D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 1 A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
JBC paper (in press).
I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
it. He instantly dow |
l*h
发帖数: 4124 | 2 纠正错句：Rong received his Ph.D. from a China.
,
Rong)
author
about
described
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
I****0
发帖数: 182 | 3 就当technician招到组里呗，这么有经验的，老板明显是赚的。
话说这老板英文不错啊。 |
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 4 I original wrote "from a Chinese institute"... But thanks.
【在 l*h 的大作中提到】
: 纠正错句：Rong received his Ph.D. from a China.
:
: ,
: Rong)
: author
: about
: described
|
s***o
发帖数: 326 | 5 对亚，在博后里面他可能不算突出，可是放到technician里面，他肯定是很好的了。你
如果有钱的话，可以把他招过来做technician用。感觉他和你的人品都不错，如果过来
了他肯定也会认真努力的工作的。
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: I original wrote "from a Chinese institute"... But thanks.
|
m*******r
发帖数: 106 | |
l*h
发帖数: 4124 | 7 如果是管得很细的老板，是需要这样的技术员的。如果是放手的老板，技术员也需要有
些自己的主张的。
【在 I****0 的大作中提到】
: 就当technician招到组里呗，这么有经验的，老板明显是赚的。
: 话说这老板英文不错啊。
|
s***o
发帖数: 326 | 8 我到觉得这个博后应该也没有这么不堪吧。毕竟是博士毕业，并且还受过博后训练。
【在 l*h 的大作中提到】
: 如果是管得很细的老板，是需要这样的技术员的。如果是放手的老板，技术员也需要有
: 些自己的主张的。
|
I****0
发帖数: 182 | 9 同感。
不过我觉得这个博后肯定很容易找到下家，十之八九新PI是个中国人，还没tenure，
特喜欢灌水发垃圾文章的的那种组。
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: 我到觉得这个博后应该也没有这么不堪吧。毕竟是博士毕业，并且还受过博后训练。
|
l*h
发帖数: 4124 | 10 我还真遇到过很不堪的博士后，而且别的方面也很别扭，比如上班时间看软色情的东西
。老板确实看不过去，让他跟着我们低年级博士生上课，也是上的一塌糊涂。
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: 我到觉得这个博后应该也没有这么不堪吧。毕竟是博士毕业，并且还受过博后训练。
|
|
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 11 My Chinese is not much better. :-)
【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】
: 有不少错误, 建议还是用中文好些.
|
a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 12 你是PI吗？要不要来哭诉一下？我们听听双方的声音
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: My Chinese is not much better. :-)
|
l**********n
发帖数: 240 | 13 Some times "Reading papers" is more important than "bench work."
bench work作得再好，也只是老板的 “有手的工具”。
understanding what you are doing (by reading more papers)才能得到老板真正的
尊重。 |
a****o
发帖数: 1786 | 14 他去年被学生调戏过，哭诉过了
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: 你是PI吗？要不要来哭诉一下？我们听听双方的声音
|
H****N
发帖数: 997 | 15 I have to say this case is not an exception. Many bio PhDs these days,
particularly those trained in China, are not well prepared for independent
research. Other than being able to perform experiments as told, they are not
capable of thinking independently and designing their own experiments. This
may work for some PIs who want to dictate everything, but can be very
frustrating for others. An ideal situation is that the PI and the postdocs
can have routine intellectual dialogues. It is a dilemma |
a****o
发帖数: 1786 | 16 老美连欧洲的博士都觉得不行呢
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: 我到觉得这个博后应该也没有这么不堪吧。毕竟是博士毕业，并且还受过博后训练。
|
I****0
发帖数: 182 | 17 拜托，不拿你当工具的老板就已经是好老板了。要是天下老板都这么好，真拿你当学生
和未来的同事看，大家还来抱怨个鸟啊。
【在 l**********n 的大作中提到】
: Some times "Reading papers" is more important than "bench work."
: bench work作得再好，也只是老板的 “有手的工具”。
: understanding what you are doing (by reading more papers)才能得到老板真正的
: 尊重。
|
b*****u
发帖数: 352 | 18 When I read paper, people said "Oh, you want to write a survey as Micheal
Jordan". Maybe I read the wrong paper. Is there anybody give me any idea
which paper I should read? I have 0 background here. I took courses
suggested by senior students in lab and still have 0 background. Because I
should have taken those courses suggested for financial students. When I
took courses, all other people had published. When I work in lab, "You've
not taken the right courses". Why didn't I take those difficult
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 19 Papers related to your research, not about Michael Jordan.
with
you
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: When I read paper, people said "Oh, you want to write a survey as Micheal
: Jordan". Maybe I read the wrong paper. Is there anybody give me any idea
: which paper I should read? I have 0 background here. I took courses
: suggested by senior students in lab and still have 0 background. Because I
: should have taken those courses suggested for financial students. When I
: took courses, all other people had published. When I work in lab, "You've
: not taken the right courses". Why didn't I take those difficult
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 20 I thought he could easily find a lab working as a postdoc with a decent pay.
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: 对亚，在博后里面他可能不算突出，可是放到technician里面，他肯定是很好的了。你
: 如果有钱的话，可以把他招过来做technician用。感觉他和你的人品都不错，如果过来
: 了他肯定也会认真努力的工作的。
|
|
|
F******p
发帖数: 2099 | 21 This Bob stinks, and apparently he doesn't want Rong to be hired within his
school so he imply employer to call his cell phone for real reference. |
p****n
发帖数: 9263 | 22 你也够挑的，比他好的postdoc自然也有不少，不过凭什么你能招到？
position,
postdoc (Rong)
J-1
had
author
about
had
described
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
h********n
发帖数: 4079 | 23 楼主, 我猜你只是在写一个故事, 或者是一个调查, 看看大家的意见. 真的是你工作上
的事, 你不会上来问的. 不过, 读你写的东西还是挺有意思的.
