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首先声明,这个主题我原意是由沪、深、港3位乐友结合自己的听感,共同创作的一个帖
子;无奈该香港乐友不喜欢写长篇,委托我写写他的感受(基本也代表了我的感受),剩
下的几个我们都不熟的版本,我自说自话交给砍柴兄来评论了--砍柴兄接招啊!
1. EMI 舒纳贝尔版
第一个就评述这个版本,感到压力很大。它被奉为这套曲目的标尺,而我最近恰恰反复听
这个版本,感到要说的话很多。
首先,作为贝多芬演奏的先驱,舒纳贝尔基本采取的是浪漫派的演奏手法,不拘一格,速
度自由,有如弹自己创作的东西那般潇洒。这种随性的手法,是特殊时代的产物;换在今
天,可能从音乐学院毕业那一关就有问题,更不用说巡回演出以及录唱片了。所以,这套
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R****s 发帖数: 635 | 2 前两天有人在mailing-list里送票,刚刚听了一场贝多芬的弦乐四重奏。
俺们这小地方,听场音乐会也不易。虽说演奏者不是什么有名的,但大家
却也都听的有滋有味。上半场曲目是op18的no.1和no.2,下半场是op130。
贝多芬早期的op18俺还是比较熟的,尤其no.1,因为每拿到一套新的CD,都
是先听op18的no.1和op59的no.1。因此现场就可以好好enjoy,彻底把注意力
放在演奏和配合上。下半场的130不太熟,注意力主要放在音乐上。op130
的最后一乐章最初是大赋格,后来大赋格单独作为op133单独出版,贝多芬
就又替op130写了末乐章。据演奏的人介绍,这个末乐章写于1826年11月,
也就是贝多芬去世前4个月,应该是贝多芬最后的四重奏,然而听上去,却
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f*o 发帖数: 185 | 3 http://www.classical.net.cn/record/record.asp?composer=Wagner
Based on people's comments:
Furt's ring does not get as good comments as his Beethoven. His orchestra is
not good, and the recording is poor. However, his Tristan in EMI is great in
terms of singer, recording (although mono, it is acceptable), and
interpretation.
Kna has several Bayreuth live recordings with strong casts. He is a legendary
Wagner conductor. The only negative thing is his tempo is too slow, like
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f*o 发帖数: 185 | 4 http://www.classical.net.cn/record/record.asp?composer=Wagner
Based on people's comments:
Furt's ring does not get as good comments as his Beethoven. His orchestra is
not good, and the recording is poor. However, his Tristan in EMI is great in
terms of singer, recording (although mono, it is acceptable), and
interpretation.
Kna has several Bayreuth live recordings with strong casts. He is a legendary
Wagner conductor. The only negative thing is his tempo is too slow, like
Parsifal. Among other m |
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y****e 发帖数: 107 | 5 excerpt from "Pogorelich: Lost and Found" http://www.sfcv.org/arts_revs/music_news_9_19_06.php
"Pogorelich is now preparing to record Rachmaninoff pieces and Beethoven
sonatas, and possibly to return to concertizing, as well. Asked what he
thinks today when he hears himself described as "eccentric," "arrogant," and
"difficult," the pianist said, "That was my image. I worked on it myself
like a child making a toy. That was the price a 22-year-old had to pay to
make an awful lot of money. People |
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y****e 发帖数: 107 | 6 http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2006/11/schiff_on_beethoven.html
One of the best-kept secrets in London was the lecture series Andras Schiff
gave in parallel to his electrifying cycle of Beethoven sonatas at the
Wigmore Hall. In May a friend managed to get a ticket for me - and I was
simply dazzled by the performance he put on - a riveting mixture of
erudition, analysis, passion, wit and memory. Schiff talked for more than
two and a half hours about three lateish sonatas - and for anyone inter |
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y****e 发帖数: 107 | 9 search and watch them all night long~
Ivo Pogorelich in Villa Contarini
Yundi Li Documentary
LANG LANG BEETHOVEN PIANO CONCERTO No.4
LANG LANG RACHMANINOV PIANO CONCERTO No.3
CPN PRE 8 6 24 PF:PLLN (beautifully played!, hehe...)
