b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 1 在BBO上打牌，IMP无对有，随机搭档，Rating为Advanced。
你坐南，拿到：A9732 / A / 54 / QJ865
叫牌过程：
N E S W
P 1S 2C 3D
3H P ?
2C也许有些争议。考虑到无局，牌型尚可，就叫了。现在你怎么叫？ | m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 2 i pass.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 在BBO上打牌，IMP无对有，随机搭档，Rating为Advanced。
: 你坐南，拿到：A9732 / A / 54 / QJ865
: 叫牌过程：
: N E S W
: P 1S 2C 3D
: 3H P ?
: 2C也许有些争议。考虑到无局，牌型尚可，就叫了。现在你怎么叫？
| n****i
发帖数: 109 | 3 bid 4C. North has 5-card heart, can tolerate Club(3+ C or at least doubleton
with honor). North is trying to find if NS have 4H. If North has 6-card
heart, he/she would open 2H. What is 3D, WJS? | b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 4 3D is un-discussed, so is 3H...
By logic, 3H should be fit-showing. With many hearts but no club fit, it
doesn't make sense to pass initially then come in at 3-level. However, this
is BBO with random partner, so anything can happen. Maybe partner has 4-6-2-
1 shape and decided not to open 2H at first seat... It's hard to play bridge
without knowing your partner, but it is still your turn to bid, so what do
you do? What would you have done at the table (be honest)? :-) | v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 5 just pass. Since no one really knows what happens, it is more probable to
make wrong decision at high level.
this
2-
bridge
do
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 3D is un-discussed, so is 3H...
: By logic, 3H should be fit-showing. With many hearts but no club fit, it
: doesn't make sense to pass initially then come in at 3-level. However, this
: is BBO with random partner, so anything can happen. Maybe partner has 4-6-2-
: 1 shape and decided not to open 2H at first seat... It's hard to play bridge
: without knowing your partner, but it is still your turn to bid, so what do
: you do? What would you have done at the table (be honest)? :-)
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 6 你PASS之后主打3H，发现同伴摊下如下一手牌：
JT
KQJ6
Q2
KT974
是不是有点哭笑不得？我想起有本特经典的早期桥牌书，Why You Lose At Bridge，当
年写的时候是上个世纪四十年代，所以主要针对的是盘式桥牌。里面的中心思想就是，
其实你跟陌生人搭档，要取得胜利（比方在盘式桥牌中赢钱），自己水平如何还是次要
的，关键是要掌握节奏，利用同伴。还有就是叫牌尽量自然，不要选择容易出事故的叫
品。
直至目前为止，这仍是史上最为畅销和受欢迎的桥牌书之一。我想在现代的复式或双人
桥牌中仍有一定的指导意义，尤其对于在BBO这种环境下，更是宝典啊。
【在 v**********e 的大作中提到】
: just pass. Since no one really knows what happens, it is more probable to
: make wrong decision at high level.
:
: this
: 2-
: bridge
: do
| v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 7 Good, that's your point.
3H is bad for such a good hand. Partner's 2C overcall usually promise a good
hand, and a game is promising. 3H is a negative signal rather than positive
in this sequence.
Anyway, playing with strangers is a waste of time. Or just for fun.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 你PASS之后主打3H，发现同伴摊下如下一手牌：
: JT
: KQJ6
: Q2
: KT974
: 是不是有点哭笑不得？我想起有本特经典的早期桥牌书，Why You Lose At Bridge，当
: 年写的时候是上个世纪四十年代，所以主要针对的是盘式桥牌。里面的中心思想就是，
: 其实你跟陌生人搭档，要取得胜利（比方在盘式桥牌中赢钱），自己水平如何还是次要
: 的，关键是要掌握节奏，利用同伴。还有就是叫牌尽量自然，不要选择容易出事故的叫
: 品。
| n****i
发帖数: 109 | 8 so I am correct.
This is not convention, it is logic. Your pd needs to bid to 4C anyway if he
/she wants to compete. 3H is a cheap way to find if 4H is there. Think about
your hand: 2-4-2-5, 13HCP, do you double or bid 2C after 1S open? Your pd
deservs "advanced". | j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 9 PASS之后主打3H? shouldn't your pd be declaring?
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 你PASS之后主打3H，发现同伴摊下如下一手牌：
: JT
: KQJ6
: Q2
: KT974
: 是不是有点哭笑不得？我想起有本特经典的早期桥牌书，Why You Lose At Bridge，当
: 年写的时候是上个世纪四十年代，所以主要针对的是盘式桥牌。里面的中心思想就是，
: 其实你跟陌生人搭档，要取得胜利（比方在盘式桥牌中赢钱），自己水平如何还是次要
: 的，关键是要掌握节奏，利用同伴。还有就是叫牌尽量自然，不要选择容易出事故的叫
: 品。
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 10 恩，对，是同伴主打。~~
九十分的思维敏捷，有奖。：）
【在 j*******e 的大作中提到】
: PASS之后主打3H? shouldn't your pd be declaring?
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 11 There is also a saying: don't pass partner's strange bids. So, maybe I
shouldn't pass after all? The problem is that, so many BBO players would
make such a bid with 7 hearts and stiff club (don't ask me why they didn't
preempt in first place), much more than people who understand the fit and
lead-directing concept.
3H was not the right bid in many ways. But at least it involved some
thinking, I would give partner credit for that. With 5th heart it would have
been "correct", although such a hand shouldn't exist: with one more heart
and one less spade or diamond, opening 1H would be clear. As it is, I think
it still warrants opening 1C.
【在 n****i 的大作中提到】
: so I am correct.
: This is not convention, it is logic. Your pd needs to bid to 4C anyway if he
: /she wants to compete. 3H is a cheap way to find if 4H is there. Think about
: your hand: 2-4-2-5, 13HCP, do you double or bid 2C after 1S open? Your pd
: deservs "advanced".
| v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 12 That's not the logic in modern bridge.
For the real hand, 1C opening is clear. 3H is definitely not a positive
response here especially after first pass, it is only competitive and lead
preference. For a positive response, X is good enough to show a maximum
passed hand with H suit.
Actually, if both H and C fit, then opp will reach at least 4S whatever you
did.
he
about
【在 n****i 的大作中提到】
: so I am correct.
: This is not convention, it is logic. Your pd needs to bid to 4C anyway if he
: /she wants to compete. 3H is a cheap way to find if 4H is there. Think about
: your hand: 2-4-2-5, 13HCP, do you double or bid 2C after 1S open? Your pd
: deservs "advanced".
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 13 Actually, I think 3H should be mildly positive (but limited by initial pass)
. Partner is not forced to bid, so the real negative bid is PASS. Also it is
impossible to show long heart suit with lead direction, since the hand didn
't open or pre-empt. When passed hand bids like this, it really ought to be
fit-showing, something like xx / KQxxx / x / Kxxxx is about right.
Arguably another possibility is hand like xxxx / KQJxxx / x / xx, but I
would just open 2H with that hand, despite 4 spades. It depends on personal
style, but fit-showing is still the best treatment in this sequence.
【在 v**********e 的大作中提到】
: That's not the logic in modern bridge.
: For the real hand, 1C opening is clear. 3H is definitely not a positive
: response here especially after first pass, it is only competitive and lead
: preference. For a positive response, X is good enough to show a maximum
: passed hand with H suit.
: Actually, if both H and C fit, then opp will reach at least 4S whatever you
: did.
:
: he
: about
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