h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 1 对了，你们有没有注意到这个hand converter说的是“1 fold, 2 folds”，开始我觉
得奇怪，后来意识到这里fold是名词，呵呵。
fold |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 where is the flop? you folded pre.
I like to see flop with tight players. Although they won't pay off big, the
success rate of bluff is pretty high. The best flop is one high card two low
cards, or some draw heavy texture. I don't like all low cards because they
often have a pocket pair and could call my cbet. Perhaps I need to fire more
on turn/river.. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 4 not this hand. I mean in general it seems profitable to see some flops with
tight players (if heads up), especially in position.
the
low
more |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 Like I said. Can never fold here.. lol...
3 better has similar stats, it is still a 4 bet and get it in.
If he has AA KK, berate him in chat for having a fish size stack. if he has anything less than that, berate him for being a fish~~~
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter
SB ($40.85)
BB ($353.25)
UTG ($84.25)
Hero (UTG+1) ($124.50)
MP1 ($113.25)
MP2 ($135.50)
MP3 ($162.35)
CO ($107.40)
Button ($52.75)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ac, K... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 Another one.
JJ is monster too~~~.. yeah i am good at coin flips~~~
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter
SB ($26.90)
BB ($121.70)
UTG ($51.05)
UTG+1 ($173.90)
Hero (MP1) ($184.25)
MP2 ($56.65)
MP3 ($128.05)
CO ($132.45)
Button ($50.85)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Jc, Jd
2 folds, Hero bets $3, 2 folds, CO calls $3, Button raises to $13.50, 2
folds, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, Button raises to $50.85 (All-In), Hero
calls $26.85
Flop: (... 阅读全帖 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 7 good， 说道3bet
今天有一手
mp1 3x raise， button call， 我在BB 3bet到 13.5bb （JJ）
mp1 4bet到44bb all in， call or fold？
mp1是poonking，我有他1300手数据，应该是个regular，15/12/4.6
fold to 3bet 71%,
shall I fold or call
下,
那"
, |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 8 怎么对付3bet的确是一个很头疼的问题，就像你说的，小-EV还是大-EV的问题。
还有就是能不能讨论一下：
1. OOP 3bet和IP 3bet的主要区别
2. button, SB, BB的3bet/4bet攻防战
下,
那"
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 9 i checked his 4bet range, is 1.2%, so qq+ and AK I guess
I got 2:1 odds to call， butguess still not enough for this range
him |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 10 这哥们小对子都是直接搞到50啊，lol。
更强的牌也是？还是4bet 2.5x之类的？ |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 11 这个牌我只想对CO表示一下同情，preflop raise不小，结果一大堆call的而且没人
3bet，否则他fold或接着4bet的可能性很大，损失会小很多。。
等到了flop，大家当然check到他，他也按江湖规矩bet，可惜牌强了点，几乎bet pot
，接下来不但被min-raise调戏，还一堆call的乃至于allin的，让CO在fold后对人生的
意义产生了严重的怀疑。
folded...I think he would have won the pot~~~ |
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S*********e
发帖数: 865 | 12 全是3bet ，4bet all in，crazy！ |
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S*********e
发帖数: 865 | 13 lots of bluff， a lot of 3bet，4bet all in。
cmis把一个打得去打赛车游戏，一个sitting out。
哈哈，大家都很agg，swing有点大，下次搞小点。0.05/0.1
先贴几张图，参与的可以贴贴关键战斗的hand hisotry。 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 14 so he only 4bets with AA？ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 15 3bet 如果size变大 那被call/4bet的比例就降下来 这样利润就降下来 是不是说 只有
扩大3bet的range 去平衡这个利润 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 16 受教了 谢 各位
btw，黎叔说 3bet ＝＝ reraise, 4bet == rereraise， 3x ＝＝ 3 times as size，
so actually in this case,他3.5bb btn steal，小盲fold，我大盲reraise pot size
（8.5， 不到3x），他call，好像pf pot是 17.5bb， 哎 气昏了 不记得了
