o********r
发帖数: 90 | 1 http://b83c73bcf0e7ca356c80-e8560f466940e4ec38ed51af32994bc6.r6
Chart 15 , 128 matched last year, 252 unmatched. Match rate was about 33%.
Probably a few prematched not included but far more had no IV, therefore,
not included in unmatched.
45 in IM, 40 in pathology. Match rate is lower than Indian and Pakistan
graduates. A lot good information here and may help you to guide your study
and application. |
p*****2
发帖数: 226 | 2 Thanks for sharing, Oldbrother.
I remembered two years ago 300 CMGs matched, but this time only 128.
Situation is getting worse. |
a***r
发帖数: 2677 | |
l*******d
发帖数: 449 | 4 今年 拿面试的就减少很多 match率还要下降
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 a***r 的大作中提到】
: 实际MATCH率能有15%就不错了。
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r******y
发帖数: 146 | 5 Thanks for sharing! Very informative! While trying to be optimistic, we
fellow CMGs need to be realistic. |
o********r
发帖数: 90 | 6 Folks, I did not intend to discourage you. Instead, I think we should use
this information to guide your study and application. Here are my two cents.
First, low scores (<210) and attempts are killers. However, high scores do
not give us much advantage either. No need to chase extremely high scores
unless it is easy for you. Second, most unmatched applicants only had one or
two continuous ranking in one specialty. Once the ranking number is ＞3,
the match rate increased dramatically. So, pick one speciality and focus on
it. It is more likely to succeed if you focus on one specialty. |
o********r
发帖数: 90 | 7 Clarification, certainly the higher score the better. But do not sacrifice
observation time and chance to finish step 3 for just a few points more. |
o********r
发帖数: 193 | 8 Good point!!!
【在 o********r 的大作中提到】
: Clarification, certainly the higher score the better. But do not sacrifice
: observation time and chance to finish step 3 for just a few points more.
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r*******y
发帖数: 97 | 9 有一个问题，cmg好像match上了～120个，im45个，path40ge，anes，peds，neuro，fm
都没有，那剩下的40个cmg都match到什么科了？都是prelim？
study
【在 o********r 的大作中提到】
: http://b83c73bcf0e7ca356c80-e8560f466940e4ec38ed51af32994bc6.r6
: Chart 15 , 128 matched last year, 252 unmatched. Match rate was about 33%.
: Probably a few prematched not included but far more had no IV, therefore,
: not included in unmatched.
: 45 in IM, 40 in pathology. Match rate is lower than Indian and Pakistan
: graduates. A lot good information here and may help you to guide your study
: and application.
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y****z
发帖数: 27 | 10 if one ranks more than one specialties, what about the odd of match
comparing with one specialty ?
here are the interesting data according to nrmp
2 neuro rankings=35% match rate, 6 neurology rankings =75%
3 internal medicine rankings =40%; 6 internal medicine rankings = 60%
6 pathology = 60%.
Here comes the interesting calculation.
if one has 2 interviews in neurology and 3 interviews in internal medicine,
the odd of matching is 35% + 40% =75%. Isn't it ?
Comparing with 5 or 6 internal medicine interviews alone, ranking with two
specialties appears to give higher match chance.
Am I wrong or right ? |
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o********r
发帖数: 90 | 11 不是没有，数目小于10 都没显示。没上的超过十就显示了。不是说一个都没上。你看
其它国家也这样。
fm
【在 r*******y 的大作中提到】
: 有一个问题，cmg好像match上了～120个，im45个，path40ge，anes，peds，neuro，fm
: 都没有，那剩下的40个cmg都match到什么科了？都是prelim？
:
: study
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m*******1
发帖数: 328 | 12 有很多人连面试压根都没有，我本人认识的这样的朋友就不下4个，所以根本就没有注
册NMRP机会。实际上分母应该ERAS申请的人。CMG的match率估计在25%左右。
我觉得为什么CMG相对其他国家的match率这么低？主要是毕业时间太长了。绝大部分申
请的时候都已经超多了10年。英语和文化的欠缺相对于GOY相比要相对其次的。 佐证：
那些从国内直接申请的同学几乎对美国的了解仅限于电视。但是，分高的小同学收到的
面试非常多，据悉有些都收到20多个。 |
o********r
发帖数: 90 | 13 You can not add the probability like that. For instance, you have 2 IVs in
both pathology and neurology. Your match probability is 1-(0.7x0.6), which
is about 0.6. However, if you have 4 IVs in one speciality, your probability
reaches around 0.75. Internal medicine needs more IVs to reach that level.
