T******g 发帖数: 21328 | 1 大概能看出来威力指数
7.62mm Tokarev (7.62x25mm) -- 85 gr FMJ, 1550 fps, 453 ftlbs. Sellier &
Bello
9mm Luger (9x19mm) -- 124 gr JHP, 1120 fps, 341 ftlbs. Speer Gold Dot SOC
45 ACP (11.43x23.5mm) -- 230 gr FMJ, 869 fps, 386 ftlbs. M1911 ball
7.5mm Swiss (7.5x55mm) -- 174 gr FMJ, 2560 fps, 2533 ftlbs. Ruag surplus
7.62x39mm Soviet -- 123 gr FMJ, 2300 fps, 1445 ftlbs. Norinco,
7.62x54R Russian -- 150 gr FMJ (steel core), 2700 fps, 2429 ftlbs. surplus
全部见下
http://www.geocities.com/alancook.geo/ammo.htm
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Am... 阅读全帖 |
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d*******s 发帖数: 15155 | 2 Luger P08 Parabellium
Origins
Georg Luger developed the 9×19mm Parabellum cartridge from Luger's earlier
7.65×21mm Parabellum. In 1902, Luger presented the new round to the British
Small Arms Committee as well as three prototype versions to the U.S. Army
for testing at Springfield Arsenal in mid-1903. The German Navy adopted the
cartridge in 1904 and in 1906 the German Army adopted it as well.[11]
The initial cartridge was created by removing the bottleneck of the 7.65 mm
Luger cartridge, result... 阅读全帖 |
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s******3 发帖数: 802 | 3 今天去靶场试了不少9mm枪,包括大家推荐的名枪。首先,9mm的后座没有想象的那么可
怕,女生可以handle,但不同但枪打起来感觉还是不一样。
试了一下几把:
HK P30S
Bretta PX4
CZ75-SP01
Sig 226
Walther PPQ
Smith and Wesson M&P9 pro
XDM
Beretta 92FS
先说真爱,就是最后这把Beretta 92FS-CAL 9mm parabellum patented,金属frame,后
座非常柔和,trigger非常清脆,简直各种喜欢。不知道好不好买,我们local的靶场要
价750$,暂时缺货。请教大牛,网上一般多少钱能收到?这个型号好买吗?
其次2把是HK P30s and Walther PPQ,都不错,但我还是好喜欢Beretta 92FS-CAL 9mm
parabellum。
Sig 226我完全没准头,handle不来。S&W, XDM手感都很差,后座也不好掌握。其余几
把,无功无过。
哪里能买到Beretta 92FS-CAL 9mm parabellum patented,查了几个网站都没找... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********r 发帖数: 1693 | 4 真大;9 mm parabellum, 就是9mm luger; 果断wiki之
The name Parabellum is derived from the Latin: Si vis pacem, para bellum ("
If you seek peace, prepare for war"), which was the motto of DWM.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.3 |
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c**********e 发帖数: 71 | 5 店里的人说9×19mm Parabellum,但是看网上卖的9mm子弹都没有9x19还有Parabellum
的字样。还是所有的9mm子弹都可以用? |
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s******3 发帖数: 802 | 6
感谢。Beretta 92FS BRIG INOX 9mm 15RD这个型号是Beretta 92FS-CAL 9mm
parabellum patented的新版本吗?
喜欢这把的枪身。打起来和我今天试的感觉一样吗?我喜欢Beretta 92FS-CAL 9mm
parabellum patented是因为这把枪后座柔和,扳机清脆,不知道链接里的这把如何。 |
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W*******a 发帖数: 1769 | 7 别胡扯了,墨西哥gun law比中国松多了,在你眼里只要比美国严的都叫‘控制严’
http://www.davekopel.com/espanol/Mexican-Gun-Laws.htm
The Mexican Constitution guarantees the right of Mexicans to possess
arms. Even so, gun control laws in Mexico are very strict, and police
discretion in enforcement makes possession of firearms of greater than
.22 very difficult.
