R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 1 http://www.bcbsr.com/topics/servetus.html
Michael Servetus was a Christian living in the 1500's who incurred the wrath
of John Calvin and was murdered by him and his cronies for illegitimate rea
sons. He was accused of heresy and railroaded through a mock trial and put t
o death being burned alive at the stake. Yet such an atrocity was praised by
even well-known Calvinists as Bullinger and others for generations.
A couple of quotes from John Calvin himself:
7 years before the incident:
"If he [S... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6300 | 2 The Facts about Calvin and Servetus:
Those who throw out these charges against Calvin would do well to actually
study the issue as opposed to bearing false witness.
1. Michael Servetus taught many unorthodox heresies: astrology,pantheism,
Neo-Platonism, Semi-Pelagianism, rejected the Trinity,rejected the Deity of
Christ.
2. Servetus was convicted by the Inquisition in France for his heresies, but
he escaped before sentencing.
3. Calvin warned him not to come to Geneva because he was would not be... 阅读全帖 |
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j*****7
发帖数: 10575 | 4 加尔文有没有将Michael Servetus挂置于柱子上活活烧死？
myelsa引用的文章里说，有。
http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon.php?id=4058&tid=1215&nid=98095&s=all
当人熟睡的时候（二）译文
如果细细看过这篇文章，意思是很清楚的
1）耶稣严厉的警告，会有异端的出现，并且混入教会，搅扰教会
2）教会从500年到1500年，连同世界一同进入“黑暗时代”。这说的是罗马天主教
3）新教改革呢？马丁和加尔文把任何与他们意见不同的都定为绝对异端。
4）新教改革者建立起了国家基督教，背离了耶稣的教导。
5）这才是重点。一些人逃到美洲，真正开始自由的研习圣经，产生了成百上千的新宗
派。我想他要说的是耶和华见证人会吧。
我想问问，myelsa一向坚持，不可以评判别人的信仰，一切等到基督再来的，就清楚了。
那么，你把天主教/新教，拉出来批判，是个什么意思呢？
烧死人的事情，下面来说 |
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发帖数: 6300 | 5 Servetus就该认清当时的敌人是天主教的腐败政府，不是天主教的神学或新教的神学，
根本就是没有政治头脑的无用书生，他的专长不过是研究可见的形而下学。他一夜成名
全是拜托马克思主义者和变态犹太作家茨威格（《异端的权利》是小说不是历史！），
还有就是他“傍上了”神学巨擎加尔文。 |
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发帖数: 712 | 6 CALVIN BELIEVED IN INFANT BAPTISM
Calvin said, "Baptism is properly administered to infants is something owed
to them."
CALVIN BELIEVED IN SACRAMENTS EQUAL TO GOD'S WORD
"Therefore, let it be regarded as a settled principle that the sacraments
have the same office as the Word of God: to offer and set forth Christ to us
, and in him the treasures of heavenly grace."
CALVIN BELIEVED IN AMILLENNIALISM AND WAS AGAINST PREMILLENNIALISM
Calvin said, "But a little later there followed the Chiliasts, wh... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 637 | 7 Calvin DID murder Servetus., January 21, 2010
By Joe Sevy "JMS" (Idaho USA)
This review is from: Did Calvin Murder Servetus? (Paperback)
This will be an ongoing review as the book is read.
