f********d
发帖数: 796 | 1 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 2 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 3 抓bluff是个比较头痛的问题。 我的两手牌共参考。
1. Stack 50bb vs 50bb.
I had AA at button. Everyone folded to me. I opened raise 3bb. SB folded,BB
raised to 9bb and I flat called. Flop 934 rainbow, BB bet 12bb and I called.
Turn 2, no flush draw, BB checked and I pushed 28BB. He called. He showed
96o. River 5. I was bad beat by his straight.
2. Stack 50bb vs 50 bb vs 50bb
I was UTG with QQ and opened 3bb, UTG+1 called,big blinds raised to 9bb. I
and UTG+1 both called. Flop KT2 rainbow, BB bet 13bb, I folded, UTG+1 r |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 4 nice results guys.
bigslick, You can play pretty much all stack size profitably at 2/5. You
just need to know how to play your stack correctly. In fact, I think 20bb
stack might work very well at those tables, but the way you were playing it,
it was way too passive. The main advantage of being a short stack is that
you can push allin preflop with decent hands and take down the pot preflop
or get it HU allin with someone where a lot of dead money is on the table so
you don't need to win nearl... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 5 1 1K 11
2 750 3.3 $7.78
3 1.5K 11
4 1K 11
5 1.5K 3.3+3+3 $28.75
6 3K 11+10+10
1号，UTG+1,TJs 12bb open shove，take down。UTG A7o open shove 14bb into QQ,
knockout
2号，大盲位88 14bb 3bet shove rock 2.1x open + a flatter，take down。换桌，
第一把，UTG 16bb open shove with A9o，被两家AJo call到，suckout！紧接着第二
把，AKo，接了16bb 和8bb的两连推，hold！wow！card dead + busy with other
tables ＝ auto ITM，呵呵。hero 大盲位，55 10bb stack call EP 5bb shove>A9s。
UTG+1 TJo 13bb shove，take down。换桌，UTG 33，15bb，看到大小盲均... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 6 fcf 老大，我一般 buy-in 2/5 会在 40 bb - 50 bb 左右。 同样的筹码 1/2 就在
100bb。
40bb-50bb 似乎在我的 comfort zone， 我起手牌敢看一些 KQs，AJ 之类的牌，人多
一些的话会玩一些中等的 suited connector。
我一般不会打 30bb 左右的 short-stack。那天你看到我玩 70 快左右，是已经给打下
来的钱。因为觉得运气不好，没有 re-buy。short-stack 我缺乏耐心和时机的把握，
有一个 top pair 就 all-in。
2/5 full buyin 对我来说太大了。
请问什么样的 stack size 比较适合 2/5？ 对于 40-50bb 来说，怎么样的打法为最佳
？ 想听听您的建议。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 happens everyday.
yesterday 2 hands:
1) EP 3.5x, MP over shoves 100BB, SB snap calls 50BB.
EP folds, MP shows AA, SB turns over 68s.
board: 9Tx7x
(plus, i fold 77, oh yeah).
2) UTG 4x (he's a very TAG guy), MP calls, i fold AJs as respect to UTG, BB
directly shoves 120BB! UTG folds, MP is kind of short with 50BB, tanks and
finally calls.
BB, 66, MP, 99
board: AJQxx
66 don't suck out but it shows how brave they are, lol. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 you can have more bb/100 hand live than on-line only if you have more edge,
no matter it is reading live tells or better understanding of the game. It
is the same game with 54 cards, where you are dealt AA 1 out of 220 times.
So if someone can really win 50bb/100 hand live 5/10 game. It is either 1)
he is god. 2) the rest of players suck really really bad.
As for deep stack, it does increase your win rate a little, but how often do
you really put in all of your stack? I suppose mostly will be i... 阅读全帖 |
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g*******s
发帖数: 2828 | 9 family game. 8 handed. we had played a while and there were some big stacks
on the table, and action is pretty loose pre-flop. Villain is relatively
new to poker and does not like to fold premium hands easily. in a previous
session, i flopped a set against her AA and check raised her on turn and put
her all in on river for 200BB. She folded on the river after tanking for 5
minutes, thought i bluffed her, got tilted and lost 300BB the very next hand
with 1010 over calling a shove.
Villain UTG ra... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 Yeah. I also notice what causes the biggest problem here is the preflop re-
raise size. It works sometimes, but does not mean it is good play. In this
peticular hand, if there is no cold-caller, I will not 3Bet so big. However,
if I 3bet so big, and get called, there is no good option for me.
I agree everything what you have said.