Rachmaninov - Piano Concerto No 2 in C minor Op 18 - Berliner Philharmoniker
, Alexis Weissenberg (Sergey & Karajan) 1974
Glenn Gould - J S Bach Brandenburg Concerto No 5
ARGERICH TCHAIKOVSKY PIANO CONCERTO No.1
Yefim Bronfman plays Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No 1
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f*****r 发帖数: 34 | 10 Here’s a peculiar collaboration, perhaps the oddest of the season: Riccardo
Muti conducted the pianist Lang Lang in Beethoven’s “Emperor” Concerto
on Thursday evening at Avery Fisher Hall.
Mr. Muti performs with an Apollonian sense of proportion and precision, and
a dramatic flair offset by a devotion to textual propriety. Mr. Lang is a
Dionysian firebrand, whose crowd-pleasing style is rooted in speediness,
display and a repertory of physical and facial gestures that telegraph his
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y****e 发帖数: 107 | 11 L7C139, ends 08/06
deals such as boxed sets, lots of 6.66/8.33 2cds, 9.99 3cds... go get the
takacs sq's beethoven (2+3+3) sets for 26.66 ! |
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y****e 发帖数: 107 | 12 下午听了jonathan biss和他老妈miriam fried的brahms/bartok小奏系列1,随便说两
句biss。
biss是郎朗在curtis的同学,leon fleisher的学生,被认为是新生代的代表人物之一
。有人认为biss的成名无非是得益于其显赫的音乐世家,父(paul biss)母皆是知名的
小提琴家,大提琴家的祖母garbousova更是samuel barber大协的题献人。不过我听他
的现场和在emi的debut专辑-schumann“大卫同盟”/beethoven“热情”,biss绝非徒
有虚名。
现场的biss和他照片上差不多的“呆头呆脑”,但演奏叫人惊讶的自信,成熟与稳健,
绝对没有造作炫耀的举动,能感觉到是在用头脑弹琴,这也是评论对其称道的地方。
biss最新广受好评的全schumann专辑(c大调幻想曲,克莱斯勒偶记,阿拉伯风格)还
没听,但他弹的“大卫同盟”的确是十分出色,处理上不过多纠缠在表面的性格对比或
冲突上,而更多表现schuamnn知性和人文的一面。biss的风格颇有些fleisher的风范,
所谓“智性的力量,温暖,优雅而有兴味 |
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s*****r 发帖数: 183 | 13 Amazon上有一个deal,是Beethoven的四重奏全集。 |
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L*******n 发帖数: 3169 | 14 我最喜欢的beethoven四重奏全集……
现场版能如此近乎完美是很不容易的一件事情,很注意作品内部的细微变化,速度与力
量的变化作的非常的好
btw,amazon上的那个好像是长年如此低价吧…… |
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b******1 发帖数: 113 | 15 The one on sale is their first Beethoven cycle, not the live recording one. |
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C******s 发帖数: 270 | 18 Kerman的The Beethoven Quartets的
I am unqualified to write a review of this highly acclaimed book, because I
am neither a musicologist nor a student of music.
If you have training in music, please ignore this review. I give it 5 stars
merely because it is highly acclaimed.
I'm writing this mostly because it is not mentioned here on Amazon, or
elsewhere, what the book consists of, and whether "casual listeners" can
read it. The answer is "no".
I purchased this book because I love the late quartets |
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j******o 发帖数: 82 | 21 no longer available..再贴一下? |
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j******o 发帖数: 82 | 26 谢谢.看来你的EMBEDDED LINK有问题 |
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s*******y 发帖数: 46535 | 27 我刚试过,人家贴得link没问题,估计你的什么设置有问题 |
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j******o 发帖数: 82 | 28 link is ok, but the embedded player cannot play
the video, complaining video not found. |
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Q*********r 发帖数: 93 | 30 谢了, but I was looking for the symphonies.
