p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1 do not know. I never ask for photo/signature etc anyway. But I saw Phil
Ivey take pic with fans a few times, but not sure he can get out of FTP mess
before thxgiving.
But you can always take picture/ask signature from me. :) |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 2 他是天才。其实DWAN也用9 HIGH在HSPCALL了DANIEL的2万多的 RIVER BET，那个BOARD
几乎和当年STU CALL别人的一模一样 3 3 7 K Q，不过他CALL错了，DANIEL有个K。能
call别人的BLUFF一定要求自己相信自己的判断，不second guess yourself.Stu玩牌时
应该是对自己非常有信心的那种。唉，他要还在就好，可以看看他和 Ivey, Dwan玩牌
是什么样子。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 没错，俺自认已经是对扑克很上瘾，但是充其量只算平均值的玩家。
就俺这点量这点low stake，俺一年也能为FTP贡献过万的rake，天，就算昨天说的，实
地赌场$12/hr的rake不高，它们要赚一万rake，也得俺这样的一年玩1000小时以上，不
可能的事情。
更别提绝大多数小玩家，如果没有网络扑克，对赌场的“贡献”一年可能近乎为零。
扑克和其他赌场游戏最主要的不同，就是其他的BJ，craps等等，都是和赌场赌，赌场
靠概率优势和玩家错误大发特发。
但是扑克，赌场的利润很单一，就是手续费rake，这个必须靠巨大的量来体现利润，你
就是只有钱玩1/2c的，时间长了，照样比一年只光顾次把赌场的观光客利润高得多，而
且网络扑克成本低太多了，多架2 servers，几个码工看着，比运转几十个dealers,
floor managers, cashiers，场地，设施，...便宜不是一点半点。
没有网络扑克，还能有ivey，毕竟人是真刀真枪，under age就拿假驾照从AC赌场一点
点杀出来的，但是有没有durrrr这样的，俺看很悬，$100根本没地方玩，玩也早淹死了
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 4 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Deal! I actually expect things would work this way when they signed the deal. DOJ
confistigated lot of FTP's payment procoessor money last few years and time
to give it back.
Not sure about the 1 Billion $ fine though. I think partypoker paid
300$million when they quited U.S. Guess DOJ may give FTP a break this time.
Chris Fergerson, Howard Ledger , even Phil Ivey may face jail time
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 5 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Deal! I actually expect things would work this way when they signed the deal. DOJ
confistigated lot of FTP's payment procoessor money last few years and time
to give it back.
Not sure about the 1 Billion $ fine though. I think partypoker paid
300$million when they quited U.S. Guess DOJ may give FTP a break this time.
Chris Fergerson, Howard Ledger , even Phil Ivey may face jail time
later on if Pozni scheme is convicted. |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 6 Guy, Ivey, durrrrrrrr ???????? I think this is too good to a chance to pass
for them, Ego-wise or marketing-wise. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 hoho, a majority of poker players do not have stable family, too much up
and downs in life. See phil ivey, Daniel, etc. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Sun Nov 6 20:48:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
and o'dea down to a few BBs, sigh.
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superbobo (123) 于 (Sun Nov 6 20:49:09 2011, 美东) 提到:
等于Collins BB掉O'Dea，哈哈
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Sun Nov 6 20:50:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
still sick and sick.
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player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Sun Nov 6 20:52:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
OD made a mista... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 9 we are not expecting a game like Ivey vs Durrrr. It is just a game that we
will enjoy watching since we are familiar with each other.
