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TexasHoldem版 - 新手求教Final table策略
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896
1
最近打比较多FTP上的rush tournment,进了2次final table,
stack大概都是5,6左右,一般也不会比第9多多少。
final table开始的时候比较紧,因为大筹码的玩家总是打得很凶。到最后淘汰掉1,2个
人以后,我往往就只剩下不到10个BB,以至于抓到A suited或者小对子都all in进去,
经常结果很惨。
想问问进final table中下筹码的玩家在final table上应该用什么样的策略能最大化盈
利。
D*A
发帖数: 1169
2
Sometimes you might need gamble a little before FT, to get a good stack at
FT
if everytime you just survive into the FT with small stack,you normally will
end up out of first 5
and if you justx waiting into FT and expect a huge turn-over,well, that is
rare..

【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 最近打比较多FTP上的rush tournment,进了2次final table,
: stack大概都是5,6左右,一般也不会比第9多多少。
: final table开始的时候比较紧,因为大筹码的玩家总是打得很凶。到最后淘汰掉1,2个
: 人以后,我往往就只剩下不到10个BB,以至于抓到A suited或者小对子都all in进去,
: 经常结果很惨。
: 想问问进final table中下筹码的玩家在final table上应该用什么样的策略能最大化盈
: 利。

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
3
冒昧问下 rush tournament 的级别
f*****g
发帖数: 15860
4
welcome new face!
nothing wrong with what you're doing. 10BB shove with A suited或者小对子都
all in进去 is pretty standard play. you're not dominated unless others hold
a big Ax or pair, there're much more other hands they might call you with.
策略能最大化盈利, you have to gamble as a short stack. time is running out
and blinds are going up quickly, everyone knows that. poker is a game of
incomplete information, you make your moves based on what info. is available
to you. as here, shoving with suited Ax or small PP (better in an unopened
pot) is the best you can do.
in general, tounaments are NOT something that we expect to make all "right"
decisions (or wait for good hands) and then we can win them. it's a
combination of skills/read/timing/luck.
also, for tournament pros, they play a ton everyday, and even for them (
assuming skills are good), most of time they get nothing. it's simply how
tournaments work. you should not feel frustrated by not finishing deep in a
few of them, and doubt that you did something "wrong". 进了2次final table is
indeed nothing, from a sample size standpoint.

【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 最近打比较多FTP上的rush tournment,进了2次final table,
: stack大概都是5,6左右,一般也不会比第9多多少。
: final table开始的时候比较紧,因为大筹码的玩家总是打得很凶。到最后淘汰掉1,2个
: 人以后,我往往就只剩下不到10个BB,以至于抓到A suited或者小对子都all in进去,
: 经常结果很惨。
: 想问问进final table中下筹码的玩家在final table上应该用什么样的策略能最大化盈
: 利。

s*******o
发帖数: 4896
5
现在只敢打4+0.4 buy-in的

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 冒昧问下 rush tournament 的级别
s*******o
发帖数: 4896
6
多谢回复。
我现在玩tournment对timing的感觉特别不好,不太会在不同阶段控制tight/loose
比如前天,我在200多人的rush tourney还剩30个人的时候我还是chip leader
我想说应该打得很LAG,偷点Blind,结果运气不好,被一个只有我1/3 stack的
人Q7s beat了 AQo,后来stack就一直减少,到最后就只拿到第10。所以昨天我stack
一直在5,6位的时候,进FT之前,一直打得小心翼翼。感觉进不进FT收益差别挺大的,
所以很谨慎。。。
另外,除了哈灵顿的老三篇,有其他针对timing的tourney书推荐否?

hold
available
unopened
"

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: welcome new face!
: nothing wrong with what you're doing. 10BB shove with A suited或者小对子都
: all in进去 is pretty standard play. you're not dominated unless others hold
: a big Ax or pair, there're much more other hands they might call you with.
: 策略能最大化盈利, you have to gamble as a short stack. time is running out
: and blinds are going up quickly, everyone knows that. poker is a game of
: incomplete information, you make your moves based on what info. is available
: to you. as here, shoving with suited Ax or small PP (better in an unopened
: pot) is the best you can do.
: in general, tounaments are NOT something that we expect to make all "right"

f*****g
发帖数: 15860
7
不太会在不同阶段控制tight/loose
this is the key.
感觉进不进FT收益差别挺大的,
no, finishing 8/9th or busted at 24th doesn't make ANY difference, if you're
mostly a tournament player.
yes, it may look like you "win" some $ by entering the FT, but it's NOTHING
or a pure waste of time. for example, $4.4 rush, you make a few bucks only.
all the big $ (in any MTT) is for top 3, this is what we should be fighting
for. sometimes we play too tight/chicken because we care too much about FT
or peanut $ for 8th/9th. we try to avoid fighting with other big stacks,
just hoping for one more step on the ladder. this could easily be exploited
by other more experienced players.