I own the complete symphony cycle recorded by various European orchestras as
well as American and Japanese ones. Just looking to buy one (or more) done
by fellow Chinese musicians. (I couldn't find any such CD on my last trip
to Shanghai, but I was in a hurry and only checked one 新华书店.)
BTW, I have the Shanghai Quartet CD for Op. 59 Nos. 2 & 3. Excellent
interpretation and performance!
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s*******y 发帖数: 46535 | 31 Sorry, I just saw the title and thought you were asking for quartet, ft, I'm
really getting old and lost
as
done
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Q*********r 发帖数: 93 | 32 Actually, thank you snow大叔 for that link to the Shanghai Quartet
recordings. I bookmarked it.
I'm collecting LvB's string quartet cycle recordings as well. Too bad
Shanghai hasn't recorded all of them yet... but again, LvB's string quartets
are so complex, it makes sense for Shanghai to take their time and make
superb performances when they're ready, like they did with Op. 59 No. 2 & 3.
-brett
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s*******y 发帖数: 46535 | 33 那个网站是主攻古典的,东西非常全,呵呵
quartets
3. |
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Q*********r 发帖数: 93 | 35 谁知道?I browsed through Amazon.com but found none. Is this piece too
difficult for Chinese violinists?
BTW, I have Xue Wei's Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto CD ( http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000030RW/?tag=asin-blnk-20 ) and it's pretty good, very Russian-sounding.
Thanks,
-brett |
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ysatie (ysatie) 于 (Sun Mar 16 23:52:26 2008) 提到:
完整版!等了快一年终于凑齐了, 慢慢听
Schiff on Beethoven
http://music.guardian.co.uk/classical/page/0,,1943867,00.html
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snowsunny (snow大叔) 于 (Mon Mar 17 00:03:44 2008) 提到:
赞!
呵呵,这里都快要杯弓蛇影了,:)
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tidewater (弦影) 于 (Mon Mar 17 00:03:47 2008) 提到:
赞,俺现在下载要快,否则有可能错过。俺只能先来句俗套的,先下再听…………
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Thorsten (Thorsten) 于 (Thu Sep 27 21:21:55 2007) 提到:
以前学校的BBS上讨论过
第21奏鸣曲和第23奏鸣曲是否属于同等档次的曲子
这儿喜欢钢琴的多,听听大家的意思
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dashdash (dash) 于 (Fri Sep 28 11:41:17 2007) 提到:
说的是老贝哦。。 老贝中期的三部最有名之1。翻成"华尔斯坦"
Gilels的版本是必听的。那张在DG的老版单张。。听说好贵。
上次看到Schnabel的一套32贝奏名曲,10张, 才30$。。 不是EMI的。。是翻
版的。没下手。
http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Sonatas-Germany-Artur-Schnabel/dp/B000AAVCYS/
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Kabalevsky (Une barque sur l'océan) 于 (Fri Sep 21 10:26:44 2007) 提到:
听他的Beethoven sonata听得实在高兴,
前天晚上开车就是慢不下来,高速上飚车若干圈。
他的音乐就是那么让人感动
show off得来不会惹人烦。
颗粒弹跳实在是太清楚,
控制能力太强。
太喜欢拉!!!!!!
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karajan (光与影) 于 (Fri Sep 21 10:41:13 2007) 提到:
这个也真是Crazy
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jojomojo (koko) 于 (Fri Sep 21 11:20:07 2007) 提到:
呵呵,我正在听他的二碟装Great Pianists of the 20th Century.
他的死据他的学生Richter说是个accident: K |
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p****o 发帖数: 760 | 39 1,时间是重要的线索和划分标准之一,否则音乐研究会更复杂混乱.我们可以把同意世纪
的音乐家划在一个大块里,然后再按他们的特点风格细分,最后再细划到个人研究.就好
象说人是否成熟不能看年纪,可是你能说出生年月不重要吗?难道这个人已经40了,就是
因为他不成熟我们就可以说他是18吗?我们只能说,这人已经40了,但是还不成熟.
