o*******s
发帖数: 1375 | 1 99%的学生明明对科研没什么兴趣，却在Personal Statement中吹得天花乱坠，大家是
怎么想的？
这属于欺骗行为吗？ |
e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 2 有啥好想的，
觉得不合适就不招
毛用没有的东西招人也是害人
【在 o*******s 的大作中提到】
: 99%的学生明明对科研没什么兴趣，却在Personal Statement中吹得天花乱坠，大家是
: 怎么想的？
: 这属于欺骗行为吗？
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b*******r
发帖数: 1380 | 3 不知道lz当初申请时PS是怎么写的？
【在 o*******s 的大作中提到】
: 99%的学生明明对科研没什么兴趣，却在Personal Statement中吹得天花乱坠，大家是
: 怎么想的？
: 这属于欺骗行为吗？
|
h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 4 First, I do not think it is as common as 99%.
Second, although sometimes interview helps, there is almost no way to tell f
alse interest in advance. The only thing that can be done is to kick them ou
t whenever later find them to have no passion for academic research.
Btw, I was a grad student before, and always thought some trash grad student
s should be kicked out of grad school.
【在 o*******s 的大作中提到】
: 99%的学生明明对科研没什么兴趣，却在Personal Statement中吹得天花乱坠，大家是
: 怎么想的？
: 这属于欺骗行为吗？
|
e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 5 就是个job的跳板而已，
非要拔高到啥高度，其实没有啥意义
99%来找工作，so what,只要能完成他应该做的工作就行，
kick out不kick out,其实你做的那些工作，70%都没有啥用，一堆废纸
f
ou
student
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: First, I do not think it is as common as 99%.
: Second, although sometimes interview helps, there is almost no way to tell f
: alse interest in advance. The only thing that can be done is to kick them ou
: t whenever later find them to have no passion for academic research.
: Btw, I was a grad student before, and always thought some trash grad student
: s should be kicked out of grad school.
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h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 6 Simply cannot get it.
I assume Phd students to be future faculty or good private/govt
researchers rather than workers.
If this is true for an indidivual student, stay and I would be happy to advi
se. Otherwise, go to the toilet.
【在 e****g 的大作中提到】
: 就是个job的跳板而已，
: 非要拔高到啥高度，其实没有啥意义
: 99%来找工作，so what,只要能完成他应该做的工作就行，
: kick out不kick out,其实你做的那些工作，70%都没有啥用，一堆废纸
:
: f
: ou
: student
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o****y
发帖数: 790 | 7 As long as my students are productive in research, I do not give a hoot
whether they are interested in research or not. The key is to motivate them
in the right and forceful way.
Remember, just being interested in research doesn't automatically make you a
better researcher. |
h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 8 Interest is certainly not a sufficient condition, but a necessary one.
I pursuade students who do not have passion/interest to leave for their ow
n sake. I cannot see their future in the profession, and do not think they c
an be truly productive. Research is after all not flipping burger.
Academia is not for everybody, and they can have other good futures.
them
a
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: As long as my students are productive in research, I do not give a hoot
: whether they are interested in research or not. The key is to motivate them
: in the right and forceful way.
: Remember, just being interested in research doesn't automatically make you a
: better researcher.
|
s*r
发帖数: 1903 | 9 共产党宣言
【在 o*******s 的大作中提到】
: 99%的学生明明对科研没什么兴趣，却在Personal Statement中吹得天花乱坠，大家是
: 怎么想的？
: 这属于欺骗行为吗？
|
o****y
发帖数: 790 | 10 No, I beg to disagree. I have seen so many top researchers that are so good
but their personal interests actually
lie somewhere else. You gotta to admit someone is just more talented than
others.
This is not to say that research interests do not help.
My point: for research success, interest is neither a sufficient condition
nor a necessary one. It helps to motivate
people and make them persist. |
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e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 11 我来assume一个
我 assume你的研究工作是要对人类产生重要意义
实际上大部分都是变成几张纸，然后被人当成废纸过几年遗忘
实际你只是在做一个job
这些学生也是在准备一个job
能完成工作，就不错了，
至于能不能成为一个faculty完全不取决于你
advi
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: Simply cannot get it.
: I assume Phd students to be future faculty or good private/govt
: researchers rather than workers.
: If this is true for an indidivual student, stay and I would be happy to advi
: se. Otherwise, go to the toilet.
|
e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 12 对我而言，学生好好干，弄个好resume,
以后找个好工作，比在那里说空话，给人类做大贡献重要
them
a
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: As long as my students are productive in research, I do not give a hoot
: whether they are interested in research or not. The key is to motivate them
: in the right and forceful way.
: Remember, just being interested in research doesn't automatically make you a
: better researcher.
|
h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 13 I reserve my point.
Research is to entertain oneself. Sure, we also make a living by doing that.
But if simply for making a good living, there are many other choices.
Say, good chefs, certified nurses, and dental hygienists earn as much as, if
no more than, faculty in many fields (e.g., arts-ish). Let alone
considering tenure stress, teaching load, and hardcore politics.
【在 e****g 的大作中提到】
: 对我而言，学生好好干，弄个好resume,
: 以后找个好工作，比在那里说空话，给人类做大贡献重要
:
: them
: a
|
o****y
发帖数: 790 | 14 You have every right to hold on to your opinion. In fact, I am glad you
think like that and I wish more Chinese
faculty could be like you.
That said, I no longer hold that view.
