E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | | x*a
发帖数: 4968 | 2 弗兰克林说，圣经教条不智慧。这基本符合圣经的原话。神定意用愚拙的道理拯救信的
人。
华盛顿要建立一个政教分离的政府。这是一个基督徒从政所应具有的理念。
杰佛逊这句话说得也不是没有道理。耶稣也讲过，基督教会本来是把新面，结果被酵母
发的老大一团。他不抱怨，我都有抱怨。
至于胖胖那句，是常被反基用来歪曲的。人家原话后面还有半截，说没有宗教的世界其
实就是地狱。我知道你不是诚心断章取义，就不拍了。 | D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 3 The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall
govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it
by fictitious miracles?
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815
【在 x*a 的大作中提到】
: 弗兰克林说，圣经教条不智慧。这基本符合圣经的原话。神定意用愚拙的道理拯救信的
: 人。
: 华盛顿要建立一个政教分离的政府。这是一个基督徒从政所应具有的理念。
: 杰佛逊这句话说得也不是没有道理。耶稣也讲过，基督教会本来是把新面，结果被酵母
: 发的老大一团。他不抱怨，我都有抱怨。
: 至于胖胖那句，是常被反基用来歪曲的。人家原话后面还有半截，说没有宗教的世界其
: 实就是地狱。我知道你不是诚心断章取义，就不拍了。
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 4
請引原文。
【在 x*a 的大作中提到】
: 弗兰克林说，圣经教条不智慧。这基本符合圣经的原话。神定意用愚拙的道理拯救信的
: 人。
: 华盛顿要建立一个政教分离的政府。这是一个基督徒从政所应具有的理念。
: 杰佛逊这句话说得也不是没有道理。耶稣也讲过，基督教会本来是把新面，结果被酵母
: 发的老大一团。他不抱怨，我都有抱怨。
: 至于胖胖那句，是常被反基用来歪曲的。人家原话后面还有半截，说没有宗教的世界其
: 实就是地狱。我知道你不是诚心断章取义，就不拍了。
| x*a
发帖数: 4968 | 5 Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of
breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were
no religion at all!!!” But in this exclamation I would have been as
fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be
something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 請引原文。
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 6
were
good point.
【在 x*a 的大作中提到】
: Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of
: breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were
: no religion at all!!!” But in this exclamation I would have been as
: fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be
: something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.
| y**l
发帖数: 714 | 7 赞渊博。
【在 x*a 的大作中提到】
: 弗兰克林说，圣经教条不智慧。这基本符合圣经的原话。神定意用愚拙的道理拯救信的
: 人。
: 华盛顿要建立一个政教分离的政府。这是一个基督徒从政所应具有的理念。
: 杰佛逊这句话说得也不是没有道理。耶稣也讲过，基督教会本来是把新面，结果被酵母
: 发的老大一团。他不抱怨，我都有抱怨。
: 至于胖胖那句，是常被反基用来歪曲的。人家原话后面还有半截，说没有宗教的世界其
: 实就是地狱。我知道你不是诚心断章取义，就不拍了。
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 8 时代性的狭隘，证毕
were
【在 x*a 的大作中提到】
: Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of
: breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were
: no religion at all!!!” But in this exclamation I would have been as
: fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be
: something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.
| D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 9 1817年，两个7、80岁的老头，写信讨论信仰和人生。这里Adams偏向基督教，
Jefferson偏反基。不过这都是进化论出来之前的事情了。
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/livingrev/religion/text
were
【在 x*a 的大作中提到】
: Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of
: breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were
: no religion at all!!!” But in this exclamation I would have been as
: fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be
: something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 10 看了來往書信。
Jefferson 是堅定的 deist, Adam 則是在 deist 和 theist 之間， 我都看不出
有傾向基督教的跡象。 | J***s
发帖数: 178 | 11 这段话跟反基督教矛盾么?
穆斯林们多半就是这么认为的。
were
【在 x*a 的大作中提到】
: Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of
: breaking out, “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were
: no religion at all!!!” But in this exclamation I would have been as
: fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be
: something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.
| D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 12 Adam1813年夏天给Jefferson的信,挑起来吵架的
"Now I will avow, that I then believed, and now believe, that those general
Principles of Christianity,are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence
and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty,are as
unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System. I could
therefore safely say,
consistently with all my then and present Information, that I believed they
would never make Discoveries in contradiction to these general Principles.
In favour of these general Principles in Phylosophy,Religion and Government,
I could fill Sheets of quotations from Frederick of Prussia, from Hume,
Gibbon, Bolingbroke, Reausseau and Voltaire, as well as Neuton and Locke:
not to mention thousands of
Divines and Philosophers of inferiour Fame."
可惜几十年后物种起源发表，思想界剧变，Adams这个“safely say”现在看来就是打
自己脸。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 看了來往書信。
: Jefferson 是堅定的 deist, Adam 則是在 deist 和 theist 之間， 我都看不出
: 有傾向基督教的跡象。
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