When one shorter stacker( 60BB or 50BB effective) opens from early position
and get called by one cold caller, flating with AK/TT,JJ should be the best
option. Just pl... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 11 这是一个开放的话题
打多了的朋友一定会遇到
持续时间长的比如一段时间的上风期和下风期
持续时间短的比如一个session或者一场比赛中的play a rush或者怎么打怎么输
上周就遇到一妹子，loose passive的风格，一晚上一直击中，基本上一直是前两条街
跟着，river突然的lead out或者raise。因为比较熟，哥就跟她开玩笑，并且帮她记着
击中Monster的次数，6小时左右的session，结束时literally击中三十多次！
同样的，哥也小吐槽一下自己的经历，也是上周一个session，碰到unknown大叔，哥先
是庄位用77 4bb steal 大叔straddle，然后被大叔反shove 35bb，接，输给了ATo。然
后又对上这位大叔，
hero 110bb stack at sb with AJo
UTG open 7.5bb，EP 大叔（cover hero） flat call，1 more caller，hero raise
to 30bb，all fold except 大叔
flop T73r，hero cbet 45bb，大叔shove
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 12 这是一个开放的话题
打多了的朋友一定会遇到
持续时间长的比如一段时间的上风期和下风期
持续时间短的比如一个session或者一场比赛中的play a rush或者怎么打怎么输
上周就遇到一妹子，loose passive的风格，一晚上一直击中，基本上一直是前两条街
跟着，river突然的lead out或者raise。因为比较熟，哥就跟她开玩笑，并且帮她记着
击中Monster的次数，6小时左右的session，结束时literally击中三十多次！
同样的，哥也小吐槽一下自己的经历，也是上周一个session，碰到unknown大叔，哥先
是庄位用77 4bb steal 大叔straddle，然后被大叔反shove 35bb，接，输给了ATo。然
后又对上这位大叔，
hero 110bb stack at sb with AJo
UTG open 7.5bb，EP 大叔（cover hero） flat call，1 more caller，hero raise
to 30bb，all fold except 大叔
flop T73r，hero cbet 45bb，大叔shove
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 13 第二次去打现场，第一次是刚学打牌第一个月（输的惨）。这次打牌接近一年，再次去
感受了以下。
session时常3小时，成绩是水上100刀（50bb），考虑到大概一小时20手牌，60手牌的
结果吧。
拿到的大牌有QQ两次，JJ一次，AKo两次。没有拿到过AA KK。
桌子上limper非常多，基本上除了我外很少有limper惩罚者。我在后位面对limper在15
-20刀之间试水，几次过后，桌上的反映不是大家变紧，而是有人开始拿大口袋对子
limp。坐我左边的中年白男两次拿着QQ limp。
抽水其实挺高的，桌上只有一个明显的赢家，一个亚洲帽子男（估计是中国人），后面
会讲几手他的牌
打了3个大于100bb的pot。赢了两个输了一次。
牌例1：
hero is at CO with Ah9h, 3limper，hero open 15。 utg中年白男 calls。 heads
up。
flop is 7dJdJx. utg check, hero check.
turn is 7x, utg bet 20. hero call.
river is 6x, utg b... 阅读全帖 |
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l*i
发帖数: 5732 | 14 搞清楚鸟， $50BB和$25是一个offer, sign up 一次就都有了
25 |
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l*****n
发帖数: 5200 | 15 看小二的，我第一次去买，是每单1张visa，2张amazon，第一张卡是我的，小二看了id
，后面的卡都是ld或者别人的，小二都没看，买了6单，没好意思多买。
第二次去，就只肯给我5张，我用别人的卡也不给，后来我打开网银让他看附属卡名字
，才勉强给买了。
第三次，另一家店，小二不会操作，无法一单多张visa，于是就一张visa，一张50bb
gc，最后用bb gc买的visa。后面的卡也不是我的。
visa gc在里面，要小二拿。
只要已经sync了，就可以买，没有sync肯定就没戏了。
所有的25都已经到账，并且bb reward也到了，还一不留神成了Premier Silver。这些
都算添头？ |
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v********c
发帖数: 953 | 16 恩，老余v5，我撸了3把。分别是$100 Walmart gc, 2x $50bb gc and gas card |
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t**c
发帖数: 7480 | 17 没啥吸引人的
50bb gc / 800 plenti points, 准备顺道买俩，月底可能要用。
如果能用plenti points 付账拿 800 points就更好了。 |
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g******g
发帖数: 1664 | 18 在BB网上
可以用50BB GC买50 BB GC? |
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z*****g
发帖数: 85 | 19 He just called me in the break about 1 hr ago: he has about 150K in chips,
and blind is 1500-3000. so he has about 50BB. 60 people to be in the money.
