t****t
发帖数: 95 | 1 Yes, I think it could be a fold given her loose image and the board
texture.
I had exactly similar hand a couple days ago. That hand went like this:
1/2 game 4 to open, I was BB with $100, had 55
MP limped, button raised to 15, I called, MP called
Flop: AT5 rainbow
I checked, MP checked, button bet 30, I flat call, MP called with a
speech "
I'd just call".
Turn: 4, two hearts on the board now
I thought immediately, I could be against str8 already, especially with
the speech MP made. However, i... 阅读全帖 |
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h******g
发帖数: 100 | 2 I took about 5 mins to analyze the hand and made the call, he turned over
67s for a busted straight draw.
It was one of those calls that I don't make very often especially against
ABC players. But against him I know he can make such move with air. The K on
the river actually helped me in making the call since I don't think he is
capable of making a value allin bet w/ hands like A9, TT, etc which more
than likely he would bet about half the pot. On the other hand, he would
likely to push me out o... 阅读全帖 |
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 3 Agree!! On the other hand, ladies have similar (or sometimes more) ego/tilt
as gents.
The noon session I played today confirmed that as well. There's a white
lady (a reg) in mid 50's I guess, who likes talking cute. She's running
short stakes and lost an allin to me in the first hand. After that, she
seemed to pick up on me for some reason. I guess mostly because I never
responded to her inquiries or anything. She then went allin twice with me
on marginal hands (AT against AQ and 99 again... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 4 Because in Omaha, a hand can never dominate another hand by too much. Even
258J rainbow still has 30%
chance against AAKK double suited.
Because of this, Omaha cannot be no limit. Otherwise a rich, drunk donk can
screw up the whole game by pushing allin on many hands. The game will become
a preflop allin chicken game since, whatever you have, you will rarely be
in huge trouble preflop. There will be no much skill needed. |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 5
tourney.
using
That is fine. Even if Villain calls, the result wont be worse than as if it
was preflop allin.
I use it only against bad players. 7BBs are a lot. It is very tough for them
to call a pot-sized bet with Ace high or king high. A stop and go might
fold their small pairs if there are two or more overcards in the flop.
You use stop and go when you got a weak hand that needs to hit the flop --
and you miss the flop in 2/3 cases. You dont need to stop and go if you got
a big pair -- just... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 6 Thanks a lot for the comments. The reg has QJ. The reason I called the 420
shovel was the reg took so long to call my initial 200. After he pushed
allin, I put him on QJ top two pairs. In that case my only hope was to catch
another 7, which is a two-outer. For 500 more, even though the pot is
already 1700, I think I made a good fold.
Was I out thinking too much on the reg? Hindsight I probably should fold on
the 420 raise since most likely the reg took long to get the crazy to push
allin. He tol... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 7 2/3/5NL game action table, Hero limps in at button with Td4d for 20 with 5
other guys. Flop Ad5d4c. SB with about 500 bets 45, UTG allin with 200,
cutoff-1 allin 350, cutoff(chip leader with 2500) calls. Action to hero with
about 600 chips. Do you shove or fold? |
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c***t
发帖数: 163 | 8 可不可以加个rebuy option? 大家allin allin 也可以多打会儿啊。 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 9 I was following the main event final tables yesterday, and got stunned by
how bad these finalists are. I dont want to be too arrogant but I have to
say that half of them do not know how to play short-stacked final tables.
Hand 1:
X raised to 2BBs from MP. Y 3-bet to 4.5 BBs from button. X called. heads up
. X got 53 BBs stack. Y got him covered.
Flop 689 rainbow. check check. Pot: 10BBs.
Turn: J. Board is 689J now. X fired 5BBs. Y called.