btw2，我那个小网站的50nl的风格好像fight不多 3bet rate普遍低 |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 17 hehe.. u'r such a luckbox
i remember 1 match against someone who likes to steal, first hand he donk
bet/3bet/fold to my 4bet on flop 772ss (2 spades), I had AQss
then few hands later, he limp his btn, flop was K high with 3 spades, then
turn was a blank, I donk pot, he calls, river another blank, I have nothing
and he can't really have a strong hand here ever, so I donk 2x pot and he
folds
then 2 hands later, he min raise and I call, flop J 7 2, check check, turn 2
, check check, river 8, I had ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 18 补充一下，别的网站不知道，我现在玩的小网站10NL,95% ppl 3bet rate < 5%, 造成
出现pf 3bet 4bet的fight非常少，我所见到的凡是3bet>10%的都是huge loser。由此
想到，要想更有效率的获利，不应该有个固化的strategy，而是要针对对手的数据来玩
阿。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 19 yeah, I checked my Holdem mananger, I almost never play any all in pot
with him although we play so many hands at same table. Guess he tried to
avoid me since he thinks I am a super nit. :)
I caught a sick good run in Electro, up almost 20 buyin in 3 days. My
stat is super nitty(11/8) , but when I 3bet/4bet, lots of reg still keep
shoving on my AA/KK with AK, QQ. Really do not think all reg pay attention
to these stats.
I
many |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 20 Do not know.
I guess his line is a little over done.
1. you probably do not have AT(the nuts), because he have 2 Ace.
2. You maybe do not have set, because ppl will 4bet with KK, JJ, QQ.
3. If above is true, you most likely have a pair with a draw(such as TT, AK,
AQ, TJs, which he beats this scenario), or 2 pair(in this case, he have
enough outers)
If you are under the gun raiser, he should fold his hand on this flop, because of the sets possibility. However, you are LP raiser, I guess you are m... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 21 不用考虑那么多，正常的fish
昨天在NL50还看到QQ min 4bet被JJ call以后, 在KJx rainbow check/call两条街all
in的
鱼。
fish never ever fold QQ+ even JJ+ on any board
with
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his |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 22 朋友 你的数据能晒一下么 输赢倒是其次 我很好奇你的vpip pfr af 以及 cbet rate
还有 3bet 4bet的数据 |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 23 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请教一手牌 昨天在一个1/2 NL的桌子上， 刚上桌不久， 桌子就是个1/2 NL正常桌子， 比较紧，
我有240， 拿9cKc 在后卫raise 10， 只有button call， 他有400多， 他打得不差也
不坏， 后面看到他用JJ 3bet UTG， UTG 4bet All-in, 竟然call。
flop 3c7c8c, 我check， 他bet 20， 我call， turn Ks， 我bet 30, 他raise to 70，
我怎么办比较好？ |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 24 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论一手牌 第一 cbet 在这种flop上30就够了， 这样更加容易control pot
第二， 你的flop 4bet 160太少了， 我会re-raise到240
第三， turn我会lead out 1/2-2/3 pot
还有一种办法就是flop就check， call到river来control pot， 这个flop基本没有
draw了
现在这种局面只能根据你对他的read来判断是否call。 用500去赢1100， 我可能会
call。
blind. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 25 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论一手牌 Feel both sides play over pair as nuts. Pot control is not here and both
sides should go all in pre-flop rather than wasting post-flop bet/3bet/4bet.
None is willing to fold or control. Just go all in pre-flop and make things
easier.
blind. |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 26 不要总是call， 要raise 或者fold。
第一手， preflop 你可以reraise， tight old guy most likely would 4bet
or all-in, then you fold.
Second hand, you can raise on the pre-flop too. but if you just call pre-
flop, you could raise on flop or fold on the flop. Don't call with this flop.