The Cinco de Mayo celebration, commemorating Mexico’s 1867 victory
against French colonialists enjoys a little-known tie to American
firearms. Before the French Emperor Nap... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********g 发帖数: 30882 | 8 中国军费首次超过1000亿美元,德国人嫉妒的评论
2012-03-08 07:15:34.0
Chinas Milit?retat erstmals über 100 Milliarden Dollar
中国军费首次超过1000亿美元
Chinas Milit?rausgaben steigen um mehr als elf Prozent – als einzige
Gro?macht rüstet das Land zweistellig auf. Ein Sprecher findet die Zahlen
trotzdem niedrig.
中国军费增幅超过11%- 大国中唯一一个军费涨超过两位数的,,一名发言人表示
这个数据仍然太低。
主要内容是:
1060亿美元
中国表示和平发展
印日等国警告军备竞赛
为了应对美国战略转移和包围
2011年首次测试进攻性武器(航妈,J-20)
南海和钓鱼岛纠纷是逐渐强硬
评论部分:
第一条中国的
Hop Sing vor 1 Tag
Wir Chinesen halten uns an den alten r?mischen Spruch... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********d 发帖数: 9770 | 9 军武次位面
更多内容2017-11-02 20:26:36
终于得到梦寐以求的鲁格啦!
看过《兄弟连》等二战著名影视作品的观众朋友们,肯定都会对一款大名鼎鼎的德军手
枪有着深刻的记忆,毫无疑问,它就是德军的“鲁格P08”(Parabellum P08 'Luger'
Handgun)这款造型别致、加工精美的手枪究竟有何特别之处,以致于让二战时期欧陆
战场上的美国大兵们,都对它充满了执念呢?今天军武就和大家一起来聊聊这个话题。
▲可惜给的不是我
德军的象征与大兵装X的需要
鲁格P08手枪的生产时间很长,它在19世纪末由奥地利人“Georg Luger”设计,这也是
此款枪械“Luger”鲁格外号的由来(与“Luger”相对的还有一家美国的枪械品牌“
Ruger”,在中文文献当中,这两个品牌经常同被译为“卢格”或“鲁格”而产生混淆
,本文所称的鲁格皆指“Luger”),在1904年和1908年,鲁格P08手枪分别被德国海、
陆军正式采用,自此开始了其在德国军队中的服役生涯。
▲鲁格与其发明人,鲁格P08
主要存在7.65毫米与9毫米两种版本
(11.43毫米的并未大量生产)
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M******a 发帖数: 6723 | 10 【 以下文字转载自 Mod_CHN_Hist 讨论区 】
发信人: Mayingba (吳鐘學), 信区: Mod_CHN_Hist
标 题: 奉天兵工厂
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jan 28 20:29:57 2018, 美东)
https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/mukden-arsenal-after-wwii/
Mukden Arsenal after WWII
April 3, 2017 jwh19752 Comments
(Zhang's Gate, the old entrance to Mukden Arsenal)
For people interested in Japanese firearms of WWII, the name Mukden Arsenal
is familiar. The history of the facility after Japan's defeat is less well
known. Under various names, it did surv... 阅读全帖 |
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g******t 发帖数: 18158 | 11 Hugo Schmeisser 从1945年到1952年在苏联给红军工作,52年回国,53年就过世了。他
过世的时候未必知道AK47后来的辉煌成就,没有记载他对AK发表了什么看法。
Hugo 的父亲就是著名的枪械设计师,Louis Schmeisser (5 February 1848, Zö
llnitz – 23 March 1917) was one of the best-known weapon technical
designers of Europe. He is associated with the development and production of
the Bergmann machine guns used during the first World War. Additionally, he
designed the Dreyse 1907 Pistol which saw use in both World Wars.
