A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 1 here is hole from summitpointe, actually i have problems with few similiar
holes like that from other courses as well.
you can look from the picture.
1. if i drive straight, as the red line, i would wind up in the rough,
passing the fairway, which makes it harder to approach.
2. if i tee off with 3 wood, the green line, i could get on fairway, but my
second shot would be more than 200 yards away, and it is uphill.
3. if i draw with drive, as the blue line, it is low percentage shot, and
risk of | v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 2 400+ yard par4 free of yardage error or severe dogleg is always a headache
for non-pro...
blue line is pull slice for right hander, isn't it.
draw is the best solution in theory, the ball rolls to green direction after
landing.... just that most guys do not have that shot.
i will chose #1 option, and hope to hit the cart PATH as well... yeah ho....
right rough far off the corner is the miss i want to miss. seriouly if you hit drive very straight and know you carry distance, i think you can use
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: here is hole from summitpointe, actually i have problems with few similiar
: holes like that from other courses as well.
: you can look from the picture.
: 1. if i drive straight, as the red line, i would wind up in the rough,
: passing the fairway, which makes it harder to approach.
: 2. if i tee off with 3 wood, the green line, i could get on fairway, but my
: second shot would be more than 200 yards away, and it is uphill.
: 3. if i draw with drive, as the blue line, it is low percentage shot, and
: risk of
| v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 3 The green is my first choice if the rest of the yardage is less than 240. A
good lie will help me hit the ball in the fairway.
my
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: here is hole from summitpointe, actually i have problems with few similiar
: holes like that from other courses as well.
: you can look from the picture.
: 1. if i drive straight, as the red line, i would wind up in the rough,
: passing the fairway, which makes it harder to approach.
: 2. if i tee off with 3 wood, the green line, i could get on fairway, but my
: second shot would be more than 200 yards away, and it is uphill.
: 3. if i draw with drive, as the blue line, it is low percentage shot, and
: risk of
| u******m
发帖数: 307 | 4 I would aim at the flag. The driver should be able to cut the dogleg. | A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 5 the blue line is actually a draw. i was hoping that you see it as a 3D. it
is the better option and recommended option for pro. but since i was not
very comfortable with my draw, and i witness numberous failed attempts by
taking that option.
i played there twice. both times, i was taking option 1, which is to drive
straight. i drove very solid, and ball went straight out, passed the cart
path, landed in rough. the approach shot around that place is 190 yards
uphill. so i need add one or two club
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: 400+ yard par4 free of yardage error or severe dogleg is always a headache
: for non-pro...
: blue line is pull slice for right hander, isn't it.
: draw is the best solution in theory, the ball rolls to green direction after
: landing.... just that most guys do not have that shot.
: i will chose #1 option, and hope to hit the cart PATH as well... yeah ho....
: right rough far off the corner is the miss i want to miss. seriouly if you hit drive very straight and know you carry distance, i think you can use
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 6 that is what i plan to do next time if i play that hole.
hoping the lie on fairway would be better, so i can take 3woods and get
closer to green. then i can chip with better control than pitching and
hoping my putter could bail me out with 2 putts maxiumn. but by doing that,
my best case is bogey.
A
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: The green is my first choice if the rest of the yardage is less than 240. A
: good lie will help me hit the ball in the fairway.
:
: my
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 7 since it is slope from left to right at the corner, if you chose that option
, you have to be very confident with your driver, you might need at least
260 carry if not 270, carry less than 250, you would be in trouble. also,
slightly hook or pull, means goodbye to your ball.
i saw aother guy did that, but i know he is a long hitter.
【在 u******m 的大作中提到】
: I would aim at the flag. The driver should be able to cut the dogleg.
| b********5
发帖数: 253 | 8 I would do the green line too. approaching shot from 200+ is a must for
those long par 4's. You will have to face it anyway, pro or not. The red and
blue are too risky.
