i****r
发帖数: 1803 | 1 最近想开始学习WPF的开发，请大牛们推荐一本好书。
多谢！ |
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 2
You probably wanna wait after MSFT shipping Win8. They are upgrading
WPF and SilverLight to sth new in line with their METRO approach.
【在 i****r 的大作中提到】
: 最近想开始学习WPF的开发，请大牛们推荐一本好书。
: 多谢！
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 3 You mean wait another year? I think OP may as well start
looking at Android/iOS development instead.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
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: You probably wanna wait after MSFT shipping Win8. They are upgrading
: WPF and SilverLight to sth new in line with their METRO approach.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 4
Why would any developers be interested in the fragmentation hell known
as Android?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: You mean wait another year? I think OP may as well start
: looking at Android/iOS development instead.
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L******e
发帖数: 136 | 5 WPF unleashed
WPF custom control development unleashed
Best of all WPF books! |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 6 One picture is worth one thousand arguments.
There are more users than WP7 in any fragment of Android system.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Why would any developers be interested in the fragmentation hell known
: as Android?
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i****r
发帖数: 1803 | 7 这本？你说的那个找不到。
WPF Control Development Unleashed: Building Advanced User Experiences
http://www.amazon.com/WPF-Control-Development-Unleashed-Experie |
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 8
More than half of that Android share is actually free give-away phones
that don't even have a data plan. Good luck getting any Android Apps
sold to those users.
The remaining half was divided into different versions and vendors. So
an App developer has to write once and then customize everywhere. Good
luck attracting lots developers that way.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: One picture is worth one thousand arguments.
: There are more users than WP7 in any fragment of Android system.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 9 You don't know nothing about java development on Android.
Most Android apps work from 2.x to 4.x. Granted, an app may
not be optimized for both phone and tablet. But it works,
and many apps have already optimized for both. Or 2 different
apps can be released for different platform, like iOS. Built
in filter is there too.
And for a glimpse of developers' interest, it's just opposite
of what you think.
http://allthingsd.com/20110803/apples-iphone-and-googles-androi
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
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: More than half of that Android share is actually free give-away phones
: that don't even have a data plan. Good luck getting any Android Apps
: sold to those users.
: The remaining half was divided into different versions and vendors. So
: an App developer has to write once and then customize everywhere. Good
: luck attracting lots developers that way.
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t****t
发帖数: 6806 | |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 11 Funny now you switched to "Enterprise" market to paint Android as some
kind favorite. I can cook stats to put WP7 as the winner that way. In
fact there are already surveys showing WP7 as more developer-friendly,
which is true. One of them interestingly picks Mono for Android, which
is .Net, as the best framework on Android platform.
Android's popularity is simply a spamming campaign created by these
vendors each intentionally fragments the platform so they can have a
unique offering that separates from others. It's great for vendors but
terrible for the developers.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: You don't know nothing about java development on Android.
: Most Android apps work from 2.x to 4.x. Granted, an app may
: not be optimized for both phone and tablet. But it works,
: and many apps have already optimized for both. Or 2 different
: apps can be released for different platform, like iOS. Built
: in filter is there too.
: And for a glimpse of developers' interest, it's just opposite
: of what you think.
: http://allthingsd.com/20110803/apples-iphone-and-googles-androi
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L******e
发帖数: 136 | 12 yes.
【在 i****r 的大作中提到】
: 这本？你说的那个找不到。
: WPF Control Development Unleashed: Building Advanced User Experiences
: http://www.amazon.com/WPF-Control-Development-Unleashed-Experie
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 13 I said a glimpse. And I just take a random hit from google.
If you want a more generic survey, there are plenty of them too,
here is one.
http://androidcommunity.com/android-gets-more-it-developer-inte
Funny you can't show me a reference of opposite survey independent of M$
and keep talking about them. If anything, when it comes to prediction,
history is not on your side.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: Funny now you switched to "Enterprise" market to paint Android as some
: kind favorite. I can cook stats to put WP7 as the winner that way. In
: fact there are already surveys showing WP7 as more developer-friendly,
: which is true. One of them interestingly picks Mono for Android, which
: is .Net, as the best framework on Android platform.