For me, being a faculty is just a result of cost analysis. What I found out
over these years is that I am
reasonably good at doing research and coming up with novel ideas, and quite
enjoy writing papers. The
benefits I gain by doing these "chores" attract me. That is all. If, someday
, I found out that I actually have a
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: I reserve my point.
: Research is to entertain oneself. Sure, we also make a living by doing that.
: But if simply for making a good living, there are many other choices.
: Say, good chefs, certified nurses, and dental hygienists earn as much as, if
: no more than, faculty in many fields (e.g., arts-ish). Let alone
: considering tenure stress, teaching load, and hardcore politics.
|
h*****n
发帖数: 924 | 15 Nice and sincere reply. Thanks. It is a good discussion at night -- when we
may think about life in the deep heart.
I guess that you enjoy writing papers already reflects interest.
Btw, we were both in a discussion re the gov't college list on this board so
me time ago. I was not quite respectful that day due to my personal politica
l beliefs, and now apologize to you. Your efforts are valuable for Chinese
students and families. Sort of no discord, no concord.
out
quite
someday
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: You have every right to hold on to your opinion. In fact, I am glad you
: think like that and I wish more Chinese
: faculty could be like you.
: That said, I no longer hold that view.
: For me, being a faculty is just a result of cost analysis. What I found out
: over these years is that I am
: reasonably good at doing research and coming up with novel ideas, and quite
: enjoy writing papers. The
: benefits I gain by doing these "chores" attract me. That is all. If, someday
: , I found out that I actually have a
|
o****y
发帖数: 790 | 16 Never mind. Knowing what other people think and reflecting on it is always a
treat for me.
My best reagards to you.
we
so
politica
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: Nice and sincere reply. Thanks. It is a good discussion at night -- when we
: may think about life in the deep heart.
: I guess that you enjoy writing papers already reflects interest.
: Btw, we were both in a discussion re the gov't college list on this board so
: me time ago. I was not quite respectful that day due to my personal politica
: l beliefs, and now apologize to you. Your efforts are valuable for Chinese
: students and families. Sort of no discord, no concord.
:
: out
: quite
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a**********u
发帖数: 28450 | 17 你这个太没劲了，不是找抽吗
【在 o*******s 的大作中提到】
: 99%的学生明明对科研没什么兴趣，却在Personal Statement中吹得天花乱坠，大家是
: 怎么想的？
: 这属于欺骗行为吗？
|
a**********u
发帖数: 28450 | 18 “ but a necessary one.”扯吧
c
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: Interest is certainly not a sufficient condition, but a necessary one.
: I pursuade students who do not have passion/interest to leave for their ow
: n sake. I cannot see their future in the profession, and do not think they c
: an be truly productive. Research is after all not flipping burger.
: Academia is not for everybody, and they can have other good futures.
:
: them
: a
|
F**p
发帖数: 1046 | 19 99%的faculty明明对科研不擅长，对教学没兴趣，还愣充大牛为人师表，是不是也是在
欺骗学生？？ |
F**p
发帖数: 1046 | 20 99%的faculty明明对科研不擅长，对教学没兴趣，还愣充大牛为人师表，是不是也是在
欺骗学生？？ |
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a***e
发帖数: 1010 | 21 how about change your salary to 10-20k per year.
are you still going to be interested in research?
that.
as, if
【在 h*****n 的大作中提到】
: I reserve my point.
: Research is to entertain oneself. Sure, we also make a living by doing that.
: But if simply for making a good living, there are many other choices.
: Say, good chefs, certified nurses, and dental hygienists earn as much as, if
: no more than, faculty in many fields (e.g., arts-ish). Let alone
: considering tenure stress, teaching load, and hardcore politics.
|
o**********y
发帖数: 1041 | 22 同意呀。。。。读书与做研究是这世界最简单的事情了。
不过，能作出有价值的东西，还是蛮少见的。不过，小猪，你等２０年之后看我的贡献吧
【在 e****g 的大作中提到】
: 就是个job的跳板而已，
: 非要拔高到啥高度，其实没有啥意义
: 99%来找工作，so what,只要能完成他应该做的工作就行，
: kick out不kick out,其实你做的那些工作，70%都没有啥用，一堆废纸
:
: f
: ou
: student
|
o**********y
发帖数: 1041 | 23 support
【在 F**p 的大作中提到】
: 99%的faculty明明对科研不擅长，对教学没兴趣，还愣充大牛为人师表，是不是也是在
: 欺骗学生？？
|
e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 24 没事，我说了70%废纸，30%还是有用的
献吧
【在 o**********y 的大作中提到】
: 同意呀。。。。读书与做研究是这世界最简单的事情了。
: 不过，能作出有价值的东西，还是蛮少见的。不过，小猪，你等２０年之后看我的贡献吧
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k******2
发帖数: 111 | |
V**0
发帖数: 889 | 26 两回事
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: how about change your salary to 10-20k per year.
: are you still going to be interested in research?
:
: that.
: as, if
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w***n
发帖数: 1162 | 27 有P个兴趣，无数TOP UNIV PHS CHEM 的毕业生一毕业就去了wall street，你觉得他们
对research有兴趣？ |
a***9
发帖数: 1884 | 28 不管什么行业, 有多少人是真心热爱自己的工作? 热不热爱无所谓, 如果当作职业, 做
事态度认真就可以了. |
S***p
发帖数: 19902 | |