So, if you can get 4-5 IVs in each specialty, then multiple specialities
will help me increase the matching probability. Otherwise, focus on one
speciality. The overall matching rate for applicants ranked more than one
speciality is lower that who only applied one specialty. Certainly, it may
be because people have defects in the package apply more to increase the
likelihood to be matched. So, it could just be the result, not the cause.
,
【在 y****z 的大作中提到】
: if one ranks more than one specialties, what about the odd of match
: comparing with one specialty ?
: here are the interesting data according to nrmp
: 2 neuro rankings=35% match rate, 6 neurology rankings =75%
: 3 internal medicine rankings =40%; 6 internal medicine rankings = 60%
: 6 pathology = 60%.
: Here comes the interesting calculation.
: if one has 2 interviews in neurology and 3 interviews in internal medicine,
: the odd of matching is 35% + 40% =75%. Isn't it ?
: Comparing with 5 or 6 internal medicine interviews alone, ranking with two
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o********r
发帖数: 90 | 14 Agree, why so many Chinese in pathology? Pathology does not care YOG that
much. It has longest YOG among all specialities. YOG is the weakest point
for our CMG fellows. Please spread the words to young graduates, do it as
early as possible. A PH.d degree will gain you nothing compared to the years
you lost for earning it.
【在 m*******1 的大作中提到】
: 有很多人连面试压根都没有，我本人认识的这样的朋友就不下4个，所以根本就没有注
: 册NMRP机会。实际上分母应该ERAS申请的人。CMG的match率估计在25%左右。
: 我觉得为什么CMG相对其他国家的match率这么低？主要是毕业时间太长了。绝大部分申
: 请的时候都已经超多了10年。英语和文化的欠缺相对于GOY相比要相对其次的。 佐证：
: 那些从国内直接申请的同学几乎对美国的了解仅限于电视。但是，分高的小同学收到的
: 面试非常多，据悉有些都收到20多个。
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y****z
发帖数: 27 | 15 The order in the list should not affect the probability of match.
For instance, you rank IM as #1 and #2, and neurology as #3 and #4. Your
probability to match for 2 IM is 35%, and that of 2 neurology is also 35% (?
?)
Not sure how the match works, it should run the match for IM first, so you
get 35% chance. Then it will run your #3 and #4 positions for neurology
program. what odds you have here ?
We need to know how the match system works.
probability
.
【在 o********r 的大作中提到】
: You can not add the probability like that. For instance, you have 2 IVs in
: both pathology and neurology. Your match probability is 1-(0.7x0.6), which
: is about 0.6. However, if you have 4 IVs in one speciality, your probability
: reaches around 0.75. Internal medicine needs more IVs to reach that level.
: So, if you can get 4-5 IVs in each specialty, then multiple specialities
: will help me increase the matching probability. Otherwise, focus on one
: speciality. The overall matching rate for applicants ranked more than one
: speciality is lower that who only applied one specialty. Certainly, it may
: be because people have defects in the package apply more to increase the
: likelihood to be matched. So, it could just be the result, not the cause.
|
o********r
发帖数: 90 | 16 The order does not matter. But you can not assume 2 ranking get 35%. If so,
you only need 6 IVs to get 100%. This is a basic math problem. Try to think
about the unmatching rate, instead of matching rate.
If you only can get 6 IVs, all in one specialty is much better than 2 each
in 3 specialities.
(?
【在 y****z 的大作中提到】
: The order in the list should not affect the probability of match.
