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m******n
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raywang (Ar QQQ ) 于 (Thu Feb 5 13:29:06 2009) 提到:
Who can explain what is WSJ's logic?
To me, the gov's logic is simple: punish the failures. If BAC/C will die
without the bailout money, which means BAC/C stock can go to nil. The bank
can reject the bailout money, cann't they?
So, bail out is going to help bank. Isn't it true? For CEO's of the bank,
they just pick the wrong company to work. Find a new one if does not like
the 0.5M cap.
From creader
k*****y
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Benbencong (congcong) 于 (Sat Dec 6 09:03:49 2008) 提到:
来美国一段时间了, 发现不单在这个版上, 周围大多数朋友提起工会都是一副蔑视的态
度. 这些人中的大多数, 包括我自己, 其实也不在管理层, 都是相对弱势的群体. 有如
下观点:
1. 工会本身远非完美, 甚至贪婪,但肯定不如资本那样贪婪,而且它代表了一种理
想主义的社会结构. 这些年来, 外资, 移民(包括我们)的涌入, 这种模式越来越脆弱,
也许除了在一些垄断行业.
2. 没有工会公司肯定运转更高效, 但金字塔下层的人的压力也会越重. 难道只有更
大的经济利益才是唯一目标吗? 你可以说没有那样的高效, 公司就无法生存. 这是一个
残酷的现实. 可存在不等于合理. 国内很多打工的人劳工条件很差, 那就合理吗?现在
的问题是在资本的鼓噪下要把美好的东西变丑, 而不是反过来.
3. 有很多人拿BAILOUT PLAN说事, 说用了自己纳税的钱. 第一, BAILOUT PL
p*******s
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You are being ridiculously stubborn.
The government HAD to bail out those shaky banks and companies, while
Buffett simply benefited from it through his investment. What is he supposed
to do, the profit comes from taxpayers, I refuse to accept it??
Aren't we all benefiting from the bailout and therefore a complete financial
meltdown? Many get to keep their jobs etc because of it. Are they all
supposed to say, I don't want this job because my job comes from the bailout
package?
Buffett is just one
a********l
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发信人: apolitical (pujols5), 信区: Military
标 题: TARP内幕:衙门里有人,得联邦政府资助。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 22 02:23:52 2009, 美东)
来看看美国的官僚资本主义。中国还要多学学啊。
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091221/bs_nm/us_banks_study
Banks with political ties got bailouts, study shows
NEW YORK (Reuters) – U.S. banks that spent more money on lobbying were
more likely to get government bailout money, according to a study
released on Monday.
Banks whose executives served on Federal Reserve boards were more likely
l****z
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2010/57_have_more_trust_in_those_in_congress_who_voted_against_bailouts
57% Have More Trust In Those In Congress Who Voted Against Bailouts
Sunday, April 18, 2010
Government bailouts are still a sore subject with most voters. But the
Political class remains supportive of efforts to have taxpayers bail out
troubled and failing companies.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 57% of likely U
.S. v
l****z
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http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/11/senate-backs-one-time-audit-of-feds-bailout-role/
Senate Backs One-Time Audit of Fed’s Bailout Role
May 11, 2010, 2:09 pm
The Senate on Tuesday voted unanimously to require a one-time audit of the
Federal Reserve’s emergency actions during and after the 2008 financial
crisis as part of broad legislation overhauling the nation’s financial
regulatory system, The New York Times’s David M. Herszenhorn reports from
Washington.
The amendment, proposed by
l****z
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内华达州的赌博业一边倒的支持民主党参议员候选人Harry Reid,他目前受到共和党保
守派对手
Sharron Angle的有力挑战
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303443904575578193468161902.ht
ml?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5
Powerful Casino Industry Bets Heavily on Reid Again
LAS VEGAS—If Republican Sharron Angle unseats Nevada Sen. Harry Reid on Nov
.
2, it would be a defeat not just for the Democratic Party but also for the
gambling industry, which has historically helped turn elections in this
state.