,
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: that is what i plan to do next time if i play that hole.
: hoping the lie on fairway would be better, so i can take 3woods and get
: closer to green. then i can chip with better control than pitching and
: hoping my putter could bail me out with 2 putts maxiumn. but by doing that,
: my best case is bogey.
:
: A
| i****e
发帖数: 913 | 9 The only time I made par there is by going with blue line.
With wind and luck, I made a blind draw shot with unknown amount of roll, and I found my ball in the middle of fairway on the other side of hill.
I saw some friends chose the red line, aim at the first cut rough at the turn, fade it a bit, the uneven fairway will leave the ball in the middle of fairway short of cart path | v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 10 刚把 SUMMIT POINTE 的COURSE MAP 下到CADDIE PRO， 想起你提到的这个HOLE。
I PLAYED ONCE LONG TIME AGO， ALMOST FORGET ABOUT IT。
the cluster of trees on left side is only 205 yard from tee, not sure how
tall the trees are.
BUT FROM COURSE MAP， ２３０ CARRY maybe GOOD TO GET OVER THE TREE.
FAIRWAY 前半段就开始上坡了吗？
if you aim the center from the trees to cart path, 242 yard to the cart part, where you can
still have good angle and opening to the green. 155 yard approach left. but maybe in rough or bad lie.
if you aim slig
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: here is hole from summitpointe, actually i have problems with few similiar
: holes like that from other courses as well.
: you can look from the picture.
: 1. if i drive straight, as the red line, i would wind up in the rough,
: passing the fairway, which makes it harder to approach.
: 2. if i tee off with 3 wood, the green line, i could get on fairway, but my
: second shot would be more than 200 yards away, and it is uphill.
: 3. if i draw with drive, as the blue line, it is low percentage shot, and
: risk of
| | | v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 11 can take san ramon golf club hole #1 as an experiment, the distance of the
trees are about the same (170 - 205). not sure the heights are similiar.
can
but maybe in rough or bad lie.
the middle or fairway, stil with 150-160 apporach left.
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: 刚把 SUMMIT POINTE 的COURSE MAP 下到CADDIE PRO， 想起你提到的这个HOLE。
: I PLAYED ONCE LONG TIME AGO， ALMOST FORGET ABOUT IT。
: the cluster of trees on left side is only 205 yard from tee, not sure how
: tall the trees are.
: BUT FROM COURSE MAP， ２３０ CARRY maybe GOOD TO GET OVER THE TREE.
: FAIRWAY 前半段就开始上坡了吗？
: if you aim the center from the trees to cart path, 242 yard to the cart part, where you can
: still have good angle and opening to the green. 155 yard approach left. but maybe in rough or bad lie.
: if you aim slig
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 12 你画的蓝线红线有多远？
这个问题没觉得多复杂。 你能击中到fairway，就用driver 。这个完全就是个driver
的洞。
你要是觉得你driver一定会出fairway，那基本上就是你选错了tee。
my
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: here is hole from summitpointe, actually i have problems with few similiar
: holes like that from other courses as well.
: you can look from the picture.
: 1. if i drive straight, as the red line, i would wind up in the rough,
: passing the fairway, which makes it harder to approach.
: 2. if i tee off with 3 wood, the green line, i could get on fairway, but my
: second shot would be more than 200 yards away, and it is uphill.
: 3. if i draw with drive, as the blue line, it is low percentage shot, and
: risk of
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 13 lets play there some time togather.
i played blue tee, normally, i prefer play longer course than shorter, since
my worst shot is around 160. ie, i feel more comfortable to hit 200 3 woods
than 170 5 iron.
from blue tee, if i drive without curving the ball, it will go straight pass
the fairway into the rough.
if i tee off from white tee, no brainer, i would tee off with my 3 woods. bu
t from blue tee, if i tee off with 3 woods, i leave my next shot too long fr
om green.
driver
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 你画的蓝线红线有多远？
: 这个问题没觉得多复杂。 你能击中到fairway，就用driver 。这个完全就是个driver
: 的洞。
: 你要是觉得你driver一定会出fairway，那基本上就是你选错了tee。
:
: my
| t****i
发帖数: 904 | 14 如果是我的话会选driver，按红线瞄准，打draw。如果直飞最多也就是长草，还有希望。
兰线不好，hook的话就OB乐。
my
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: here is hole from summitpointe, actually i have problems with few similiar
: holes like that from other courses as well.