从这两手看不出来你是紧手。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 27 不太同意啊，老大爷有tell，他几次4bet都是sense了weakness
不过pius自己也有tell，the gum |
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l*********m
发帖数: 26 | 28 When he had 4:1 chip lead, he should have done 3/4bets a lot preflop.
Sometime even push with relative strong hands. Regarding the two flush draws
, that's the worst play I've seen. The first Q6 hearts flush draw, he could
call. But I prefer check raise to allin to get some fold equity. The 2nd Q9
clubs, he shouldn't have called allin. Either push himself or check/call to
see the turn. Definitly wrong play. |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 29 lots of rocks, haha. for 40bb effective, snap call with AKo. she is never
folding, so it is a shove essentially. I play some hu cash game online, and
I think for 40bb, AJo/77+ is snap call against a 3bet/4bet shove. With AKo,
in general I think we can call off like 100bb? |
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 30 My two cents.
It depends on stack size.
Check back on the turn gives you more chance to get an extra bet or 2 on the
river, that is a huge plus when you are not very deep.
But if you are indeed very deep, with effective stack of 1000$ for instance,
you probably want to bet the turn because you want him to check raise again
with a lower set and then you can shove the river. If the turn is checked
through, it is very tough for him to put in a 4bet or 5bet on the river even
with a set. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 31 这手牌打得不好的。
RIVER上,POT 540*2+100*2+70*2+15=1435， 你只有1400-70-100-540 = 690，
EFFECTIVE STACK: 590.
RIVER BLUFF.他的牌是明牌（，因为它call了turn reraise),一个大对子加一张大红桃
。他用590刀去赢1435+590， RIVER他是不可能FOLD任何大红桃了。所以BLUFF 红桃
RIVER不明智。
RIVER 出其他牌，你能用ALL IN 赢下来的机会也很小。7， 8 ，ace,都算好牌，但即
使如此，出了7，8，ace,他call 你的机会都有50%。
所以river bluff allin 是巨大的-ev.
出现这种情况是因为你在turn上也可能犯了错。你在turn上的返加造成得锅太大。而且
给对手的odds 又太好。pot: 15+70*2+100*2+200+540 =1095, 对手只要call 540-200=
340。如果对手没有红桃的话，是有可能fold得。但once对手是任何的value hand,你也
是不能让他fold得。（我个人觉得你的turn... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 32 还有这手牌挺特殊的。
130BB EFFECTIVE, 4BET PREFLOP
在FLOP上其实就能决定是否ALL IN 得。
所以FLOP上一个小的RE-RAISE,对方就知道你是否准备ALL IN 了
POT on the flop, without any action: 70+70+15=155
对方只下了100在flop上，是很难在river上形成allin 的。
但是如果你reraise成280，对方就知道你要干什么了。如果他call了,他就是有牌了。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 33 You got the point. I am really afraid of he had TJ and check raised me on
the turn. It that case, I probably have to fold to a hand which I had good
equity.-----------------if he really has TJ, you do not have much equity.
Suppose 500$ pot, you only get 100$. Not only he will c/r on the turn with
the nuts, TJ in this case, but also he will c/r some nut draw, such as AdTd,
Ad9d, because he is out of position.
The flop raise is another question that confused me a lot. In deep stack,
when we have s... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 34
comes
and
I don't know about 2/5 NL much.
