m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 1 世界十大兴奋剂丑闻，美国独占其六，包括世界最大丑闻制造者美国的琼斯。看来美国
的吞服兴奋剂的广度和深度不让人佩服不行啊！
The Top 10 Running Doping Scandals of All Time
By Erin Beresini
Published May. 25, 2011
Updated May. 26, 2011 at 9:40 AM UTC
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Eddy Hellebuyck courtesy of PhotoRun.net
Justin Gatlin courtesy of PhotoRun.net
Rashid Ramzi courtesy of PhotoRun.net
Marion Jones courtesy of PhotoRun.net
1 of 4
In light of the recent news that (just about) every cyclist on the planet
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 2 你看看这圈里能有干净的人吗？
from ny times，
”Q. When and if Armstrong is stripped of his Tour titles, who are the
official winners?
A. Technically, the second-place riders would move into the top spot,
replacing Armstrong as the official winner. But you never know how A.S.O.,
the company that runs the Tour, will handle it. (Bjarne Riis admitted to
doping when he won the 1996 Tour, but it was outside the eight-year statute
of limitations. He is still listed as the 1996 Tour winner on the Tour’s
Web site.)
In 1... 阅读全帖 |
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W*******3
发帖数: 1204 | 3 【 以下文字转载自 Olympics 讨论区 】
发信人: WarCraft3 (沃山), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 看事情看本质，类似的言论只是关于Doping 吗？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Aug 10 10:47:28 2016, 美东)
这几天发现媒体也好，官方也好，运动员自己也好，扯不清楚这个事情，完全没有找到
对付的办法。
这个说难也难，如果就事论事的话，难道要翻旧账，解释当年的误服吗吗？
看事情看本质，类似的言论只是关于Doping 吗？
这个问题上就直截了当, 一阵见血，：
It was not a surprise to see such words coming up again, whenever an athlete
from China, from Asia, or from some 3rd world countries excels in so-called
private territories of certain advanced countries, there is outcry about
doping.
Howe... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 4 这么说吧， 玩TdF的基本没有不doping的， 如果不doping
也能赢， 就没人去doping了....
但大家都doping的情况下， 也算公平较量了....而且你当时
药检查不出来， 只能怪你药检太弱， 隔了一万年又出来闹，
除了吃饱撑的， 我想不出其他理由....
不管怎么样， Lance的意志力我还是非常钦佩的.... |
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m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 5 打脸！让你看看谁封琼斯为美国的国家英雄：
FROM MEDALS TO MORALITY: SPORTIVE
NATIONALISM AND THE PROBLEM OF
DOPING IN SPORTS
DIONNE L. KOLLER
I. INTRODUCTION
Marion Jones is a national hero. While she boosted the prestige of the
United States during her amazing dominance of track and field, she
contributed to it even more when she went to prison for lying about her use
of
performance-enhancing substances during that period. This is because
singling out Jones enabled the United States, unequivocally, to show moral
out... 阅读全帖 |
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W*******3
发帖数: 1204 | 6 这几天发现媒体也好，官方也好，运动员自己也好，扯不清楚这个事情，完全没有找到
对付的办法。
这个说难也难，如果就事论事的话，难道要翻旧账，解释当年的误服吗吗？
看事情看本质，类似的言论只是关于Doping 吗？
这个问题上就直截了当, 一阵见血，：
It was not a surprise to see such words coming up again, whenever an athlete
from China, from Asia, or from some 3rd world countries excels in so-called
private territories of certain advanced countries, there is outcry about
doping.
However it pretends to be about doping, let's ask, is it?
Can we all just be frank about it, it is racism!