: you can look from the picture.
: 1. if i drive straight, as the red line, i would wind up in the rough,
: passing the fairway, which makes it harder to approach.
: 2. if i tee off with 3 wood, the green line, i could get on fairway, but my
: second shot would be more than 200 yards away, and it is uphill.
: 3. if i draw with drive, as the blue line, it is low percentage shot, and
: risk of
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 15 end of red line 256 or so
end of blue line 234 or so.
but they may be some uphill.
driver
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 你画的蓝线红线有多远？
: 这个问题没觉得多复杂。 你能击中到fairway，就用driver 。这个完全就是个driver
: 的洞。
: 你要是觉得你driver一定会出fairway，那基本上就是你选错了tee。
:
: my
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 16 老大，你想提高的话，怎么可能让你的6 iron不舒服，而 3woods很舒服呢？
这项运动，很难有所谓的 get around with it这个说法。 当然了，要看不同的level。
这么说吧，如果你认为该洞就是个bogey洞，那可能你咋舒服咋打。
如果就是个正常的，那就是driver
所谓的draw／fade说实话，都是aggressive的办法，而不是正常的打法。这个完全是两
个level的事情。
别忘了，大部分的pga tour player打球都是 1－ dimensional。 能work on ball，
并在场上能打出的都是少数。
这么说吧，你认为你能draw一个球，那么前提是你能很自信的认为你能把球打直了，落
在fairway上。而如果你能draw
出来，那表明这里是有很大的优势。
如你图中所示，你瞄在fairway的左边，不是也能cut过这个角落？
我提过很多的work on ball, 我也给jeamouse 演示，在driving range。 我上次和
balbatross打得最后一个洞，我也演
示了一个球如何curve过树，然后落在左角落的球洞部分。 还是9
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: lets play there some time togather.
: i played blue tee, normally, i prefer play longer course than shorter, since
: my worst shot is around 160. ie, i feel more comfortable to hit 200 3 woods
: than 170 5 iron.
: from blue tee, if i drive without curving the ball, it will go straight pass
: the fairway into the rough.
: if i tee off from white tee, no brainer, i would tee off with my 3 woods. bu
: t from blue tee, if i tee off with 3 woods, i leave my next shot too long fr
: om green.
:
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 17 aiming the left side is the high reward way to play, basically you cut the c
orner. but as teeski said, if you hook, your ball would be out of bound, i j
ust think it is too risky.
level。
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 老大，你想提高的话，怎么可能让你的6 iron不舒服，而 3woods很舒服呢？
: 这项运动，很难有所谓的 get around with it这个说法。 当然了，要看不同的level。
: 这么说吧，如果你认为该洞就是个bogey洞，那可能你咋舒服咋打。
: 如果就是个正常的，那就是driver
: 所谓的draw／fade说实话，都是aggressive的办法，而不是正常的打法。这个完全是两
: 个level的事情。
: 别忘了，大部分的pga tour player打球都是 1－ dimensional。 能work on ball，
: 并在场上能打出的都是少数。
: 这么说吧，你认为你能draw一个球，那么前提是你能很自信的认为你能把球打直了，落
: 在fairway上。而如果你能draw
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 18 if you don't mind 200 yard second shot, you can try the following
unconventional method:
aim the center of the fairway (adjacent hole), the play would be broke
down to
245 yard drive +
205 yard approach (uphill)
since
woods
pass
bu
fr
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: lets play there some time togather.