thinking |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 当年可是实打实的交了300m的罚金给DOJ和解，退出后的市场让FTP，PS瓜分，这几年赚
狠了去了。
现在可好，PS识趣早，也没玩ponzi scheme，把美国玩家的钱退了，名声保住了，DOJ
也不大可能再追究了，哪天online poker真合法化了，借个美国赌场的壳杀回来。
FTP其实也不赖，反正烂屁股一个，钱都没了，爱咋的咋的，这一卖，DOJ可能也就大事
化小了，钱让买家赔一部分，估计玩家的吵吵声音也就下去了，时间也过去那么久了。
DOJ原先要的2B罚款也就是空话，仅存的几个官司，象chris fugerson它们几个，完全
可以请律师脱身，说自己不是主要幕后操纵，幕后操纵的也都在海外，DOJ要追究其实
也就是中间帮着转钱的，象ivey之流还可以继续装无辜。顶多拖个官司，最后交点毛毛
雨罚款，认个轻罪，不伤筋骨。
要是不死不活拖到online poker真合法化了，这些“小事”“过去的事”就更不值得追
究了。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 Most poker players think like losers. I know this because most poker players
tell me in excruciating detail how they think about the game. Whether I
like it or not, I’m going to hear seat three’s lesson on why raising with
pocket tens is a dumb idea. And then I’m going to hear how lucky I was to
spike the ten on the river
Thinking like a loser is sure to keep you losing. Why? Because it means you
are focused on the wrong things, and this poor focus will prevent you from
improving. Here are some ... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 人常道，岁月是把杀猪刀，一刀又一刀。去年AC大会的寒冬热浪填坑忙，犹在眼前，春
花秋月又是一圈。
罪恶之城，和十一年前俺第一次来时一样，灯火辉煌，夜色斓珊，低胸超短裙，前挺后
蹶，媚眼如丝。这十几年，东岸到西岸的飞，闲了一年两次，忙了两年一次，细细数来
，这已经是第十次！(靠！泥马不是赌鬼投胎是啥子？)
11/23 (周三)
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托地主player的热情接待，搭车直奔strip。哥们儿和俺一个模子捣出来的，长得象也
就罢了，还同岁同身高不同体重。人极豪爽健谈，酒足饭饱，意犹未尽，拎着啤酒就
上旅馆房间，细数一遍版上ID，陈年往事，鸡毛蒜皮，口舌大战...笑岔气。说曹曹到
，谈笑间，某女生带家属到达LV，电话中自称疲惫不堪，需恶补休息云云(你信么，反
正俺是不信)。
夜间俺摸黑下楼，直奔下塌的Harrahs的poker room，才刚过12点，冷清，稀稀拉拉2桌
，几个游客和老流氓在恶斗。不过半晌时分，全部散去，俺觉得还不过瘾，又故地重游
去了Flamingo，前年在这里拿了把royal flush，自觉福地也......激战一宿，高不过
一... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 13 my fav vid is Phil. Galfond's on Bluefire, especially his philosophy
series.
here are two samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SNMXVGBx3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBq7t-xQnas
For semi education/semi entertainment, high stake poker season 1-6 are
great, not 7 though since Gabe Kapland is not in. Million $ cash game,
Aussie millon cash game , Poker stars Big game, Poker After dark Cash game
are all decent. Some of the best cash players , like Durrrr, Ivey , PA are
in the s... 阅读全帖 |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 14 NEW S05E03 Million Dollar Cash Game Full Tilt 2011 FULL EPISODE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKKdBLX7TN4&feature=related
42:20-47:00
Feldman has 53s, on A53 rb flop after ivey bets, benyamine calls, he raises
then benyamine shove, what possibly can he beats, A2? Everything else, set,
two pair, straight, he's all drawing so thin, if not dead. How can he call
the shove here? I am totally lost. He's only got 2.5 to 1. And I have no
idea how he raises at the first place, 53 is at the bottom of the... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 got to love phill's comments when he made the call. "I guess you got me. I call." lol.. i have heard fish saying that many times at 1/2 tables. The greatest and the fish seems to play the same sometimes, but they really don't. "welcome to the Ivey world.".. lol |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 16 For hand 1 and 2, I think all your thoughts make sense and could certainly
work in your favor.
I like raising the turn for hand 1 because your hand was ahead but very
vulnerable. The pot was big already. So I'd like to end the hand there. And
raising the turn is a good balance for your bluffs. That thin value raise
depolarized your turn raise range, which made it a disaster for villain if
he decides to use TPTK as a bluff catcher.
Hand 2: again, nothing wrong with your play. I like checking a tr... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论一手牌 yeah. all different approaches work as long as you work hard enough on it.
Some ppl learn by reading books, watching vidoes, some ppl just learn by
playing. Heard Phil Ivey even does not know the concept of EV, patrick
anotonius never read a single poker book. |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 18 Cash game: deep stack, patience. You can be a winning player by playing in
various styles.
Tourneys: short stack, often times there is an optimal play. You can only
win a tourney by playing aggressively.