要我说, Bob不太地道. 如果你有足够的钱, 不妨招来看看, 至少可以当tech. |
p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 24 title人家明明用的是虚拟语气阿 显然不是来咨询的
【在 h********n 的大作中提到】
: 楼主, 我猜你只是在写一个故事, 或者是一个调查, 看看大家的意见. 真的是你工作上
: 的事, 你不会上来问的. 不过, 读你写的东西还是挺有意思的.
: 要我说, Bob不太地道. 如果你有足够的钱, 不妨招来看看, 至少可以当tech.
|
r****r
发帖数: 379 | 25 特点：
1，与人相处融洽
2，工作努力
3，愿意学习新技术
4，英语交流能力差
5，不愿意读paper
6，独立能力不强
这样一个人放在人才市场，是个很好的员工，前提是你的团队管理要好，能给他很明晰
的任务，作为一个博士后，不是个优秀的博士后，但显然谈不上一个差的博士后。其后
面三个负面评价，英语差可以通过和中国老板相处弥补，独立能力不强是特点不是缺点
，独立能力强脑袋不好使，就会变成一头愚蠢倔强的驴，这种人当博士后来用，那么需
要一个team work，要么你自己要么找另外一个。
我觉得依据自己实验室的状况很好判断用不用啊。 |
b*****u
发帖数: 352 | 26 所以说要努力在找除了博厚以外的工作，大部分的社会上工作都是需要这样的人的，要
求英语好。所谓
独立研究能力强，读paper就是纯为了培养教授工作的。我怎么地没读paper了，哼哼。
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: 特点：
: 1，与人相处融洽
: 2，工作努力
: 3，愿意学习新技术
: 4，英语交流能力差
: 5，不愿意读paper
: 6，独立能力不强
: 这样一个人放在人才市场，是个很好的员工，前提是你的团队管理要好，能给他很明晰
: 的任务，作为一个博士后，不是个优秀的博士后，但显然谈不上一个差的博士后。其后
: 面三个负面评价，英语差可以通过和中国老板相处弥补，独立能力不强是特点不是缺点
|
x***u
发帖数: 6421 | 27 靠，原来faculty这么唧唧歪歪阿，人都move on了，还唧歪个屁。 |
b******l
发帖数: 1632 | 28 好像很明显啊，这是个技术员的料，你缺技术员就雇他，但别让他当 postdoc，就结了。
我刚来美国时，强调英语是障碍，被我们系主任教育了；很快我也认识到，其实根本和
语言无关。
最后我们 qualify 口试 fail 掉的，清一色英语母语的。
所以，这个人只能当技术员了。
,
Rong)
author
about
described
to
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
o*********t
发帖数: 74 | 29 是institution是不是institute |
H*****e
发帖数: 120 | 30 Many different feelings after I read this story. (Sorry, my current
computer does not have chinese input!)
First, as a PI, I am disgarded by "Bob". I saw many faculty members who
head lab with all chinese. This is a result from many reasons. Good and
bad! What can I do with them as a junior? Especially I need to live in
this political world. I have to say hi to someone who I know never like me
or chinese. All I can do is to help all fellows in their labs, chinese,
american,...
Second, ha |
|
|
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 31 Agree
If you only need someone to work on some detailed, labor-intensive works,
he is an ideal candidate. But if you need someone to take care of a
project on his own (I know some technician do that), you have to think again
【在 l*h 的大作中提到】
: 如果是管得很细的老板，是需要这样的技术员的。如果是放手的老板，技术员也需要有
: 些自己的主张的。
|
O******e
发帖数: 4845 | 32 如果是我，肯定是要雇他了。这本来应该是一件双赢的事情。
有毛病的是那个"Bob Anderson".英语好坏，一个电话就听出来了，把人家招来了，
给着低工资，使唤着，还嫌这嫌那的。这种人，就不配招我们中国人！
,
Rong)
author
about
described
to
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
s*r
发帖数: 2757 | 33 i feel op's written english is very good. i have difficulty to write such
long paragraphs in a consistently smooth way
【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】
: 有不少错误, 建议还是用中文好些.
|
b*****u
发帖数: 352 | 34 Results usually depend on those unavoidable detailed, labor-intensive
works. Without them, My novel method alone can get ugly and inaccurate
results
too.
works,
again
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: Agree
: If you only need someone to work on some detailed, labor-intensive works,
: he is an ideal candidate. But if you need someone to take care of a
: project on his own (I know some technician do that), you have to think again
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 35 The story happened n years ago...
【在 h********n 的大作中提到】
: 楼主, 我猜你只是在写一个故事, 或者是一个调查, 看看大家的意见. 真的是你工作上
: 的事, 你不会上来问的. 不过, 读你写的东西还是挺有意思的.
: 要我说, Bob不太地道. 如果你有足够的钱, 不妨招来看看, 至少可以当tech.
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 36 Although similar in meaning, an institution is larger (and more general
in meaning) than an institute. The latter refers to a specific
organization, such The National Cancer Institute.
【在 o*********t 的大作中提到】
: 是institution是不是institute
|
K****n
发帖数: 5970 | 37 生死有命，富贵在天。这就是缘分，大哥不必不安。
不过
如果是美女，没有J2跟着，但是英语不好，雇不雇呢？当然也许鲍勃也不会把她赶走。 |
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 38 I was trying to convey my opinions through a story.