River: 5. Board is 689J5 now. No flush possible. X tanked... 阅读全帖 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 10 用在poker上也一样
别人check我bed,别人bet我raise,别人raise我allin,别人allin我fold |
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L**o
发帖数: 353 | 11 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 灌水一篇 live 1/2，一个打牌以来最大的pot,之前参与过的少有超400的。
桌上来了一个不会打牌的白人老头，一上来买入300，看起来挺职业的，但一开始打牌
就不是那么回事儿。用Q9s在KT5r的flop上call allin $150；但老头很快成了一个大赢
家，用T5s在SB接了UTG$21的raises,在K53r的flop上先打20，再call UTG allin 160,
UTG show AA, 然而turn 4, river 7。感觉老头都没有意识到自己成了顺子，不过他总
是亮牌，各种匪夷所思的奇葩牌，他亮T5s，全桌惊呼，也可以说是欢呼。除了输给他
钱的人，其他人看到老头赢钱都很开心，早晚是自己的。大家都把目标对准了他，老头
很快弄到了七八百，这中间我一直没牌，机会终于来了。
straddle,我在UTG+1拿到JsJd,筹码320,open 12, UTG+2 一个白人小孩感觉打的挺弱的
，但进锅不多，rebuy 100以后搞到280， call; 接下来奇迹上演了，紧挨着的两人
call,然后老头搞到32，两人call,两人fold,然后从UTG开始大家全call,8人... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 12 re－post得非常生动 赞一个 让哥忍不住也来造楼
偶觉得在这手牌之前的历史和彼此的image包括tabledynamic对这手牌的走向非常重要。
在没什么特别的情况下，也就是说abc的打法的话，非常赞同前面几位的说法，turn上
是个raise，且in most cases，打不到allin，如果对手不是太鱼。
但是楼主哥们儿在有位置的情况下turn上又是一个call，这不是slowplay还是甚？
slow play的目的就是为了让对手有机会improve自己的牌，让hero在后几条街获得更大
的价值，伴随而来的，就是哥们儿也要take some risk，象这手牌，万一river paired
board，且对手仍然show big aggression，那就要depends了。
回过头，说这手牌，楼主turn上的call，实际上是under rep自己的strength，使得
river的overbet－in－position显得极端polarised，换种说法就是一点都不make
sense（当然9不是一张perfect的牌，hero可能由one card flush dr... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 13 他已经说了。CL是blind raise的。但是即使这样，JT应该还是落后于随机两张牌的
range的。
他说了ante是0.5bb。所以allin的话pot没有12.5bb.只有11.5bb。
4.5/11.5=40%. ICM的chip value算1.1吧。那么需要44%的ODDS。
这应该是一个close decision。Allin or fold都可以。
这个CL既然是个blind raise的人，应该比较donky喜欢搞人。
他坐在右手害别人是好事。所以我大概倾向于fold。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 14 I would call on turn,check and call big on river, reraise if opponent bet
not too big on river.
There are many hands with which opponent would bet like this, pure
bluff, straight draw with bluff, (like 5,6 is two way straight draw), two
pairs and even top pair.If you fold a set, then any time opponent bet big
you would fold.
It's like if you have pocket KK, and you would fold if opponent allin
preflop? Your encountering AA once doesn't mean your calling allin preflop
is wrong. |
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b***k
发帖数: 622 | 15 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问两手牌 同一个live tournament, level 2 50/100
第一手：
我在big blind, 手里大概5700筹码，手持一对黑Q
UTG call 100, MP1 call 100, small blind call 50, everybody else fold, the
stacks are close to mine.
I raise to 400, UTG call, MP1 call, small blind fold,
flop 2c 5d 6d, I bet 1000(bet这么多对不对？)，both called
turn 4h, I bet 1700(I was afraid they made the straight, but i would rather
put him on the diamonds draw，is it right?)，UTG fold，MP1 call
river 7h, I bet 600, I really thought they might have straight, and MP1 call
, show 7d ... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 16 我看到的，有三种类型的老中。
其实老中在老外眼里的形象，是超级aggressive。这一类老中多是ABC，加上韩国，越
南人。老外眼里分不清中国或韩国，他们就叫Asian.（老外眼里）Asian的风格是拿了
flush draw(或open ended STR draw)就当nuts allin。有时候拿个小对或A high也能
allin。大部分时候我一上台就被老外当这种Asian调侃。总之老外眼里所有Asian都是
这么打的。
还有一种是中规中矩，知道什么该bet，什么该raise什么该fold。T&G，参与pot比较少
。这一类通常是留学的。他们讲起英语来也挺流利，但是互相之间都是讲中文。
这一类人要想成为长期winner也挺难。因为他们很少打超出自己牌力的牌。
第三类是只能看到自己的牌。就是weak tight。只有自己有好牌才敢进锅，别人一看就
知道他拿到好牌。这类人只能讲一两句蹩脚英语。自己之间讲福州话或带福州口音国语。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 17 我的意思是如果Villan认为hero是bluff，他call就行了。为什么要allin？
是要以bluff对bluff？如果Villan拿KQ或更小的牌，allin明显就是overplay。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论几手牌 3Bet pot is way different, especially Blinds 3Bet against Btn's raise, (Btn
3Bet against loose utg's raise).
1. 3Bet pot is sort of shallow, it will take half pot, half pot, half pot to
go allin.
you have to raise in some point to go allin from single raise pot, or you
could say you need 4th street to get all chips in.
2. Blinds 3Bet with all kinds of crap, and usually they will continuation
bet. Because blinds' hand range is wild, and CB so wild, it is very hard to
read their hands.