: Android's popularity is simply a spamming campaign created by these
: vendors each intentionally fragments the platform so they can have a
: unique offering that separates from others. It's great for vendors but
: terrible for the developers.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 14
So you are presenting a survey from "androidcommunity.com" as "generic"
proof and then accuse me of using MSFT influenced stats? Are you trying
to be humorous?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: I said a glimpse. And I just take a random hit from google.
: If you want a more generic survey, there are plenty of them too,
: here is one.
: http://androidcommunity.com/android-gets-more-it-developer-inte
: Funny you can't show me a reference of opposite survey independent of M$
: and keep talking about them. If anything, when it comes to prediction,
: history is not on your side.
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c***r
发帖数: 4631 | 15 铺张报纸坐地上。
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: 搬板凳围观中.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 16 if you'd spare a minute on the article, it's talking about a survey by IBM
, and we all know IBM is no longer a player in consumer market. And what m$
sponsored survey you have there? all we know is M$ launched a funeral
celebration for iPhone a year ago and its market share was down from 10%+ to
1% today. Maybe M$ employees should respect the opponents before they get
respected
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: So you are presenting a survey from "androidcommunity.com" as "generic"
: proof and then accuse me of using MSFT influenced stats? Are you trying
: to be humorous?
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 17 Here's some real GENERIC report posted on ZDNET. Not top of the market
yet but not bad for a 1.0 product. |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 18 Right, except windows phone market share is down from 10%+ a year
to 1% now. Everybody not M$ employee and their grandma is moving
away from it by their action. 55% satisfaction is way too low in
such a group. Now we have a classic case of cooked stats. Even the
daughter of Bill Gates is saying no to it,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080178/Is-iPhone-Bill-
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: Here's some real GENERIC report posted on ZDNET. Not top of the market
: yet but not bad for a 1.0 product.
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a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 19 又来？
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: You don't know nothing about java development on Android.
: Most Android apps work from 2.x to 4.x. Granted, an app may
: not be optimized for both phone and tablet. But it works,
: and many apps have already optimized for both. Or 2 different
: apps can be released for different platform, like iOS. Built
: in filter is there too.
: And for a glimpse of developers' interest, it's just opposite
: of what you think.
: http://allthingsd.com/20110803/apples-iphone-and-googles-androi
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 20 学啥别学屠龙技，推荐SL不是害人吗。
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 又来？
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a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 21 其实也没啥。卖刀的东西换汤不换药。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 学啥别学屠龙技，推荐SL不是害人吗。
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 22
If 55% is too low then what does it mean for Android's sub-50% ratings
then? Shouldn't you stop throwing stones while living inside a glass
house? WP7 low percentage for now is simply a 1.0 symptom that takes
a little time for the hardware vendors to pick up.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Right, except windows phone market share is down from 10%+ a year
: to 1% now. Everybody not M$ employee and their grandma is moving
: away from it by their action. 55% satisfaction is way too low in
: such a group. Now we have a classic case of cooked stats. Even the
: daughter of Bill Gates is saying no to it,
: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080178/Is-iPhone-Bill-
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 23
Win8's METRO is indeed based on WPF and SL. It's actually you that are
misleading others.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 学啥别学屠龙技，推荐SL不是害人吗。
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 24 Let's get all things into perspective, you recommended SL on 08,
and we all know how many jobs it has created since. Metro UI's
success is a suspect at best. People would have starved while
waiting for your next big thing.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Win8's METRO is indeed based on WPF and SL. It's actually you that are
: misleading others.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 25 90%+ of windows phone users a year ago didn't give it a second
chance this year, and you'd still boast average rating? Even
Samsung's new and shabby Bada gets a bigger share, the pickup excuse
goes nowhere.
This conversation is over.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Win8's METRO is indeed based on WPF and SL. It's actually you that are
: misleading others.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 26
SL not only has created the WP platform but also is creating the Win8
METRO platform. It's the central piece of MSFT client-side solution.
So what's so bad about it?
You on the other hand have insisted HTML/JS thin client to be a better
option and what's the score card so far? Let's see: ChromeOS - a bust.
WebOS - a bust. Google Apps - No one in their right mind wants to pay
for them. Google themselves is giving up on Javascript... ...
