A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 1 i remember dietcig mentioned about the 350 yards drive at #6 poppy ridge.
2 on 584 par5 is sweet. birdie just made it sweeter.
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t****i
发帖数: 904 | 2 这个坑还可以再引申一下，你所eagle过的最长的洞。
俺的是540码的par5，再远的就钩不到了。
a
parred
center |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 3 birdie
#2 431y par4,
#3 633y par5,
#5 448y par4,
#10 452y par4,
so far, bogey free.
how come?
his drive avg is only around 280, and he doesnt even have long irons |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 4 上次打了一回SKIN，有两高手，还有一个比我稍差的
决定让球的时候，比我稍差的9洞要了4个HANDI，就是按场上给的HANDI，最难的8个洞
各让一杆
可能是我的EGO，我没要让球
一场打下来，我输了，
我看了看最难的4个洞, (本来打算让4洞), 我赢的和我输的
赢的是HANDI 1的PAR5，和HANDI4的PAR4，HANDI2的大家PUSH了，HANDI3的我+2，我输了
所以就算他们让我球，我也一点没占多大便宜
但是不让，我肯定是输，我该怎样让他们让球呢 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 5 昨天在summitpointe的一场，整体感觉还不错，结果被HANDI-INDEX 17，18的两个
PAR3搞了两个+3, 搞得整场下来par4, avg 5, par5 avg 5, par3 avg 还是 5.
一个154顺风，打过了，一个122打短了, 难度大一点的那个199 PAR3好不容易LAND
ON GREEN，结果搞了一个3PUTTS
版上有没有PAR3很牛的，分享分享经验 |
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 6 aff是老虎的风格。Par3不怎么样，都是靠par4，par5捞回来的。
打par3，还有什么讲究，就是一干上green。哈哈。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 7 讲讲有什么高招?
我自己觉得也没有什么COURSE MANAGEMENT的，但是总觉得PAR3 TEE OFF的时候，打
得好坏是非常偶然的，不像PAR4 PAR5打坏第一杆TEE还可以用APPROACH找回来 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 8 yes, i agree chipping is very important for par3 to save up and down, but i
feel the greenside rough around par3 green are harder than other par4/par5
greenside rough.
and within 20, 30 yards, judging the shot distance on how far the chipping
can go is very difficult. |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 9 I think the key is swing Tempo on the Tee.
Unlikke par4 or par5 , which you can hit it litlle bit faster or slower, tee
par3 require you normal tempo as you practicing |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 10 looks like the president cup course setup will be very different.
and one of the 475 par5 will now be converted to par4.
hole# are changed too.
is it better to book a tee time after the cup?
Park |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 11 slope is 126 from blue tee, on par with most muni, san ramon is 125 or so
from blue.
only get 130 from black tee. i should have play from blue, while you could
try black. i like the course offering more options.
if drive ball straight, tree lines shouldn't be a problem. but it's serious
problem to slicer like me..
hole #5 is probably the hardest par5. last time play from black tee, very
narrow and uneven fairway from black tee. first shot driver, slice into
woods at right. second 3wood, in short |
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t****i
发帖数: 904 | 12 简直就是惨不忍睹。头九个洞愣没找着过fairway。up and down倒是不错，最后总算蹭
出了六个par。两个double bogey，都是开球到树底下，都没法一杆chip回fairway那种。
后九洞，开始用3号木和3号铁开球，总算找回点感觉，连着7个par，而且都是green in
regulation 那种。打到17洞，500多点的par5，两杆能够着，于是driver开球，立马O
.B。18洞，希望最后一下用driver找回点面子，结果在离石头墙一尺内找到球，杆都没
法挥，最后两洞+5，像吃了个苍蝇的感觉。
同一个球场，driver打得好与不好就是天上地下的感觉。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 13 #3 is dogleg left par5, i was trying to cut corner, but my drive was too far
left, and drive into the tree.
debating against myself with either play a low percentage 3wood through the
tree, or 7 iron punch out to fairway.
