c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 1 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 最近3万手 10bb/100在NL50以上都是当前级别顶尖的grinder了（再好的都升级了） |
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z****n
发帖数: 1514 | 2 你们平时说的10BB/100hands包括rake rebate吗？ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 nothing significant over all, 3-5bb/100 hand for NL25. can't compare with
fryking's 10bb/100 hand. still a lot of things to improve upon. But i can
claim that i can win consistently at this level. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 lots of fish in NL 25 rush. beating the game is fairly easy with around 3bb-5bb/100
hand. but to consistently beating it with 10bb/100 hand with volumes 很牛,
真很牛... 我还做不到... |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 5 pretty much you have to explore player's tendencies to get 10bb/100 hands
fryking's notes is the key |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 yes and no.
yes, notes help you a lot in marginal situations, or give you more
confidence in getting thin value.
no, i believe the best way to push your 5BB to 10BB is to avoid that 1
unnecessary stack loss in a session. this is totally doable in such micro
stakes.
for example, you play 1K hands a day, so 100BB or one full buy-in $25 should
be your goal in 25NL. if you make a single avoidable mistake, your total bb
/100 would suck big. yes, in the end, you may win here and there, and still
make |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 7 I switched to PLO as my main game since early this year. have played so far
80k hands, mostly PLO25, some PLO10 and some PLO50, most of them RUSH, with
a winrate >5bb/100. first 40k hands I maintained >10bb/100, while the last
40khands break even.
largest downswing was like 10BI in 1k hand, or 20Bi in 5k hand. it's very
common (once or twice in a week) to run 3-5 BI below EV.
PLO is a high winrate high variance, high rake game. PLO25 is essentially
NL50 in terms of $/hour, std dev in $/hr, and |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 8 What if there is 3BB and then 3X re-raise (10BB) ahead of you (you have 70BB,
RUSH 25, it is 17$), do you call? Or a limper and then a 6BB raiser?
I fold (small pair,77-) most of time.
medium |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 you guys win big stacks like elephants, i eat like birds, lol, cash out
small amounts to keep my "profits" like chicken. 10bb is only a temp legend,
let's wait and see when year end report comes out. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 fryking's 10bb/100 hand is GOD. i will chase that for my whole life and
might still not get there.. 惭愧。。。
小声问一下fryking 大侠。 What is your secret??? |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 11 What is 100BB? You move up?
I play 60 hands RUSH 25 and get 18BB. So I bet FryKing this time after I lot
many times. haha.
Serious, not much sugar there anymore at RUSH 25. SO 10BB/100hands stands
out much
more.
powder
without |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 12 rake at 50nl hu is about 10bb/100, judge for yourself if you can beat it,
lower stake would have even bigger rake%. Best player (very very best
player, I mean durrrr caliber player, although against very bad player,
someone like me could probably win just as effective as durrrr would be) can
beat very bad opponent for maybe 50bb/100 without considering rake. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 13 fcf 大牛人，where do you start heads up cash game?
It seems there is no good place to practice heads up cash game. Lacking of
experience and 10bb/100 rake make it really expensive to learn the game. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 Microstake cash game all have heavy rakes. it is true for FR too. Playing
NL 25. Everyweek we got rackback 40$ at least. 22% rack back, so we got raked 181$
every week. that is at least 3bb/100 hand. Of course you get to fold a lot
of hands, if your vpip is 16 8, so you in fact only play 1/8th of the hands.
HU, you are playing almost every hand or at least 50% of the hands? so if
you think about it, 10bb/100hand is really not too much worse than FR..
can |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 hehe, i didn't post the losing ones...
again, if we can avoid one big mistake of a stack in each sesssion, our
stats will look much better. for example, i buy-in 60BB, one mistake could
easily cost me 600 hands (10bb/100 is high) or 1200 hands (5bb/100 is very
good already) to just come back. how many hands can we play in a day? even
rush poker. |
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 16 主要人物：卷毛（80bb），秃头（800bb，坐卷毛下手），我（170bb，做秃头下手）
crazy hand 1：
卷毛（40bb左右）preflop raise到10bb，秃头（坐在dealer）call。
heads-up flop：29K（有diamond flush draw),卷毛bet all in，秃头 call！
final board：29K310（3张diamond）。卷毛痛苦的亮出AKo，秃头亮出23（suited 草花
）！卷毛郁闷的re-buy！
crazy hand 2：
一个early limper（30bb left），卷毛在middle position，raise到5bb，秃头call，
early limper也call了
flop：256，rainbow，limper check，卷毛 bet 16bb，秃头直接 raise到了80bb，ear
ly limper call，卷毛tank了一会儿，也call了！
最后的board：2569k，rainbow，early limper亮了9Ko（！！！),秃头亮了A7s,卷毛亮
了44（兴奋）. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 now this is a better graph.. less is more.. play less, play better.. hoho.