Those who had been misled by people like you into the thin client world
were wasting their time. It's way better to pick a real rich platform
like what I've been saying to work on than chasing thin client bubbles.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Let's get all things into perspective, you recommended SL on 08,
: and we all know how many jobs it has created since. Metro UI's
: success is a suspect at best. People would have starved while
: waiting for your next big thing.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 27
Right... I'm sure you have got it from another "generic" survey, huh?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 90%+ of windows phone users a year ago didn't give it a second
: chance this year, and you'd still boast average rating? Even
: Samsung's new and shabby Bada gets a bigger share, the pickup excuse
: goes nowhere.
: This conversation is over.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 28 What? Wake up. at least 95% of websites are running HTML/JS today,
and they didn't hire developers to make them or what? Many of them
have a flash or two, but SL is nowhere to be seen.
And the percentage of SL websites?
http://www.indeed.com/trendgraph/jobgraph.png?q=javascript%2C+silverlight=
From 2008 to date, javascripts increases from roughly 1.1% to 2.1%
of job requirements today. And Sliverlight, 0-0.25%. Thin client
bubble, LOL. Don't make up lies to save face. HTML5 has beaten SL
in this regard BTW.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Right... I'm sure you have got it from another "generic" survey, huh?
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i*****o
发帖数: 1714 | 29 Because for most apps, it is not too much trouble to deal with the
fragmentation issue.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
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: Right... I'm sure you have got it from another "generic" survey, huh?
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a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 30 俺现在关心nfl.com是啥做的。跟屎一样。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: What? Wake up. at least 95% of websites are running HTML/JS today,
: and they didn't hire developers to make them or what? Many of them
: have a flash or two, but SL is nowhere to be seen.
: And the percentage of SL websites?
: http://www.indeed.com/trendgraph/jobgraph.png?q=javascript%2C+silverlight=
: From 2008 to date, javascripts increases from roughly 1.1% to 2.1%
: of job requirements today. And Sliverlight, 0-0.25%. Thin client
: bubble, LOL. Don't make up lies to save face. HTML5 has beaten SL
: in this regard BTW.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 31
Yeah let's wake up, shall we? What is it you do not understand that
"Google has given up on Javascript" - https://gist.github.com/1208618
For years I've been steadily and precisely pointing out Javascript is
neither efficient nor productive enough to be a robust language for
real world development and yet you constantly come out with all sorts
of spins to paint HTML/JS as if some kinda sound solution.
Guess what now? Google has come clean declaring "Neverlearn was right.
We were wrong." Let's see what they confessed in the email: "inherent
performance problems" - exactly my point about low efficiency, and
"cannot be tooled" - exactly my point about bad productivity.
HTML/JS is a ship to nowhere. Now even their captain is leaving and you
are still trying to mislead people onto it.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: What? Wake up. at least 95% of websites are running HTML/JS today,
: and they didn't hire developers to make them or what? Many of them
: have a flash or two, but SL is nowhere to be seen.
: And the percentage of SL websites?
: http://www.indeed.com/trendgraph/jobgraph.png?q=javascript%2C+silverlight=
: From 2008 to date, javascripts increases from roughly 1.1% to 2.1%
: of job requirements today. And Sliverlight, 0-0.25%. Thin client
: bubble, LOL. Don't make up lies to save face. HTML5 has beaten SL
: in this regard BTW.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 32 LOL, what are you smoking? It must be good.
Google said JS has technical flaw that can't be fixed,
which I don't disagree. But that doesn't stop people from
using it. It's not like you'll hit such problem in every
project. It's just like Java has GC, and GC increase latency,
that's not gonna be fixed, and make Java inappropriate for certain
projects. But it'd be absurd to think people would stop using
Java for that reason.
There are 95%+ websites dominated by html/javascript, not
Flash/SL/Java FX kind of RIA. We call that proven solution.
At the end of the day, people learn skills to get a job,
and the job requirement data is there. Javascript can be
the worst technical ever, but as long as you get paid, it's
still better than the golden silverlight that starves you.
It's OK to be wrong, like you've always been, don't be childish
and play troll here.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Yeah let's wake up, shall we? What is it you do not understand that
: "Google has given up on Javascript" - https://gist.github.com/1208618
: For years I've been steadily and precisely pointing out Javascript is
: neither efficient nor productive enough to be a robust language for
: real world development and yet you constantly come out with all sorts
: of spins to paint HTML/JS as if some kinda sound solution.