my friends suggested to play save, and eat my pride and go for save. during
the punch, i was hoping to punch to 200 yard mark, and punch a bit
aggressive, hit another tree branch, and landed right in front of tree trunk
. then i have no choice, punch another 7iron to the fairwa |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 14 called and booked a 4-some 2:50pm Saturday (twilight rate), currently Hzhu and
I are in. ANYBODY else?
i never played there either...
looking at the scorecard, compared to Boundary Oak, if Callippe makes all par3 200 and 3 short par4 (330-340) 30yards longer each,
then it could play to 7000yards.
it still has some long par 4, par3, par5.
i guess the layout could be more interesting, rather than be long each every hole...
went there for a demo once, a bit hilly, expect uneven fairway and slopy g |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 15 310 driver + 306 3wood, 2 on 600+ yards par5 just sick //kaka |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 16 found a practice green i could pictch from <50 yards away
my goal is to average 3 or less
previous rounds I played there were too many 4 even 5 somethimes...
failed to birdie 500yards or so par5 after good drive and 3wood
have to refuse to chunk chip/pictch, refuse to roll off green, refuse flew over
green, refuse to fail to handle bad lie....
seems that pitching 就要开始读果领了 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 17 tiger's 8 feet 10inch is quite amazing, considering that includes sand shot,
bad lies etc.
suppse drive average 260, and get 230 3wood tee up, 220 from fairway
birdie from 70 - 100 occurs :
260 + 100 = 360 yard mid length par 4,
or 230 + 100 = 330 short par4 tee off with woods or long iron
or 260 + 220 + 100 = 580 yard long par5
or 260 + 150(mid iron) + 100 = 510 yard short par 5
cover almost all amateur level golf courses.
except long par4 390+ yard or par3
seems that you can always hone 70-10 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 18 played back 9 at boundary oaks this morning.
started with 2 par4, up and down save par, and follow with 3 GIR, but all 3
end up with 3 putts each. 6th hole par4, 3 on 3 putt, 7th par4 4 on 1 putt,
8th par3 another up and down save par, 9th par5 5 on 1 putt.
17 putts, 43 for 9 hole
other than 6th hole mistake, the rest i was feeling very good. but score is
still just ok.
and seems the problems are all over the place.
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 19 yeah, for that 3 GIR, i was just feeling lucky to get on the green.
12th 190 par3
13th 415 dogleg left par4, my approach shot was 190
14th 563 par5, my third shot was the shot of day, behind the tree, from
rough, 155 to green.
none of them is easy, but 3 bogey seem unacceptable.
is
60feet
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 20 还是得看哪个场子
刚才看了看09年最后一天在SHORELINE的那场, ixcafe也在
fairway hit 10/14, 好象四个PAR5全在FAIRWAY上
还有6PAR，1BIRDIE，最后楞输钱了, 还没进90 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 21 说起这个洞让我想起这次看的PEBBLE BEACH的US OPEN, 星期日
PRO们都害怕的第14洞 DOG-LEG RIGHT PAR5, GREEN像个炮台
有打短的，LAYUP，像紫色线画的
有打直的，出了FAIRWAY，进左边ROUGH，像蓝色线画的, Retief Goosen
有打CUT CORNER的，没CUT过去的，有的进BUNKER，有的进右手边ROUGH，像黄色线画的
Ian Pouter
唯一一个我看到，最牛逼的就是沿FAIRWAY FADE的， 像红色线画的
Tiger
虽然他拿的BIRDIE，不过到那个时候人人都觉得大势以去了
现在再回想他TEE OFF的那个球，实在太牛X了 |
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t*******5
发帖数: 300 | 22 我觉得是体力。俺有次前9是0，后9是12
精力也很重要，俺有个par5 想直接2 杆上green，结果就掉水里
总的来说，精力，体力，思想的集中程度。
我在国内有次前面那组的两个女的很漂亮，导致我打的时候在意淫晚上干翻她们。结果
就可想而知了
你可能没感觉到累，但是可能是精神有些松了。所以打球要和小密打。打完以后会很饿
，狂吃到饱 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 23 The past weekend, played a tounament course designed by Jack.
wholy, 小老头太坑人了
Hole #3, Par5 against the wind.