【在 x***u 的大作中提到】
: 靠，原来faculty这么唧唧歪歪阿，人都move on了，还唧歪个屁。
|
b*****u
发帖数: 352 | 39 I have never taken the advantage of others as a team player except that
they won't let me in and get everything done. I look like a person
taking advantages all the time. Is it because of my look?
who
and
in
like me
chinese,
working in
decent
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: Many different feelings after I read this story. (Sorry, my current
: computer does not have chinese input!)
: First, as a PI, I am disgarded by "Bob". I saw many faculty members who
: head lab with all chinese. This is a result from many reasons. Good and
: bad! What can I do with them as a junior? Especially I need to live in
: this political world. I have to say hi to someone who I know never like me
: or chinese. All I can do is to help all fellows in their labs, chinese,
: american,...
: Second, ha
|
b*****u
发帖数: 352 | 40 不能在这个版上骂老板，骂着骂着会对做postdoc充满向往之心。
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: I was trying to convey my opinions through a story.
|
|
|
b*****u
发帖数: 352 | 41
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: 不能在这个版上骂老板，骂着骂着会对做postdoc充满向往之心。
|
l**********n
发帖数: 240 | 42 或许人家BOB 是大牛，一心专注培养将来能当PI的trainees。 对手下的期望不单单是
能做 western， 不能发一作文章的人。
不过只给这么点工资显得不厚道。 |
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 43 I said to him, "keep looking. If you really can't find anyone, come back to
me again." He did call back a few days later, telling me he had an offer
but didn't really like the lab. I said, "Take it, please!"... That was the
last
time I heard from him.
me
in
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: Many different feelings after I read this story. (Sorry, my current
: computer does not have chinese input!)
: First, as a PI, I am disgarded by "Bob". I saw many faculty members who
: head lab with all chinese. This is a result from many reasons. Good and
: bad! What can I do with them as a junior? Especially I need to live in
: this political world. I have to say hi to someone who I know never like me
: or chinese. All I can do is to help all fellows in their labs, chinese,
: american,...
: Second, ha
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 44 I probably would have hired him as a tech, if he didn't have a Ph.D.
But I don't have unlimited money.
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 如果是我，肯定是要雇他了。这本来应该是一件双赢的事情。
: 有毛病的是那个"Bob Anderson".英语好坏，一个电话就听出来了，把人家招来了，
: 给着低工资，使唤着，还嫌这嫌那的。这种人，就不配招我们中国人！
:
: ,
: Rong)
: author
: about
: described
: to
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 45 Very hypothetical. :-)
【在 K****n 的大作中提到】
: 生死有命，富贵在天。这就是缘分，大哥不必不安。
: 不过
: 如果是美女，没有J2跟着，但是英语不好，雇不雇呢？当然也许鲍勃也不会把她赶走。
|
f**********e
发帖数: 66 | 46 Do u really need a tech? i do not have a Ph.D.
I am serious.
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: I probably would have hired him as a tech, if he didn't have a Ph.D.
: But I don't have unlimited money.
|
p*******r
发帖数: 4048 | 47 I think the time is changing though. Recently our department signed a deal
with genescript. They have units in China so they offer us quite cheap
services. Now our lab outsources all cloning and other routine molecular
type of work. I just design my primers and it comes back to me in a few
days. Maybe this type of trend will finally put an end to the era of using
postdoc as technicians.
works,
again
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: Agree
: If you only need someone to work on some detailed, labor-intensive works,
: he is an ideal candidate. But if you need someone to take care of a
: project on his own (I know some technician do that), you have to think again
|
s******r
发帖数: 2876 | 48 这样的话谁还需要那么多postdoc呢？
BTW，genescript这个主意不错，不知道能不能赚钱。
I think the time is changing though. Recently our department signed a deal
with genescript. They have units in China so they offer us quite cheap
services. Now our lab outsources all cloning and other routine molecular
type of work. I just design my primers and it comes back to me in a few
days. Maybe this type of trend will finally put an end to the era of using
postdoc as technicians.
works,
again
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I think the time is changing though. Recently our department signed a deal
: with genescript. They have units in China so they offer us quite cheap
: services. Now our lab outsources all cloning and other routine molecular
: type of work. I just design my primers and it comes back to me in a few
: days. Maybe this type of trend will finally put an end to the era of using
: postdoc as technicians.
:
: works,
: again
|
s******r
发帖数: 2876 | 49 你说得不错，能帮就帮一把，最起码不害人。
Many different feelings after I read this story. (Sorry, my current
computer does not have chinese input!)
First, as a PI, I am disgarded by "Bob". I saw many faculty members who
head lab with all chinese. This is a result from many reasons. Good and
bad! What can I do with them as a junior? Especially I need to live in
this political world. I have to say hi to someone who I know never like me
or chinese. All I can do is to help all fellows in their labs, chinese,
a
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: Many different feelings after I read this story. (Sorry, my current
: computer does not have chinese input!)
: First, as a PI, I am disgarded by "Bob". I saw many faculty members who
: head lab with all chinese. This is a result from many reasons. Good and
: bad! What can I do with them as a junior? Especially I need to live in
: this political world. I have to say hi to someone who I know never like me
: or chinese. All I can do is to help all fellows in their labs, chinese,
: american,...
: Second, ha
|
h******e
发帖数: 1791 | 50 他们赚了好多钱了。
【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 这样的话谁还需要那么多postdoc呢？
: BTW，genescript这个主意不错，不知道能不能赚钱。
:
: I think the time is changing though. Recently our department signed a deal
: with genescript. They have units in China so they offer us quite cheap
: services. Now our lab outsources all cloning and other routine molecular
: type of work. I just design my primers and it comes back to me in a few
: days. Maybe this type of trend will finally put an end to the era of using
: postdoc as technicians.