I think that he has 95% chance in the money if no crazy thing happens. His
last name is Huang （黄） |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 stack size, position很重要(读harrington的cash games有感)。
AA，KK这种牌在short stack (say, ~50bb)时威力无穷，因为：
1)you want to get all your chips in pre-flop or on flop，而pre-flop和flop正
是big pairs的最强点；
2) short stack vs. big stacks(简化说2个吧)，实际上是两个games，一个是short
vs. short vs. short，一个是big stack vs. big stack的side game。对于short
stack(cash game only, tourney is quite diff.)，big stack多余出来的chips对
short stack是没有意义的，所以极大打击了big stack继续draw出implied odds的动机。
3)在相对都big stacks的情况下，位置就起很大作用，harrington举了一个为什么35o
对AA都值得一斗的例子，在位置合适的 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 TPTK or premium pairs fit best for a short stack strategy (<50BB), or a
short game (no more than turn), or a short field (only one known opponent)
most of time. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 if u buy in short, you'll play huge PP, AK/AQ alike big, it could be very
profitable if you have good descipline.
limp/weak call, then you should buy in higher.
50BB is not too small, here at AC, for 1/2NL, $60 you can play. |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 23 If either you or the opponent is short(say 30~50BB), it is hard to stop.
The tough situation is both players are deep (say 150BB or above). How far
you want to go with your AA? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 allin. I allin a lot on cash game. button raises, I 3bet raise with 57o,
button ships, if I have around 50bb or less, i call. button shows a4o.
Surely, this completely depends on the player. If I 3bet UTG raiser, I will
fold aqs on that spot.
I win the flip. |
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l***q
发帖数: 62 | 25 以我的经验看，每次50BB buyin的话，在一个6-8小时的session里面需要动用4个及以
上buyin的次数超过25%。大概在30%到40%左右。我至少有100次连续记录的live
sessions，我的风格算是相对TAG，你如果比我loose，那么动用4个以及以上buyin的概
率可能要更高。
我现在去live，没有10个buyin一般是不会动身的，最低最低的底线也要8个buyin。如
果只有4个buyin，的确在70%左右的时间是可以挺过去的，但是输了3个buyin的时候我
一定会畏首畏尾，或者胡乱ontilt。我给自己下了死命令，决不允许去赌场的ATM，所
以10个buyin还是有必要的。我目前只有1次，在4个小时内输了10个buyin中的9个，于
是提前离开了赌场。其他时间都是按照既定时间离开赌场，没有因为输光钱而离开的。
更讽刺的是，唯一输了9 buyin的那次，是我认为对手相对较弱的桌子，我本来打算要
大赚一笔。没办法，正态分布和standard deviation就这样，我赶上了1%的可能而已。
对于长时间打牌的同志，其实不需要你技术多高，最重要的是计划和纪律。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 i'm not 牛人 but did fold one recently in an MTT which i finished 2nd after
deal.
there were like 30 ppl left, 800/1600, i had 80K chips and was 4th.
i raised 3x to 4800 with AsKs from UTG+1, cutoff guy shoved 30K... i took a
few seconds and folded.
1) with 50BB (47BB after folding), it's still very deep, and i had no reason
to gamble with a drawing hand (yes, AK is a drawing hand) for almost half
of my stack;
2) i played pretty tight during the game, and had been at this table for a
while, everyo |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 30bb in touney is plenty as deep stack. for cash game maybe it is short.
When Cada and Sauot went all in with two pocket pairs, Cada had more than
50bb iirc. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 both get pissed off.
Durrr even can not buyin full.
only buyin 50BB on deep table.
Durrrr has 680k winning before playing against isil, in the end, durrr loses all his winning. |
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l******n
发帖数: 641 | 29 how many BB is the min buy-in?
if 50, still playable.
if 20, u are dead meat.
unless u checkout each time u pass 50bb.
下. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 30 hero (100BB stack) at button, fold to hero (9c8c), raise 3BB
SB fold, BB (200 BB) 3bet to 10bb, hero call
flop, Q92 rainbow, pot 21BB bah
BB bet 14BB, I called (what will you do here?)
turn 8 , pot about 50BB, possible flush heart flush draw
BB bet 30BB, what do you do? what could BB have? |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 31 how large is your 4-bet? There were probably 3.5 + 20 BB in the pot when you
4-bet. Did you bet like 50BB? |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 32 NL100 Rush poker
昨晚9Ts是我的幸运牌， 赢了一次AK， 一次KK
1. Stack 80BB, I was UTG 9dTd bet 3bb, MP 3bet to 10BB, I called. Heads up. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
2. Stack 100BB, I was UTG 9dTd bet 3bb, UTG+1 raised to 8bb, I called. Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with his rest 50BB |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 33 总结：
UTG+1 3Bet 80%应该是AA/KK， middle position 3Bet range AA/KK/AK/QQ.