Overall, tourneys are easier since there are mathematically proven optimal
plays when you are short stacked. I am pretty sure that I play as good as
Phil Ivey when I have 15 BBs or less. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 太简单，A和B就不是一路人。
A可能是HU高手，而B是6-max, full ring专家。
同理，很多tournament高手在cash game让人打得找不着牙。两者兼修都厉害的人较少
，比如ivey。 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 20 Variance in poker is the evil. Sometimes it makes you feel like Phil Ivey;
but most of time it makes you feel like idiot. A good player knows how to
adjust his game to conquer variance, but an excellent player knows how to
adjust his game to use variance as a weapon to conquer his opponents. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 24 +1.
I have a lot more stuck there. guess we can only focus on things that we
can control now. just consider it is a bonus if we get it. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 25 chris is the biggest boss of FTP.... |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 26 in 1-2 or 2-5 NL ,there are just so many limp pots. in 5-10NL, it is usually
a lot less limping. But even at nosebleeding stake game , like the game
played by Ivey, durrrr, there are still decent amount of limp pot. I won one
of biggest pot in 2-5 nl just in a limp pot.
agree with fryking, you are confident with postflop play and can get
better edge by seeing cheap flop, playing limp pot is not a problem. |
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k*******u
发帖数: 266 | 27 Phil Ivey will play it the same way. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 28 tournament poker有点想好莱坞， 我们看那么多 明星tom cruise, julia roberts
一个电影就上千万， 其实那是金字塔尖上的尖。 好莱坞的平均收入好像只有3-4万一
年。
看poker tourney好像好多millionare, 其实真正到 那个级别的比例非常少。
有些嬴了million 后也还回broke. 而且运气的成分非常高。 一个top pro一两年没有
大的cash 都很正常。daniel negreanu , phil ivey 其实就是金字塔尖上了。太多的
小pro, 在下面打拼， 能稳定赢钱，生存下来的不少， 但纯靠打live tourney 得非常
少。 真正能嬴millions ，并能长期稳定嬴的的确不多。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 29 tournament poker有点想好莱坞， 我们看那么多 明星tom cruise, julia roberts
一个电影就上千万， 其实那是金字塔尖上的尖。 好莱坞的平均收入好像只有3-4万一
年。
看poker tourney好像好多millionare, 其实真正到 那个级别的比例非常少。
有些嬴了million 后也还回broke. 而且运气的成分非常高。 一个top pro一两年没有
大的cash 都很正常。daniel negreanu , phil ivey 其实就是金字塔尖上了。太多的
小pro, 在下面打拼， 能稳定赢钱，生存下来的不少， 但纯靠打live tourney 得非常
少。 真正能嬴millions ，并能长期稳定嬴的的确不多。 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 30 I talked with another LHE expert today during a break from work, and he
highly advocated raising the turn if anything 'to leave yourself heads up
against the fish', and with ~7 big bets in the pot when it gets to V1 on the
turn if he did have a gunshot he's not making a big enough mistake calling
there than the luxury of being HU with fish.
I would say if I didn't raise turn on the river given the way it played out
I wouldn't want to raise river because my raise multi way shows so much more
stre... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 呵呵，有意思，前几天俺也在想几个类似的问题。以前是你说的吧，XXX is correct
in the long term, but your life may not be long enough.
俺试验了3个多月，俺做不到，甚至做不到$15/hr这个"低"标准，尽管这是一般认为的
good rate in long term。个人水平有限，仅供参考。
一个业余选手，一年打500小时，这已经几乎牺牲掉大部分黄金业余时间(周末等)，确
实也就是一万把左右，加上travel time，实际上可能要6，700小时以上。这么说，一
辈子，就算能坚持，也就是30年，30万把牌。
online，这个只需要大概几个月。
以前说过很多次，online有很多很大的好处，所以the future of poker is online
and only online.