: works,
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h******e
发帖数: 1791 | 51 这个好，phd，postdoc就应该从这些日常的重复劳动中解放出来，专心于研究的策略，
方向等问题。
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I think the time is changing though. Recently our department signed a deal
: with genescript. They have units in China so they offer us quite cheap
: services. Now our lab outsources all cloning and other routine molecular
: type of work. I just design my primers and it comes back to me in a few
: days. Maybe this type of trend will finally put an end to the era of using
: postdoc as technicians.
:
: works,
: again
|
p*******r
发帖数: 4048 | 52 对呀。 我觉得我以后就会只请几个很好的postdoc, 然后我有什么idea就请公司弄。
多好，不用依靠postdoc了。 ：）
deal
using
【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 这样的话谁还需要那么多postdoc呢？
: BTW，genescript这个主意不错，不知道能不能赚钱。
:
: I think the time is changing though. Recently our department signed a deal
: with genescript. They have units in China so they offer us quite cheap
: services. Now our lab outsources all cloning and other routine molecular
: type of work. I just design my primers and it comes back to me in a few
: days. Maybe this type of trend will finally put an end to the era of using
: postdoc as technicians.
: works,
|
p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 53 给我发份这个公司的信息吧 呵呵 我最讨厌cloning
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 对呀。 我觉得我以后就会只请几个很好的postdoc, 然后我有什么idea就请公司弄。
: 多好，不用依靠postdoc了。 ：）
:
: deal
: using
|
s******r
发帖数: 2876 | 54 这个公司以前不是老在版上招人，
可以跟他们谈谈。
给我发份这个公司的信息吧 呵呵 我最讨厌cloning
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 给我发份这个公司的信息吧 呵呵 我最讨厌cloning
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D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 55 Not now. You should try a company for a tech job. The pay is much better.
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】
: Do u really need a tech? i do not have a Ph.D.
: I am serious.
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 56 Genescript is pretty successful. Most of the employees (>90%) are Chinese.
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I think the time is changing though. Recently our department signed a deal
: with genescript. They have units in China so they offer us quite cheap
: services. Now our lab outsources all cloning and other routine molecular
: type of work. I just design my primers and it comes back to me in a few
: days. Maybe this type of trend will finally put an end to the era of using
: postdoc as technicians.
:
: works,
: again
|
h******y
发帖数: 1374 | 57 OrgName: University of Rochester
OrgID: UNIVER-40-Z
Address: University IT/NC/Networking and Communications Division
Address: UR Towne House, STE 102
Address: 727 Elmwood Ave
City: Rochester
StateProv: NY
PostalCode: 14620
Country: US
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CIDR: 128.151.0.0/16
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NameServer: CC.ROCHESTER.EDU
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l*******d
发帖数: 101 | 58 I think it was really nice of you to track down Rong's former supervisor and
check on the salary arrangement.
But, excuse me, this seems a bit hypocrite to me. You realized that Rong's
former supervisor had treated him
unfairly. You also knew that Rong would not be a star postdoc welcomed by
many PIs. Therefore, Rong was
desperately in need of help. But you decided that your helping him would
mean sacrifice on your part, and
that someone else should do the job.
Have you considered the poss
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: I said to him, "keep looking. If you really can't find anyone, come back to
: me again." He did call back a few days later, telling me he had an offer
: but didn't really like the lab. I said, "Take it, please!"... That was the
: last
: time I heard from him.
:
: me
: in
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j****t
发帖数: 2996 | 59 最烦当同胞面拽E文的,又不是native,何必呢?当然可能你的国文更差
而且通篇没有point,不能帮人就别来这显眼，装得自己好像很有善心，结果非但没帮人
还来这里把别人的缺点批一顿，什么玩艺！说实话如果不是实在走投无路的, 又有几个
美国PhD愿意找一个中国AP做postdoc的老板呢。 |
s****y
发帖数: 89 | 60 it is really a dilemma, I think you are a very kind boss.
in my opinion you can hire him as a postdoc, but you just tell him you only
can pay him as much money as he received in Bob'lab, due to lacking of money
in your lab, or actually you do not need more postdoc in lab or something
else.
after all, seems he is in a hopeless situation.
I think he will work harder, and be grateful for you. that is not bad for
you. |
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k********e
发帖数: 448 | 61 wow that's a bit harsh bah.
【在 j****t 的大作中提到】
: 最烦当同胞面拽E文的,又不是native,何必呢?当然可能你的国文更差
: 而且通篇没有point,不能帮人就别来这显眼，装得自己好像很有善心，结果非但没帮人
: 还来这里把别人的缺点批一顿，什么玩艺！说实话如果不是实在走投无路的, 又有几个
: 美国PhD愿意找一个中国AP做postdoc的老板呢。
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s*****0
发帖数: 357 | 62 他不可能那样做，于人于己都不利。用远低于prevailing的待遇雇用对方本身就不
ethical，更何况那样做无论出于什么理由，在他人看来都是take advantage，于自己
的名声也吃不消。所以婉拒对方是无奈的最佳选择。老板雇用博后还是要考虑对方的出
路，不能让其整日干tech的杂活，如果招来的博后没有多少可塑性，对自己也不是利好
，当老板的如果正常思维的话都会考虑这些。
only
money
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: it is really a dilemma, I think you are a very kind boss.