: For instance, you rank IM as #1 and #2, and neurology as #3 and #4. Your
: probability to match for 2 IM is 35%, and that of 2 neurology is also 35% (?
: ?)
: Not sure how the match works, it should run the match for IM first, so you
: get 35% chance. Then it will run your #3 and #4 positions for neurology
: program. what odds you have here ?
: We need to know how the match system works.
:
: probability
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y*****y
发帖数: 86 | 17 yes, your algorism and calculation are both correct. but the fact is that if
you try to match into two different specialties, the chances of you getting
into any one of them decreases dramatically. well, if you are interviewing
for im + neuro maybe it is not that bad, but for im + path maybe the two
specialties have too little in common...
both
【在 y****z 的大作中提到】
: The order in the list should not affect the probability of match.
: For instance, you rank IM as #1 and #2, and neurology as #3 and #4. Your
: probability to match for 2 IM is 35%, and that of 2 neurology is also 35% (?
: ?)
: Not sure how the match works, it should run the match for IM first, so you
: get 35% chance. Then it will run your #3 and #4 positions for neurology
: program. what odds you have here ?
: We need to know how the match system works.
:
: probability
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b*******s
发帖数: 954 | 18 “Second, most unmatched applicants only had one or
two continuous ranking in one specialty. Once the ranking number is ＞3,
the match rate increased dramatically.”
可以再解释一下这几句话是什么意思吗？什么是Continuous ranking? 什么是ranking
number?
多谢！ |
o********r
发帖数: 90 | 19 同一专业的ranking is called continuous ranking because 中间其它专业已经去掉
了。这个数就是你在个专业表上看到的数字。大部分失败者只有1-2个ranking number.
我想说的是申请多个科，每科只有1-2个IV不如就一个科有3-4IV 来的稳当。当然你每
科都有6个IV或以上，申请多个科会更稳当。
ranking
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: “Second, most unmatched applicants only had one or
: two continuous ranking in one specialty. Once the ranking number is ＞3,
: the match rate increased dramatically.”
: 可以再解释一下这几句话是什么意思吗？什么是Continuous ranking? 什么是ranking
: number?
: 多谢！
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b*******s
发帖数: 954 | 20 哦，知道你的意思了。
就是说如果对两个科都没有把握的话，不如把时间，精力，和钱花在一个科上，尽量在
这一个科拿到至少3-4个IV, 对吧。
number.
【在 o********r 的大作中提到】
: 同一专业的ranking is called continuous ranking because 中间其它专业已经去掉
: 了。这个数就是你在个专业表上看到的数字。大部分失败者只有1-2个ranking number.
: 我想说的是申请多个科，每科只有1-2个IV不如就一个科有3-4IV 来的稳当。当然你每
: 科都有6个IV或以上，申请多个科会更稳当。
:
: ranking
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o********r
发帖数: 90 | 21 正是如此。比如其它条件不过硬，可以多做几个OB。但是不要家庭，内科，精神 和病
理各作一个。
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 哦，知道你的意思了。
: 就是说如果对两个科都没有把握的话，不如把时间，精力，和钱花在一个科上，尽量在
: 这一个科拿到至少3-4个IV, 对吧。
:
: number.
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b*******s
发帖数: 954 | 22 就是说，比如先自己定下来是精神科，然后在几个不同的医院多做几个OB吗？谢谢。
【在 o********r 的大作中提到】
: 正是如此。比如其它条件不过硬，可以多做几个OB。但是不要家庭，内科，精神 和病
: 理各作一个。
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o********r
发帖数: 90 | 23 正是，这些医院就可能给你IV，然后你认识的医生有可能帮你找到几个联系，最后你申
请时也显得诚心。说不定面试时还能与面试人扯点关系。我们最大的问题是申请人太多
，你的材料压根没几个人看过。
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 就是说，比如先自己定下来是精神科，然后在几个不同的医院多做几个OB吗？谢谢。
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b*******s
发帖数: 954 | 24 哦。让我总结一下你的看法。
比方说，因为申请人太多，我的材料根本没人看过，更别提拿到面试了。但是如果在这
个医院做过OB的话，就可以通过connections争取到面试的机会. 一个人的时间经历有
限，如果同时选了精神科和内科，各做两个OB, 各拿两个面试；不如只选精神科，做四
个OB, 这样match上的概率更大。因为像你说的，大部分没有match上的人只有一个或两
个continunous ranking (同一个科的ranking).