The industry is so dominant here—accounting fo... 阅读全帖
l****z
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西班牙地方选举,执政的社会党大败,超过90%地区计票结果,反对党人民党领先10%
Zapatero’s Socialists Routed as People’s Party Takes 38% of Vote in Spain
By Emma Ross-Thomas - May 22, 2011 5:04 PM ET
Spain’s Socialists suffered their worst electoral defeat in more than 30
years as voters punished Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero’s
party for soaring unemployment and spending cuts that aimed to shield the
country from Europe’s debt crisis.
With 91 percent of votes counted, the opposition People’s Party won 38
percent of the ... 阅读全帖
y*****1
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冤有头,债有主。
你说这跟次级房贷有啥两样。
次级房贷,政府两房guarantee,买了房子的ideats欠了一屁股债。到时候没工作还不起
,纳税人bailout.
共产教育,政府student loan guarantee,上了学的ideats欠了一屁股债。到时候毕业
没工作还不起,也要纳税人 bailout.
一群youthful ideats在民主diang的plantation里面给蹂躏的死去活来。到头来居然连
X他们的主都搞不清楚!
l****z
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The End of the Euro?
by Bruce Thornton (Research Fellow and W. Glenn Campbell and Rita Ricardo-
Campbell National Fellow, 2009–10, 2010–11)
Good riddance to a bad idea.
The champions of the European Union once touted it as a “bold new
experiment in living” and “the best hope in an insecure age.” But these
days “fear is coursing through the corridors of Brussels,” as the B.B.C.
reported in September. Such fear is justified, for the nations of Europe are
struggling with fiscal problems that challe... 阅读全帖
l****z
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Headed for the Rocks in European Waters
By Daniel Hanson Tuesday, December 27, 2011
Filed under: World Watch, Culture, Economic Policy
A united Europe is impossible given cultural and economic mismatches.
The eurozone is going to split, whether through economics or politics.
Having had time to digest the latest round of euro rescue efforts, markets
do not seem to be terribly optimistic. The euro is down, equities markets
remain unsettled, and, after a brief reprieve, sovereign bond yields in
tro... 阅读全帖
S*********n
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来自主题: USANews版 - 有人了解Super Pac吗?
Profit? From whose money? That's investors' money, son.
For a public-traded company, it already stepped out of private domain. If
you invest in your 401k, you probably own a shit of that company. And they
play with your money, risk your money, for their own benefit. They bear no
responsibility at all, my son. That's the reality.
Profit? Are you retard or something? Tell me that Goldman Sachs CEO changed
his private jet to public transit after he received bailout funds. And tell
me that GM abando... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - 62%德国人反对进一步救助希腊
BERLIN (Reuters) - Germans overwhelmingly oppose further aid for Greece,
according to opinion poll released on Sunday, one day ahead of a vote in
parliament on a new Greek bailout package where Chancellor Angela Merkel may
be forced to rely on opposition support.
The poll by the Emnid Institute in Bild am Sonntag newspaper found 62
percent oppose a new 130 billion ($175 billion) rescue package while 33
percent are in favor. A similar Emnid poll in September found 53 percent
opposed and 43 percen... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Pressure for Spanish Bank Rescue Grows
Pressure for a European Union plan to recapitalize Spanish banks intensified
Thursday after the Fitch Ratings agency lowered its investment-grade rating
on Spain by three notches, saying European policy missteps have aggravated
the country's economic and financial challenges.
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said his government would wait for the
completion of assessments of the country's banking sector before disclosing
an estimate of potential capital needs.
Meantime, key European leaders ... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - French, Greek Unemployment Rise
By WILLIAM HOROBIN, NEKTARIA STAMOULI and ALEX BRITTAIN
The highest jobless rate in France in a decade and a record unemployment
rate in Greece underscored the real economic impact the debt crisis is
having on Europe's big and small economies alike.
The unemployment rate in France rose to 9.6% in the three months through
March, the highest rate since 1999 and up from 9.3% in the final quarter of
last year, national statistics agency Insee said Thursday.
