c*******g 发帖数: 2990 | 1 昨天刚定了HK P30,现在要琢磨子弹问题了。请帮忙推荐买什么子弹,能顺便给个网购
链接就更好了。
我是新人一头雾水,我的理解是
self defense 是真有突发状况需要用枪的时候需要使用的。
剩下什么steel case, Remanufactured, FMJ 等是练习射击的时候用的,不知道对不
对,我也没查就瞎猜的。这几个什么区别也不清楚。
有人有时间给解释一下的话非常感谢。
我实战和练习用的都要买一些,所以大侠们希望帮助推荐,谢谢。 |
f*******r 发帖数: 5301 | 2 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/888798
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】 : 昨天刚定了HK P30,现在要琢磨子弹问题了。请帮忙推荐买什么子弹,能顺便给个网购 : 链接就更好了。 : 我是新人一头雾水,我的理解是 : self defense 是真有突发状况需要用枪的时候需要使用的。 : 剩下什么steel case, Remanufactured, FMJ 等是练习射击的时候用的,不知道对不 : 对,我也没查就瞎猜的。这几个什么区别也不清楚。 : 有人有时间给解释一下的话非常感谢。 : 我实战和练习用的都要买一些,所以大侠们希望帮助推荐,谢谢。
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c********g 发帖数: 530 | 3 高大上
这个东西这么贵,为啥还是铝的蛋壳。很多靶场不让用铝的
【在 f*******r 的大作中提到】 : http://www.midwayusa.com/product/888798
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f*******r 发帖数: 5301 | 4 google "弹壳的菜鸟问题"
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】 : 高大上 : 这个东西这么贵,为啥还是铝的蛋壳。很多靶场不让用铝的
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c********g 发帖数: 530 | 5 太牛了
真真的高大上
【在 f*******r 的大作中提到】 : google "弹壳的菜鸟问题"
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J****n 发帖数: 937 | 6 People usually use hollow point for self defense, and regular bullet for
rang practice, the tip of the bullet is shaped differently for hollow point,
you should be able to figure it out by just looking at it. But, it is not
that regular bullet won't kill, it still will, just not as powerful as
hollow point.
Some ranges don't allow steel case, so if you want to buy steel case, check
with the range you are going to first.
Remanufactured bullet is generally not as good as new, and not as safe as
new, so I would suggest avoid that for new gun owners.
FMJ (full metal jacket) is a good choice for range practice.
This is where I usually look for deals on ammo:
http://www.slickguns.com/
https://www.freedommunitions.com/
https://www.gunbuyer.com/
You can setup ammo alert on slickguns and it will email you when there are
deals.
I only buy FMJ (brass case) new ammo, so far I have used freedom ammo, brown
bear, american eagle, blazer brass, and remington, haven't had any problem
with them. One brand to avoid is wolf brand ammo, my range doesn't allow it.
If the price is around 20 cents per round, it is a good deal for now, I
usually buy a large quantity if there is a deal, last time I bought 2000
rounds from freedommunitions. A lot of online stores give free shipping to
first time buyers, so look for it before you checkout.
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】 : 昨天刚定了HK P30,现在要琢磨子弹问题了。请帮忙推荐买什么子弹,能顺便给个网购 : 链接就更好了。 : 我是新人一头雾水,我的理解是 : self defense 是真有突发状况需要用枪的时候需要使用的。 : 剩下什么steel case, Remanufactured, FMJ 等是练习射击的时候用的,不知道对不 : 对,我也没查就瞎猜的。这几个什么区别也不清楚。 : 有人有时间给解释一下的话非常感谢。 : 我实战和练习用的都要买一些,所以大侠们希望帮助推荐,谢谢。
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c*******g 发帖数: 2990 | 8 十分感谢,我居然都看懂了,解释的很好。这么说是因为我经常查东西然后也看不太懂。
point,
check
【在 J****n 的大作中提到】 : People usually use hollow point for self defense, and regular bullet for : rang practice, the tip of the bullet is shaped differently for hollow point, : you should be able to figure it out by just looking at it. But, it is not : that regular bullet won't kill, it still will, just not as powerful as : hollow point. : Some ranges don't allow steel case, so if you want to buy steel case, check : with the range you are going to first. : Remanufactured bullet is generally not as good as new, and not as safe as : new, so I would suggest avoid that for new gun owners. : FMJ (full metal jacket) is a good choice for range practice.
