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TexasHoldem版 - 讨论现场两手牌
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p****0
发帖数: 611
1
Hand 1:already played couple hours. Game dynamics was normal, no extreme
wild move, not too loose, not too tight. All players know each other. Hero
's image was semi-tight. Hero had stack about 600.
UTG: hero
MP: villain, tight player in general, can make move sometime, capable of
read. stack 1300ish
BTN: old nittish guy. had stack about 400ish
BB: young guy with short stack of 100ish
Preflop: Hero hold KhKd led out 15. MP called. BTN raised to 50. BB, hero
and MP called.
Flop: AcJc6d. Hero check. MP led out 75. BTN fold. BB called. Hero called
Turn: Td (correction in original post, not Tc). Hero check. MP led out 125.
Hero?
Hand 2: different session. hero had stack of 800ish. Villain is a normal
guy, able to make move, had stack about 500ish.
Preflop: hero hold KQ limped in. Villain at BTN raised to 15. Hero called.
Flop: QT6r. Hero check. BTN led out 35. hero called. Turn T. hero check.
BTN led out 65. hero called. River blank. hero tank. BTN had 400ish left.
hero figure if check here, BTN may led out big and it's hard for hero to
call with Q unless hero put him on bluff. On the turn, hero put villain on
value bet with T, value bet bluff with middle pair, value bet bluff with
drawing hand, and pure bluff. So hero decided to block bet 80. BTN tank
tank tank. Hero knew he could make a move to bluff. Hero then started to
talk, said you either fold and shove all in. Then BTN sanp fold. What
should be the optimal play here?
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
2
珍珠哥太牛了,靠嘴皮子就能赢.

Hero
hero

【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1:already played couple hours. Game dynamics was normal, no extreme
: wild move, not too loose, not too tight. All players know each other. Hero
: 's image was semi-tight. Hero had stack about 600.
: UTG: hero
: MP: villain, tight player in general, can make move sometime, capable of
: read. stack 1300ish
: BTN: old nittish guy. had stack about 400ish
: BB: young guy with short stack of 100ish
: Preflop: Hero hold KhKd led out 15. MP called. BTN raised to 50. BB, hero
: and MP called.

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
3
hand 1,To me, it is not a good spot to make move unless you were pretty sure
the aggressor holds weak ace and the original raiser had QQ/KK. 即便如此,
MP的small 2nd barrel感觉基本上做好了除了OR之外,接其他人shove的准备。just my
2c
hand 2,
value bet bluff --- lol
如果对手是normal guy的话,也就是用ABC来考虑,我觉得这个river的lead out没什么
问题,当然,既然打到这里,我更喜欢check/call small 3rd barrel 或者check/fold
给huge 3rd barrel。另外,提一点,根据我的经验,大多数normal玩家,在最后一个
action,陷入长考,基本上他们的牌力不会太强。
p****0
发帖数: 611
4
青虫哥过奖,现场其实有很多tell,还可以talk into fold, induce bluff, etc.
觉得比online有趣多了。 这也是为什么我对online提不起太多兴趣的原因。

【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 珍珠哥太牛了,靠嘴皮子就能赢.
:
: Hero
: hero

t********t
发帖数: 5415
5
assume 2/5 stake, hand 1 4bet preflop?我可能会check/raise flop,就是为了避
免turn上这种情况...个人觉得hero多数时候已经落后了
hand2同意d神
p****0
发帖数: 611
6
hand 1: 我认为MP是Ax,很可能两个对子。 我的flop check/call range里有draw,
set 的可能。 turn T 使得牌面有顺子的可能了。 我check,MP 继续thin value led
out,让我认为他不是很想 commit,再加上几把历史交手记录,这个session里他
doubled me up 两次。 另外,MP有点偏nit。 综合以上因素,我check/raise all in
。 MP考虑了半天,最后决定call。 River K。 我说如果你有Q就赢,结果MP说我
called的你。于是我亮出KK,MP was fucked up and showed AJ. 这牌看来这个是bad
move。
Hand 2: 如果我check,这种牌面,当然是要check/call small 3rd barrel, 但是万
一BTN lead out big 3rd barrel, 我就很难办了,所以才bet 80. 另外,BTN陷入长考
是在我led out之后。 这时候我倒是想他3rd barrel big 了。 但是,考虑到BTN的
range 里有那么多bluff hands,我事后还是觉得这牌check/call 可能更好。 所以上
来问问大牛们的意见。