: in my opinion you can hire him as a postdoc, but you just tell him you only
: can pay him as much money as he received in Bob'lab, due to lacking of money
: in your lab, or actually you do not need more postdoc in lab or something
: else.
: after all, seems he is in a hopeless situation.
: I think he will work harder, and be grateful for you. that is not bad for
: you.
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y********g
发帖数: 311 | 63 "English is not good" has become a way for the American to de-credit the
international people who do not officially speak in English. It is political
. |
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 64 Correct.
【在 s*****0 的大作中提到】
: 他不可能那样做，于人于己都不利。用远低于prevailing的待遇雇用对方本身就不
: ethical，更何况那样做无论出于什么理由，在他人看来都是take advantage，于自己
: 的名声也吃不消。所以婉拒对方是无奈的最佳选择。老板雇用博后还是要考虑对方的出
: 路，不能让其整日干tech的杂活，如果招来的博后没有多少可塑性，对自己也不是利好
: ，当老板的如果正常思维的话都会考虑这些。
:
: only
: money
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 65 There's not much you can do about it, unfortunately, except to improve
your English. Unless you could force them to speak Chinese :-)
political
【在 y********g 的大作中提到】
: "English is not good" has become a way for the American to de-credit the
: international people who do not officially speak in English. It is political
: .
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K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 66 Actually "English is not good" itself is not political correct. Really
careful American will not say it in public.
I've heard a lot of "smart" guys say I had hard time communicating with xxx
because my Chinese (or whatever foreign language) is terrible.
political
【在 y********g 的大作中提到】
: "English is not good" has become a way for the American to de-credit the
: international people who do not officially speak in English. It is political
: .
|
j***f
发帖数: 2543 | 67 他前老板不怎么厚道，要不要招根据自己的需要，有的老板就需要这样的，听话，自己
的博士生都是这么培养的，其实不同老板培养学生的模式也千差万别啊 |
t*b
发帖数: 850 | 68 interestingly, you totally rely on his former boss's opinion.
I don't think you can be a very good boss. with your judgement, make your
own decision. not just listen to others.
On the other hand, you never know what really happened between Rong and Bob.
You can't just take what Bob siad just because he is the chairman.
so, it is good for Rong not to join your group. |
t*b
发帖数: 850 | 69 another interesting idea.
tell me which bio postdoc is not a technician.
not
This
their
【在 H****N 的大作中提到】
: I have to say this case is not an exception. Many bio PhDs these days,
: particularly those trained in China, are not well prepared for independent
: research. Other than being able to perform experiments as told, they are not
: capable of thinking independently and designing their own experiments. This
: may work for some PIs who want to dictate everything, but can be very
: frustrating for others. An ideal situation is that the PI and the postdocs
: can have routine intellectual dialogues. It is a dilemma
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t*b
发帖数: 850 | 70 this is typical of fakeness of american
xxx
【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: Actually "English is not good" itself is not political correct. Really
: careful American will not say it in public.
: I've heard a lot of "smart" guys say I had hard time communicating with xxx
: because my Chinese (or whatever foreign language) is terrible.
:
: political
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B********d
发帖数: 1893 | 71 您不觉得 Bob 这样的人很不地道吗 ? 为什么要两份不同的推荐, 书面正面, 电话中阴
损. 你确定他的判断正确,或者他和这个博士后没有个人间别人不知道的冲突 ?
,
Rong)
author
about
described
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
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K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 72 Fake, 100% agree.
however, we are in this country and playing their game. We have to learn the
rules.
【在 t*b 的大作中提到】
: this is typical of fakeness of american
:
: xxx
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l*********o
发帖数: 3091 | 73 Yes. You should hire him. Because his English is better than yours.
,
Rong)
author
about
described
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
h****9
发帖数: 36 | 74 公平地说，楼主的english writing已是相当不错，独立发文章、写grant估计是没有问
题了。至于不少人对楼主的english的水平有不屑的评价，估计是基于楼主给洋妞写情
书求爱的标准来期待的吧... |
j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 75 做上帝的感觉好吗？
,
Rong)
author
about
described
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
d****h
发帖数: 4291 | 76 从唧唧歪歪的满篇不太地道的英文来看
lz绝对是传说中的极品华人pi之列 |
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 77 Not totally. I have met Rong and learned about research. What Bob said was
just confirmatory.
Bob.
【在 t*b 的大作中提到】
: interestingly, you totally rely on his former boss's opinion.
: I don't think you can be a very good boss. with your judgement, make your
: own decision. not just listen to others.
: On the other hand, you never know what really happened between Rong and Bob.
: You can't just take what Bob siad just because he is the chairman.
: so, it is good for Rong not to join your group.
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 78 A Chinese PI is no God,
You don’t need him as much as your iPod.
They are the ones you try to avoid
Whenever you seek to be employed.
The Chinese PI’s are always at the bottom
Of the potential bosses you think are awesome.
But they are the ones you come back to woo,
Only after your door is shut by Bob or Andrew.
Don’t worry, dear Ping or Rong,
Even if you have done something wrong.
Somewhere out there might be a Chinese PI,
Who is willing to help you to give life another try.
【在 j*****h 的大作中提到】
: 做上帝的感觉好吗？
:
: ,
: Rong)
: author
: about
: described
|
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 79 Many people (including me) cannot type in Chinese characters at work
【在 j****t 的大作中提到】
: 最烦当同胞面拽E文的,又不是native,何必呢?当然可能你的国文更差
: 而且通篇没有point,不能帮人就别来这显眼，装得自己好像很有善心，结果非但没帮人
: 还来这里把别人的缺点批一顿，什么玩艺！说实话如果不是实在走投无路的, 又有几个
: 美国PhD愿意找一个中国AP做postdoc的老板呢。
|
m*********n
发帖数: 1 | 80 Under the circumstances, you did more than the right thing. There is no free
lunch in this country. Stronger and hungrier survives. If anything I would
do in addition is to let him know his limitations and offer some advice on
becoming stronger.