Hugo 自己没有给他老爸丢脸,两次大战都有杰出表现(他的设计在下一段),直到
1945年被苏联捉去的同一年还有StG 4... 阅读全帖 |
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S*******T 发帖数: 5156 | 12 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 上靶纸 ^_^,你的动作真快啊。我还没来得及拍靶纸你的就已经贴上来了。
.44 magnum是今天下午靶场里最抢眼的枪,我们一放,左右两个道的黑哥们都用羡慕的
眼光看过来。除了巨大的声响和枪口焰之外,弹头打在防护墙上甚至还激起火星。看看
这个9mm Parabellum和.44 Magnum的对比。 |
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l******u 发帖数: 1630 | 13 The .40 S&W cartridge has become a huge success in the United States because
, while possessing nearly identical accuracy[10], drift and drop, it adds
more energy over the 9 mm Parabellum with a more manageable recoil than the
10 mm Auto cartridge. In the rest of the world it has become a popular
combat pistol shooting sports cartridge.[citation needed] With good JHP
bullets in the more energetic loads (> 500 ft·lbf) the .40 S&W can create
hydrostatic shock in human-sized living targets.[11]
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 15 same thing
9x19, 9mm luger, 9mm parabellum, all the same. it's the most common 9mm
round in the US, so often just called 9mm. |
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c*****a 发帖数: 477 | 16 说的好. 9mm 一般是指9x19, 9mm luger, 9mm parabellum.还有一种叫.380ACP, 也
是9mm口径,稍短一些,9x17, 是欧洲制式,又叫 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Corto.
两者子弹是不互换的, 子弹价格能差一倍.除了.22LR, 9mm是最便宜的手枪子弹了. |
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S*******T 发帖数: 5156 | 17 你要说38spl能打死熊我相信,总有打中要害的时候。不过你说要防身,那就是熊主动
来进攻你了。几秒钟之内用这个比9mm Parabellum还弱三分之一的子弹放倒一头正对着
你冲过来的熊,哪怕是黑熊(这还算是你能事先察觉有时间把枪掏出来),我也是不敢
认同的。
去野外的话你总有个背包吧?放背包里的话44 mag的左轮肯定没问题。要是嫌背包反应
慢,腰包就是了。
黑人和老墨不喜欢户外活动的,我刚去大峡谷hiking,走到谷底的除了我们几个中国人
,剩下的全是白人,而且里面欧洲人比美国本土人多。至于泥格屙米哥阿三啥的,总得
到离rim一个钟头的路程里才会出现。 |
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g*****7 发帖数: 40 | 18 签名很和我一。parabellum 属于Luger? |
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 19 指纹保险盒的不要,用指纹解锁的笔记本都不是每次都行。
9mm,9×19mm,9mm Parabellum, 9mm Luger都是同一种,也是最常见的9毫米,当然
还有其它的9毫米。 |
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n****u 发帖数: 1200 | 20 其实呢,我觉得在家里练习的时候,反倒不紧张,尤其是你过了最初的阶段。
真发生事儿的时候,没上膛,没开保险等错误才会犯个不停。。
所以,我个人觉得,枪越简单,越少环节越好。最初我也是想弄个带thumb safe的,后
来连grip safe都没要,买的ppq和glock一样,都是扳机带个safe就没别的了。
真出事儿了。有枪就比没枪强,枪打响了就比没打响强,打中了就比没打中强,有停止
作用就比没有停止作用强,打死就比没打死强。
所以从拎起来到打响,还是手续越少越好,卡在无论哪个额外步骤上,都不值得啊。不
知道真实家防具体情况如何,反正我紧张的时候,不管干什么,都容易丢三落四的。
至于家里练习,推荐不要用FMJ子弹,也别用达姆弹,用达米弹吧,就放得开了。
http://www.amazon.com/9mm-Parabellum-Dummy-Cartridges-WW2/dp/B0 |
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 21 光线暗的时候什么颜色都没用, 只有night sight才可以看清。
beretta弹匣最好买原厂的. after market的太容易出问题了。
子弹我个人觉得什么便宜打什么, 前提是可以可靠的feed. 不推荐钢壳。
50rd $10左右就算不错的deal.
比如...
http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer/1000-rds-9mm-speer-lawman-1
注意9mm luger和9mm NATO的区别。 9mm Luger和para, parabellum都是一个东西, 但
NATO属于前者的+p型号。 你的92打它绝对没问题,但后座稍微要大一丁点。
用来自卫的话建议买些+P JHP常备着, 当然最好拿几发来打打,看看能不能正常上膛/
cycle.