France, the euro zone's second-largest eco... 阅读全帖
P*********0
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According to the Wisconsin Republican Liberty Caucus, the Wisconsin
congressman actually voted with the Bush Administration’s agenda of
unprecedented federal expansion 94% of the time, and it may surprise his
fiscally conservative fans to know that Paul Ryan’s voting record includes
votes for the TARP bailouts, the auto bailouts, the massive Bush Medicare
expansion, the unprecedented federal intrusion into public education via No
Child Left Behind, the 2008 stimulus package, and the $192B 2009 s... 阅读全帖
r***l
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来自主题: USANews版 - 我唐一下我的观点
”奥巴马有说不动三巨头么?“ 这个"说"用的太形象了。O8就是"说"的太多了太漂亮
,但没行动。上台4年了,民主党给congress起草过任何动三巨头的法案吗? O8在去年
ryan提出计划后,也提了个自己的计划,但除了口号式的数字,没有任何实质内容, 自
那之后就没有下文了。如果真打算动三巨头,哪怕不动三巨头只是加税来削减赤字,自
己领导民主党提个bill给共和党,民主党一个方案,共和党一个方案,双方才有起点开
始谈。可惜民主党4年有提budget bill吗? 民主党对这个烫手山药,无论加税还是减
三巨头都不可避免的要得罪一部分选民,他们根本不碰,抓着ryan打让他们连任就行了。
O8当然要说健保里面有利的地方,他的计划里面总要有些措施,否则也太废物了。但实
际上健保没有触及健保费用高额的几个根本原因,1. 允许医疗保险夸州买, 2. 限制医
疗诉讼以控制高额的医生/护士职业保险 3. 限制保险公司的抽头
O8的全民健保起码目前是提高了保费,保险公司大赚特赚,保险公司在全民健保还在酝
酿时候股票都持续下跌,因为市场怕O8的计划搞残保险公司,计划出来后,大家一看原
来对保险公司更有利... 阅读全帖
d*****s
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来自主题: USANews版 - 美国福利 --亲身经历
2)我前面已经说,纽约州和市差别很大,你不要故意把“市”砍掉。
3)谁说联邦政府一定bailout州了?如果看bailout,花在wall street的比在其他上面
大多了,你倒好意思,拿个芝麻,不敢和西瓜讲话。
4)你交纽约州税,还是市税,不要混淆概念。我特恨有人说话故意漏关键字,把大家
当傻子。你如果不住纽约市,你不用交市税。你老实说,你住不住纽约市。
l****z
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by Rick aka Mr. Brutally Honest
Ok... the first quote is accurate, the second is my taking artistic license
with what the CBO actually said... sue me:
President Barack Obama said on Thursday that “we got back every dime we
used to rescue the financial system."
According to the Congressional Budget Office, however, the government
will lose about $24 billion on the bailout.
“We got back every dime we used to rescue the financial system, but we
also passed a historic law to end taxpayer... 阅读全帖
c***e
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来自主题: USANews版 - 为什么我支持Medicare Voucher Plan
Fiscal conservative 都反对政府bailout, Paul Ryan也一样,但是如果本州(WI
)需要bailout, 他并不会因为自己是Fiscal conservative就不向政府要钱,行为与
理念相反的多去了
g***y
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来自主题: USANews版 - 关于福利懒人和AA
不管什么政府,永远都不会站在穷人一边。就算“社会主义大锅饭”,大家也就比饿死
多一口饭而已。毛时代的贫富差距最大,因为绝大多数都是穷人,都一无所有,虽然他
的口号也是穷人当家做主。
富人,公司,不可怕。可怕的是富人,公司和政府勾结。通过政府暴力掠夺其他阶层。
穷人只是被拿出来当枪使。
政府拿纳税人的钱,bailout wall street, bailout GM,可以免于破产。大学生借了
student loan,不让破产,必须得还一辈子债。政府到底是站在富人一边,还是穷人一
边?