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B*******y 发帖数: 279 | 9 我发现P9HST4在自卫弹里面表现非常好,尤其对于短管。
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】 : 昨天刚定了HK P30,现在要琢磨子弹问题了。请帮忙推荐买什么子弹,能顺便给个网购 : 链接就更好了。 : 我是新人一头雾水,我的理解是 : self defense 是真有突发状况需要用枪的时候需要使用的。 : 剩下什么steel case, Remanufactured, FMJ 等是练习射击的时候用的,不知道对不 : 对,我也没查就瞎猜的。这几个什么区别也不清楚。 : 有人有时间给解释一下的话非常感谢。 : 我实战和练习用的都要买一些,所以大侠们希望帮助推荐,谢谢。
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 10 看不懂连榔头都买好了?。。。。
懂。
not
as
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】 : 十分感谢,我居然都看懂了,解释的很好。这么说是因为我经常查东西然后也看不太懂。 : : point, : check
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 11 尤其对于“你的”短管。呵呵。
网购
对不
【在 B*******y 的大作中提到】 : 我发现P9HST4在自卫弹里面表现非常好,尤其对于短管。
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c*******g 发帖数: 2990 | 12 就买了一个大家都说好的,没见过没摸过的,有点儿不负责任。当时看好多个版本非常
晕,研究一下也还是没完全明白。
不管了,反正也就打过几次两种都是Glock的枪,以后也都就用买的这个。好不好
,适合否都无所谓了,反正没比较不知道差距。我来适应枪好了。
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】 : 看不懂连榔头都买好了?。。。。 : : 懂。 : not : as
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 13 呃。。。。
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】 : 就买了一个大家都说好的,没见过没摸过的,有点儿不负责任。当时看好多个版本非常 : 晕,研究一下也还是没完全明白。 : 不管了,反正也就打过几次两种都是Glock的枪,以后也都就用买的这个。好不好 : ,适合否都无所谓了,反正没比较不知道差距。我来适应枪好了。
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f****d 发帖数: 3217 | 14 解释的很好,谢谢
point,
check
【在 J****n 的大作中提到】 : People usually use hollow point for self defense, and regular bullet for : rang practice, the tip of the bullet is shaped differently for hollow point, : you should be able to figure it out by just looking at it. But, it is not : that regular bullet won't kill, it still will, just not as powerful as : hollow point. : Some ranges don't allow steel case, so if you want to buy steel case, check : with the range you are going to first. : Remanufactured bullet is generally not as good as new, and not as safe as : new, so I would suggest avoid that for new gun owners. : FMJ (full metal jacket) is a good choice for range practice.
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J****n 发帖数: 937 | 15 There are more to 9mm ammo that I didn't mention, I strongly suggest new gun
owners to take a basic pistol training course, a lot of ranges offer this
sort of courses.
If you want to purchase ammo before take any training course, there are a
few more things you need to understand:
1. 9mm ammo might be called a number of other names, for example, 9mm luger,
9x19mm, 9mm Parabellum, or 9mm NATO, they are the same. But there are
other 9mm ammo that you can't use on a 9mm pistol, check this link:
http://hunting.about.com/od/ammo/f/9mmluger9mmpara.htm
2. Grain size, it is the weight of the bullet, lower grain size bullet has
higher speed but less knock down power, higher grain size bullet has lower
speed but higher power. I usually choose 115 or 124 grain size.
3. High power or +P ammo, unless your pistol specifically mentioned it can
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r*********e 发帖数: 7733 | 16 现代的brand name手枪基本都能handle +p 的弹药。
gun
luger,
【在 J****n 的大作中提到】 : There are more to 9mm ammo that I didn't mention, I strongly suggest new gun : owners to take a basic pistol training course, a lot of ranges offer this : sort of courses. : If you want to purchase ammo before take any training course, there are a : few more things you need to understand: : 1. 9mm ammo might be called a number of other names, for example, 9mm luger, : 9x19mm, 9mm Parabellum, or 9mm NATO, they are the same. But there are : other 9mm ammo that you can't use on a 9mm pistol, check this link: : http://hunting.about.com/od/ammo/f/9mmluger9mmpara.htm : 2. Grain size, it is the weight of the bullet, lower grain size bullet has
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W*********g 发帖数: 409 | 17 恭喜,P30 是很好的选择。 如果不carry的话可以说是最好的选择了。
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】 : 就买了一个大家都说好的,没见过没摸过的,有点儿不负责任。当时看好多个版本非常 : 晕,研究一下也还是没完全明白。 : 不管了,反正也就打过几次两种都是Glock的枪,以后也都就用买的这个。好不好 : ,适合否都无所谓了,反正没比较不知道差距。我来适应枪好了。
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J****n 发帖数: 937 | 18 That is a not an accurate statement, I hope you haven't used a lot of +P
ammo in your range practice.