From Blue Tee, normal drive, approach shot need 230 to cross the creek. if
you choose to layup, next shot is still at least 200.
Not only that, he cut the small half of green as bunker, and the slope green
is way above the bunker with everywhere else is OB.
group best score was +2
Mine was Tee + layup + 200 + bunker OB + bunker + putt + ... + putt
没脾气, 立刻对小老头肃然起敬 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 24 不急。。慢慢来。
把球击实了，距离真不是啥问题。
short game永远都重要，比如梁文冲30%的fairway击中率，也能在top 20.
我见过各样的人，老头也好，年轻人也好，高个也好，矮个也好，壮的还是弱的，把球
击solid了，击个250+的平均距离真不是问题。至于一些很特别的distance,那真需要点
天时地利和人和。
我一般也就是高兴一下，至少我觉得比我常见的long hitter们击得长，或者差距从以前
的30 yards,到10yards，或者5yards，我也满足了。
知道自己什么能做什么不能做最重要。 如果，我知道很多人，在40yards和在200 yard
s一样困难，那就不要给自己留40yards。。
比如roy kizer的14， 530码par5, 是个完全2杆能上的球洞，如果第2杆launch够高的话
，因为球洞前是2个锅一样的沙坑。
该洞一般在夏天时是顺风，我击得好的时候，有290-310码（不难，真不难，过了280码
左右，就是downslope），剩下的240-220码， 我从来没2击上过（从back tee,从forwa
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i****e
发帖数: 913 | 25 开出的球落在cart path上的话, 一般都能长10几吗.
我有一次par5, 开球后, 球在cart path上一直滚到离果岭100吗.
而且球落Cart Path附近, 还经常会发生free drop, 甚至如OP所述得free drop after
free drop after free drop.
所以当场地很开阔, 前面一马平川, 应该尽量冲cart path瞄, 准保不吃亏就是了. |
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p****4
发帖数: 517 | 26 Respectful!
330y driver and 240y 3 wood - that's how you get on a 570-y Par5 in two.
That's probably better than some of the pros. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 27 使出吃奶的力气 still hit driver solid, that's very good.
so maybe looks like 100%, but just 90% of his max.
人不可冒相...
most pro golfers drive longer than their "driving average" stats. either
use 3wood off the tee or swing easy for short par 4. if they want 20 yards
more at par5 and long par4, they can get it.
pgatour has so many long par4, without ability drive 280+ when need it , 好
象没发混饭吃把
while most amateur golfers want 20 yards more from driver, they end 20 yards
shorter that their usual distance. |
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i****e
发帖数: 913 | 28 你们组不是有GPS吗? 我们才郁闷!!!
球场窄, 左右OB或Hazard, 而且一直在转弯, 在Tee Box上, 基本上是看不到果岭的,
par5打到第三杆才能看见旗杆, 更有甚者是看不到你要落球的fairway, 能看到也有颗
大树或沙坑在球道中间挡道. 五个par3都有elevation drop和big gap.
很有点无的放矢的感觉.
21 over 70 |
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j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 29 par 5应该是拿分的洞阿， 为啥文冲2个BOGGY 都在par5 呢？ |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 30 here is a way to lower score for amateur:
1) hit some good shots (such as close to pin from 150+, 2 shots on par5,
monster drive), and you dont NOT very excited at all. even hole in one...
2) hit some poor shots (OB, into water, lost ball, chip over green, not out
of bunker), you DON'T feel mad or unhappy. you start to think why you hit
it bad, be it failure to notice the terrain, failure to use a proper set up,
or your swing off rhythm. use one and only one muligan to see if you can
hit the s |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 31 i had discomfort under left should blade last year. stop golfing for
several months... it finally healed.
two ways to play golf injury free:
1)get stronger, especially if you like to hit some distance.