2,伟大的音乐家从某种意义上来说都是伟大的开创者,Hayden是吗?Beethoven是吗?
3,坚决不同意你说的Rachmaninoff比Wagner更具有浪漫主义色彩.还是我前面说的话,他
们二人差别是很明显的.这样的比较明显对Rachmaninoff不公平.
4,Wagner作品特别是晚期作品和声,曲式,技巧等是对20世纪音乐有巨大的影响,从
Schonberg,Webern和以后的十二音作曲家的作品中都可以看到这种影响.但是就我所学,
我知道20世纪音乐历史不是从Wagner写起.(具体要说的太多,请允许我Wiki摘录一段用
来简单说明吧.)请问你看的哪本音乐历史书20世纪音乐是从wagner写起呢?可以告诉我
书名吗?我一定仔细拜读.
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EvanescenceW (时移事往) 于 (Wed Jun 16 22:54:52 2004) 提到:
Assez vif et bien rythme和Andantino, doucement expressif
照program单子抄下来的。这是什么语言啊?法语?谁能翻译一下曲名。
这是偶听过最美的弦乐四重奏了。两个Violin,一个viola和一个cello。
他们还奏了Haydn和Beethoven的曲子。但Debussy的最美。第一次听classical music听
得忘我!
Bravo!!
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netghost (滟滪大如猴) 于 (Thu Jun 17 06:34:36 2004) 提到:
德彪西的G小调弦乐四重奏。
那两个是第二和第三乐章。
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y****e 发帖数: 107 | 42 - Sviatoslav Richter - The Legendary Leipzig Recital of 1963
This recording preserves the complete concert of November 28, 1963 at the
Leipzig Gewandhaus. It is the only published recording of one of Richter's
favorite programs: the last three Sonatas of Beethoven. While Richter played
this music throughout most of his career and programmed these three Sonatas
together as late as 1991, this recording is the only one ever issued with
all three as performed at a single concert.
The original public |
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C******s 发帖数: 270 | 43 I downloaded several recordings last week.
I listened to Busch's recording of Beethoven's violin concerto. The first
movement was played too freely for me. The soloist often gets ahead of the
orchestra for no obvious reason, and they mismatch each other even on many
downbeats. I can't stand it, although Busch demonstrated a remarkable range
of varied tones and colors throughout the movement, and stunning precision
and double stops in the brilliant cadenza (it's a cadenza I heard for the
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l******a 发帖数: 247 | 44 有人和我一样喜欢Pachelbel's Canon吗?有一天开着车,WETA开始播放,被它的
beauty感动,车开到了还继续听,竟然大哭 (shy)。从前也听过,但也许那个
版本特别。
今天WETA又播了,看了看曲目单, 是
Orpheus Chamber Orchestra
DG 429.390
周围没有多少喜欢classical music的朋友,但今天发现了这个版。我没有学过乐器(除
了在附近一个community college修了1学期钢琴)但很喜欢听,很小的时候就会听音、识谱。喜欢Bach和Beethoven. 去Strathmore 听过 BSO的Brandenburg, 不过观众全是爷爷奶奶辈的,而且那么的好听竟然睡倒一片。
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lolalola (lee) 于 (Tue Jun 9 20:41:50 2009, 美东) 提到:
有人和我一样喜欢Pachelbel's Canon吗?有一天开着车,WETA开始播放,被它的
beauty感动,车开到了还继续听,竟然大哭 (shy)。从前也听过,但也许那个
版本特别。
今天WETA又播了,看了看曲目单, 是
Orpheus Chamber Orchestra
DG 429.390
周围没有多少喜欢classical music的朋友,但今天发现了这个版。我没有学过乐器(除
了在附近一个community college修了1学期钢琴)但很喜欢听,很小的时候就会听音、识谱。喜欢Bach和Beethoven. 去Strathmore 听过 BSO的Brandenburg, 不过观众全是爷爷奶奶辈的,而且那么的好听竟然睡倒一片。
对了,还很喜欢听choral music, 合唱。
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C*O 发帖数: 833 | 46 来自主题: ClassicalMusic版 - 贝2钢2乐章 昨天在LAB里干体力活 枯燥中打开youtube 随手键入beethoven piano concerto 2 听
完第一乐章 继续到第二乐章
说时迟 那时快 内心世界与音乐间的共振再次发生了[好久没有过了] 我的手继续机械
地干着活 可是整个人完全投入到音乐之中 感觉到眼睛慢慢湿润 心灵最深处被音乐深
深地感动着 不由想起读过的一则关于农民工的新闻:这个刚强的汉子 在生活中最艰难
的时刻都没有落过泪 可是现在 温总理的一句话 触动了他心里最柔软的部分 两种情况
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p**********n 发帖数: 1470 | 47 柴一拉二还不大气磅礴? 至少感情极为丰富.
