c*******u
发帖数: 640 | 1 教会里的人很忙碌，进进出出，查经小组也是如此，有的人晃来晃去，看到別人的灵命
大增，生活有了动力和光辉，就哀叹自己怎么还是老样子，继续数算着手里的斤斤两两
，仍然抱怨这担心那的一付沉重感，这个教会岂不是白混了吗？
只说得一口好文章，没用！生活是每天的积累，信心要每天的操练，得着了，你受益，
同道友，相扶持，阿门？ | j*****5
发帖数: 5135 | 2 阿门, but there are problem here.
how to 操练and what to 操练, why 操练.
didn't Paul say justified by faith? not by work?
if work and get paid, then it's not gift.
so if you 操练, and get better, then it's no different from other religion
or philosophy.
We all know, if you work hard and work smart, you will get more results.
Why need Jesus? | J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 3 Faith alone justifies, but faith does not only justify. It transforms us to
do good works.
In John 14:15, Jesus said "If you love me, follow my commandments." So our
faith in Jesus should lead to obedience of Jesus's commandments. Jesus's
commendments are to love God and love our neighbors as ourselves and even
love our enmeines. John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have
loved you.
Jesus died for our sins and we love Jesus. Jesus told us this is what we
should do if we love Jesus: to love one another in action. Even though, we
have faith in Him and believe we are justified by this faith, we are not
perfect (sanctified), and still need to fight with our earthly desires.
The gift is the eternal life which we accepted though faith in Jesus. But
this faith need to be practiced in action to be fruitful.
【在 j*****5 的大作中提到】
: 阿门, but there are problem here.
: how to 操练and what to 操练, why 操练.
: didn't Paul say justified by faith? not by work?
: if work and get paid, then it's not gift.
: so if you 操练, and get better, then it's no different from other religion
: or philosophy.
: We all know, if you work hard and work smart, you will get more results.
: Why need Jesus?
| j*****5
发帖数: 5135 | 4 Little bit too vague.
what does love other means?
love other as ourselves, that mean love ourselves first right?
how to love ourselves?
to
have
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: Faith alone justifies, but faith does not only justify. It transforms us to
: do good works.
: In John 14:15, Jesus said "If you love me, follow my commandments." So our
: faith in Jesus should lead to obedience of Jesus's commandments. Jesus's
: commendments are to love God and love our neighbors as ourselves and even
: love our enmeines. John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have
: loved you.
: Jesus died for our sins and we love Jesus. Jesus told us this is what we
: should do if we love Jesus: to love one another in action. Even though, we
: have faith in Him and believe we are justified by this faith, we are not
| m****h
发帖数: 1672 | 5 “没有行为的信心是死的”，不是指用行为称义，而是指行为是信心的表现方式。
这是在说信心的特点。是和行为相关。不是和口头的空话相关。
人靠行为是靠不住的，因为今天行得出，明天未必行得出。积累再多的好行为，环境一
变，
又会回到解放前。
这是人的特点。靠行为靠不住。
惟有因信称义，才能得救，是因为信的对象是神，不是人自己。信心出来的行为，也是
因此从神而来。让人不能夸口。
靠行为称义，靠爱称义，都是在靠自己去做，都靠不住。 | J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 6 If you read carefully, Jesus said "Love each other as I loved you." Jesus
died for us so that we can have eternal life. That is how Jesus loved us: do
anything for the benefit of others regardless the cost to oneself.
Everyone love oneself. We don't want to suffer. We want to enjoy and have
fun. If anyone like to suffer with no reason, this guy has some mental
problem. We love oursevles by taking care of our own body, eat good food,
wear good clothes, buy nice stuff for ourselves, keep ourselves happy, etc.
That's called love ourselves.
Now Jesus want we do the same to people around us and even those who are
against us. Of course, most times, we want to our enemies to suffer. But,
don't go to another extreme. I don't think Jesus want us to be self-abusive.
I think he wanted us to forgive our enemies, have mercy on them, and show
some humanity on our enemies.
【在 j*****5 的大作中提到】
: Little bit too vague.
: what does love other means?
: love other as ourselves, that mean love ourselves first right?
: how to love ourselves?