DEM投入教育。公立大学严重膨胀,雇的小秘人数快赶上教授的人数了。这些年公立大
学学费涨的比私立还快。
30年钱,靠暑期打工就可以把大学读完。现在呢?读完大学,party 四年,drink四年
下来,欠一屁股债。
再看看公立中学,就是无底洞。
DEM用纳税人的钱填公办中学,以学生为人质,行贿教师工会,进行买票。
DEM用纳税人的钱填公立大学,收买知识分子,把他们变成依附在纳税人身上的吸血鬼
。然后通过他们来麻痹大学生。

funding
g***y
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来自主题: USANews版 - Obama当选也许不是一件坏事
如果你喜欢Obama,请忽略以下。这个帖子是写给讨厌Obama的人。
Obama当选也许不是一件坏事的理由是Obama落选也许危害更大。
最直接的危害是在某些地区的可能的riot。
间接一点的是所有人欠黑人一任总统。所有人还没有赎罪完全,以后每次DEM都必须优
先考虑黑人Candidate。
Obama太年轻了,如果现在就下台,他会是DEM党内下面20年的major power player。
近些年一任的总统有Jimmy Carter和H. W. Bush。为什么他们没有兴风作浪?因为击败
他们的Reagan和Clinton都非常成功,所以他们都成为Loser。
但是以现在的烂摊子来看,Romney象Reagan和Clinton那么成功的可能性不大。一旦
Romney失败,Obama就不是loser,而是Martyr。这样DEM被极左绑架的机会就更大。
大家请想象如果2004 Bush下台,那么2008和现在的GOP front runner会是谁? 我猜是
Huckabee, Palin, Gingrich, Santorum这些极右分子。同样,大家可以想象反过来DEM
的情况。
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C****n
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来自主题: USANews版 - 学生loan的bail out果然来了
这个BAILOUT肯定是不行的。
妈的, 国家整天BAILOUT, 不是变相鼓励IRRESPONSIBLE吗。实在看不下去了。
更可恨的是让负责任的人为不负责任的人买单。
c****n
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别以为Paulson玩的是阴谋,他bailout AIG放到台面上无可挑剔
这个级别的聪明人,玩的都是阳谋
Buffet也是阳谋,明着搞你,你还得撅起菊花顺着他
bailout就是明着给GS他们血又怎么了
如果只给500亿(实际上远没有这么多,清偿顺序GS他们太靠后了),
犹太佬们转身走人,高盛等往地上一躺,美国GDP接近一半蒸发
社会秩序立马崩溃,全体老黑开始打砸抢
你以为too big to fail是纯粹吓唬人的?
人家做的局,都是高智商,没那么简单骗的。
说句政治不正确的,二战的时候,希特勒上台杀犹太人,也是逼得没办法了
国家经济全部被绑架了,绑架了以后犹太人就按利益最大化原则来吸血
这tmd哪个社会受得了
g***y
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关键是不是强制bailout. 如果强制,就可以sue政府。
要是象GM,是求政府bailout,就不行吧。
d*********2
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所以, 别被米犹嘘声恫吓给吓趴了.
这个物质世界, 只要物质基础还在, 各种泡沫破了, 就破了.
破坏力再大, 赶得上二战吗? 要恢复几年就恢复了, 而且还创造一个新荣景.
bailout bail的是债券资产持有者. 他们破产了清算了, 物质资料照样还是要转卖, 这
反而是一个社会流动的机会.
就和美国房市一样, 真的会崩溃嘛? FL可能会, CA/NY有刚需的地方, 刚把泡沫的水分
挤差不多的, 就无数投资客冲进来了, 连王石都要来美国搞出租房市场.
所谓bailout擦了有钱人的PG, 断了你我潜在的精明新贵的机会.
不把taxpayers吓的半死, 怎么划拉钱.
g***y
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银行不是政府。Cyprus政府和德国人也没关系。
就是搬到美国,银行倒闭,政府也不应该bailout, 加州政府倒闭,联邦政府也不应该
bailout.