The author utterly destroys all hope Calvinist apologists may have nurtured
that Calvin's character might be salvageable. His guilt is unequivocally est
ablished and demonstrated for all to see. A clearer demonstration of the fol
ly of giving the veneer of authority to the opinions of one man can scarcely
be... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 8 Servetus: The Arch Heretic
Born Miguel Serveto in Villanova in 1511, the man known to the world as Mich
ael Servetus "discovered the pulmonary circulation of the blood - the passag
e of the blood from the right chamber of the heart along the pulmonary arter
y to and through the lungs, its purification there by aeration, and its retu
rn via the pulmonary vein to the left chamber of the heart." He was in some
ways "a bit more insane than the average of his time," announcing the end of
the world in... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 9 The Torture And Burning Of Servetus
Early in the trial, which lasted two months, Calvin wrote to Farel, "I hope
that sentence of death will be passed upon him." 52 To understand Calvin, we
need to consider that if the God one believes in predestines billions of th
e "totally depraved" to a burning hell (all of whom He could rescue), then t
o burn at the stake an obviously totally depraved heretic would seem quite m
ild and easily justifiable. That logic, however, seems somehow to escape man
y of... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 10 The Torture And Burning Of Servetus
Early in the trial, which lasted two months, Calvin wrote to Farel, "I hope
that sentence of death will be passed upon him." 52 To understand Calvin, we
need to consider that if the God one believes in predestines billions of th
e "totally depraved" to a burning hell (all of whom He could rescue), then t
o burn at the stake an obviously totally depraved heretic would seem quite m
ild and easily justifiable. That logic, however, seems somehow to escape man
y of... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 11 Calvin's Self-Justifications (by Dave Hunt)
Some critics argued that burning Servetus would only encourage the Roman Cat
holics of France to do the same to the Huguenots (70,000 would be slaughtere
d in one night in 1572).
Stung by such opposition, in February 1554, Calvin published a broadside aim
ed at his critics: Defensio orthodoxae fidei de sacra Trinitate contra prodi
giosos errores Michaelis Serveti. He argued that all who oppose God's truth
are worse than murderers because murder merely ... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 12
Also:
In an introduction written in the 1870s to his unfinished work the
Dialectics of Nature, Engels wrote: “It was the greatest progressive
revolution that mankind had so far experienced, a time which called for
giants and produced giants─giants in power of thought, passion and
character, in universality and learning. The men who founded the modern rule
of the bourgeoisie had anything but bourgeois limitations. On the contrary,
the adventurous character of the time inspired them to a greater ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1153 | 13 请两位消消气。大家都希望更好地理解和诠释基督信仰，精神可嘉。相信神一定会满足
人们渴望了解他的心愿！
Michael Servetus案经常会成为反对Calvin's Geneva的例证，无情的事实成为加尔文
理论发展中的败笔。不过需要了解的是，Geneva当时是神权政治，Servetus很清楚政教
合一的危险，那么他为什么要“以身试法”？觉得信法论功也没必要去天安门广场示威
。当然，政府应该尊重人权，民主自由。不过这里的限度，大家心里还是有个底。在加
尔文生活的时代，政教合一的天主教会也曾对加尔文主义者实行严酷打击，烧死很多人
。Servetus大概是唯一一个被Protestant Geneva烧死的。加尔文当时曾努力试图建议
相对人道的死刑方式，然而Geneva政府不买他的帐。当然，即便是一个，也是被迫害致
死了；假使人道，也是因信仰矛盾而被迫害致死了。无论是加尔文主义，天主教，还是
其它基督教教派，都会从中吸取教训，按照圣经的启示审视和指导自身的行为。需要引
起注意的是，政教合一总是件危险的事，无论对于什么宗教。大家都认为自己的理论是
治国安民之上策，但不知是宗教控制了政治，还是... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1153 | 14 误解就这样出现了。出现的原因可能是写的人表达不准确，也可能是读的人理解出现偏
差。好在原创还健在，可以亲自解释一下。
我反对一切只因为信仰理论差异而致人于死地的人类活动，尤其是打着神的旗号。请提
示一下原文哪里没表达清楚，使你产生误解，今后一定留神。
读书还是需要的，常提醒自己，因为我比较懒。如果认真地打算令人信服地反对一种理
论，就更需要读相关的书，包括拥护这一理论的书，从不同角度客观审视这一理论。如
果你坚信自己是正确的，该不会怕读涉及和支持加尔文理论的书会动摇你吧？如果不读
孔孟和后世继承孔孟思想人的传世之作，只读诋毁先圣的文章，可否就此坚决批判封建
礼教吃人，警告世人不要受其束缚呢？岂不知孔孟之道乃是中华文明的渊源。
worsh
unfortunatel
【 在 Beginner10 (Elementary10) 的大作中提到: 】
请两位消消气。大家都希望更好地理解和诠释基督信仰，精神可嘉。相信神一定会满足
人们渴望了解他的心愿！
Michael Servetus案经常会成为反对Calvin's Geneva的例证，无情的事实成为加尔文
理论发展中的败笔。不过需要了解的是... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6571 | 15 For Haven's sake, you were supposed to do better than that. Now you failed,
may I courtly suggest that you follow my lead, please?