Of course the gun can "handle" it, that only mean the gun can fire it as
long as it is the right caliber, but should you use it with your non +P
rated pistol? the answer is no.
Read this:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/foghorn/ask-foghorn-wh
You can skip to the end of the article and see the advice.
【在 r*********e 的大作中提到】 : 现代的brand name手枪基本都能handle +p 的弹药。 : : gun : luger,
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n**6 发帖数: 33 | 19 我个人建议训练和自卫都用同一种子弹,这样才会杜绝意外情况,其实FMJ自卫足够用
了,那些非要用开花弹或者各种噱头弹的都是吹毛求疵,出故障的概率大很多,更危险
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W*********g 发帖数: 409 | 20 你自己想这么做没人拦着你,别误导了新手。
【在 n**6 的大作中提到】 : 我个人建议训练和自卫都用同一种子弹,这样才会杜绝意外情况,其实FMJ自卫足够用 : 了,那些非要用开花弹或者各种噱头弹的都是吹毛求疵,出故障的概率大很多,更危险 : ,得不偿失。厂商卖高价而已
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n**6 发帖数: 33 | 21 这可不是误导,是多年玩枪不装B的经验之谈 :D
你有什么观点可以谈,扣帽子没技术含量
【在 W*********g 的大作中提到】 : 你自己想这么做没人拦着你,别误导了新手。
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c*******g 发帖数: 2990 | 22 谢谢,基本不太会carry的,女生带个枪也真不知道怎么带呢,难道象电影里面一样拴
大腿上,呵呵,想想就觉得好笑。估计也只能放包里,挺沉的估计两天就放弃了。
【在 W*********g 的大作中提到】 : 恭喜,P30 是很好的选择。 如果不carry的话可以说是最好的选择了。
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 23 靠,女的。。。。。
是汉子么?
【在 c*******g 的大作中提到】 : 谢谢,基本不太会carry的,女生带个枪也真不知道怎么带呢,难道象电影里面一样拴 : 大腿上,呵呵,想想就觉得好笑。估计也只能放包里,挺沉的估计两天就放弃了。
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W*********g 发帖数: 409 | 24 你什么经验?实际用过FMJ和JHP并比较了结果了?这里别的人都觉得自己没条件作这种
比较所以选择相信专家的话。你要是真有数据可以去发个paper什么的,或者至少去这
个论坛发个帖子么:http://pistol-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?19-Ammunition
【在 n**6 的大作中提到】 : 这可不是误导,是多年玩枪不装B的经验之谈 :D : 你有什么观点可以谈,扣帽子没技术含量
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n**6 发帖数: 33 | 25 JHP比FMJ容易出故障,要防身就要多打,这是事实,平常用便宜FMJ练习,防身装上很
少打(为了省钱)的各式噱头弹防身,射击感觉完全不熟悉不说,出故障的概率也巨增
,是很stupid的做法。各式噱头弹比FMJ优劣都难说,即使有也是marginal at best
不过随便吧,愿用啥用啥,lol
【在 W*********g 的大作中提到】 : 你什么经验?实际用过FMJ和JHP并比较了结果了?这里别的人都觉得自己没条件作这种 : 比较所以选择相信专家的话。你要是真有数据可以去发个paper什么的,或者至少去这 : 个论坛发个帖子么:http://pistol-forum.com/forumdisplay.php?19-Ammunition
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 26 请问marginal at best的论断从何而来?
这种
去这
【在 n**6 的大作中提到】 : JHP比FMJ容易出故障,要防身就要多打,这是事实,平常用便宜FMJ练习,防身装上很 : 少打(为了省钱)的各式噱头弹防身,射击感觉完全不熟悉不说,出故障的概率也巨增 : ,是很stupid的做法。各式噱头弹比FMJ优劣都难说,即使有也是marginal at best : 不过随便吧,愿用啥用啥,lol
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W*********g 发帖数: 409 | 27 请问出故障的概率也巨增的论断从何而来?在什么枪上用什么弹作的比较试验?