We had it in London, and now we ha... 阅读全帖 |
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l****5
发帖数: 2968 | 7 【 以下文字转载自 Outdoors 讨论区 】
发信人: luna85 (luna85), 信区: Outdoors
标 题: Rope De Dope Rock--at Smith Rock
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 19 16:29:51 2012, 美东)
周末开了几个小时，中午到达了Smith Rock，主要是参加人家举行的AAC Craggin'
classic的活动，晚上在Depot吃饭和看新出的攀岩电影。不过主要是攀岩。
话说第二次户外，indoor的话，我这个beginner只尝试到5.7，这次户外，都只在离营
地最近的Rope de Dope Rock玩。尝试了Rope De Dope crack (5.8)，到了一半的转折
点就放弃了，完成了North Slab Crack (5.5),再搞了搞旁边的how low you can go? (
5.7),基本上我这个酱油党的攀岩周末就此结束了。
园内都是攀岩的胜地，对上一次去还走了misery trail, 看了monkey face。 |
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 8 LA doped, so did Leipheimer and Hincapie, what's new? the question is who
gets caught. Landis is dumb for being caught and shooting himself in the
foot like that.
doping or not, it's really irrelevant. as long as the return outweighs the
risk of being caught, there will always be doping.
btw, I think LA paid big bucks to have an exclusive contract with Ferrari.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Ferrari |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 9 can doping help golfer?
barry bonds attribute his physical changes (pump up //hehe) to his offseason
golf training instead of doping. wonder how would doping help golfer.
there are alot of money to make in golfing yeah. |
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b*****o
发帖数: 332 | 10 Djoker is doping too? and Nadal?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.tennis/browse_thread/t
a156876756fec/1652657b44da9d2b
Except that if he was truly allergic to gluten, we would have heard
more about it by now. IF it was so debilitating that eliminating it
from his diet resulted in a dramatic increase in his stamina,
strength, physical recovery, focus and intensity, are we to believe
that gluten was a barrier to his natural, latent superhuman
abilities? He has played 8 long three set ma... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****o
发帖数: 332 | 11 How long have you been following Tennis?
Nadal has been the #1 suspect of doping since he turned pro..
Just google Nadal doping, there are tons of information online and
debate
has been going on and on for the last almost 10 years.
The reason Djoker has been put under spotlight is because he constantly
beat to top doping suspect in his own game.. which is very fishy..
Djoker is essentially the same type of player as Nadal, defensive
baseliner who go down saving every single ball at all cost and ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*******e
发帖数: 583 | 12 http://tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=16929&
Rafael Nadal tells L’Equipe that he was upset by the French TV parody that
depicted him urinating into the gas tank of his car, which then took off at
an incredible speed, essentially alleging that the Spaniard could be doping.
"I would never accuse anyone without proof," Nadal said. "The problem in
France, and I don't know why, is that they mistrust everybody. It didn't
make me laugh, but everybody has their sense of humor. Every c... 阅读全帖 |
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h***e
发帖数: 20195 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: cashback (bing), 信区: Military
标 题: 米帝doping领先全球啊 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 31 17:09:45 2012, 美东)
发信人: jiangyoun (果果新品发布-iQuit), 信区: Olympics
标 题: 米帝doping领先全球啊
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 31 16:51:15 2012, 美东)
根据这个wiki，米帝有119起确认的doping cases，中国有7起，第二名不知道是不是德
国的35，米帝估计超第二到第N名总合吧？
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_sport |
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s*f
发帖数: 1071 | 15 说明你比较无知。文化无知，英语无知
以前共和党bob dole和 john kemp大选时海报写着名字Dole / Kemp
大学生把海报改成 Dope / Hemp
Trump写成Tramp。 Dope， Hemp and Tramp，这是文化，你不懂。 |
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j********l
发帖数: 551 | 16 I read the whole thing and believe that likely most of it, if not
all, is true. What is surprising is that I always thought Armstrong
has some really clever way of doping because he never got caught,
unlike most of his opponents, Ulrich, Basso, Hamilton, ...
From Landis' description, it is mainly just blood doping and
testosterone patches for recovery. (Armstrong's allegedly admitted
usage of EPO was probably still before Landis' time.) The thing is,
those stuff are well know and were probably q |
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O****e
发帖数: 3290 | 17 Personally, I don't like this kind of media exposure before the
investigation and would not believe any of it. It does more harm to the
sport than doping itself. Don't forget these cyclists have undergone so many
tests probably more than any other sport. Especially Lance has even more.
This means and weighs much more to me than these unfounded reports.