Needless to say, abortion is a sin completed forbidden in the Rule Book. It
definitely fails under the category upon which Calvin would pour out
condemnation and punishment. Remember Mr.Servetus, the victim of Calvinism?
He was burnt to death because of the JUST wrath burning in the heart of
Calvin against the sin that Mr.Servetus was convicted by his heretical views |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 16 Historian R. Tudor Jones declares that this tract, which Calvin wrote in def
ense of the burning of Michael Servetus, "is Calvin at his most chilling ...
as frightening in its way as Luther's tract against the rebellious peasants
." Eight years later Calvin was still defending himself against criticism an
d still advocating the burning of heretics. In a 1561 letter to the Marquis
de Poet, high chamberlain to the King of Navarre, Calvin advises sternly:
... do not fail to rid the country of those... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 17 John 16: 33 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace.
In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the wo
rld."
Christians often use this verse to comfort each other. It reminds me 《阿Q
正传》，精神胜利法. Another problem is the meaning of "the world". The und
erstanding of "the world" was made very complicated by Calvinists. In John
16:33, the two "world" seem to me having different meanings. What kind of "
world" did Jesus overcome? I think that is a ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 18 congratulations to you, you agree Semi-Pelagianism and Arminianism?
My view of Trinity is similar to Michael Servetus's:
" Servetus affirmed that the divine Logos, the manifestation of God and not
a separate divine Person, was incarnated in a human being, Jesus, when God's
spirit came into the womb of the Virgin Mary. Only from the moment of conce
ption, was the Son actually generated. Therefore the Son was not eternal, bu
t only the Logos from which He was formed. "
biblically, I am a truely re... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 19 how about John Calvin burned Michael Servetus? Did John Calvin ever feel
sorry for the death of Servetus? |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 20 实话实说不骂街讲道理辩论怎么叫攻击呢，同名查查你在基板发过的帖子看看，初步估
计95%以上的帖子都是毫无内容的叫嚣骂街，我个人觉得这才叫攻击哪，说说看，你发
这些帖子的时候是种啥心态？
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b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 21
正因为中世纪天主教的堕落，才有了马丁路德的宗教改革，才有了现在的基督新教啊。
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天主教不会以过往烧异端的事为荣。
指责是由非基督教人仕提出， 还无可厚非，
但由你这个新教徒来指控天主教烧异端如何如何不是。。。。就有点令我诡异。
你应该也翻开你教会的历史看一看， 了解了解才好开口。
身在玻璃屋内的人实在不应学人掷石头。
新教的开山祖师马丁路德， 加尔文,
Beza, Knox, ,Cranmer 等。。全部都是宗教审
裁的支持者。
他们认为有需要以惩罚手段来遏止异端散播。
加尔文更亲自处理审讯异端 Jacques Gouet 和
Michael Servetus。
Jacques Gouet于 1547年被斩首，
Servetus 于 1553以判火刑，
比天主教烧死布鲁诺还要早几十年！
不见新教在宗教审裁上可以如彼拉多般用水洗手， 表明钉耶稣与他无关。 |
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发帖数: 8336 | 22 怀疑者的八大质疑(七下) “教会历史充满压迫与暴力”
编者注: 这一系列文章是改编自 李·史特博(Lee Strobel)所著的《为何说‘不’?