However, we... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 19 JJ is the strong part of our value hands. If we 4bet, we have to get it
allin preflop. The problem is that JJ is underdog when it gets allin, since
villain will fold AQ, TT, 99, 88.
If I do want to 4bet, I will 4bet with deep polarized range, such as AA, KK,
AK, 9Ts, A4s.... JJ is not in that range. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 20 it is 100BB effective. If I bet the turn, I virtually allin against him. He
will only go allin with stronger hands on the turn against me, that is why I
check the turn.
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 21 1这点可以信一半。推筹码出来然后恶狠狠地看着你的，肯定比不推的牌弱。但是不推
筹码的也可能是咋呼。我自己就经常故作轻松地把那个allin的牌子拿起来轻飘飘地往
里一扔。做云淡风轻状。但是心里拼命喊please fold please。
我个人觉得最靠谱的tell是：敌人想了好久。数了半天筹码。比划了几下。叹了口气。
然后allin。这尼玛从来都不是咋呼。
唬。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 22 prevailing bet size在postflop的运用是个range。
1.One pair range。比如在养鱼塘大多数牌手one pair牌力bet5块就是顶点。超过这条
线意味着bettor two pair以上牌力的可能大大增加。通常牌力很强的的牌手bet5块后
下一
轮就bet10块。这个10块就是很明显的two pair以上标记。有些agressive的牌手可以用
one pair bet 很大size。遇到这种人我把他单独记下，按他情况另外设range。这种人
要不就是水平很高，要不就是水平很低。不过水平很高的不会来这个level玩。
2.allin。这个基本上代表nuts。有些人不是nuts也会allin的，我也把他单独记下。同
样他也可能水平很低。水平很高的不会来这个level。
上面两条线就可以分出3个range。
holdem manager：
这个我要考虑一下。
养鱼塘这个不太好用。
而且holdem manager对打多台用处大。我一直打单台，还经常去打live。用了那个怕影
响自己的观察习惯。
不过如果我升级会考虑用它。
popokaka 比我水平... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****g
发帖数: 3029 | 23 Online 的 bad beat 比 live 多
我统计过我的aa,kk preflop allin和cooler
非常sick,概率不一般的高
网站做过手脚
我的aa preflop allin had 100 hands
winning rate is 40%
sick?
人。 |
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m*****g
发帖数: 3029 | 24 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 运气很重要 今天一个家伙bluff c-bet after flop
我flush draw, allin
结果另一个家伙set也allin
幸好我拿到了
运气很重要啊 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 25 因为全桌都打的很紧。
UTG raise，BTN 3bet，SB call，我在BB 拿KK 4bet，UTG fold,BTN allin,SB
fold.我想了半天，BTN拿AK或QQ allin的可能太小。所以fold。 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 26 只有allin了才能算EV，多打一阵积累个数千手allin再看看 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 27 我认为fold是+ev的。因为有nuts才allin的远远比用allin bluff的多。所以你call 10
次，撞板大概能有8次到9次。
因为第一他不知道对方牌怎么样，也许人家也是nuts。第二即使人家不是nuts，他不
能确定人家是不是会fold second nuts。楼上说这牌你绝对不应该fold。好，如果对手
也这么认为，那他bluff的理由在哪里？
第3，他喜欢搞这套的话，很容易被别人exploit。其实看穿他并不需要他showdown，类
似的情况多出现一两次，别人就会怀疑他。
我也经常遇到这种扮nuts来bluff别人强牌的。基本上都是来打几把就走，在台上留长
点时间就被别人清了。
所以这个打法偶尔用一次算高招。多用几次就是鱼。
你也不可能不被bluff。
我对付这种打法就是开始2,3次让他。
再来就call。同时慢打强牌。 |
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 28 1) PREFLOP ALLIN > CALL >>>>>>>> FOLD
2) bad spot for you, it is possible that you are ahead of BB or you may get
him to fold a better hand, but the risk/reward ratio is just not on your
side considering you are very likely only contesting the side pot here.
Again, this reinforces the idea that ALLIN > CALL. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 29 Hand1:
Check raise usually means 2 pair+.
So if he allin, I would call.