: Guess what now? Google has come clean declaring "Neverlearn was right.
: We were wrong." Let's see what they confessed in the email: "inherent
: performance problems" - exactly my point about low efficiency, and
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s***o
发帖数: 2191 | 33 md, 这一阵子光忙着看桑兰演闹剧，竟然看不懂你们在说啥了 |
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 34
Sure, proven solution. So "proven" that Google decides to give it up?
Q: How do you prove the ship is sinking?
A: You see the captain is exiting like how Google treats JS now.
On the other hand SL/WPF/XAML are not only the foundation of Windows
Phone but also the core of Win8 METRO. That's real "proven".
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: LOL, what are you smoking? It must be good.
: Google said JS has technical flaw that can't be fixed,
: which I don't disagree. But that doesn't stop people from
: using it. It's not like you'll hit such problem in every
: project. It's just like Java has GC, and GC increase latency,
: that's not gonna be fixed, and make Java inappropriate for certain
: projects. But it'd be absurd to think people would stop using
: Java for that reason.
: There are 95%+ websites dominated by html/javascript, not
: Flash/SL/Java FX kind of RIA. We call that proven solution.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 35 And a few words about Html/JS skills getting jobs. For any serious kind
web development work the focus is always on the server side. Html/JS at
the client-side has to take a backseat simply b/c it cannot do much.
People doing the hiring care mostly what kind of server side security,
performance, scalability, coupling, caching and so on you can come up
with. It's after that they might ask a few extra Html/JS questions.
If all your skill set is Html/JS, you can get a job but at the lower
end. That's the reality. |
y***d
发帖数: 2330 | 36 啊？Google give up HTML 了？
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: And a few words about Html/JS skills getting jobs. For any serious kind
: web development work the focus is always on the server side. Html/JS at
: the client-side has to take a backseat simply b/c it cannot do much.
: People doing the hiring care mostly what kind of server side security,
: performance, scalability, coupling, caching and so on you can come up
: with. It's after that they might ask a few extra Html/JS questions.
: If all your skill set is Html/JS, you can get a job but at the lower
: end. That's the reality.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 37 And exactly which google web-based product is not in html+js?
And so much about SL being foundation of win8 or whatever, except
after 4 years hype, only 0.25% of jobs mention it. That's a lot
of investment and no profit.
You are making yourself a joke.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: And a few words about Html/JS skills getting jobs. For any serious kind
: web development work the focus is always on the server side. Html/JS at
: the client-side has to take a backseat simply b/c it cannot do much.
: People doing the hiring care mostly what kind of server side security,
: performance, scalability, coupling, caching and so on you can come up
: with. It's after that they might ask a few extra Html/JS questions.
: If all your skill set is Html/JS, you can get a job but at the lower
: end. That's the reality.
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t****t
发帖数: 6806 | 38 唉, 围观了半天还是那两句车轱辘话来回说啊, 没什么新意... |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 39 Dead horse is dead, ego is hurt.
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: 唉, 围观了半天还是那两句车轱辘话来回说啊, 没什么新意...
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s***o
发帖数: 2191 | 40 Pro WPF in C# 2010 by Matthew MacDonald should be a good start point
【在 i****r 的大作中提到】
: 最近想开始学习WPF的开发，请大牛们推荐一本好书。
: 多谢！
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i****r
发帖数: 1803 | 41 thanks!
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: Pro WPF in C# 2010 by Matthew MacDonald should be a good start point
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o****e
发帖数: 916 | 42 what an interesting debate. OP is asking for WPF, and you guys are killing
each other debating over SL. Yes, SL is dead, JS is the king in web. But
wake up, in enterprise market, .net,c#,WPF is clearly in up trend. Don't
tell me everything will be moved to cloud...
back to WPF, I think any book has its pros and cons, based on your level. I
read WPF 4 unleashed, which is a decent entry level wpf book. after all,
reading book and programming are very different thing. codeprojects.com,
codeplex, stackoverflow.com, google... are way more useful than any book
when you do real projects. |