— 基督信仰再思》(The Case for Faith). 史特博是耶鲁大学法学硕士, 美国著名日
报《芝加哥论坛报》屡获新闻奖的法庭与法事资深记者和编辑, 并在罗斯福大学任教.
他曾是个不信神的怀疑者, 极力反对基督信仰. 但他因着妻子1979年信主后人品和性格
的改变而对基督信仰开始改观. 他要找出有没有可靠的证据, 证明耶稣是神的儿子. 为
了证实四福音的可靠性, 并主耶稣受死和复活的真实性, 他以两年时间访查13位美国著
名圣经学者, 向他们提出怀疑派常问的尖锐问题. 结果是: 在证据确凿, 无懈可击的情
况下, 他于1981年11月8日, 真诚地认罪悔改, 接受主耶稣基督为他的救主. 他把访查
实录写于《重审耶稣》(The Case for Christ)一书中.
信主后的史特博读了不少质疑基督信仰的书籍和文章, 包括一本题为《告别上帝: 我摒
弃基督信仰的理由》的书. 此书作者坦布尔顿(Charles Templeton)本是... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5581 | 23 什么啊，Michael Servetus 怎么也不能翻译成哈维吧？塞维特主要是反对三位一体。
要说他没被天主教廷迫害那就是笑话了，法国的异端裁判所已经判处他火刑了，只不过
他跑掉了。 |
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发帖数: 3240 | 24 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
truth (民主·枫林·桃园·红卫) 于 (Sat Sep 1 02:30:27 2012, 美东) 提到:
《历史学习》2005年第3期 邓继群 广东省东莞市光明中学
人教版高中教材《中国古代史》第八节《隋唐文化的繁荣》中说：“一行还是世界
上用科学方法实测地球子午线长度的创始人。”有学生问：既然僧一行能够用科学方法
测量子午线，难道他不知道地圆学说吗？要弄清这个问题，必须从以下几个方面入手。
一、僧一行是如何测量子午线长度的
唐朝开元年间，僧一行为编撰大衍历进行了大规模的天文实测，南方到达交州，北
方抵达铁勒，其间共有12个测量点。开元十二年（公元724年），由僧一行领导的，由
南宫说等人主持的在河南的测量最为重要。他们在河南的白马、浚仪、扶沟、上蔡等地
测量了夏至正午日影长和北极高，又用绳子丈量了它们之间的距离，经归算，从白马到
上蔡有526.9里，日影长相差2.1寸。一行还通过与其他地方的测量相比较，得出地上南
北相差351.27里，北极高度相差1度。根据我国古制1里等于300步，... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2152 | 26
Servetus burning at the stake
by Eduourd Elzingre (1909) |
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发帖数: 6858 | 27 認識基督教 -- 一個以『愛』為名的邪教
2011/01/14 11:05:52瀏覽3452｜回應1｜推薦6
最後的晚餐
前言
定這種題目，我想很多人都會想要罵我，先別急！？因為定義基督教為『邪教』我並不
是第一人，早在西元 4 世紀之前，羅馬帝國就已經定義基督教為邪教，後來因為政治
上的需要，君士坦丁大帝才將基督教改為國教，甚至到東羅馬帝國皇帝狄奧多西二世曾
經在 435 年頒佈命令對所有除猶太人以外的異教徒處以死刑。而一些伊斯蘭教國家，
如中東的沙特阿拉伯、非洲的迦納等信奉伊斯蘭教國家中基督教是被視為『邪教』列入
禁止的，信徒只能秘密聚會。
然而把基督教列為『邪教』這種有悖於世俗觀念的命題，並非是大隻熊要譁眾取寵，而
是有鑑於近幾年國人被基督教文化污染的人越來越多，一些光怪陸離的現象不斷的出現
，甚至越演越烈。比方說，有些教會強調耶穌的靈能夠驅鬼、致病（這個與一些地方乩