. back to 10bb/100h |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 离fryking 10bb/100 还差一点点..
500hand today.. 看球去了... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 10bb/100 at 50NL? no, i'm not there yet, lol.
new record for rakeback this week, $125, would i make $5K/year from it? |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 20 what's your bb/100 for NL50? windstormm
Probably you can already move to NL 100 with your winning record, the game
maybe slightly harder. But the profit probably gets 1.5 times than u
currently get in NL50.
btw, do we need to pay tax for the profit. Without tax, it's pretty decent
hourly rate for 5bb-10bb/100 in NL50. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 21 yost 最近打得怎么样？
我怎么也弄不到 10bb/100. 不管在NL25, or NL50 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 as short stackers, they have to push AJ+/TT+, they can't afford calling your
3-bet (must be 10BB+ already) or folding too often, given they only got
30BB or so left.
all in by AQ numerous times AJ once, JJ and 1010 couple times.... but they
can almost break even against me even though they have worse hand in
general.. what a ftp miracle. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 Sounds to me, you do not play a lot of tournies.
My tournies run poorly also.
Rush poker does not serve me well. get -34BB/100 on 25NL. -10BB/100 on 50NL.
Play a lot of Cash HU NL, I am a winner on that.
Play some HU SNG, I am a winner also.
Will switch to MTT next month.
to switch to grinding (such as RUSH). |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 24 Say you have 40BB at CO and BTN has 10BB (9-handed, avg chip 20BB).
You raise 2.5BB w/ K8s at CO and BTN allin (or 3x), SB/BB fold.
The standard action is call.
The other way, you are at BB(40BB) w/ K8s and BTN (Short stack with 8BB)
raise 2.4BB. The stardard action is allin.
towards |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 25 hehe, tough one. BB goes to 1.2K and each has around 10BBs. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 long time, no see, hehe.
why feel bad? i guess you played about 1000 hands (both 100NL and 50NL),
right? $158 profit is like 158BB in 100NL or 316BB in 50NL, or let's say
about 200BB if "merged". dude, it's 20BB/100 hands, a GREAT record!!! even
if you played 2000 hands, still 10BB/100 hands, even the best small stake
player online in 2009 just made about this rate.
when you ran $175 to $730 in a single session, did you realize that you're
way way way way on the positive side of variance at all? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 其实俺非常理解，这也是俺现在很少玩live的原因之一。
有家有口的，去玩一天，可能也就是5，6个小时，加起来不过百把手牌，一般亚洲人都
比较tight，而比如1/2NL这样的，什么人都有，比较适合LAG的风格，你稍微tight一些
，大多数牌都没法玩。象A5s这样的，没有call 10BB，结果出来这样的情况，可能就是
一个session输赢的决定战役，正常人不可能情绪不受影响。再加上很难摸到的一把KK
给这样搞死了，是俺也要回家乐，一路还很郁闷。
online要轻松很多，一小时几百把，各种情况都见得很多，随时可以玩随时可以停，没
有那么多乱七八糟的顾虑(比如一个周末搭进去了什么的)。
a
Believe
was
guy
I |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 lol
He is the only High stake player who plays a ton, a lot of sessions, a lot
of hands in day. But his skill level is that sharp at that level.
I really have no idea what he is thinking there.
I have seen him play the way which fryking describes many times. I have no
clue what he is doing there. Come on, if you do not have edge on PLO, just
do not play it. It is so lame to play 10BB or 20BB in level. Does he try to
be a short-stack professional?
I bet he lose 90% of his bankroll already. Why do... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 29 昨天碰到个让我彻底绝望的：
我AA UTG 3bb, LP 3x到9bb，BTN call,我4bet到29bb，LP shove(10bb more),btn
flat？！每轮的4次raise到了我只能flat，flop 227，我直接shove BTN call，然后摸
出K2o...WTF？ |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 30 多谢yuanjunjun大牛的指点，说的很有道理。
在MTT刚开始，你如果有AKo或AQs或AJs，你在early position,如何raise? 好像raise
5BB 不管用，一堆人call。可能我玩的都是$5 buy in缘故？
你说fold AQ之类什么意思？也是beginning，在别人raise以后吗？
关于steal，我举个例子：（这里暂时不考虑opponent的习惯和是否进钱圈，我只是想
了解一般来说的做法）
如果我现在是10BB-15BB, 我有mid pair甚至small pair甚至AQ, AJ, KQs，之类，如果
前面一个人raise,我mid position或late position，我一般会all in，对吧？如果
suited connector呢？就是这里all in的 range多大？
如果我是15-20BB,我如果有mid pair 或AQ或AJ或A10s，我只会call前面的raise。你觉
得我应该resteal吗？
如果20-30BB, 你说resteal with a good hand, 这里A10s和KQs算good hand... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 31 Congratulations. very very impressive, and more importantly very very
aggressive.