What's the fuss about communicating in English?
Missed those days in the lab as a former student. |
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l***s
发帖数: 115 | 81 你以为你是谁啊？
I also understood that I was running a lab, not charity.
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A Chinese PI is no God,
: You don’t need him as much as your iPod.
: They are the ones you try to avoid
: Whenever you seek to be employed.
: The Chinese PI’s are always at the bottom
: Of the potential bosses you think are awesome.
: But they are the ones you come back to woo,
: Only after your door is shut by Bob or Andrew.
: Don’t worry, dear Ping or Rong,
: Even if you have done something wrong.
|
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 82 Somebody who's running a lab, not a charity.
【在 l***s 的大作中提到】
: 你以为你是谁啊？
:
: I also understood that I was running a lab, not charity.
|
d******g
发帖数: 346 | 83 Lessons learned here for our Chinese fellows:
You must improve your English in addition to doing the hard work!
If you cannot, you probably should not be here and should take actions
quickly to exit to another type of life.
It's a pity for many Rong's, Li's, and Wang's to get paid so low with such
hard work and so much pressure. |
f**********e
发帖数: 66 | 84 Dr. biologist is a nice person if what he said is true.
【在 l***s 的大作中提到】
: 你以为你是谁啊？
:
: I also understood that I was running a lab, not charity.
|
j*****a
发帖数: 658 | 85 Let it go. It is normal. I went to a seminar yesterday and the English of a
"assistant professor" is so bad that the audience felt bored. He didn't make
any eye contact with audience. I can even recognize which part of China he
is from from his English accent. But he is assistant professor and my
colleague who knows him told me he is trying to get independent.
And now you are saying a Chinese postdoc who can't survive. Language is
always a struggle for some Chinese researchers here, especially m
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
o******l
发帖数: 284 | 86 1. 他很实验工作没有大问题,技术上肯定是可以的.
2. 他有愿望在美国继续干,你作为未来老板,应该讲清楚你和他的关系,同时明白他是想
干什么. 如果他目标是在美国生活,为了环境,绿卡,和房子车,不在乎自己是不是实现
自己的价值,即使是将来打扫卫生也要为了绿卡,而你又很忙,没有时间去具体指导他做
什么,或者你的目标是为了给人类做贡献,培养科学家,实现自己和他的价值,我觉得你就
不能招他. 相反,如果他的目标是提高自己的水平,将来多发文章,无论是想在这边成为
PI,或者回国去科研机构,或者什么别的,而你又有足够的精力稍微指点他一下,那你绝对
应该招他.
我个人觉得作为一个学生,他现在还并不明白自己想要啥,但是很明显他挺勤奋,是个可
以塑造的人,综合看来,我支持你招. 并且付出一些基本的爱心..
一个人真正喜欢上下棋,很多时候都是因为渐渐能赢上两盘开始,而不是从痛苦的背诵基
本规则和定势开始的.. |
b*****u
发帖数: 352 | 87 然后你跟他说你赢得实际上都是让你的，然后他就不再喜欢下棋了。
【在 o******l 的大作中提到】
: 1. 他很实验工作没有大问题,技术上肯定是可以的.
: 2. 他有愿望在美国继续干,你作为未来老板,应该讲清楚你和他的关系,同时明白他是想
: 干什么. 如果他目标是在美国生活,为了环境,绿卡,和房子车,不在乎自己是不是实现
: 自己的价值,即使是将来打扫卫生也要为了绿卡,而你又很忙,没有时间去具体指导他做
: 什么,或者你的目标是为了给人类做贡献,培养科学家,实现自己和他的价值,我觉得你就
: 不能招他. 相反,如果他的目标是提高自己的水平,将来多发文章,无论是想在这边成为
: PI,或者回国去科研机构,或者什么别的,而你又有足够的精力稍微指点他一下,那你绝对
: 应该招他.
: 我个人觉得作为一个学生,他现在还并不明白自己想要啥,但是很明显他挺勤奋,是个可
: 以塑造的人,综合看来,我支持你招. 并且付出一些基本的爱心..
|
o******l
发帖数: 284 | 88
如果你是那个人的父亲,请你一辈子保守这个秘密..
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: 然后你跟他说你赢得实际上都是让你的，然后他就不再喜欢下棋了。
|
n******g
发帖数: 662 | 89 Good writing!!
Must be a good proposal writer! |
j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 90 很可惜我不在你们的生物世界，想来你从爬虫到这个位置不容易
有过好多屈辱？给一个postdoc的工资是给一个正常part time worker的1/2可能不到?
I am not saying that you are psycho. Just somehow feel sad for you. If it is the way how the biology world rules, I feel sorry for your world.
It should be and will be good for the postdoc.Life did opon another door for him/her
Assuming he/she is not stupid, he/she will learn.
Just curious, are you male or female?
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A Chinese PI is no God,
: You don’t need him as much as your iPod.
: They are the ones you try to avoid
: Whenever you seek to be employed.
: The Chinese PI’s are always at the bottom
: Of the potential bosses you think are awesome.
: But they are the ones you come back to woo,
: Only after your door is shut by Bob or Andrew.
: Don’t worry, dear Ping or Rong,
: Even if you have done something wrong.
|
|
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s*******h
发帖数: 565 | 91 just my two cents:
For Bob, his perfect recommendation letter is not reliable since he
wants to get rid of Rong as soon as possible. Maybe his words are not
reliable as well. I don't think a respectful professor (as a chairman?)
will play such kind of tricks.
