R***c
发帖数: 13 | 1 NL100
UTG unknow image $3.5
I was dealt OJs at BB
SB and I called
Flop:9TJ rain bow
SB Check
I bet $3.5
UTG raise $12
SB folded I called
Turn: 8
I bet $15
UTG raised $45 I called
River 2 no flush
I checked UTG raised all in $242 (I had $171 left)
What would you do? |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 I think you should check turn. Now you have a Q written on your face when you lead turn. And you have "i have no KQ" also written on your face after you flat turn raise. The question is whether he is good enough player trying to push you off your Q with a chopped pot. 50% KQ 49.99% Q 0.01%, he is bluffing. You can probably calculate the EV that way.. hehe.. sick spot indeed~ |
p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 3 why you lead that small on turn。。。。
【在 R***c 的大作中提到】
: NL100
: UTG unknow image $3.5
: I was dealt OJs at BB
: SB and I called
: Flop:9TJ rain bow
: SB Check
: I bet $3.5
: UTG raise $12
: SB folded I called
: Turn: 8
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 4 omg，it's Q？ i was wondering what is O in poker, thought he meant T
you lead turn. And you have "i have no KQ" also written on your face after
you flat turn raise. The question is whether he is good enough player
trying to push you off your Q
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I think you should check turn. Now you have a Q written on your face when you lead turn. And you have "i have no KQ" also written on your face after you flat turn raise. The question is whether he is good enough player trying to push you off your Q with a chopped pot. 50% KQ 49.99% Q 0.01%, he is bluffing. You can probably calculate the EV that way.. hehe.. sick spot indeed~
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 just my guess.. lol.. if it is 10J.. probably fold turn.. |
R***c
发帖数: 13 | 6 Typo. QJ...
To your point, there are a lot of durrs who bluff on river but I thought I
had to give him some credit for accumulating $300 on NL100 table. Plus the
pot on turn was only $121 ,I just couldnt call another $177 to catch
remotely possible bluff or 8..
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: omg，it's Q？ i was wondering what is O in poker, thought he meant T
:
: you lead turn. And you have "i have no KQ" also written on your face after
: you flat turn raise. The question is whether he is good enough player
: trying to push you off your Q
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 this is not a spot where people are bluffing normally. but I don't know.
people do weird stuff all the time. My gut feeling is he could have a Q or
KQ. Half half.. |
R***c
发帖数: 13 | 8 Agreed. That's why I folded with tears.
or
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: this is not a spot where people are bluffing normally. but I don't know.
: people do weird stuff all the time. My gut feeling is he could have a Q or
: KQ. Half half..
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 probably a good fold. I don't think he is raising flop with AQ. He either has a set or KQ. now he raise you turn again and shove river. Do you really think he is turning his set into a bluff? very unlikely.
【在 R***c 的大作中提到】
: Agreed. That's why I folded with tears.
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 10 I think the chances for him to have KQ is very thin ...
Well, KQ at a raise pot, got a dream flop like 9TJ rainbow,
Very-Very few ppl will issue a raise to risk the potential profit
by weeping the only opponent away.
Just ask youself would you raise here or not if you were him ...
turn lead small and call raise is probally not so good,
but his river push also is doubtful, 200$ to a 110$ pot,why he risk again
for an easy 60-70$ profit?
I mean,unless he is a really good and trick player, i think you are bluffed
out for a split or won pot.
UTG unknow image $3.5
I was dealt OJs at BB
SB and I called
Flop:9TJ rain bow
SB Check
I bet $3.5
UTG raise $12
SB folded I called
Turn: 8
I bet $15
UTG raised $45 I called
River 2 no flush
I checked UTG raised all in $242 (I had $171 left)
What would you do?
【在 R***c 的大作中提到】
: Agreed. That's why I folded with tears.
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 11 I disagree here. He is initial raiser, flop a str8 draw and two overs. I
woulda raise there. Calling with AQ there is so passive
has a set or KQ. now he raise you turn again and shove river. Do you really
think he is turning his set into a bluff? very unlikely.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: probably a good fold. I don't think he is raising flop with AQ. He either has a set or KQ. now he raise you turn again and shove river. Do you really think he is turning his set into a bluff? very unlikely.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 definitely raise with KQ on the flop with the stack size. There are so many hands in hero's donking range that would just go raise raise all in.
Will he raise with AQ. I don't know. He probably could with that donking sizing. But I really doubt he would with a 3 way pot here. Remember this is a 3 way pot, J109 is such a scary board, it hits a lot of sb and hero's range with 2 pair and sets. Why does he want to raise himself out of pot with position and relatively deep stack? He also can stack a Q when K comes out with a better straight. I really doubt that. Honestly I would rather raise donk bet with AQ on a J27 rainbow board than raising AQ on a J109 board.
On the other hand, I think the 1/3 pot donk bet is where it went wrong here. We should check on the flop. Our hand has show down value also with drawing to the non-nuts straight. In a 3 way pot someone might have a hand on the flop that would raise or check raise us, and bluff us out of the pot. 1/3 pot also looks like we wants to draw. When someone raises, their range could be wide, we just lost direction in the hand. Now if we check, initial raiser bets, we have the relative position which make it easier for us to play post flop. we also check for pot control here. If I were to donk, i would go at least 2/3-3/4th pot here for the semi-bluff reping a much stronger hand and also to force them to play straight forward against us with such a scary board.
Like I said, split pot is possible here, KQ is also possible. I think KQ is slightly more likely. Bluff is almost impossible here~ too sick. |
s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 13 I bet I would call if I lead out turn. O.W. why lead out on turn OOP? |
G********r
发帖数: 666 | 14 quote summerbrook: "why lead out on turn"
quote windstormm: "Our hand has show down value"
request time, check his stats... if nothing gives a hint, try to control pot
size for a show down. |
G********r
发帖数: 666 | 15 assuming UTG raiser is a decent regular at NL100, I think it could have been
a chopped pot (70% with QQ), a won one (20% with JJ or TT), or a lost one (
10% with KQ). all possibilities considered.
as a separte topic, do you guys make PF raises to 3.5bb from UTG with KQ, s
or o? |