If he check raise allin,I would fold. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 30 D神的感悟迟迟不见真家伙。
我来谈点我的感悟。
第1点：
下注量对应牌力。
这点在cash game中尤其明显。cash game的下注层次感非常强。有多大牌力，下多大注
。下注超过你自己牌力，本来可以被你赢的，被你吓跑了。敢call你的，基本上是比你
的牌大。打live的，掌握这一点，就足以成为长期winner。
我把下注量分为两大分界。第一分界是一对和两对以上牌力的分界。在live，基本上下
注到40BB，就表明具有两对以上的牌力。online 20BB是分界。但是这个并不是定死的
。每个site每个赌场都有差别。第一分界每个地方都存在。只不过各处的下注大小有差
别。第2个分界就是nuts，这个基本上对应allin。
我们看如果一个牌手拿到TPTK就3条街打光，一个有层次感的对手在发现对手下注超过
第一分界，自己没有两对以上就fold，有两对以上就跟到底。最后的结果是这个对手会
赢很多。
并不是所有牌手打牌都有层次。有些鱼是没有层次的。他们自己打牌没有层次，对手打
的牌他们不懂得按分界的道理去判断对手。如果碰到这样的对手，就要把他们区分开。
对他们的下注就不能按两个分界判断。要按个... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 31 你这个标准答案不能说错，但是太笼统了。
人家问为什么live open比online高那么多，你回答因为那样能取得最佳效果。
假设online open比 live open高很多，人家问为什么，你也可以回答那样能取得最佳
效果。
但是实际上人家想知道的是为什么live比online高很多，而不是online比live高很多。
为什么是高那么多，而不是更高或更低，
这个你并没有回答。
open size还有一个原则，叫千篇一律原则。
open 的size是对平均牌力来说，是最佳效果，但是对每一手牌来说经常不是最佳效果
。拿33可能希望open 3，拿AA则希望越大越好，最好是allin。但是你open大了，就暴
露了自己的牌力，别人就会警惕。所以不管你拿AA还是33，都一样size open。这就叫
千篇一律。
至于你说的如果别人愿意call，你可以allin，这个已经不属于我们这里讨论的open。
我们讨论的，是一种固定的open，就是你每次都这么open，不管是一千手，还是一万手
还是一百万手。
如果你只open一次，那其实不是我们讨论的那种open。 |
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b***k
发帖数: 622 | 32 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问一手牌 你手里一共还有360左右吗？
我的意见是re-raise to 220左右，如果他们不是fish，只能再allin or fold，然后再
评估是否call allin |
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 33 这个我不建议新手这么打，要看对手的牌力和做到pot control。你在flop re-raise对
手的强牌会被直接推all in的，我遇到过几次，有输有赢。所以不建议新手这么搞，见
了flop以后就变成推推乐了。
3 flop monster draws
假设你flop了flush draw+straight draw 有12-15个outs out of position 就check
raise allin (raise size一定要大）in position 就大raise 这种monster draw的优
点是你的equity超高 大过很多made hands 缺点是随着turn card一出equity会急剧下
降 所以要在flop上打的非常aggressive 不怕flop allin
推荐指数 五颗星 |
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H*T
发帖数: 43 | 34 多谢支持！还有版务发的伪币。
经常去foxwoods的人都知道，周末的人是最多的,四五十桌都不稀奇。而最流行的就是
No Limit Texas Holdem，简称NLH。NLH里最多的是1/2NL，一般都会有十桌以上；其次
2/5NL，一般都会来有三四桌，多时会有十桌。5/10NL也有，但一般最多只有一桌，今
年第三次去，看到有两桌的。
之前提到过，从2013年开始，我都是打2/5。一般我都是带4个Buy in (4x500=$2000)。
四年多来，最差的一次记录是亏了近两个Buyin。根据我的打法，四个Buyin应该够用了。
先讲第二次去的经历。
我是星期天上午到，星期二下午走的。
星期天从上午十一点，一直打到凌晨两点半，中间包括吃饭休息。因为我一直遵循既定
的策略，刚开始几个小时基本上chip stack没有大的变动。
有几手牌值得提一下。
第一手是我的bluff。我在LP拿到KQhh，raise to 20。一个middle aged Asian guy
limped and called。Flop 9xx rag, he donk bet flop I called. Tu... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****s
发帖数: 12833 | 35 神医都是一边喊着没利润啊没马金啊然后一边默默的allin
allin完了再出来Bso一下在众人的pai声中兴奋地去list
pai |
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k******t
发帖数: 257 | 36 1/2 NL with 300 max buyin could win a lot. Not unusual to see guys with a
couple ks on table.
I won a huge pot in 1/2 in a bizarre hard, Got KhQh early position limped
and called a 15 raise from late position. floped 962 all hearts, SB bet out
and got flat called by 3 spots. turn a black 7, SB kept betting out, with 2
other callers it's not time to fool around, i raised only get reraised allin
by oringal raiser. Button and small blind both called! Everyone allin in
turn, raiser got 99 and botton |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 37 That allin is ok to me. Since there was nobody to reraise big before .