For Rong, after PhD study and 2 years post-doc training, he should know
if he can success or survive in this field in the future. He should have
his own preliminary academic plan now. At least he should have learnt
something from Bob. Not t |
s*****s
发帖数: 1559 | 92 不管怎么说， 楼主有同情心就很好了。 变态是故意整人的主。
Rong 博士也许是真的没有过机会做过独立的研究，国内的老板教不了他什么，这个老
美只是利用了他。 我想如果他找到一个好的老板会干的不错的。 |
j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 93 To put it the best, LZ had intention to help
just like many others have intention to help earthquate survivors....
In the business world, so called talk the talk, walk the walk
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 不管怎么说， 楼主有同情心就很好了。 变态是故意整人的主。
: Rong 博士也许是真的没有过机会做过独立的研究，国内的老板教不了他什么，这个老
: 美只是利用了他。 我想如果他找到一个好的老板会干的不错的。
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t*******7
发帖数: 85 | 94 美国把人变得虚伪，自大了。
对你有用你就招，没用就不招。地球没你照转。什么培养别人了，你把博士后都当傻瓜
吗？能过来做博士后，不一定比你差，不过你努力一点，幸运一点而已。
不好意思，我这人说话就他妈冲，改不过来了。 |
s*****e
发帖数: 456 | 95 我觉得是否雇佣Rong，取决于你自己是一个什么样的人，取决于你对要招的博士后有什
么样的期望， 你会怎么给你的博士后训练
1 与人相处融洽：personality 没有问题
2 工作努力：对自己做的东西有热情
3 愿意学习新技术 智力上没有问题／有一定的创新观念
4 两年就有一篇文章：动手能力很强
5 英语交流能力差
6 不愿意读paper
7 独立能力不强，这里估计是指的不知道如何设计整个project，如果是的话，6和7
两个其实基本上一回事，就是不知道如何提出问题和设计，解决问题
我不知道大家实验室的博士后都怎么样，但我所在的实验室５，６个博士后中没有一个
人能以上六点都做得很好。5是国际学生的常见的弱点，但不是什么什么难以克服得障
碍，需要的是环境和时间。6和7 通常是因为读博士的时候在一个不懂得如何训练学生
的实验室度过的。 英语不好，会在很大程度上削弱交流效果。6&7 给人的感觉就是
不知道自己在做什么，为什么要做。而一般的老美5-7 做得很好。在美国，当你有5-7
得优点，1-4即使很差，你总能找到各种理由，借口来使你看起来不
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
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j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 96 Aglee!
Open the window (if you have one), see see sunshine more
和7
【在 s*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得是否雇佣Rong，取决于你自己是一个什么样的人，取决于你对要招的博士后有什
: 么样的期望， 你会怎么给你的博士后训练
: 1 与人相处融洽：personality 没有问题
: 2 工作努力：对自己做的东西有热情
: 3 愿意学习新技术 智力上没有问题／有一定的创新观念
: 4 两年就有一篇文章：动手能力很强
: 5 英语交流能力差
: 6 不愿意读paper
: 7 独立能力不强，这里估计是指的不知道如何设计整个project，如果是的话，6和7
: 两个其实基本上一回事，就是不知道如何提出问题和设计，解决问题
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q**********0
发帖数: 335 | 97 最近版上"劝退风","post-doc 攻击中国PI之风"狂涨,在这个时候LZ写这篇故事,我认为
只是想提醒中国post-doc们,清楚他们在PI(美国及中国)眼中的实际情况,弄清楚他们自
身的弱点.不要一味地抱怨. |
j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 98 劝退风
是一个opinion, 提供的是一个option,
市场经济，当提供的工资低于非法老墨时，老美的标准做法是off the market, 选择不
工作
Post-doc 因为身分， 因为语言， 因为。。。 连这个option 都没有
post-doc 攻击中国PI之风
茅盾是不太可以调和的，是老板和员工的茅盾
老板会找出员工的一切问题， 来justify 给他老墨工资是合理的
和劝退风是对立的， 都劝退了， 再到哪里找那样的labor？ 然道老墨的cleaning
lady可以？虽然工资是差不多的. 可惜的是国人何以如此残忍？ |
s******8
发帖数: 2131 | 99 Surprisingly, I read through the post and all the followups. Everyone seems
right in some aspect.
,
Rong)
author
about
described
to
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
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j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 100 嗯， 我很爱狗，有一只， male lab，over three years old now
比一半的(decent individual) 人要好
谢谢关心，目前一直好运， 老板和我都不错, 但达不到你的那种mental bond.
你你你可能需要提高一些个人素质问题
有读过书， 不能代表个人素质啊
在有的人的世界里， 可能Psycho代表normal, normal 代表nice,
多出来走走， 看看外面的世界， 好处很多
some BT boss before...otherwise, as an individual, underdog |
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j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 101 你你你女的？ 怎么可以用这么强烈的字眼哟？
你也喜欢E文？ 和楼主的他开夫妻店的？
发信人: neverthink (nevernetbug), 信区: Biology
标 题: 有奖征文: 生物版一周记---水大王八多
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 20:16:05 2010, 美东)
如题: 生物版一周记： 水大王八多, ，包子不多, 只表芳心 hoho...，
some BT boss before...otherwise, as an individual, underdog |
f***4
发帖数: 886 | 102 有人认为Dr. Biologist是个好人，有人认为他喜欢JJWW，也有人认为他不怎么地；
这本来也没啥啊；出来写这么长的文章就应该知道这个结果；世上哪有完美的人，事。
没必要说话这么强烈吧
some BT boss before...otherwise, as an individual, underdog |
D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 103 Honesty is appreciated among colleagues. Everyone knows
that written recommendation letters usually inflate the person. If you
highly recommended your student to a professor you know and the professor
later found the student was far from what you said in the letter, you will
lose trust and reputation, all your future students will have trouble
finding
jobs. It is a delicate balance.