2) find your full swing endurance tolerance threshold.
last time i play 18 holes, but each hole i almost play 2 balls (for
practice or correction), so it practially like play 36 holes within 4 hours
(14 holes *2 + 4 hole par5 *1 + 4 hole par 3 * 1) * 2 =72 full swings . afterwards it take me
almo |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 32 maybe a 20+ handi can still use course mapping.
i checked calippe hole #3 par5, from the large right side
fairway bunker to center of green, it is only 112 yard or so. (somebody else
mapped Callippe from black tee)
but the cart GPS read 130, so I took 8 iron swing easy for the 3rd shot. over shoot to hills beyond and
outside the cart part and green. made a tripple (had to pitch over a bunker back to down slope green).
wished i had used the course mapping. when approach to green which slopes dow |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 33 “做生意一定要同打球一样，若第一杆打得不好的话，在打第二杆时，心更要保持镇定
及有计划，这就并不是表示这个洞会输的。就好等同做人及做生意一样，有高有低，身
处逆境时，你先要镇定考虑如何应付。”
老头说得可真好!
好多次，我TEE的非常好的时候，两上PAR4，或者三上PAR5，等在GREEN上准备收钱，结
果一同打的高手也许TEE的不是很好，结果人家不紧不慢，一杆一杆RECOVER，最后非但
不输钱，要是我3PUTT了，反倒他们赢钱
而反过来，一旦我TEE的不好，基本上就是等着送钱了
"在打第二杆时，心更要保持镇定及有计划，这就并不是表示这个洞会输的。" couldnt
agree more. |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 34 I've been trying to improve my putting and minimize my double or triple
bogeies. a par5 is always my favorite and I am doing OK with most par3s. A
long par4 is my weakest link and most time I have a bogies or double out of
there.
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 35 3H or 3W? comparing apples and oranges? I thought you would need a 3 wood
for par5s. I need 3W and 2H or 3H. I don't carry a 5 wood at all.
hybrid
TP |
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 36 我个人认为GOLF感觉是非常难重复的,因为当你有了一个新的SWING THOUGHT,导致SWING
的更好了,你就想不断加强它.但过一段时间,或许是已经形成了MUSCLE MEMORY,或许是
这种感觉对于大脑就已经不再新鲜了,这种感觉再也没有开始时那种百试不爽的结果了.
BTW,292YD DRIVE是非常IMPRESSIVE的.
from 9032ti 3wood with voodoo shaft.
shaft.
swing
2on par5: |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 37 one course i often play middle tee is 6300 or so. it still has some long par
4: 400- 420 yard, some short par4, < 340. it is fun to play this kind of
layout. When driver is on, 250 - 290, you have any where from short chip,
short pitch, to 120, 140-150 approach. so even dreaded 400+ yard par4 can
be still taken care of by driver + wedge, it ended with so many wedge
shots. talking about over power the course, maybe that is it. if get 2on
par5, then truely over power.
the downside of this i... 阅读全帖 |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 38 2-on par5 is highly respected, too. Nowadays I am content with an easy 3-on
than a heroic 2-on. With a good drive, I can get to reachable distance for
some of the par 5s. But sadly, fw never cooperates. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 39 today tried hole 9 sunol valley palm course, 588y par5. fairway elevated
down. drive block to right, land on hard & dead grass patch right side, over
300. 250-260left. water on front left side of green.
i tried to hit 3woods 4 times, just could not hit solid even once, all very
low hook. almost turf roll. I was able to hit some good 3wood at range. don'
t know why i could not do it on course. fixing hook is as hard as fixing
slice. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 40 i know cold weather affect the distance, but i was amazed by how much. for a
par5 i was almost reaching in 2, same hole, played yersteday, it took me 4
shots to reach the green, the third shot was 80 yards pitching, end up getti
ng into the bunker.
it is so dangerous to use summer distance as reference to play the same cour
se. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 41 230 is ok la
Winter or summer?
To me, 400 - 260 pretty much can cover most par4
And 500 - 260 - 200 can cover all the par5
So increase 20 yards on driver is much more useful and easier than trying to
increase iron distance. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 42 scott 最后几个洞 有一点保守求稳
可能是意识到自己领先了， 最后一个par5 2nd shot 相当loose.