【在 n**6 的大作中提到】 : JHP比FMJ容易出故障,要防身就要多打,这是事实,平常用便宜FMJ练习,防身装上很 : 少打(为了省钱)的各式噱头弹防身,射击感觉完全不熟悉不说,出故障的概率也巨增 : ,是很stupid的做法。各式噱头弹比FMJ优劣都难说,即使有也是marginal at best : 不过随便吧,愿用啥用啥,lol
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c*******g 发帖数: 2990 | 28 呵呵,争取以后打靶的时候能够象个女汉子
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】 : 靠,女的。。。。。 : 是汉子么?
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r*********e 发帖数: 7733 | 29 Since +P cartridges are typically only 10% above the normal pressure of a
cartridge they will work in any properly maintained gun (the proof round is
still a much higher pressure), but they will wear it out sooner and increase
the chances that the gun will suffer a “structural failure.” Which is
code for “blow up in your hand.” So the common advice is to not use +P as
range / practice ammo.
【在 J****n 的大作中提到】 : That is a not an accurate statement, I hope you haven't used a lot of +P : ammo in your range practice. : Of course the gun can "handle" it, that only mean the gun can fire it as : long as it is the right caliber, but should you use it with your non +P : rated pistol? the answer is no. : Read this: : http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/foghorn/ask-foghorn-wh : You can skip to the end of the article and see the advice.
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 30 靠,说国语!
is
increase
as
【在 r*********e 的大作中提到】 : Since +P cartridges are typically only 10% above the normal pressure of a : cartridge they will work in any properly maintained gun (the proof round is : still a much higher pressure), but they will wear it out sooner and increase : the chances that the gun will suffer a “structural failure.” Which is : code for “blow up in your hand.” So the common advice is to not use +P as : range / practice ammo.
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r*********e 发帖数: 7733 | 31 +p 的膛压只高10%,所以大多数现代的手枪都可以handle。只是不要当range ammo经常
打就行了。防身+p hollow point还是最好选择,没有over penetration, ricocheting
之类fmj的问题。
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】 : 靠,说国语! : : is : increase : as
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i**e 发帖数: 6810 | 32 觉得9mm不够要用9mm+P的话,是不是还不如直接上.40S&W了?至少枪是
专门给.40设计的
ricocheting
【在 r*********e 的大作中提到】 : +p 的膛压只高10%,所以大多数现代的手枪都可以handle。只是不要当range ammo经常 : 打就行了。防身+p hollow point还是最好选择,没有over penetration, ricocheting : 之类fmj的问题。
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c********g 发帖数: 530 | 33 这个东西多少钱一发算deal
$0.35
$0.5
$0.75
$0.9
【在 f*******r 的大作中提到】 : http://www.midwayusa.com/product/888798
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a***x 发帖数: 26368 | 34 金点5毛多
【在 c********g 的大作中提到】 : 这个东西多少钱一发算deal : $0.35 : $0.5 : $0.75 : $0.9
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c********g 发帖数: 530 | 35 等
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】 : 金点5毛多
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r*********e 发帖数: 7733 | 36 统一口径好处多啊。40的枪出问题的机会也多。
【在 i**e 的大作中提到】 : 觉得9mm不够要用9mm+P的话,是不是还不如直接上.40S&W了?至少枪是 : 专门给.40设计的 : : ricocheting
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L******t 发帖数: 1985 | 37 Great info. Thx!
point,
check
【在 J****n 的大作中提到】 : People usually use hollow point for self defense, and regular bullet for : rang practice, the tip of the bullet is shaped differently for hollow point, : you should be able to figure it out by just looking at it. But, it is not : that regular bullet won't kill, it still will, just not as powerful as : hollow point. : Some ranges don't allow steel case, so if you want to buy steel case, check : with the range you are going to first. : Remanufactured bullet is generally not as good as new, and not as safe as : new, so I would suggest avoid that for new gun owners. : FMJ (full metal jacket) is a good choice for range practice.
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i**e 发帖数: 6810 | 38 因为.40设计时考虑了,比9mm打+P应该更可靠一些吧。
我HP也只用标准load的
【在 r*********e 的大作中提到】 : 统一口径好处多啊。40的枪出问题的机会也多。
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