【在 B********d 的大作中提到】
: 您不觉得 Bob 这样的人很不地道吗 ? 为什么要两份不同的推荐, 书面正面, 电话中阴
: 损. 你确定他的判断正确,或者他和这个博士后没有个人间别人不知道的冲突 ?
:
: ,
: Rong)
: author
: about
: described
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n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 104 sure, I totally understand and respect that...nonetheless, I wish you could
have checked the other ID's
previous comments on several different threads before u like to speak on
this particular case...we are not new
IDs here, I think neither of us will attack others easily, do u agree? When
I do it, normally I got a sound reason,
right or wrong, I'll leave that to others to judge....
【在 f***4 的大作中提到】
: 有人认为Dr. Biologist是个好人，有人认为他喜欢JJWW，也有人认为他不怎么地；
: 这本来也没啥啊；出来写这么长的文章就应该知道这个结果；世上哪有完美的人，事。
: 没必要说话这么强烈吧
:
: some BT boss before...otherwise, as an individual, underdog
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j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 105 又放出来了？
let me cheer you up!
Joke of the day:
出门买凉拌牛肉，忽然一人牵一狗经过擦肩而过，那只狗就巴巴的跟着我手上的凉拌牛肉跑，结果主人及时拉住它，我清楚地听见主人跟狗说："理性点！" 我当场石化
could
When
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: sure, I totally understand and respect that...nonetheless, I wish you could
: have checked the other ID's
: previous comments on several different threads before u like to speak on
: this particular case...we are not new
: IDs here, I think neither of us will attack others easily, do u agree? When
: I do it, normally I got a sound reason,
: right or wrong, I'll leave that to others to judge....
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P******B
发帖数: 65 | 106 Strongly agree, those trained in EU countries are of varying quality. More
aggressive in general, though
【在 a****o 的大作中提到】
: 老美连欧洲的博士都觉得不行呢
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Y**********j
发帖数: 369 | 107 He is unlicky person. He works hard, which is his advantage. He lacks
training, which is not his fault, is the fault of education system in China.
If he could have money and chance enough just as you, he will do as good as
you. You are lucky to be a professor in USA but he is not. To help such an
unlucky postdoctoral seem not a difficult decision. If I have the lucky like
you, I will do it though I am only a postdoctoral now.
,
Rong)
author
about
described
【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】
: A while ago, a Chinese postdoc knocked on my door inquiring for a position,
: with CV in hand. After a brief conversation, I learned that the postdoc (Rong)
: had been with Bob Anderson (Chairman of Dept. of xxx; fake name) on a J-1
: visa for nearly two years. Rong received his Ph.D. from China. He had
: worked very hard in Bob’s lab, and his work had earned him a co-first author
: JBC paper (in press).
: I thought a JBC paper in <2 years was quite impressive, and asked more about
: it. He instantly dow
|
j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 108 刚刚有跟你说放出来后要rational一点
笑话没看懂， 对你来说太深刻了？
what
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: sure, I totally understand and respect that...nonetheless, I wish you could
: have checked the other ID's
: previous comments on several different threads before u like to speak on
: this particular case...we are not new
: IDs here, I think neither of us will attack others easily, do u agree? When
: I do it, normally I got a sound reason,
: right or wrong, I'll leave that to others to judge....
|
n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 109 hey, kid, behave like a human being/( or person) or you get what you ask for
, period....BTW, I am done with
this and supposedly not my responsibility to make sure you grow up like a
person...
【在 j*****h 的大作中提到】
: 刚刚有跟你说放出来后要rational一点
: 笑话没看懂， 对你来说太深刻了？
:
: what
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j*****h
发帖数: 3292 | 110 嗯， 我年纪是不大， 但想要behave myself, 做 Dr. B 一样的decent 的人
你年纪应该不小了，lab 附近有shrink吗？ 可以去看看。
nothing to be ashamed of.
for
【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: hey, kid, behave like a human being/( or person) or you get what you ask for
: , period....BTW, I am done with
: this and supposedly not my responsibility to make sure you grow up like a
: person...
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l*h
发帖数: 4124 | 111 公司名字应该叫GenScript，不是GeneScript。离Rutgers似乎挺近的。中国人开的公司。
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I think the time is changing though. Recently our department signed a deal
: with genescript. They have units in China so they offer us quite cheap
: services. Now our lab outsources all cloning and other routine molecular
: type of work. I just design my primers and it comes back to me in a few
: days. Maybe this type of trend will finally put an end to the era of using
: postdoc as technicians.
:
: works,
: again
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D*********t
发帖数: 370 | 112 I have no doubt about your assessment and I appreciate your compassion.
I didn't (and don't) have unlimited resources, which was the main reason at
the time.
China.
as
an
like
【在 Y**********j 的大作中提到】
: He is unlicky person. He works hard, which is his advantage. He lacks
: training, which is not his fault, is the fault of education system in China.
: If he could have money and chance enough just as you, he will do as good as
: you. You are lucky to be a professor in USA but he is not. To help such an
: unlucky postdoctoral seem not a difficult decision. If I have the lucky like
: you, I will do it though I am only a postdoctoral now.
:
: ,
: Rong)
: author
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