s***u
发帖数: 1911 | |
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 2
If you believe in "justification by faith", you owe something to the Reformists/Calvinists.
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: Reformist is Calvinist
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 3 is it in TULIP?
if you believe TULIP, you are not Christian at all.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: If you believe in "justification by faith", you owe something to the Reformists/Calvinists.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 4 why does the theological debate matter to you since you are not a Christian yet? IMHO,accepting Jesus Christ as the Savior is much more important than debating over these theological concepts for non-belivers.
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: is it in TULIP?
: if you believe TULIP, you are not Christian at all.
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 5 Matthew 10:42 And if you give even a cup of cold water to one of the least o
f my followers, you will surely be rewarded.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: why does the theological debate matter to you since you are not a Christian yet? IMHO,accepting Jesus Christ as the Savior is much more important than debating over these theological concepts for non-belivers.
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 6 also, I saw many true christians left this board.
I am fighting for them. You at least know one of them.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: why does the theological debate matter to you since you are not a Christian yet? IMHO,accepting Jesus Christ as the Savior is much more important than debating over these theological concepts for non-belivers.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 7
then become a true Christian in God's eyes yourself at this forum, starting
from NOT judging the 改革宗/归正宗.
IMHO, if not for 改革宗/归正宗, probably neither of us would be able to
establish a personal relationship with God by reading the Bible and enjoy
the salvation from "justification by faith". Pope would be dictating what we
shall believe and how we can be saved (thru deeds).
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: also, I saw many true christians left this board.
: I am fighting for them. You at least know one of them.
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c****g
发帖数: 3893 | 8 耶稣的磐石是加尔文还是彼得阿？
we
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: then become a true Christian in God's eyes yourself at this forum, starting
: from NOT judging the 改革宗/归正宗.
: IMHO, if not for 改革宗/归正宗, probably neither of us would be able to
: establish a personal relationship with God by reading the Bible and enjoy
: the salvation from "justification by faith". Pope would be dictating what we
: shall believe and how we can be saved (thru deeds).
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 9 borrowing a phrase often used by LZ -- who died for you on the cross?
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 耶稣的磐石是加尔文还是彼得阿？
:
: we
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c****g
发帖数: 3893 | 10 不知道啊，请你说明并证明吧
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: borrowing a phrase often used by LZ -- who died for you on the cross?
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c****g
发帖数: 3893 | 11 说真格的这里要是没有大批非基，主要上演的就是这些归正宗的永生们怒斗异端了
还有下面小仙鹤们大声阿门
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: Reformist is Calvinist
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 12 神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们，叫一切信他的，不至灭亡，反得永生。
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 不知道啊，请你说明并证明吧
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 13 神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们，叫一切信他的，不至灭亡，反得永生。
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 不知道啊，请你说明并证明吧
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 14 when I first came here, I thought Christianity and Confucianism can harmoniz
e each other. After witnessing calvinists assaulting myelsa and local churc
h members, I realized the Christian world is deteriorated. I have two choic
es, kill the Christian belief as a whole, or kill the bad Christian-Calvinis
ts only.
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 说真格的这里要是没有大批非基，主要上演的就是这些归正宗的永生们怒斗异端了
: 还有下面小仙鹤们大声阿门
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w*****r
发帖数: 7106 | 15 Why you Christian debate about the whole world since you are not non-
Christian ? This is a public board, Why don't you guys just stay in your
church and only talk about the world of Christianity? non-Christianity world
is non of your business.
Christian yet? IMHO,accepting Jesus Christ as the Savior is much more
important than debating over these theological concepts for non-belivers.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: why does the theological debate matter to you since you are not a Christian yet? IMHO,accepting Jesus Christ as the Savior is much more important than debating over these theological concepts for non-belivers.
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 16 TULIP is so so evil
if you believe TULIP, you are not christian
all you said here is nonsense
justifcation by faith is from John 3:16
John 3:16 also prove the TULIP is wrong
why I call calvinists cult?
I don't know calvin at all one year ago.
but finally I found out that the bad guys who attacking myelsa here are all
calvinists! what a coincidence! If I don't fight back, more true christian
will leave this board or become Mormon like myelsa.
starting
we
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: 神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们，叫一切信他的，不至灭亡，反得永生。
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 17
a) TULIP is not from John Calvin.
b) in the historical context, John Calvin's theology emphasized the absolute
sovereignty of God and thus justification is by faith alone.
c) verses supporting justification by faith are all over the Bible, not
limited to John 3:16. But the practice (of which you are benefiting from)
are due to the efforts of the church reformation.
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: TULIP is so so evil
: if you believe TULIP, you are not christian
: all you said here is nonsense
: justifcation by faith is from John 3:16
: John 3:16 also prove the TULIP is wrong
: why I call calvinists cult?
: I don't know calvin at all one year ago.
: but finally I found out that the bad guys who attacking myelsa here are all
: calvinists! what a coincidence! If I don't fight back, more true christian
: will leave this board or become Mormon like myelsa.