: i played blue tee, normally, i prefer play longer course than shorter, since
: my worst shot is around 160. ie, i feel more comfortable to hit 200 3 woods
: than 170 5 iron.
: from blue tee, if i drive without curving the ball, it will go straight pass
: the fairway into the rough.
: if i tee off from white tee, no brainer, i would tee off with my 3 woods. bu
: t from blue tee, if i tee off with 3 woods, i leave my next shot too long fr
: om green.
:
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 19 your yardage is about right.
to me, that is almost ideal on paper, but in reality, my driver tend to go s
traight, ie, land on the right side of fairway, and if it fly around 250, it
would land beyong the cart path, into rough.
ixcafe said he played similiar strategy to aim left side of fairway.
i played that course 3 times now, almost everytime, my approaching shot is 1
85 uphill from rough, and I cant blame on my drive, since it is almost as go
od as i can. but the 185 uphill from the rough al
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: if you don't mind 200 yard second shot, you can try the following
: unconventional method:
: aim the center of the fairway (adjacent hole), the play would be broke
: down to
: 245 yard drive +
: 205 yard approach (uphill)
:
: since
: woods
: pass
| u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 20 i'd go with 3 wood if i knew driver would get me into deep rough
200 on fairway is much easier than 185 from rough
s
it
1
go
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: your yardage is about right.
: to me, that is almost ideal on paper, but in reality, my driver tend to go s
: traight, ie, land on the right side of fairway, and if it fly around 250, it
: would land beyong the cart path, into rough.
: ixcafe said he played similiar strategy to aim left side of fairway.
: i played that course 3 times now, almost everytime, my approaching shot is 1
: 85 uphill from rough, and I cant blame on my drive, since it is almost as go
: od as i can. but the 185 uphill from the rough al
| | | A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 21 说起这个洞让我想起这次看的PEBBLE BEACH的US OPEN, 星期日
PRO们都害怕的第14洞 DOG-LEG RIGHT PAR5, GREEN像个炮台
有打短的，LAYUP，像紫色线画的
有打直的，出了FAIRWAY，进左边ROUGH，像蓝色线画的, Retief Goosen
有打CUT CORNER的，没CUT过去的，有的进BUNKER，有的进右手边ROUGH，像黄色线画的
Ian Pouter
唯一一个我看到，最牛逼的就是沿FAIRWAY FADE的， 像红色线画的
Tiger
虽然他拿的BIRDIE，不过到那个时候人人都觉得大势以去了
现在再回想他TEE OFF的那个球，实在太牛X了 | p****4
发帖数: 517 | 22 how far do you hit your 3-wood tee off?
my
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: here is hole from summitpointe, actually i have problems with few similiar
: holes like that from other courses as well.
: you can look from the picture.
: 1. if i drive straight, as the red line, i would wind up in the rough,
: passing the fairway, which makes it harder to approach.
: 2. if i tee off with 3 wood, the green line, i could get on fairway, but my
: second shot would be more than 200 yards away, and it is uphill.
: 3. if i draw with drive, as the blue line, it is low percentage shot, and
: risk of
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 23 i recalled my play at this hole more than 1 year ago. from white tee (393
yard on sign) that time.
drove to right side roguh of cart path 180 - 190 YARD OR SO (那时基本不会用
DRIVER, MODERATE TO SEVERe SLICE all the time, 只要能找到球我都以为打的"好" )
THEN HIT A GOOD 4IRON FROM ROUGH WITH 40-50 YARDS LEFT.
3 PUTTS. double bogey
结果成了我打的还可以的洞
因为那一轮 我有１０个以上的３OR ３＋ OVER
going to revist this course this week... | t***w
发帖数: 165 | 24 ET's advice here really opens my eyes to my own game. I was trying too many
variety shots with not much confidence most times. On some days I am sure
I can hit a fade or a draw.