:
: to
: have
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 7 没错啊！
“圣经”“新约”明确要求女基督徒们在教会要“闭口不言”，基们为什么不遵守？
“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，基们为什么不遵
守？
对主子的教导，基门的态度应该是：理解的要遵守，不理解的也要遵守！在遵守中加深
理解！
基们总是找借口不遵守主子的教导，令人鄙视！！！！！！ | c*******u
发帖数: 640 | 8 我想说的是做一个行为上的基督徒，不是研究来分析去与自己的生活完全无关，平时该
愤怒愤怒，该焦虑焦虑，一切照旧，还抱怨神很远，做功课啊！放下属世的老我，努力
造一个全新的自己
【在 m****h 的大作中提到】
: “没有行为的信心是死的”，不是指用行为称义，而是指行为是信心的表现方式。
: 这是在说信心的特点。是和行为相关。不是和口头的空话相关。
: 人靠行为是靠不住的，因为今天行得出，明天未必行得出。积累再多的好行为，环境一
: 变，
: 又会回到解放前。
: 这是人的特点。靠行为靠不住。
: 惟有因信称义，才能得救，是因为信的对象是神，不是人自己。信心出来的行为，也是
: 因此从神而来。让人不能夸口。
: 靠行为称义，靠爱称义，都是在靠自己去做，都靠不住。
| j*****5
发帖数: 5135 | 9 can 行为 prove heart?
or the heart affect 行为?
if there is no 行为, it mean heart has some problem.
Some Christians fake 行为 in order to prove their heart, they end up like
the Pharisees.
How do you rebuild your heart through work? through 操练?
If so, what kind of 操练? | c*******u
发帖数: 640 | 10 举个例子吧，不忧虑，原油涨了降了，都有人担心这个那个，我的态度是过我的日子，
加汽油便宜当然好，以后怎样影响经济，交给神了
【在 j*****5 的大作中提到】
: can 行为 prove heart?
: or the heart affect 行为?
: if there is no 行为, it mean heart has some problem.
: Some Christians fake 行为 in order to prove their heart, they end up like
: the Pharisees.
: How do you rebuild your heart through work? through 操练?
: If so, what kind of 操练?
| | | j*****5
发帖数: 5135 | 11 Then how about be more actively involved by knowing all the truth about why
原油涨了降了 and be able to make shit load of money out of it.
Then use the money build a great business, provide work for thousands and
affect 经济 positively, then tell the world God is good, you are His witness.
【在 c*******u 的大作中提到】
: 举个例子吧，不忧虑，原油涨了降了，都有人担心这个那个，我的态度是过我的日子，
: 加汽油便宜当然好，以后怎样影响经济，交给神了
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 12
why
witness.
“圣经”“新约”明确要求女基督徒们在教会要“闭口不言”，你为什么不遵守？
“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，你为什么不遵
守？
【在 j*****5 的大作中提到】
: Then how about be more actively involved by knowing all the truth about why
: 原油涨了降了 and be able to make shit load of money out of it.
: Then use the money build a great business, provide work for thousands and
: affect 经济 positively, then tell the world God is good, you are His witness.
| j*****5
发帖数: 5135 | 13 圣经 is not God.
圣经 contain word of God, not all word of God.
God reveal Himself throughout His creations and throughout history.
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: why
: witness.
: “圣经”“新约”明确要求女基督徒们在教会要“闭口不言”，你为什么不遵守？
: “圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，你为什么不遵
: 守？
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 14
你的意思是“圣经”“新约”的教导可以不用遵守？
请问是你的智慧高还是你家主子的智慧高？以你低下的智慧，你如何判断“圣经”“新
约”哪些教导是“word of God”哪些不是？
【在 j*****5 的大作中提到】
: 圣经 is not God.
: 圣经 contain word of God, not all word of God.
: God reveal Himself throughout His creations and throughout history.
| j*****5
发帖数: 5135 | 15 No, you are wrong again.
圣经 is not edited or printed by God, but by man.
So 圣经 has some wisdom that belong to God, but not all wisdom belong to God
, some wisdom belong to men.
Some people (Christians included) think we can not tell right from wrong, we
must follow every word in the 圣经.
That's a misunderstanding about 圣经.
We can tell right from wrong, big from small, important from trivial.
We just have to feed ourselves with knowledge and wisdom from all over the
world, from all history, then we can pick the right choices.
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 你的意思是“圣经”“新约”的教导可以不用遵守？
: 请问是你的智慧高还是你家主子的智慧高？以你低下的智慧，你如何判断“圣经”“新
: 约”哪些教导是“word of God”哪些不是？
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 16
请回答：
1）你家“全知全能”的主子能不能保证“圣经”的记录/传播/翻译不出错误？
2）是你的智慧高还是你家主子的智慧高？你凭什么判断“圣经”那些你认为是错误的
地方是错误？你的判断有没有可能是错误的？
【在 j*****5 的大作中提到】
: No, you are wrong again.
: 圣经 is not edited or printed by God, but by man.
: So 圣经 has some wisdom that belong to God, but not all wisdom belong to God
: , some wisdom belong to men.
: Some people (Christians included) think we can not tell right from wrong, we
: must follow every word in the 圣经.
: That's a misunderstanding about 圣经.
: We can tell right from wrong, big from small, important from trivial.
: We just have to feed ourselves with knowledge and wisdom from all over the
: world, from all history, then we can pick the right choices.
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