重的弹头, 哪怕初速稍微慢一些, 可感后座也比轻而快的弹头大, 哪怕同样的动能
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 22 这不就是最普通的9毫米枪管吗?
9mm Para
9mm Parabellum
9mm Luger
9x19mm
都是同一种子弹,简称就是9mm,你去普通枪店说买9mm应该不会买到第二种子弹。
不过同一种外形尺寸的9mm会有超过普通SAMMI膛压的NATO,+P,+P+子弹,看一下说明
书上是否明确写明可以使用,或直接问厂家。SIG的枪能打+P应该是意料中的,不过我
说了不算,呵呵。 |
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a***a 发帖数: 8941 | 23 same caliber with different names:
9mm Luger
9x19
9mm Parabellum
Usually if you just say "9mm" without any additional description, people
will assume you are talking about 9mm Luger |
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O*******e 发帖数: 6055 | 24 就是说这三种枪用的是一种手枪弹?
9mm Luger = 9x19 = 9mm Parabellum? |
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d*****n 发帖数: 908 | 27 HANDGUN AMMUNITION:
SELF DEFENSE
Ammunition manufactured in the United States is among the finest in the
world. For intended defensive uses, the gun owner will not go wrong in
selecting ammunition produced by the most widely recognized manufacturers.
These include CCI/Speer, Cor-Bon, Federal, Remington, and Winchester.
Allow no margin for error in protecting one's life. Avoid potentially
unreliable ammunition that is hand loaded, re-loaded, or of dubious quality
foreign manufacture when ch... 阅读全帖 |
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w*****o 发帖数: 1806 | 28 看到哪个帖子里有位老大说的好: 要买就买名枪,而且名枪还要买让他成名的那个口
径。 感觉忒对咧。 但是我只知道.50AE 是沙鹰, 500是S&W 500.其他popular口径地
大家觉得什么算名枪啊?
.22 Long Rifle (LR)
.25
.32
.357 Mag
.357 Sig
.38 (revolver)
.380 auto/ 9mm Kurtz
.38 Super
9mm Luger/Parabellum/9X19
.40 SW
.44 Mag
.45 Auto/ACP
.45 Colt (revolver)
.50 AE --- desert eagle
500 S&W Magnum --- 500 revolver |
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c*****c 发帖数: 564 | 29 多谢了。另外9mm子弹有很多种,9mm Luger据说又有以下别称:9x19mm,9mm
Parabellum, 或 9mm NATO,请问都是同一种东西吗? |
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d*******s 发帖数: 15155 | 31 9mm luger, 9mm parabellum, 9mm NATO都可以,尺寸9x19mm。
有些给苏联的9x18你不能用。 |
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f******u 发帖数: 767 | 33 FYI
Here is just some extra information
"9mm" - Oh the beloved 9mm. Rappers dig it, Hollywood loves it, and we
know it's one of the best (watch this start a fight) autoloader pistol
rounds out there. What the hell is it? 9mm in common everyday speech is the
9x19mm NATO or 9mm Luger round. Do not be confused by ads or gun store
owners wanting to unload some POS on you because you're just lookin' for a "
9." The 9mm in the name, just like the 30 cals, is referring to the diameter
of the projectile... 阅读全帖 |
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d*******s 发帖数: 15155 | 34 para有的写得全称parabellum
9mm也是military caliber啊,连308都保不齐被禁的话,9mm也不好说。手枪上个大弹
匣,或者像beretta的cx4 storm,kel-tec那几个伪手枪的货,近距离杀伤不比“
assault rifle”小啊,还更容易隐藏 |
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t**********e 发帖数: 1590 | 35
只对应P226 9mm。或者别的枪支的9mm,9x19,9mm luger或者9x19 Parabellum。 |
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s**********d 发帖数: 36899 | 37 通常9mm就是指9x19,也叫9mm luger, 9mm parabellum, 9mm para
完全是一个意思。9mm nato尺寸也完全一样但是是加压弹。
还有很多别的9mm,都会说全称不会简称9mm。 |
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d*****n 发帖数: 908 | 38 这是几年前的数据,但还是很有参考价值的,比我们个人的体会权威得多。以前我贴过
,今天看到在“真是命大”那个帖子里,几个朋友谈论.38等口径的杀伤力,再贴一次
。不都贴了,就贴几种常见的。
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.380 ACP Caliber: (9 mm Short, 9 x 17 mm, 9 mm Kurz)
One Shot Stopping Success: 51-70% (Actual)
Self Defense Rating: Good
Recommended Cartridges:
Cor-Bon +P JHP 90 grains 70%
Federal "Hydra-Shok" JHP 90 grains 69%
Federal JHP 90 grains 69%
Winchester "Silvertip" JHP 85grains 61%
CCI ... 阅读全帖 |
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a***a 发帖数: 8941 | 39 2002年那个测试针对的是pdw的口径,不是手枪口径
In 2002 and 2003, NATO conducted a series of tests with the intention of
standardizing a PDW cartridge as a replacement for the 9×19mm Parabellum
cartridge.[11] The tests compared the relative merits of the 5.7×28mm
cartridge and the 4.6×30mm cartridge, which was created by Heckler & Koch
as a competitor to the 5.7×28mm.[11] The NATO group subsequently
recommended the 5.7×28mm cartridge, citing superior performance in testing,
but the German delegation objected and the... 阅读全帖 |
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s******9 发帖数: 1451 | 40 其实PDW也包括手枪口径的改小呀。不可能单单为PDW新采用一个口径的:
The Five-seven pistol and its 5.7×28mm ammunition were developed by FN
Herstal in response to NATO requests for a replacement for the 9×19mm
Parabellum cartridge and associated pistols and submachine guns.[1] NATO
called for two types of weapons chambered for a new cartridge—one a
shoulder-fired weapon, and the other a handheld weapon.[1] According to NATO
, these new weapons, termed personal defense weapons (PDWs), were to provide
"personal protection in last... 阅读全帖 |
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J****n 发帖数: 937 | 41 There are more to 9mm ammo that I didn't mention, I strongly suggest new gun
owners to take a basic pistol training course, a lot of ranges offer this
sort of courses.
If you want to purchase ammo before take any training course, there are a
few more things you need to understand:
1. 9mm ammo might be called a number of other names, for example, 9mm luger,
9x19mm, 9mm Parabellum, or 9mm NATO, they are the same. But there are
other 9mm ammo that you can't use on a 9mm pistol, check this link:
ht... 阅读全帖 |
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r****r 发帖数: 439 | 42 如果不明确指出的话,9MM 都是指 9x19 Parrabellum, 都通用
Parabellum |
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T******g 发帖数: 21328 | 43 老毛子有9x18的,不过欧美枪你就不用担心这个了
Parabellum |
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e*f 发帖数: 1709 | 44
"9mm parabellum patented " refers to the 9mm bullet as mentioned above.
All versions of Beretta 92FS should have about the same recoil as long as
they have the same weight and the same trigger pull. I think the "double/
single" feature is very useful for safe carry and fast reaction, and the
stainless frame is very helpful for ladies because it will not rust even if
you don't oil it. The price in the link may not be the best though. |
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c*i 发帖数: 749 | 45 9mm 如果不特别说明,就是 9×19mm,9mm Parabellum, 9mm Luger, 都是一回事。 |
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M******a 发帖数: 6723 | 46 来自主题: Mod_CHN_Hist版 - 奉天兵工厂 https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/mukden-arsenal-after-wwii/
Mukden Arsenal after WWII
April 3, 2017 jwh19752 Comments
(Zhang's Gate, the old entrance to Mukden Arsenal)
For people interested in Japanese firearms of WWII, the name Mukden Arsenal
is familiar. The history of the facility after Japan's defeat is less well
known. Under various names, it did survive for some time, producing an odd
mix of WWII weapons after the war's end.
(Mukden Arsenal proofmark during WWII)
Mukden an... 阅读全帖 |
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