【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 多谢回复。
: 我现在玩tournment对timing的感觉特别不好,不太会在不同阶段控制tight/loose
: 比如前天,我在200多人的rush tourney还剩30个人的时候我还是chip leader
: 我想说应该打得很LAG,偷点Blind,结果运气不好,被一个只有我1/3 stack的
: 人Q7s beat了 AQo,后来stack就一直减少,到最后就只拿到第10。所以昨天我stack
: 一直在5,6位的时候,进FT之前,一直打得小心翼翼。感觉进不进FT收益差别挺大的,
: 所以很谨慎。。。
: 另外,除了哈灵顿的老三篇,有其他针对timing的tourney书推荐否?
:
: hold

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
8
牛 原来fryking 也是mtt老牛
my 2 cents, 4.4 还是属于small stake,有钱人从来不是很care,导致tourny总体风
格偏松,初期无数donk,中后期loose to c flop的依然很多,当然这是相对而言的。
所以初始阶段的tight、chicken应该还是非常奏效。我的point来了,mtt,notes比hm
stats有用的多,因为老牛们的策略是不停随着情况变的,但是不管他们怎么变,始终
都有他们自己的原则,比如中期aa limp induce bluf,小盲偷盲的range without
limper等, 记上一笔说不定什么时候就给你double up的chance,总之 胆大 心细 决
定了就无所顾忌,视具体情况,灵活调整战术,绝对不要一根筋就行。 希望抛砖引玉
h*******s
发帖数: 3932
9
In those sit & go tournaments (such as 90 people), no one can build a deep
stack at late stage. the blinds are so high that everyone is kind of short.
that really limits the options.


hm

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 牛 原来fryking 也是mtt老牛
: my 2 cents, 4.4 还是属于small stake,有钱人从来不是很care,导致tourny总体风
: 格偏松,初期无数donk,中后期loose to c flop的依然很多,当然这是相对而言的。
: 所以初始阶段的tight、chicken应该还是非常奏效。我的point来了,mtt,notes比hm
: stats有用的多,因为老牛们的策略是不停随着情况变的,但是不管他们怎么变,始终
: 都有他们自己的原则,比如中期aa limp induce bluf,小盲偷盲的range without
: limper等, 记上一笔说不定什么时候就给你double up的chance,总之 胆大 心细 决
: 定了就无所顾忌,视具体情况,灵活调整战术,绝对不要一根筋就行。 希望抛砖引玉

f*****g
发帖数: 15860
10
me? lol, i don't play mtt much at all, and only tiny ones.
BUT(lol), i watched a lot of yjj's play and know him inside out.


hm

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 牛 原来fryking 也是mtt老牛
: my 2 cents, 4.4 还是属于small stake,有钱人从来不是很care,导致tourny总体风
: 格偏松,初期无数donk,中后期loose to c flop的依然很多,当然这是相对而言的。
: 所以初始阶段的tight、chicken应该还是非常奏效。我的point来了,mtt,notes比hm
: stats有用的多,因为老牛们的策略是不停随着情况变的,但是不管他们怎么变,始终
: 都有他们自己的原则,比如中期aa limp induce bluf,小盲偷盲的range without
: limper等, 记上一笔说不定什么时候就给你double up的chance,总之 胆大 心细 决
: 定了就无所顾忌,视具体情况,灵活调整战术,绝对不要一根筋就行。 希望抛砖引玉

s*********k
发帖数: 1989
11
Play RUSH MTT with 1K+ buy-ins. At final table, the average chip has 50+
blinds.

【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 最近打比较多FTP上的rush tournment,进了2次final table,
: stack大概都是5,6左右,一般也不会比第9多多少。
: final table开始的时候比较紧,因为大筹码的玩家总是打得很凶。到最后淘汰掉1,2个
: 人以后,我往往就只剩下不到10个BB,以至于抓到A suited或者小对子都all in进去,
: 经常结果很惨。
: 想问问进final table中下筹码的玩家在final table上应该用什么样的策略能最大化盈
: 利。

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