e****l
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现在川普党内初选形式如日中天,但是和党内部一直不喜欢这个批着右党外套的自由派
。所以民主党可操作的空间很大。一旦民主党的民调显示其可能威胁到希拉里,还有不
少胜负手可玩。比如,拉进来正宗右派或者跟右派有相近理念的libertarian,作为独
立参选人加入选战,以稀释川普的选票。下面这几个候选:
1. 罗姆尼
2. 卢比奥
3. 布隆伯格
前两人中的一个进来,很有可能票的分布是这样的:右-->罗姆尼/卢比奥,中右+少数
中左-->川普,左+多数中左-->希老太。
如果布隆伯格进来,选票分布可能是这样的:右-->川普,中右+少数中左-->布隆伯格
,左+多数中左-->希老太。
比较美国和台湾的选民,左派和绿营其实很像,基本上是铁板一块。无论民主党(民进
党)谁胜出,左派(绿营)一定是投他们。而且还有一点更相似的,就是随着时间的推
进,左派(绿营)的基本盘都是在扩张之中的。台湾的经济依赖大陆的程度深吧?台湾
最近十几年来的经济发展可能还不如美国。但是没关系,绿/左就是不断扩大版图,因
为一来大家的日子还过得下去,二来人民的目光更集中在贫富差距的日渐悬殊化。谁更
代表大资本家,谁一定会被讨伐... 阅读全帖
g********2
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If Black Lives Matter, then why have entrenched members of the Congressional
Black Caucus spent more time enriching themselves than taking care of their
neglected constituents?
Too many social justice protesters are busy throwing shade, rocks, bottles,
concrete blocks and vicious death threats at police officers of all colors
trying to keep the peace.
Instead of moaning about "#WhitePrivilege," I invite radical racial identity
warriors to join me in taking on the black political elites selling o... 阅读全帖
f****l
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半年不能发奖金,银行忍不住了.开始拼命还了钱,好回到以前的好日子.你们说,要是没有薪金封顶的限制,银行会不会这么积极主动地还钱给政府呢?而且好像这钱没有利息吧.
10 big banks get OK to repay $68B in bailout money
WASHINGTON – The Treasury Department has approved 10 of the nation's
largest banks to repay $68 billion in government bailout money.
The department on Tuesday said the banks, which were not named, will be
allowed to repay the money they received from the $700 billion Troubled
Asset Relief Program created by Congress last October at the height of the
financial crisis
s********n
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发信人: smokinggun (硝烟), 信区: Military
标 题: 中国房地产崩溃只有一种结局
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Dec 12 07:18:47 2009, 美东)
中国房地产崩溃只有一种结局
银行巨额坏账,导致银行体系崩溃, 国家不得不用纳税人的钱拯救银行业。其结果是
在房市飞涨期间, 银行家和地产投机商都大赚其钱, 但是代价是虚高的房价, 无人
接手后, 房市下跌一泻千里, 此时, 银行贷款收不回, 纷纷宣告资不抵债和破产,
但是国家因为银行体系too big to fail, 只有用纳税人的钱来bailout中国银行体系
。 总体上来说, 基本上是复制美国次贷危机, 最后银行高管们再在中国庞大的银行
体系bailout计划中大赚一笔。
银行垮掉后,必然更进一步打击中国实体行业, 导致失业率高涨, 物价飞涨, 大中
型国有企业因为先前投入大量资金在房市投机, 现在资金周转不灵, 纷纷宣布破产倒
闭。 此时, 由于外企早就在中国房市投机中洞获先机, 赚足了钱, 此时正好对中国
大中型国企逢低收购。
a********l
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: apolitical (pujols5), 信区: Military
标 题: TARP内幕:衙门里有人,得联邦政府资助。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 22 02:23:52 2009, 美东)
来看看美国的官僚资本主义。中国还要多学学啊。
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091221/bs_nm/us_banks_study
Banks with political ties got bailouts, study shows
NEW YORK (Reuters) – U.S. banks that spent more money on lobbying were
more likely to get government bailout money, according to a study
released on Monday.
Banks whose executives served on Federal Reserve boards were more likely
l**t
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You are assuming the government deficit can never be reduced.
这几年的很多花销,各种bailout和stimulus,都是临时的。Bailout的钱甚至还能收回
很大一部分。
美国的税负还是很低的。不说别的,只要收5%的VAT,一年之内啥赤字都没了。
美国崩溃论和中国崩溃论一样,都是一群末日论者白日做梦。
K****D
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来自主题: Investment版 - [合集] 近期市场走势浅见。- repost
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armor (我爱宝贝纯纯) 于 (Mon Sep 29 20:53:53 2008) 提到:
cannot read the original one, so repost here.