sure
my
fold

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: hand 1,To me, it is not a good spot to make move unless you were pretty sure
: the aggressor holds weak ace and the original raiser had QQ/KK. 即便如此,
: MP的small 2nd barrel感觉基本上做好了除了OR之外,接其他人shove的准备。just my
: 2c
: hand 2,
: value bet bluff --- lol
: 如果对手是normal guy的话,也就是用ABC来考虑,我觉得这个river的lead out没什么
: 问题,当然,既然打到这里,我更喜欢check/call small 3rd barrel 或者check/fold
: 给huge 3rd barrel。另外,提一点,根据我的经验,大多数normal玩家,在最后一个
: action,陷入长考,基本上他们的牌力不会太强。

m****9
发帖数: 492
7
About Hand 1, hand range seems obvious given opponent's image.
hand 2, the river bet sounds good. I would bet big 1/2~2/3 pot instead of 80
. bet 80 out of ~230 gives the opponent to raise bluff if he had determined
to do so.
Also I feel like to occasionally mix with betting 1/2 pot on the turn and
then betting 1/2 pot on the river. If the opponent has a high c-bet rate. To
charge him bluff with air or draw.
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
8
"另外,BTN陷入长考是在我led out之后。 这时候我倒是想他3rd barrel big 了。"
我意思就是在你lead out之后对手陷入长考(一定要很长很长)然后raise very big
,这种情况下多半是一个easy call
W********m
发帖数: 7793
9
“我意思就是在你lead out之后对手陷入长考(一定要很长很长)然后raise very big
fixed for you.
big
p****0
发帖数: 611
10
哈哈哈,这牌如果风暴raise big, I snap call. 如果D神,我easy fold.
话说回来,第二手牌如果是Tx, 也会这么play, 如果是KJ,J9, 这样play 可能也会让
对手fold 一些牌,但是多数情况还是dead money.
所以,还是认为check/call 比较好。

big
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: “我意思就是在你lead out之后对手陷入长考(一定要很长很长)然后raise very big
: fixed for you.
: big

m****9
发帖数: 492
11
check-call definitely sounds better. This probably is the best line to take
at live. My understanding is that the purpose of your river bet is to
prevent river bluff, however with 1/3 pot bet size it makes your perceived
hand range a lot narrower, so the point of betting small is not strong: u
are giving away information and when facing a river raise then you are back
to the same problem.
Bet 1/2-2/3 pot size prevents big bet like >=2/3 and also for thin value
from QJ. In general I am not a fan of blocker-bet at all. A sign of weakness
unless you have mixed it with strong hands before.
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
12
楼上正好提到blocking bet的问题,正好分享一下哥的心得,blocking bet最好不要跟
个人的喜好联系在一起(其实任何一个action都最好不要跟自己的喜好相联系),应该
根据对手风格,game flow来决定要不要blocking bet以及bet size。
比如对上station,或者是桌子的dynamic比较凶悍的时候,拿着medium strong hand去
blocking bet绝对是+EV,但是对上weaktight的对手,如果pot已经被build得很大了,
完全可以check/reevalue。
渐渐的,玩家会发觉,blocking bet在这个特殊的spot上的概念会慢慢模糊,取而代之
的bet for thin value或者是bet induce以及check induce。
玩家越早摆脱“自己不bet,就会让对手觉得示弱的想法”,就越早进入下一个level
my 2 c
m****9
发帖数: 492
13
赞见解

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.1

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 楼上正好提到blocking bet的问题,正好分享一下哥的心得,blocking bet最好不要跟
: 个人的喜好联系在一起(其实任何一个action都最好不要跟自己的喜好相联系),应该
: 根据对手风格,game flow来决定要不要blocking bet以及bet size。
: 比如对上station,或者是桌子的dynamic比较凶悍的时候,拿着medium strong hand去
: blocking bet绝对是+EV,但是对上weaktight的对手,如果pot已经被build得很大了,
: 完全可以check/reevalue。
: 渐渐的,玩家会发觉,blocking bet在这个特殊的spot上的概念会慢慢模糊,取而代之
: 的bet for thin value或者是bet induce以及check induce。
: 玩家越早摆脱“自己不bet,就会让对手觉得示弱的想法”,就越早进入下一个level
: my 2 c

m****9
发帖数: 492
14
因为这么多因素引入 live牌局讨论越来越复杂 很多决定各有各自道理 考虑的因素一
两句话说不清楚 也没法量化 first world problem?
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