If somebody reraise me from $30 to $90, I would only dare to call, not allin. |
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p*t
发帖数: 275 | 38 AA preflop re-raise你可能性较大，所以66，77更可能。但他只有100了，你call了
turn上也没法得到更多信息（他肯定allin），所以只能fold或allin了。他拿到set的
话，slowplay你的可能性比较大。现在更可能是flush draw or Ax. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 39 His weakest possible hand could be AQ.
If he had KK he could reraise you preflop.
If one is too aggressive, he could allin with AQ, but for a normal guy, allin
is an overplay.
More likely he had a full house( two pairs when he reraised you). |
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p*t
发帖数: 275 | 40 yeah, that allin sucks big time. who ever calls him almost has him beat for
sure.
are you playing at live casino? envy you!
do you always buy in 120 bucks for 1/2 game? sounds a little low to me but
that may be good for allin push.
,
frustrated
, |
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p*t
发帖数: 275 | 41 1. 3 guys or 4 guys? 3?
2. you're on small blind, how can someone check raise your bet? he just
raised, right?
I don't think anyone else would call here. Since I can't extract more money
from other guys, I'll just reraise him allin and gamble. After all, only 9
diamonds out there. If you don't raise now, you won't get anything on the
river, unless he's on something else, in which case, allin now is correct
too.
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 42 If he call, the guy would bet on river for sure.If the guy bet $45, then
raise to $100, he has to call.
If he allin, the guy could call or fold.I guess 40% chance the guy would
call.
If the guy was bluffing, then allin would get nothing from him, but call and check on river would catch him.
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 43 For your case allin was better, since the pot was big enough.
If the guy didn't lose his mind, he should know you have at least one A, and
the odds to hit fullhouse was only 8%.
For the case here, the pot on turn was only $50, I would sure fold with a
set if someone allin, and let him take my $22.
to
300 for me too)!
well. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 44 Tournament 有servive的考虑.
比如你60% odds,allin,cash game10次赢六次还有赚.
Tournament的话你就很可能两次就出局了.
两家allin,必有一个淘汰.就算你牌好,也未必不会中bad beat.所以是能不拼,尽量不拼
,避免对抗.
正因为一直打那个,缺少对抗训练,缺少感觉. |
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p*t
发帖数: 275 | 45 嗯。开始就allin不是好的策略，不明白怎么总有人这么干。如果别人fold了，也就赢
个blinds而已，即使能double up，就像你说的，也不一定能有多大价值。到了中段，
blinds涨到有点难受但还没让人allin的地步时，是不是应该开始aggressive？然后到
钱圈附近再谨慎。。
你玩online的吧？10人单桌会不会有作弊嫌疑？那种一边一个的min raise。。。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 46 If I were that guy, what I would expect you(melonli )to have?
You reraised pot limit preflop, and bet $84 on flop.I would expect you to at
least beat JJ( you were not afraid someone hit pair J on flop), so you
could have JJ,QQ,KK,AA.He went allin, at least he should be able to beat JJ
.Since you had QQ, he was likely to beat QQ too.
I would guess small chance he had AJ, more likely above QQ.
It still depends on player.
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 47 there are slow players all around, checking the flop with trips is normal.
If the allin bet was made by good players, it's certainly a good idea to
fold cause they like to charge non-nuts with nuts and it's a typical
situation if you go allin with 99, you still may get called by J.
the
flushes
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 48 所以你希望能从他们这种错误中最大程度获利。很多时候, raise preflop extremely
big是最大程度获利的办法。如果你知道对手会call, 甚至allin with AA or KK
也不是不可以。对于KK, 在late position, 100 bb以下的allin在数学上也是正确的，
即使对手只在有AA的时候call. huge prelop raise的一个好处就是你等于
把牌摊开，对手也还是无法获利。
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 49 It's a mistake to calculate based on chips.
Chips are not money.No matter how much chips you make, if you can't get to
money zone, all the chips are useless and you get zero money.
It is not like cash game.
You allin 10 times in cash game, with 60% probability, you win 6 and lose 4,
and net two wins, making good money
You allin 10 times in tournament, one loss( not to say 4 losses) will kick
you out of the game, and if that loss is before you enter money zone, you
make nothing but lose your buy |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 50 It doesn't mean he would call your allin.
He would read your action and his action depends on your action.
He would bluff when you show weakness and fold when you show strength.
This is typical in an online heads-up game.
But I believe to play this game, the player should be much better than his
opponent, or he will lose easily.
If I am the opponent , I will just check when I get good cards,to induce him
to bluff. I will also allin whenever he raises. |
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