There is almost never a day I could do both with confidence, but some times
I still try them, usually with very bad results and end up cursing "I'm an
idiot !"..... hehehhe.. eventhough my last name is not Mickelson.
level。
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 老大，你想提高的话，怎么可能让你的6 iron不舒服，而 3woods很舒服呢？
: 这项运动，很难有所谓的 get around with it这个说法。 当然了，要看不同的level。
: 这么说吧，如果你认为该洞就是个bogey洞，那可能你咋舒服咋打。
: 如果就是个正常的，那就是driver
: 所谓的draw／fade说实话，都是aggressive的办法，而不是正常的打法。这个完全是两
: 个level的事情。
: 别忘了，大部分的pga tour player打球都是 1－ dimensional。 能work on ball，
: 并在场上能打出的都是少数。
: 这么说吧，你认为你能draw一个球，那么前提是你能很自信的认为你能把球打直了，落
: 在fairway上。而如果你能draw
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 25 2nd time played the course. this hole turned out my worst hole, only
tripple bogey of the round.
我发现我有MID ROUND SLUMP 综合症, this hole was right at there during my
slump
although it is only 205 yard from blue tee to the tree, but in reality, due
to the uphill, it is much harder to get over it..
hit shortest drive of the round, with 205 left from right rough uneven lie.
但这SHORT DRIVE INTO ROUGH 其实问题不大,
主要问题还是出在AROUND THE GREEN:
hit 5wood okay for the second, with about 30-40 left in short rough.
c
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: i recalled my play at this hole more than 1 year ago. from white tee (393
: yard on sign) that time.
: drove to right side roguh of cart path 180 - 190 YARD OR SO (那时基本不会用
: DRIVER, MODERATE TO SEVERe SLICE all the time, 只要能找到球我都以为打的"好" )
: THEN HIT A GOOD 4IRON FROM ROUGH WITH 40-50 YARDS LEFT.
: 3 PUTTS. double bogey
: 结果成了我打的还可以的洞
: 因为那一轮 我有１０个以上的３OR ３＋ OVER
: going to revist this course this week...
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 26 I finally PAR the hole.
but it came from unlikely approach.
aiming to the left, but i overswung, ended up driving the ball around 140
yards, approaching with 3woods to gain as much as i can. the good thing is
that the ball is short of green, but it sits on the fairway. 52 degree pitch
left me 2 feet to hole.
due
.
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: 2nd time played the course. this hole turned out my worst hole, only
: tripple bogey of the round.
: 我发现我有MID ROUND SLUMP 综合症, this hole was right at there during my
: slump
: although it is only 205 yard from blue tee to the tree, but in reality, due
: to the uphill, it is much harder to get over it..
: hit shortest drive of the round, with 205 left from right rough uneven lie.
: 但这SHORT DRIVE INTO ROUGH 其实问题不大,
: 主要问题还是出在AROUND THE GREEN:
: hit 5wood okay for the second, with about 30-40 left in short rough.
| N**E
发帖数: 596 | | v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 28 Very good to hear that. I remember you used to carry 54 and 58 wedges?
Change for good? LOL.
pitch
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: I finally PAR the hole.
: but it came from unlikely approach.
: aiming to the left, but i overswung, ended up driving the ball around 140
: yards, approaching with 3woods to gain as much as i can. the good thing is
: that the ball is short of green, but it sits on the fairway. 52 degree pitch
: left me 2 feet to hole.
:
: due
: .
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 29 i used to have 48, which is P, and 56 and 60
i trade 56 for 52 and 58.
now i am in 4 wedges camp, and i take out my 5 woods.
looks from the out-come, it seems to be good so far.
i am thinking to bend 58 to 57 though.
anyone done bending before? i always hear ppl saying bending wedge. anyone c
an give a nutshell about why and how?
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: Very good to hear that. I remember you used to carry 54 and 58 wedges?
: Change for good? LOL.
:
: pitch
|
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