beethoven sonata no. 3 没啥感情.
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h****a 发帖数: 580 | 48 【 以下文字转载自 WorldNews 讨论区 】
发信人: hpanda (panda), 信区: WorldNews
标 题: 北京郊区东高村年产小提琴30万把,占全世界产量1/3
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 4 12:12:22 2010, 美东)
Donggaocun, China (CNN) -- The sound of novice strings fills classrooms and
hallways in Donggaocun almost every day. At Pinggu Elementary School
students are practicing Beethoven's ninth symphony.
For the past three years, the local government has been encouraging students
to learn how to play the town's biggest export.
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T*******I 发帖数: 5138 | 49 音乐是比一切智慧、一切哲学更高的启示
人类音乐艺术的顶峰上站着一位无人可以望其项背的伟大先贤。他,就是路德维希
.凡.贝多芬(Ludwig van Beethoven, 1770-1827)。他以自己在音乐创作中获得的体
验告诉我们:“音乐是比一切智慧、一切哲学更高的启示。”,又说:“谁能渗透我音
乐的意义,便能超越常人无以自拔的苦难。”
遗憾的是,并非人人都能理解上述言论所表达的含义。要理解这句话,我们不妨借
用以下对照性的比喻:
如果,按照有神论的观点说某种不可知的力量(例如上帝)用某种物质,或者,从
无神论的角度说物质世界本身创造了整个宇宙世界(包括人类自身)的完美的和逻辑的
存在形式,那么,以贝多芬为代表的西方古典音乐大师们则以音乐艺术为手段共同创造
了人类智慧的完美的和逻辑的存在形式。
事实上,客观世界并不存在着天然的音乐,它是人类的灵性或智慧的产物。与伴随
文字内容的音乐(如歌曲)不同,以纯音乐为代表的西方古典音乐是一种不受任何文字
界定或可以界定的纯粹音符,它在本质上是一种毫无思想内容的、纯粹抽象的音乐 |
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y*****g 发帖数: 1822 | 50
" 我不认为作品分析和作曲技术上的原因是主要的。事实上Schumann还算为数不多(
Brahms当然更是)、能欣赏和继承Schubert的大家了,比如看这篇文章的话:
http://mq.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/citation/84/4/604 "
John Daverio 是专注关於 Schumann 和 Romantic period 音乐研究,他的文章也
可以。但牛津的音乐文章出品,并不是所有都精确无误: 例如 Richard Marston 的
Beethoven op.109 , 曾有其他网友发表文章批评某些贝多芬草稿斛头上的错误和误解
。言而 Schumann 对 Schubert 的 Impromptus D.935 看作为一个 " 四个乐章的 f小
调 奏鸣曲 " 这说法也不普遍受现今音乐家的认同。
另外, Schumann 的音乐, 除贝多芬外, schubert , 更重要的影响, 是来自一较少
名气的作曲家们( 例如 Spohr, Hummel, Moscheles, )。而 Schumann 的较古典倾向 |
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