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 18 you want to say John Calvin is innocent? then I call the TULIP believers re
formers. OK?
Justifcation by faith is truth, every christian should believe this. I am v
ery confident that the mormonism also believe this.
So-called justifcation by deeds, as used by many reformers to attacking morm
onism and JW, is a misunderstanding of bible teaching.
faith---> good deeds. no good deeds = no faith at all.
Christians should not live in the sin any more. if you do, you are not Chri
stian.
absolute
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: a) TULIP is not from John Calvin.
: b) in the historical context, John Calvin's theology emphasized the absolute
: sovereignty of God and thus justification is by faith alone.
: c) verses supporting justification by faith are all over the Bible, not
: limited to John 3:16. But the practice (of which you are benefiting from)
: are due to the efforts of the church reformation.
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 19
all
christian
我成为LDS其实并非由于别人攻击我，我已经习惯了，我原谅所有那样做的人，我深知
其原因。我感激SISHU弟兄一向对我的支持和爱护。
我加入完全是因为，我亲自调查他们的教义发现跟我学到的圣经教导的完全一致。我也
发现他们的教会不论是教会组织结构，还是教导，还是教友所行，都跟圣经启示的第一
世纪的教会完全一致。我确认这是耶稣真实教会的再次复兴。
我不会被人推着走的，这么多年也了解不少不同教派的事情，我是通过祷告，所听所学
，自己认为这个教会是真实的。摩门经是真实的另一本见证主耶稣的启示。
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: TULIP is so so evil
: if you believe TULIP, you are not christian
: all you said here is nonsense
: justifcation by faith is from John 3:16
: John 3:16 also prove the TULIP is wrong
: why I call calvinists cult?
: I don't know calvin at all one year ago.
: but finally I found out that the bad guys who attacking myelsa here are all
: calvinists! what a coincidence! If I don't fight back, more true christian
: will leave this board or become Mormon like myelsa.
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 20 I really don't like LDS. I watched a anti-homo video speech by a LDS leade
r (I posted it in belif board). He said homosexuality is not a result of na
ture. He used the logic that "why our heavenly father would make ppl this w
ay?" His attitude is so arrogant.
"why our heavenly father would make ppl this way?" why are there so many d
isasters on this world? If your leader don't understand God's will, just be
humble. I don't ppl talking like a messenger of god.
【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
:
: all
: christian
: 我成为LDS其实并非由于别人攻击我，我已经习惯了，我原谅所有那样做的人，我深知
: 其原因。我感激SISHU弟兄一向对我的支持和爱护。
: 我加入完全是因为，我亲自调查他们的教义发现跟我学到的圣经教导的完全一致。我也
: 发现他们的教会不论是教会组织结构，还是教导，还是教友所行，都跟圣经启示的第一
: 世纪的教会完全一致。我确认这是耶稣真实教会的再次复兴。
: 我不会被人推着走的，这么多年也了解不少不同教派的事情，我是通过祷告，所听所学
: ，自己认为这个教会是真实的。摩门经是真实的另一本见证主耶稣的启示。
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c****g
发帖数: 3893 | 21 怎么证明这是神说的不是飞行面条说的？人说的？撒旦说的？
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: 神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们，叫一切信他的，不至灭亡，反得永生。
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 22
leade
na
w
d
be
每个人都有圣灵的指引，只要你寻求，圣灵教人明察事实。我们不需要什么都同意都意
见一致，但这不能否认我们都是弟兄姐妹的事实。同性恋的人也是我们的弟兄姐妹，我
们坚信这一点，这是根植在教义里面的。
我不知道你看的录像是谁制作的，很有可能是反对我们教会的人，所谓anti-Mormons.
有些人由于很多的成见和误解，把我们教会的人当作敌人看待的。不管我们做了什么好
事，一概不提，只提他们认为错误的地方。
你也知道，任何人的话，即便是圣经上的，如果没有上下文，场合，说话对象的前后背
景的了解，只截取一小段的话，都可能造成误解。也许同一位弟兄接下来还说了别的话
，解释他上面的问题，但是制作录像的人偏偏不放那一段，只放他自己认为make his
point的那一段---这种手法是常见的。
希望你明察。
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: I really don't like LDS. I watched a anti-homo video speech by a LDS leade
: r (I posted it in belif board). He said homosexuality is not a result of na
: ture. He used the logic that "why our heavenly father would make ppl this w
: ay?" His attitude is so arrogant.
: "why our heavenly father would make ppl this way?" why are there so many d
: isasters on this world? If your leader don't understand God's will, just be
: humble. I don't ppl talking like a messenger of god.
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 23 anyway, mormons believe living prophet. this leaves no room for
confucianism.
I am defending you because I believe you are true Christian.
.