把握好了对手的range， 能够不用nuts就能搞死他们。
. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked
, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn
Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with
his rest 50BB, river blank. UTG+1 showed KcKs. |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 34 good play. calling down 3 bet out of position sometimes can be profitable.
. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked
, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn
Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with
his rest 50BB, river blank. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 35 For the first hand, were you before or after him?
. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked
, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn
Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with
his rest 50BB, river blank. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 36 me sb with AA , everyone folds, I raise to 3BB, BB calls
flop 8sTs7h, I bet 4bb, BB raises to 18BB
shall I fold or raise to 50BB? If I do raise, I think I am committed, and
will play whole stack, we both have 100BB
I think he could have set, flopped straight, flopped 2 pairs , but also
could have somthing like pocket 9 (with 9s) or 97,67s, JT,
is folding a better option? |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 37 大多数网站定义50bb为regular stack,不是那么浅。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 50bb 是很short. 3 bet 一个preflop , flop bet 后就已经commit了。 i use to
play 60X. it was too short for me. Now i play rebuy top off anything below 80bb
.
buy in short is easier to play, but not good to sharpen your plays. Deep stack poker is much more difficult. I remember i started play with 40X bb at the beginning. then i increase to 60X bb and was not doing well. Nowadays, I don't feel comfortable when I am shorter than 80 bb. But I don't play anything deeper than 160bb yet.. I don't feel i am |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 小赢一次 my worst experience was in a 5.5, 600 ppl MTT, down to us last 3, even
stacks, and all well over 50BB.
BN over shoved, i got AA at SB, what else could i do? guess he got some PP
or AK/AQ alike, didn't really want a customer...
he turned over J9o and won with a 4 card trash str8 on river, lol.
, |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 40 rake at 50nl hu is about 10bb/100, judge for yourself if you can beat it,
lower stake would have even bigger rake%. Best player (very very best
player, I mean durrrr caliber player, although against very bad player,
someone like me could probably win just as effective as durrrr would be) can
beat very bad opponent for maybe 50bb/100 without considering rake. |
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N********s
发帖数: 44 | 41 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - nl2求教 打了两天发现这个问题了...不过NL25目前从bankroll来讲对我还是太高...以我现在的
br加上耶稣那套理论我想打NL5都只能打40~50BB short stack的. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 42 have no idea how the -50bb/100hands happenes on fullring , and 6max
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Full Tilt, scout315 on PartyPoker and scout326 on PokerStars .
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$25/$50 NLH 18,448 $-816,747 -44.27 $7,297 $2,408 Jun
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 43 -50bb/100 hands is not good 消遣 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 44 fold blind也算输啊，这就是问题。again，SB是从-50bb/100开始的，BB是从-100bb/
100开始
的。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 45 I am unhappy about the result also.
But I rethought about AJ hand later on, I guess I have to double him up.
Preflop, he has around 19BB, I get around 50BB.
I have aj, I have to raise preflop, 2.2BB. I raise, he calls, pot around 4.
5BB. On the J9s4s board, I have to bet 3BB, he has to call 3BB.
pot 10BB, he has 19BB-2.5BB-3BB=13.5BB left. The pot is around 10BB. The
turn is very tricky cards, 8s. (If I check, he will bet for 3BB for sure, I
have to call, then we will go all in the river) (If I |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 for 85BB stack, i'd play either flat or shove.
the problem is, if he calls 35x and flop comes Axx, very tough situations
then with only 50BB left (for a 80BB pot).
even flop comes QJx alike, still, he could hit QQ/JJ.
let alone other common draw heavy flops if he indeed holds AKs or AQs alike.
He |
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发帖数: 3398 | 47 I called him with rest 19BB and he showed 67s. This call was easy since I
only had 19BB left. however, if I had bigger stack like 50BB left, the call
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发帖数: 7793 | 48 poker 门槛太低。。 我玩9个月可以beat 一大堆玩了几年的鱼。 你玩go, chess,
bridge 行吗？假设大家每天花一样时间。。。
一个NL100 的winning regular 和一堆phill ivey, durr, PA 之类的人一桌打牌， 你就打ABC TAG game, 他们对你的edge 肯定没有 职业9 段对业余初段的edge 大。如果打50bb 短筹码，他们可能根本没有edge. 业余初段 对职业9 段， 不管怎样玩都没有一点机会赢
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