不说别的，只有online才能提供micro stake cash games or tourneys，multi tables
, 24x7 full action（时区，地域影响相对小）。
rakeback, bonus说起来也很大，... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 32 这个基本就是风暴和aiwill的观点了吧。。
hobby - fine 如果没有赌博上瘾
职业 - 除非HS明星来娱乐大众（我觉得像Ivey Dwan这种可以算）其他的确实
是建立在别人输钱的痛苦上
其他大众娱乐，输赢的双方基本没有输钱的（除非参与赌博了），主要还是
娱乐。普通的职业poker player确实很难做到这点。
我个人观点poker不同于其他娱乐职业之处就是有这部分不娱乐大众的职业玩家
其他体育项目或者表演职业者，都是以娱乐大众为主要目标。当然，也有非职业的
运动员和表演家，这部分人的目的跟业余poker玩家有点类似，就是获得参与感。
赢" |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 嗯，个人喜好。 我不喜欢研究我觉得没有一点价值的人。
Buss 还好，ivey, durr 这种人的事情， They do well or go broke and die in
despair. I really don't give a shit. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 35 he's a long time LV legend who has played high limit games for all his
career.
card player once interviewed him. he went under radar because ppl know
tournament players better, but he said he beat any "famous" tournament
player in terms of hourly rate.
he has a happy family with 3 kids too. |
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 36 版大太渊博了，啥人都了解啊。这货打的还真不错，有一手解说说："Even Durrrr was
stunned..."
如果这人说的hourly rate是真的那他岂不是都billionaire了？ |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 37 老大是texaswiki.com的CEO
was |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 这家伙绝对是cash game的名将，经过长期考验的，屈指可数的名将，而且擅长多种MIX
游戏。
很少打tourney，他说在名fame和利money之间，他选择后者。他也是FTP pro之一，以
前经常可以看到在上面和hansen, urindanger, durrrr之类的混战顶级桌子，一个挺敦
厚的avatar。在LV，据说经常找不到自己想打的高级别，比较郁闷。
没记错的话，出身贫寒，而且高中没毕业。
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 43 同意。 full time job + part time poker, live一年如果能打个1k 小时的， 就是
赚点小钱（50$/ hour 就是2/5也不少吧？ 还不算路上的time and cost)其实也是悲剧。
其实也就是一个不现实的梦想有一天能打成Phil Ivey 在那里撑着加班加点。可怜啊。
干点啥别的不好。 就连马功的加班费都不如。
!!!
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such |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 44 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 我开始怀疑 就像讨论牌神phil ivey 一样。。。。 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 45 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Yeah! Cake rarely has overlay -- life is not that sweet. :-)
But I do think last minute buyin is always +EV. This is true even for
regular MTTs. Lets see an example. Say a regular MTT has 1000 players with $
10k prize pool and 5000 starting chips. After 1 hour, 500 busted. So we have
500 players left and 10000 average chips. Lets simplify the case and say
that a player with the average stack size has 10k / 500 = $20 equity.Then I
joined at the last minute. I paid $10+fee and got 5000 chips, which is h... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 不赌算了。 what's the point of Dwan betting 1mil on Ivey unable to be a
vegetarian for 1 year? |
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z******n
发帖数: 8851 | 47 明天俺也要去VEGAS啦，住在我最想去的ARIA，见到那帮星星月亮就说，“dur/ivey,
sign for me！”，哈哈。。。我不是追星族。。。 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 48 有点这意思...
不过不知道这帮人的table draw怎么搞的，硬生生把ivey, max, grinder和今年1drop
winner anthony gregg堆在feature table上...为了TV也不能这么赤裸裸的吧 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 49 周末打牌刚回来，打的像一坨屎。我是 fish 中的 fish。给一帮 AC 老流氓玩死。4
个小时在 NL 1/2 输了 600 百。结果回程巴士也不坐了，被迫硬蹲了另外 8 小时，第
二天下午总算扳回来再加 40。结果是用了 18 小时时间赢 40。我现在拒绝计算我的赢
率。呵呵。
回到这个 online 的话题。我很高兴看到 wmwmw 跟我也一样的感觉，PS & FTP 妖牌和
冤家牌太多了一些，总算我在这班上不是唯一感觉器官不正常的老鸟。
我 PS & FTP 总有几十多万手。Lock 打到现在接近 8 万手，还真没有碰到 FTP & PS
这种 bad beat， cooler 搞到我毛的情况。Fryking 一向是站在 online poker 纯净
派的这一边，认为一切的一切只是因为 online poker 发牌快，手数多的结果。我就没
有这么纯洁了，我认为有人，涉及到钱的地方就有江湖。Stock Market 有 SEC 这么大
一个机构管着，House 作弊的还是层出不穷。Bernie Madoff 在没有被 bust 之前是
30 多年的金字招牌，Chairman... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 50 Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan这些个烂人都是靠着FTP从玩家身上吸的那些血来stake他们才活
到现在的。 |
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