Bailout法案未通过,只是今天一跌的借口而已。聪明钱在上周就已陆续从高风险板块
撤退。我猜测根本原因是上周的经济数据相当糟糕。上周四五,蓝筹股表现稳定,而科
技能源类股疲软,一方面显示花街对经济缺乏信心的表现,另一方面造成一种这些经济
数据无关痛痒的假象。但别忘了,股市从根本上来说是经济的晴雨表。
信用市场已彻底歇息。这对宏观经济的影响将会逐渐显露出来。随着新一拨经济数据和
公司季报的出台,股市将对宏观经济的基本面作出反应。能源类股票最近走弱就是先兆
。花街大肆炒作bailout只不过是用来掩护其稳定出货的烟幕而已。
随着今天这一跌,市场离中期底也更近了一步。但中期底具体在哪里,只有天知道了。
保守的估计,道指至少要去一趟10000。但市场离大底恐怕还有很长一段路要走,因为
房价还远未到底。
纯属臆测。以上言
m******t
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来自主题: Investment版 - Greek bond yields
I wouldn't buy greece for 50 cents on the dollar now.
I don't know how they can avoid defaulting soon. If the bailout
package becomes super senior, all other bond investors are screwed;
if not, other EU countries aren't going to approve the bailout.
r**********g
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别笑,还真是真是美国国有银行。Ally是原来的GMAC
GM被bailout的时候,GMAC也一起被Bailout了。现在Ally80%的股份是美国政府……
实实在在的就是美国国有银行……
h******g
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如果马上用得上房子,我觉得还是该买,如果有投资性质,我觉得再等等。美国的房产
,我觉得能常驻,也可以考虑卖,但是不能用现金。板上有人讲过全款买美国房子,我
觉得不明智。贷款有退税的好处,还有贷款风险小一些,如果房子跌价跌得厉害,还能
walk out, 美国政府不是bailout bank 了吗,还要bailout homeowner.
b*d
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=1&hp
Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
Article Tools Sponsored By
By MITT ROMNEY
Published: November 18, 2008
IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief
executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive
industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually
guaranteed.
Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself.
With it, the automakers will stay the cou
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这几天时间比较乱,也没时间盯盘,昨天早早休息,但之前我的感觉是这样:
3个主要板块:金融,高科技,油和商品。
金融每次都是主要的bailout后强烈反弹,然后又回跌。我个人感觉这次C的bailout的
药力
也差不多了。
高科技一直都不怎么好,这个没有政府帮忙,那还是看 earnings, 可是能好吗?
AAPL,
RIMM, GOOG 都是靠消费者的,很难想

高科技公司能带领大盘前进。
油和商品。这个是最有可能反弹的,但也是技术反弹而已。油是超跌反弹,会不会是短命
反弹?
总之,SPX大盘要反弹到950,1000 一定要有 leadership. But who is the
leadership?
I
dont see one.
不过,市场总是跟人作对的,要找到理由继续拉高也不难,那我们就 free ride 好了

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大盘是跌了,解释却不一样。牛牛们说是正常的,健康的
w*******o
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如果不是担心CIT,你认为今天大跌
的原因是什么? 不要告诉我是a)数据差,b)Profit taking
甚至 c)给中国阅兵吓着了,这些理由一个比一个不靠铺
CIT因为很多人没听过,所以都小看了,至于CIT
有多重要,看看前两天的WSJ文章就知道了,
如果真破产了, 历史上第5大破产案, Only after
GM,LEH,WANU in this crisis,and WorldCom in last round.
关于"有消息说大银行游说美国政府不要bailout CIT
- 不要把bailout的门槛降低..."这些都是表像
我记得以前我在股版放了个马前炮(也就是上次说到要破产的时候),
说CIT没戏了,Debt这么多, 其它公司自己都元气大伤,
估计只有政府才能救.但政府估计是不会救了,因为CIT倒了,
最大的收益是GE financial(There is a Link on this analysis)
弃车保帅,政府还是很容易做出选择的
//这算不算野鸡FA? kaka
LINK: WSJ article
n******n
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worst case is no bailout b/c too late.