【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
:
: leade
: na
: w
: d
: be
: 每个人都有圣灵的指引，只要你寻求，圣灵教人明察事实。我们不需要什么都同意都意
: 见一致，但这不能否认我们都是弟兄姐妹的事实。同性恋的人也是我们的弟兄姐妹，我
: 们坚信这一点，这是根植在教义里面的。
: 我不知道你看的录像是谁制作的，很有可能是反对我们教会的人，所谓anti-Mormons.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 24 that you have to experience yourself someday somehow in your real life
instead on online forums.
"证明" won't make you a believer or non-believer.
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 怎么证明这是神说的不是飞行面条说的？人说的？撒旦说的？
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 25
leade
na
w
d
be
再举个例子别人会怎样误解我们的信仰。比如不了解我们教义的人，会想当然的以为，
我们也相信不信的人，或者没有加入我们教会的人都下地狱。我为什么这样说，因为比
如在摩门经的音乐剧里面，描写一个传教士有这样的关于对于地狱的梦。给人一个印象
我们教会就是这样教导的。这根本不是事实。
在教义里面，下所谓地狱的，就是跟神彻底隔绝的，是撒旦和亵渎圣灵的人。即便最终
没有接受耶稣的人也不会下地狱，他们在大审判之后要进入到低荣的国度。何况是一位
已经有悔改之心的剧中的年轻的男孩子呢？（当然这种出入也是可以理解的，因为编剧
还是无神论的人，反正好像基督教似乎听起来都差不多，差别是有的。）
道听途说就是这样来的，把不是事实的，可能是别人的信仰，加工融合，似乎就是真的
了。所以，不需要了解别人的信仰吗？不了解，是可以的，也是常发生的。不知道，就
是不知道，不能胡乱编造和臆想，因为根本不真实。
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: I really don't like LDS. I watched a anti-homo video speech by a LDS leade
: r (I posted it in belif board). He said homosexuality is not a result of na
: ture. He used the logic that "why our heavenly father would make ppl this w
: ay?" His attitude is so arrogant.
: "why our heavenly father would make ppl this way?" why are there so many d
: isasters on this world? If your leader don't understand God's will, just be
: humble. I don't ppl talking like a messenger of god.
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 26
谢谢你弟兄，我们教会教导不管是信耶稣的，还是不信的，人类都是弟兄姐妹，因为每
个人的灵都是生于天父。
我们相信活的先知，就会否定儒学？这不是真实的。我们的教义接受一切好的教训，不
论是什么信仰宗教的。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2EQmlAKvy4&feature=mfu_in_order
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: anyway, mormons believe living prophet. this leaves no room for
: confucianism.
: I am defending you because I believe you are true Christian.
:
: .
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 27 too much thoughts for me. I just want to kill the reformers first :)
【在 m****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 谢谢你弟兄，我们教会教导不管是信耶稣的，还是不信的，人类都是弟兄姐妹，因为每
: 个人的灵都是生于天父。
: 我们相信活的先知，就会否定儒学？这不是真实的。我们的教义接受一切好的教训，不
: 论是什么信仰宗教的。
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2EQmlAKvy4&feature=mfu_in_order
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 28
呵呵，这里另一个录像关于我们教会看待穆斯林信仰。同时可以看到我们怎样看待其他
信仰和宗教的人。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXs0gp3jWo8
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: too much thoughts for me. I just want to kill the reformers first :)
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c****g
发帖数: 3893 | 29 也就是说， 你连信仰的神的存在都无法提供证明，你所信仰的无非是yy
太可笑了。。。
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: that you have to experience yourself someday somehow in your real life
: instead on online forums.
: "证明" won't make you a believer or non-believer.
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j*******u
发帖数: 712 | 30 神是至高无上，不需证明的。你们要被BBQ的人是不会明白的，也不是你们用人的逻辑
能理解的。不服？问所长
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 也就是说， 你连信仰的神的存在都无法提供证明，你所信仰的无非是yy
: 太可笑了。。。
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 31
The existence of God the Creator is proven by his Creation -- the Universe.
But I'm sure you'd rather attribute all this wonder to random
physical & chemical interaction/reactions.
As to "faith" vs. "evidence",
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
things not seen.
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 也就是说， 你连信仰的神的存在都无法提供证明，你所信仰的无非是yy
: 太可笑了。。。
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c****g
发帖数: 3893 | 32 这个就忒可笑了
.
of
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: The existence of God the Creator is proven by his Creation -- the Universe.
: But I'm sure you'd rather attribute all this wonder to random
: physical & chemical interaction/reactions.
: As to "faith" vs. "evidence",
: Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
: things not seen.
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j********1
发帖数: 2073 | 33 Thanks for sharing
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: Reformist is Calvinist
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 34 这么伟大无限的宇宙，可以用宇宙中一粒尘埃上的一本书解释真相，不佩服这个想象力
和凌云的壮志不行呀
.
of
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: The existence of God the Creator is proven by his Creation -- the Universe.
: But I'm sure you'd rather attribute all this wonder to random
: physical & chemical interaction/reactions.
: As to "faith" vs. "evidence",
: Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
: things not seen.
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