当然如果能有六个精神科的面试和六个内科的面试，那match的概率是很高的。但是对
我们来说，如果只有做OB才有比较大的可能性拿到面试的话，一年内在精神科和在内科
各做六个OB明显是mission impossible. 对吧?
另外还有一个小问题，一个面试就相当于是一个ranking, 是这样吗？
谢谢！
【在 o********r 的大作中提到】
: 正是，这些医院就可能给你IV，然后你认识的医生有可能帮你找到几个联系，最后你申
: 请时也显得诚心。说不定面试时还能与面试人扯点关系。我们最大的问题是申请人太多
: ，你的材料压根没几个人看过。
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o********r
发帖数: 90 | 25 六个OB不太现实，但是2-3个非常可行。一个IV当然不等于一个rank,因为你可以不rank
他们。但是对我们大多数来说不会这么做 |
b*******s
发帖数: 954 | 26 哦，谢谢 :)
rank
【在 o********r 的大作中提到】
: 六个OB不太现实，但是2-3个非常可行。一个IV当然不等于一个rank,因为你可以不rank
: 他们。但是对我们大多数来说不会这么做
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y*****y
发帖数: 86 | 27 没有iv你也可以rank，只要你报过名
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 哦。让我总结一下你的看法。
: 比方说，因为申请人太多，我的材料根本没人看过，更别提拿到面试了。但是如果在这
: 个医院做过OB的话，就可以通过connections争取到面试的机会. 一个人的时间经历有
: 限，如果同时选了精神科和内科，各做两个OB, 各拿两个面试；不如只选精神科，做四
: 个OB, 这样match上的概率更大。因为像你说的，大部分没有match上的人只有一个或两
: 个continunous ranking (同一个科的ranking).
: 当然如果能有六个精神科的面试和六个内科的面试，那match的概率是很高的。但是对
: 我们来说，如果只有做OB才有比较大的可能性拿到面试的话，一年内在精神科和在内科
: 各做六个OB明显是mission impossible. 对吧?
: 另外还有一个小问题，一个面试就相当于是一个ranking, 是这样吗？
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p***1
发帖数: 272 | 28 老中比其他族裔低，有个很大原因是老中attending 出手少。
study
【在 o********r 的大作中提到】
: http://b83c73bcf0e7ca356c80-e8560f466940e4ec38ed51af32994bc6.r6
: Chart 15 , 128 matched last year, 252 unmatched. Match rate was about 33%.
: Probably a few prematched not included but far more had no IV, therefore,
: not included in unmatched.
: 45 in IM, 40 in pathology. Match rate is lower than Indian and Pakistan
: graduates. A lot good information here and may help you to guide your study
: and application.
|
J*********4
发帖数: 1274 | 29
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真的？怎么操作啊，哪个Program会要呢？
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: 没有iv你也可以rank，只要你报过名
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o********r
发帖数: 90 | 30 You can rank any program but there will be no rank unless they rank you too.
Somebody do that just for fun. You can see a few people have ranked more
than 15 programs without a match.
【在 J*********4 的大作中提到】
:
: ============
: 真的？怎么操作啊，哪个Program会要呢？
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x********2
发帖数: 326 | |
C****1
发帖数: 89 | 32 Am I the only person who can not open the link in the first post?
Thanks. |
o********r
发帖数: 90 | 33 http://b83c73bcf0e7ca356c80-e8560f466940e4ec38ed51af32994bc6.r6
【在 C****1 的大作中提到】
: Am I the only person who can not open the link in the first post?
: Thanks.
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