I need to up my aggression a lot. for instance, late in tournaments (about
14-20 players left), I fold A3o at SB with m=5 12bb to CO/chip leader's 3x
open-raise instead of shoving, knowing the guy open at least 2 to 3 times
per orbit and I am probably ahead. And flat-calling with KQo at BB with
m=4 10bb to 2xbb open-raise and sb's calling behind, instead of shoving. I
need to close the lobby and forget about payout... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 32 LOL, I just have lots of vacation days left this year so I may play full
time in some week days. Noooooooo way to be a pro as I understand more and
more how frustrated when the downswing is going on.
I was running very well since mid of last month big down swing(lost $2200 a
day). Playing 4 rush tables give me more and more confidence in the current
level, more volume and more profit as well. I was up about $5500 for 60K
hands in 20 days, which is close to 10BB/100, pretty good.
However, I had a... 阅读全帖 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 33 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 If you eliminate all the leaks shown in Leakbuster. I think you're at least
5bb-10bb/100 winning player.
Easy ones to fix is VPIP, pfr, fold to 3 bet percentage, Cbet percentage ... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 welcome new face!
nothing wrong with what you're doing. 10BB shove with A suited或者小对子都
all in进去 is pretty standard play. you're not dominated unless others hold
a big Ax or pair, there're much more other hands they might call you with.
策略能最大化盈利, you have to gamble as a short stack. time is running out
and blinds are going up quickly, everyone knows that. poker is a game of
incomplete information, you make your moves based on what info. is available
to you. as here, shoving with suited Ax or smal... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 35 MTT, 29K in the pool. Winner takes 5+K.
20 left, BB=12K, average chip=300K.
Hero at SB w/ KK with 600K chips
MP w/ 700K chips
Preflop, MP limpin, so did BTN, SB 4BB and BB call
MP 10BB, BTN fold, SB call and BB allin (MP/SB call, cannot raise)
Flop, 28T rain bow. SB check and MP allin
What would you play, call/fold? |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 36 I played $1/$3 live at Wynn in 2006 Christmas. I just learned poker a couple
of months before that, so, I was really bad..
I did have the basic knowledge of pot odds and just read two Harrington's
books on tournaments. I guess it was a big deal and helped me a lot, lol.
I won around 1.3K in 2-3 days' sessions. I would say most players were bad,
and I was lucky. One quads hand saved my ass one night. If I hadn't hit the
one out, I would be down two buyins ($300 * 2) that night and may go back to
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 37 dude, relax, like i told u before, this small money is not going to change
our lives in any way. it's only for fun. well, i know, it's easier said than
done, hehe.
1) don't set daily goals like $50 or whatever, this will make you hesitant
in good situations or overplay in unfavorable ones. it's a meaningless goal
, even durrrr or any other pro can't guarantee they make XXXX every day. if
you have to have one to make yourself calm, try to set an even lower one,
like breaking even at least everyda... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 yes, i was watching 4 tables at the same time, almost every 20BB alike
reshove and call was a coin flip. every table was filled with either pro, ex
FTOP winners or big name sharks.
one poor guy, literally 3 hands in a row:
1) AA called MP's shove with TT, lost.
2) then QQ at SB called UTG's (ex FTOP winner) 20BB shove with 22, BB re-
shoved with 77, 22 hit flop 2;
3) then only about 10BB left, shoved next hand again 66 in unopened pot, SB
(same 77 guy) woke up with AA.
a sad story to tell for we... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 39 我是bb， aks（club）， pot size reraise to button 3.5x steal，others fold
we both 100bb
flop spade－9 spade－j diamond－k (pot around 13.5bb)
i 10bb bet, and 丫 mini raised me, I shove, he snap call.
his stats is quite common 25/18 偏凶, my image is broken, but with low 3bet
pf rate （5%， really low？）
不确定自己该怎么办 求分析 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 40 高手就是高手.. 不服不行.. He was running 14bb/100hand. that is a bit high.
but i think he can definitely do 6-10bb/100 hand no problem over long
stretch.
tables |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 41 i think 20$/hour rate is already very good at NL25 assuming you 4 table it.
that's close to 10bb/100 hand. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 42 大牌和做人是一样的，最难战胜的是自己. Qiang !!