童、黃大仙有異曲同工之妙），有些則教導信眾被教導不要崇拜偶像，但是到後來甚至
連祭祖也一併禁止之列。有些則被灌輸『末日審判』的觀念，強要信眾捐輸、奉獻（怨
妻上教會 夫潑汽油嗆：耶穌怎麼救）最後導致妻（夫）離子散... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10575 | 29 当人熟睡的时候（二）译文
http://www.harvestherald.com/while_men_slept.htm
现在，有如此之多的教派自己宣称拥有圣经真理，这确实是非常危险的。因为造成很多
基督徒感到圣经学习不是那么重要，绝对的圣经真理和其教义可以至于第二位。我想邀
请任何一个基督徒，凡是诚实渴望想知道真理的人，亲自听听作为救主耶稣的话：
且有好些假先知起来，迷惑多人。马太福音24：11
我告诉你们，他要快快地给他们伸冤。然而人子来的时候，
在世上找得到这种信心吗？”路加福音18：8
耶稣预告说，许多人会被迷惑，不是少数，却是许多人。其次，人子来的时候，“在世
上找得到这种信心吗？”似乎暗示着他知道等他回来的时候，很难在地上找到这种真正
的信心。
这告诉我们什么呢？假定主流教派就拥有真理是很危险的。耶稣一定知道我们今日的情
况，他知道在21世纪之初，知道将会有巨型教堂，上数百万美元的宗教组织，卫星电视
和众多基督教电台广播节目。然而，所有这一切，仍需要问一个严峻的问题：人子来的
时候，他能在世上找得到真信心吗？
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发帖数: 1179 | 30
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5）这才是重点。一些人逃到美洲，真正开始自由的研习圣经，产生了成百上千的新宗
派。我想他要说的是耶和华见证人会吧。 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 31 加爾文是個獨裁者， 他手上做的事他都有責任。
這種開脫方式跟幫比拉多開脫殺耶穌差不多， 都是別人的錯。 |
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b**d
发帖数: 7644 | 35 请问使用火刑有特殊意义吗？ 如果是残忍度的话，我认为凌迟和炮烙也很适应呀？ |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 36
這是耶穌親自規定的刑法
John 15:6 人若不常在我裡面、就像枝子丟在外面枯乾、人拾起來、扔在火裡燒了。
當然現在的基督徒會說這只是比喻，不過中世紀的時候加爾文這些殘忍的傢伙
確實認為耶穌叫他們要燒人。 |
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发帖数: 10575 | 38 老婆怀孕了，所以我要在家看孩子
大会结束后应该有讲到录音可以下载或者索购
这种大会可以帮助了解现在中国基督教的总体发展情况 |
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发帖数: 9567 | 41 http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/ashes.htm
His Ashes Cry Out Against John Calvin
Dan Corner
You are about to read an important part of church history from the
Reformation period that has been so concealed in our day that very few
people know the facts. Brace yourself for a shock.