Well you could argue that the anti-doping method cannot keep up with drug
development. Again, this is your speculation. To me what is more import |
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p********y
发帖数: 5141 | 18 因为doping的技术永远领先于anti-doping。通常相应的检测手段的出现相对于嗑药的
手段有一个滞后性。
其实从另一个角度讲，tax payers' money也不完全是浪费了，至少从某种程度上说，
促进了科学化验手段的进步。 |
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p********y
发帖数: 5141 | 19 因为doping的技术永远领先于anti-doping。通常相应的检测手段的出现相对于嗑药的
手段有一个滞后性。
其实从另一个角度讲，tax payers' money也不完全是浪费了，至少从某种程度上说，
促进了科学化验手段的进步。 |
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j*********r
发帖数: 654 | 20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Bassons
Bassons became known during the 1998 doping Festina scandal, when the
discovery of a carload of drugs being driven to the team's riders in the
Tour de France led to evidence that doping was widespread in the team. In
September 1998, the newspaper France Soir published statements made to the
police. Two convicted riders, Armin Meier and Christophe Moreau, said that
Bassons was the only rider on the team not taking drugs. |
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d**w
发帖数: 14889 | 21 Golf reluctantly joins the world of doping policies
By DOUG FERGUSON, AP Golf Writer
September 20, 2007
PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- Golf begrudgingly joined the new world
of sport Thursday when leaders from its most influential organizations
signed off on an anti-doping policy with hopes of proving its players
are clean.
Drug testing could begin as early as next spring, although details
such as when to test and any penalties are still being worked out.
"But for the problems in other sports, |
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l****5
发帖数: 2968 | 22 周末开了几个小时，中午到达了Smith Rock，主要是参加人家举行的AAC Craggin'
classic的活动，晚上在Depot吃饭和看新出的攀岩电影。不过主要是攀岩。
话说第二次户外，indoor的话，我这个beginner只尝试到5.7，这次户外，都只在离营
地最近的Rope de Dope Rock玩。尝试了Rope De Dope crack (5.8)，到了一半的转折
点就放弃了，完成了North Slab Crack (5.5),再搞了搞旁边的how low you can go? (
5.7),基本上我这个酱油党的攀岩周末就此结束了。
园内都是攀岩的胜地，对上一次去还走了misery trail, 看了monkey face。 |
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a********g
发帖数: 4 | 23 These are the points that I got from your post:
1. Nadal is #1 doping suspect, because he plays defensive tennis and is
physically better than most players on tour.
2. Djoker keeps beating Nadal this year in a non-Federer way, so he is a
suspect now as well.
It seems like the only legit way to play tennis is the way that Roger plays,
otherwise either you have to suck or you are doping.
Have to say, even Roger has more respect to Rafa than you do. You have the
right to say whatever you want, I j... 阅读全帖 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 24 貌似不是，历史上因为doping爆出丑闻的网球选手不太多吧
星际死和光头还是吸毒，不是吃兴奋剂
所以大家大可不必太悲愤
相比之下mlb, cycling，那个几乎大家都共识了人人doping
等哪天网球也成了这种项目再悲愤不迟 |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 25 Armstrong has a vast team to help him not only with doping, but also
preventing him from getting caught.
Some of it really is untraceable thou, like re-oxygenate your blood with
your own blood sample and making sure it's always just barely under the
legal limit. This is huge advantage in a sport where endurance and cardio
is king.
It's not that big of a deal in tennis, I would say that snorting some coke
before a match does MORE to horn your reflexes and improve your reaction
during the game th... 阅读全帖 |
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N*********y
发帖数: 1 | 26 http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/8947971/czech-player-barbo
LONDON -- The International Tennis Federation says Czech player Barbora
Zahlavova-Strycova has been banned six months for doping.
The 26-year-old Strycova tested positive for the stimulant sibutramine on
Oct. 16 at the Luxembourg Open. She says the drug got into her system
through a supplement and denied taking it to enhance her performance.
The ITF says it does not dispute the claim, but still banned her for the
doping violation.