Sigh, only me play tiny home game. Last weekend play with dudes with NL10
only. Really slow, 10 hands/hr or less. But I won $60 in 5hr. That is holly
10BB/hand or 1000BB/100hand. I raise preflop every hand(just 2BB or 3BB) and
get lots of calls. Bet on flop tiny every time, either fold on turn, bluff on turn or go nuts with big hands (guys with TP typically call and bamboozled by my wacky hands. hit nuts many times: straight 4/5 times, Fullhouse twice, big-flush twic... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 43 I left vegas yesterday. I played 2 preliminary events, event54 and event 56,
no cash. aftter I busted out from event 54, I played rio daily deep stack, $235 buy
in. 1050 participants and i got 13th for $1900. I also play 1 $550 ME
satellite and two single table sit and go, no results. That's all the
tourneys i played. In terms of cash game, i only played about 1.5 hours 1/3
game at rio and down about $50.
overall, i didnt play much. cash game tables are tougher than before (
opinion from fcf). ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 44 不得不发表自己的两分钱了 强顶player大大
其实个人也没打几次live（home game不算），总的感觉是fish和shark的edge相差巨大。
打个简单的比方，当一桌人由2个pro 4个fish 4个伪pro组成（这种情况应该很常见吧
），可以反过来算pro的win rate，那就是其他人的lose rate减去rake。你说光算fish
的lose rate，会不会只有－10bb/100 hands？我强烈的怀疑！
所以个人觉得live的侧重点在于选对桌子以及即时离桌，exploit fish，如果是为了赢
钱的话，不必死磕pro们，找准fish，又轻松来钱又快。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 45 Also, you may not need to worry about the payout from 6
on
chance
Zan! That is also something that I consider when playing short stack HUSNG
sometime too. When I am very short(less than 10BB usually) , I call a
preflop shove with hands like 78s. These hand are very likely behind but not
likely to be dominated. A majority time it is 40/60 against villian's
shoving range. Winning the hand will put me back to the match and get a
shot to win it. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 46 agree. hudge misstake to shove A5 when 40 BB deep. I usually shove less than
15 BB with A rag against good players, and less than 10BB against weak
player that I can outplay him postflop a lot.
in
Flop
a |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 47 我常在casino干过的bluff种类：
1. Raise flop donk/probe bet。donk bet一般是weakness的标志。
2. float flop bet in position and raise the turn。
3. 3-barrel。 Make sure that I am all in with a pot-sized bet on the
river.
This works against those who can fold top pair.
4. semibluff check raise huge when everyone shows weakness.
这些都是常用套路，没啥新鲜的。我个人听过的最牛的bluff还是fcf打出来的。
绝对的高级战术 （下面是转贴）：
fcf 发表于 2010-9-20 05:28:47 |只看该作者 |倒序浏览
这手牌是几个月以前在Vegas玩的， 那时刚到Rio， 看看朋友比赛， 等几个朋友一起吃饭， 没
事干就上了个2-5的桌子玩玩， 那时是WSOP，所以Rio里玩家平均水平比其他的赌场有好一点，... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 48 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Sun Nov 13 17:40:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
继续提高版上人气，也许老大可以搞个有奖征文，
大家说说自己得意的bluff，要把bluff 的思路讲清楚。 然后大家投票，得票最多者
奖励30 个包子。
当然，也后也可以讲best laydown，best thin value bet 一类，但俺觉得还是best
bluff 最刺激。
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nanpa (nanpa) 于 (Sun Nov 13 18:11:42 2011, 美东) 提到:
算不上最好的bluff，但还是很刺激，上周末的home game， 1/2
EP, raise to $7，CO call, button call，
hero SM 35o
$7 在这个桌上是个比较小的raise,后面两个limp应该也只是中/小对或SC之类的牌... 阅读全帖 |
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g*******s
发帖数: 2828 | 49 family game. 8 handed. we had played a while and there were some big stacks
on the table, and action is pretty loose pre-flop. Villain is relatively
new to poker and does not like to fold premium hands easily. in a previous
session, i flopped a set against her AA and check raised her on turn and put
her all in on river for 200BB. She folded on the river after tanking for 5
minutes, thought i bluffed her, got tilted and lost 300BB the very next hand
with 1010 over calling a shove.
Villain UTG ra... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 50 我觉得应该是一个fold，如果是10bb左右可以call
payout |
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