5wood tee off at 18 hole, 明显保守。 但是可能也是对的， 因为swing 有点不好了
。 至少 scott 还稳定的住, compared to rory。 save par from bad chip. par 18.
charl 的狗屎运太好了， 哪有那么远 chip in 的， 还hole from fairway eagle 的
。 这行大运就gain 至少2-3 个stroke |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 43 that is very very true.
Two days ago, i played the Ranch Golf Club at San Jose. (blue tee, slope 142)
#7 511 par5 from blue tee, after tee shot, i have 205 to the center of green
, against the wind, over the water. two on, within 20 feet uphill putt,
slight break. my eagle putt catch the rim and spin out, easy come back putt
for birdie.
that was exactly my feeling. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 44 i dont know why tom decided to go for the green for par5 #16
everyone knows it is almost impossible to birdie the last two holes. He got
one shot lead, he got upper-hand,
why would he want to go for the green?
i guess he would regret it for long long time.
KJ is a good player, but winning the players now put him in another list:
winning the players without a major,
sergio, adam scott, tim clark ... all those players are having one thing in
common: tie T-2 for Masters before,
but never (would nev... 阅读全帖 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 45 he go for green in 2 for what? for eagle? birdie? he was leading, he doesnt
need to take the risky shot, just as KJ did on last hole, if you are leading
, just try to play save, wait and see others make mistake.
given Tom's distance, it is hard to expect eagle from any par5, not to
mention it was late in the long day, and all the pressure mounted. The best
he can wish was a birdie, which he can layup and hope for the best for the
third shot to get close to the pin.
Btw, it is said that the dista... 阅读全帖 |
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O*****s
发帖数: 990 | 46 Yes they are both important but driving distance is far less important than
short games and consistency as
long as you pass 250yds or so.
If you look at the score cards of most majors and major tour events, where
you can earn a lot of points, the
winner scores pretty high since the courses are hard. This means if you can
make -1 or -2 everyday you will
win the game. The longest long pars will prevent shot drivers from making
eagles and birdies but not pars.
Making pars on par5 holes should be ea... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 47 birdie 此洞跟eagle 差不多。
par 4 基本上都460 以上， 这长度amateur 都是par5.
树多道窄就看谁击的直了。 |
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j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 48 看phil, DJ 和Rory一组。感觉phil确实老了， 技不如人. DJ在低潮， 估计make cut
都难。 Rory 这么难的场子每洞都几乎有抓鸟的机会， 刚刚par5 2nd shot
approaching 竟然用铁杆离洞10ft。 |
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j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 49 Thursday, 636 par5, Rory driver + 3 iron, around 10 feet to pin and 2 putt
birdie. Dustin Driver + hybrid on green run over to rough.
They are Monster!!!
second |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 50 今年到现在打球的次数屈指可数，6次？
第3次和第4次是参加的pga pat test，一天2轮。
第5次是参加本地台湾人（他们叫做austin chinese golf association）办的一个年度
比赛，都是台湾人在玩就是了。
第6次是常提的skins game。
打这3场之间基本上就没任何练习。
我想测试的是 － 这技术会不会因为不打而下降。我知道成绩一定会因为不打而下降的。
这3场下来的成绩非常一致，其实这6场的成绩都非常一致。
但我第6场感觉技术没怎么变化，击得绝对比之前远了，尤其是driver。 一个例子是一
个298码的4杆洞，风从后面吹，我以前driver总是差个10来码到果岭，这次是直接到果
岭后的深沟里找球。
还有些par5 也能看出。roy kizer的第5洞，以前是找一个carry240码的的角度来开过
大水塘，如今我找的一个应该又一个260码的角度carry的。
没明白啥原因。 每天早上坚持做stretch就是了。
那天最后成绩不好的原因是，太久不打不又不动脑，球杆选的乱七八糟。比如第6，7，
8，9洞，approach shot都是果岭后10码外找球。... 阅读全帖 |
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