T... 阅读全帖 |
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l******r
发帖数: 3472 | 27 想做doping，如何知道doping。TEM测晶距好象是一种方法。还有别的吗？感觉测物性
不能排除表面吸附的可能。 |
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s***n
发帖数: 678 | 28 不用金属之类的杂质的情况下,suspended CVD grown graphene能dope到什么程度,什么
技术来操作? 上网查了一些资料,还是不特别确定,想想这里也许有方家. 目的是做一些
光子学相关的东西,doping太低光子可以激发电子,就都被吸收了.光子波长可以在1.5um
,没法再长了... |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 29 美国人真虚伪啊，那这CEO为啥要这个时候file charges? 再等一个月不行？
对胳膊壮，我觉得一事归一事吧，nobody is perfect, or has to be
perfect....如果那个年代骑车的都doping, 那我觉得他也doping也不是啥
大问题....大牛人一般性格张扬一点，容易得罪人也可以理解....
most
a |
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P*******n
发帖数: 1408 | 30 呵呵，美国的doping是国家行为，还是个人行为？你共呢？别不要脸了！ |
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l*****6
发帖数: 775 | 31 老将真是不要脸，满地打滚。管他什么行为，这doping可是领先全球的。 |
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z******7
发帖数: 772 | 35 这就是racism。Horton is a damn racist for sure.
No one has any problem with clean sports. But the question is why you focus
on a Chinese swimmer, an Asian athlete who is winning medals. When was the
last time anyone saw him so enthusiastic about Australians, Americans, or
Italians doping cheaters? |
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V*****n
发帖数: 893 | 36 the man is a better rider and a better doper. what not to love? to me,
selling out a friend is a lot worse than systematic doping. |
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 37 hoho, this story is on the front page of WSJ today :)
sex (strippers), drugs (cocaine), & rock'n roll (Sheryl Crow), winner sure takes all.
and LA strikes back this morning:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703881504575344550619265416.html?KEYWORDS=doping
Armstrong Addresses Latest Landis Allegations
By JOHN W. MILLER
ROTTERDAM, Netherlands — Lance Armstrong struck back at the latest allegations of former cycling teammate Floyd Landis that Mr. Armstrong and other members of the U.S |
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 38 Looks simple enough, just need a clean needle and a refrigerator :)
Click image to see high-resolution instructions of how to dope like a pro, courtesy of the Wall Street Journal. |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 39 【 以下文字转载自 Tri 讨论区 】
发信人: ironman2015 (1/2 ironman), 信区: Tri
标 题: Breaking News: Lance Armstrong faces fresh doping charges from USADA
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 13 16:49:25 2012, 美东)
Lance Armstrong of the U.S. runs during the Ironman Panama 70.3 triathlon in
February; he is banned from triathlon competition until USADA’s newest
allegations are resolved.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lance-armstrong-faces-fresh-dopin |
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t****u
发帖数: 10218 | 40 I mean, Lance and doping scandal, they go hand in hand like brothers. They
should call it breaking news when lance is found completely clean and
innocent. |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 41 Apart from being a champion cyclist and triathlete, 这是我喜欢他的真正原因。
Note from CEO Doug Ulman on USADA Action
Jun 13, 2012 by Doug Ulman
We learned today that the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency has leveled charges
against Lance Armstrong that he violated its rules throughout his career,
based on the testimony of anonymous accusers.
Regardless of anything anyone says, Lance Armstrong has been one of the most
tireless and effective cancer advocates in the world. His legacy as a
cancer advocate and fundraiser... 阅读全帖 |
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p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 42 USADA这么作，其实另一个躺着也中枪的是TDF和UCI本身。lance amstrong那个时代，
哪个没有doping过。lance就算是被stripped title, 想找个人來接这个title都找不到
。TDF干脆把90到2007年的所有title 都stripped掉算了，这样大家都消停了。 |
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p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 43 "the US anti-doping agency doesn’t actually have the power to strip him of
his 7 titles. It’s down to the Tour de France officials and the
International cycling union, so for now at least he’s still the all-time
TDF champion." |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 44 TdF干脆改下规则， 允许大家自由doping, 就没事了..... |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 45 USADA is a government agency? fuck. I don't give a fuck that the athletes
dope. it's their life and it's their own choices. |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 48 led the rope de dope crack before
and been on the top of monkey face twice throuth different routes
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b*****o
发帖数: 332 | 50 第一次发帖，这个问题比较敏感，不知道斑竹对讨论下这个是个什么态度？
Does tennis have a doping problem?
any comments?
比较下，Sam Stosur和Marion Jones？
"She kind of has, like, almost the game of a man. That's what it feels
like."
-Jelena Jankovic describing Samantha Stosur's masculine approach to the
game of tennis. |
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