情况太糟.好的结果是境况没那么糟,根本不需要bailout.
n******n
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那个是bailout法案效应吧。空头也怕周末鸡叫。
大跌是随着法案通过失败来的。
第二次bailout投票更狠,一边唱票一边跌。通过后跌的更猛。

的时
o*****o
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来自主题: Stock版 - 敢死队in AIB
Allied Irish Banks (AIB) NewsBite - AIB Falls on Bailout Announcement
Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:54 PM EDT
Allied Irish Banks (NYSE: AIB) opened at $3.27. So far today, the stock has
hit a low of $3.24 and a high of $3.87. AIB is now trading at $3.55, down $0
.03 (-0.84%). Over the last 52 weeks the stock has ranged from a low of $1.
42 to a high of $10.42. AIB shares are falling after the Irish Government
announcing a bailout of the bank, under which the government will purchase 3
.29 bi
w****o
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来自主题: Stock版 - AIG和2F涨的原因
Bailouts Not As Expensive As First Thought (FRE, FNM, AIG, C)
http://www.benzinga.com/media/wall-street-journal/218984/bailouts-not-as-expensive-as-first-thought-fre-fnm-aig-c
E*********r
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最近美股涨跌振幅巨大,让人看得有些赫佬佬。但至少有一点是肯定的,现在的
Pattern和前两个月是不同的,不再是一根筋地上涨,这种巨大的振幅背面我感觉是大
跌的前兆。今天的大涨虽然是因为欧洲推出的Bailout而推动的,但是明眼人都知道,
其实究其原因还是对于上周大跌的一个小幅修正,而且符合目前大幅震荡的格局。 接
下去的话,我猜测会慢慢地下跌,然后第二次探底,或许会到9000点左右。这当中有不
少事件值得关注,第一是利率的问题,FED如果一旦改变措辞的话,股市至少会做出一
些负面的回应。虽然有人认为利率上升是对经济形势的肯定,但是就象Thomas Hoenig
说的,现在的低利率其实是在鼓励许多人进行投机,而在投资市场形成泡沫,这个从15
个月来许多人一边倒地押注股市可以看出。为了避免这种投机行为,在适当时候就应该
尽快升息。 第二,金融监管马上就要进行,无论是大家相信政府真的想为难花街还是
假的,至少这些监管措施对于大型金融机构是个利空的消息。 最赚钱的都是些高风险
的投资项目, 这些不能做了,还怎么赚大钱?第三,政府的赤字问题,这可能是目前
美国面临最大的问题,Bailout的钱
C******e
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美国银行持有的这些国家的债务没多少,主要债主是德,法的银行们,所以所谓
BAILOUT首先是BAILOUT那些银行们。
Y****r
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I am not sayin he is smart or stupid, I am sayin he is acting like the fed
chairman -- like to give bailouts
a lot of small frogs are stupid and bet on the market up, if they lose
their shirt they probably won't hanging around this board, so give them a
bailout would at least keep them here for a while
whether this is moral obviously is not a concern
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目前的情况是,前一轮上涨行情都是在搭QE2的顺风车。但现在QE2相关的Trade在退潮。
天朝通涨表面化,政策将倾向紧缩。各国对QE2输出通涨表示不满。美国国债利率早已
上扬,
美元也走出谷底,美国经济数据短期走强,欧州主权违约问题回到前台,欧元也已下跌
不少。
股市和商品市场相对滞后,一般情况是要跟进下跌的。周五欧元有些反弹,是有消息说
爱尔兰可能接受EU/IMF的Bailout,有些靴子落地的意思。但经过2008年的这些Bailout
之后,大家想来也清楚这些大多是情况越来越坏还是越来越好的迹象了吧
l*****n
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TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) — After weeks of insisting that it needed no bailout
, Ireland conceded Sunday that it will need a financial rescue package from
the European Union and International Monetary Fund, according to media
reports.
Ireland’s finance minister, Brian Lenihan, declined to specify a figure
except to say that it would be less than 100 billion euros ($136.7 billion),
the reports say.
The Sunday Times of London had reported earlier that Ireland would seek a
package valued at as much as... 阅读全帖
b******u
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来自主题: Stock版 - ire 要到0.66
ire无论接不接受bailout最终都很惨。IMF就是mother fucker的son of beach。ire不
接受bailout比接受要好过。看看98金融危机的韩国吧。fuck banker, IMF.
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