On October 27, 1553 John Calvin, the founder of Calvinism, had Michael
Servetus, the Spanish physician, burned at the stake just outside of Geneva
for his doctrinal heresies!(1) Hence, the originator of the popular do |
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发帖数: 10575 | 42 http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon_4058_98095.html
当人熟睡的时候（二）译文
没有比这个还危险的事情了！如果真的基督信仰者在使徒的时期就被赶出教会，如果使
徒们已经警告了，就在使徒们离开以后，“必有凶暴的豺狼进入你们中间”，那么我们
会把多少的信心，建立在使徒们去世的200年之中写的东西呢？
历史告诉我们到了公元500年的时候，基督教已经被世俗的政府以及异教所影响，整个
世界陷入“黑暗时代”，这个时期延续了1000年，真正的信仰之光已经熄灭，任何人，
要想对抗天主教的教导，或者反对圣神的罗马帝国的话，就会危及个人的生命。
那么在大约公元1500年开始的宗教改革又如何？是否改革者就彻底恢复了真信心以及来
自圣经的纯正教导呢？无需置疑，改革的确有帮助，主要是最终圣经可以被大众接触到
了。然而，主要改革者的跟从者们，（路德，加尔文）始终保留了很多从黑暗时代发展
起来的谬误。路德和加尔文两个人都对任何人不同意他们的主张的，宣布为绝对的异端
。加尔文如此之过极，甚至将Michael Servetus 挂置于柱子上活活烧死，就是因为他
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发帖数: 10575 | 43 http://www.mitbbs.com/pc/pccon_4058_98095.html
当人熟睡的时候（二）译文
历史告诉我们到了公元500年的时候，基督教已经被世俗的政府以及异教所影响，整个
世界陷入“黑暗时代”，这个时期延续了1000年，真正的信仰之光已经熄灭，任何人，
要想对抗天主教的教导，或者反对圣神的罗马帝国的话，就会危及个人的生命。
那么在大约公元1500年开始的宗教改革又如何？是否改革者就彻底恢复了真信心以及来
自圣经的纯正教导呢？无需置疑，改革的确有帮助，主要是最终圣经可以被大众接触到
了。然而，主要改革者的跟从者们，（路德，加尔文）始终保留了很多从黑暗时代发展
起来的谬误。路德和加尔文两个人都对任何人不同意他们的主张的，宣布为绝对的异端
。加尔文如此之过极，甚至将Michael Servetus 挂置于柱子上活活烧死，就是因为他
不同意加尔文关于三位一体的解释。
在后来，一些宗教的改革者们开始建立起国家基督教，正如罗马天主教一样。这跟耶稣
教导的他的真门徒跟这个世界保持分离多么相背而行！
一直到一些人为了躲避宗教迫害，寻求自由而开始定居于北美洲，真正的自由的经文 |
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发帖数: 6791 | 44 "His (Calvin's) religion was demonism. If ever man worshiped a false God, he
did. The being described in his five points is ... a demon of malignant
spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all, than to
blaspheme him by the atrocious, attributes of Calvin."
(Works, 1829 edition, p. 363.)
"The Presbyterian clergy are the loudest, the most intolerant of all sects;
the most tyrannical and ambitious, ready at the word of the law-giver, if
such a word could now be obtained, to put ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1911 | 45 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 三位一体 owe what? burning Dr. Servetus? |
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发帖数: 3781 | 46 Michael Servetus was sentenced to death on two counts of heresy: Unitarianis
m and rejection of infant baptism.
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 47 you should focus on heaven, not hell :)
Jesus died for all human being. If you deny this, your belief is a cult.
very simple judgement. I can die for this belief like Michael Servetus |
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发帖数: 3781 | 48 7:7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it th
at its works are evil.
Why did the world hate Jesus Christ? Jesus was only known by Jews in a very
small region at that time. Secondly, why did these Jews hate Jesus?
7:31 Yet many of the people believed in him. They said, "When the Christ app
ears, will he do more signs than this man has done?"
Didn't Jesus warn us about false prophets? What if Jesus himself was a fals
e prophet? This is exactly what these Jews wor... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4956 | 49 7:7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it th
at its works are evil.
Why did the world hate Jesus Christ? Jesus was only known by Jews in a very
small region at that time. Secondly, why did these Jews hate Jesus?
经文里说了，因为耶稣指正他们做的事是恶的。犹太人只是世人的一个代表而已
事实上，约翰福音一开始就说的很清楚
耶稣是世界的光。可是这个世界的人却不认识、不接受、不接待耶稣。
1:5 光照在黑暗里，黑暗却不接受光。
约 1:9 那光是真光，照亮一切生在世上的人。 约 1:10 他在世界，世界也是藉着他
造的，世界却不认识他。
约 1:11 他到自己的地方来，自己的人倒不接待他。
7:31 Yet many of the people believed in him. They said, "When the... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 50 Michael Servetus was burned by Calvinists for two reasons
(1) He does not accept Ttrinity
(2) He does not accept infant Baptism |
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