My2c, you mentioned villain likes to overplay a little bit and your image
was kinda loose. even that, i think without set/over cards flush draw,
villain still gonna fold to your 4bet shove here, which looks too strong and
definitely not a semi-bluff of combo draw. Plus you got position on her. So
i would flat call here and not fold no matter what. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 35 有印象，好像是Hero什么的， 一开始都没发现， 等一会儿手上发的牌突然多了， 还
以为系统出问题， 结果仔细看， 是好几种混合的比赛， 然后赶紧打开google搜规则
， 好在yuanjj还是知道的比我多点， 通过IM随时提醒我，
我不懂的game就尽量和人check到底， 然后等轮到holdem， 我和yuanjj就互相3bet/
4bet把其他player squeeze掉，靠作弊搞了个头两名
现在想想也挺有意识的 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 36 u internet kid， no brain 3bet，4bet，shove， 一点技术含量也木有 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 37
SB
action
since he just sat down, u have no idea, utg shove 4bet, against a range AA,
kk,AK?, you are 2:3, pot is 920, u need to call 630 (i assume you cover him)
, so, yeah, why not, if u think he will never do it with AK, then maybe fold
, if he is an internet kid, then his range might even be a lot bigger, then
it's a snap call
make
him
Bet
i will bet,你懂的 |
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 38 这是一个local home game，我对villian的判断基本上是一个TX，一个是FD，我当时很
确定had the best hand on the flop，（better hands will most likely 4bet
based on history)。turn 7 看起来是张不错的牌，当时pot已经>8$，所以OOP赶draw
3/4 pot也不算太多吧？
river thin的确实是 fish的TX和regular的KsXs，被raise以后知道落后了，但是应该5
$ fold一个50$的pot么？
个人感觉如果fish没hit到2P on turn，会call3$，会fold to 6$,如果fish fold，
regular也会fold on turn。
这把牌感觉打得有点身不由己，似乎没犯错误，似乎又可以打得更好。也许一直check
call到river是最EV+的？
最后说一句，after i mucked，villians普遍认为hero has AT or JJ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 39 you are increasing ur 3bet % in your villain's database, i think, lol
soon u will find more and more 4bet is coming |
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b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 40 Hero Button with JJ.
UTG raise to 1 dollar.a relative tight player.
fold fold fold ..... a guy late position call 1 dollar raise.
Hero think for a while 3Bet to 4 dollar. goes to BB reraise all-in. a guy
fold.
Hero need to call extra 3 dollar. kinda feel he had AK, AA, KK, QQ. so
called like a donkey... BB showed QQ.
Question: Should I even call this? how come live I'd fold to 4Bet in a heart
beat, online I called. Maybe because only 3.6 dollar? |
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b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 41 how come i never run into ppl like this. why i flop top 2 pair others have
to flop straight(i fold). i flop JJ 3BET raised by AA 4Bet. I flop AK top
pair top kicker, fold to A3 flop two pair. I bluff 77 raised by another AA,
I flop straight, the donkey called all the way till river a flush. He hold
A3 with button pair and that 3 made him a flush....
all happen in 1 hr on ONE table. |
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 42 听说这样一手牌
villain A (not much read): 600+ UTG; hero: 600+ UTG+1; villain B (not much
read): 150, CO
preflop villain A: 10$, hero has a good read that he got big pair
hero 99, call;
villain B call:
flop J95r,
villain A bet $15, hero 3bet to $30, villain B 4bet to $60, villain A 5bet
to $160,
hero tank fold, villain B instant fold
问题:good fold? |
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d******u
发帖数: 385 | 43 I played this hand, he seems to be a decent player with a lot of monster
showdowns. He came to the table for about 1.5 hrs and tripled his stack.
I mini raised with the purpose to build the pot. I actually was confused by
the 4bet from the old donkey. He even mucked his hand immediately after I
folded my hand. Of course, later on I took all this donkey's money. at that
moment, I thought there is no way the young guy can 5bet back with any over
pair. With my previous read on him that he was holdi... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 44 尼玛 btn 3bet steal/call 4bet/repush ace high flop = super nit + weak tight
毁三观 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 45 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - hands OOP sucks, My2C, since villain is straight forward, and we are OOP, I prefer
preflop 3bet to 55/fold to 4bet, then re-evaluate on flop.
if we already flat his 3bet, i would choose flop check/min raise/commit
if we c/c his flop cbet, i would c/c turn(木有什么value了啊, control pot 吧)
, donk 1/3 pot river/fold if board is not paird,or donk >=pot size river/
fold if hit boat
In ur situation, if your turn-check/raise-% is not too high, just fold with
sigh. Otherwise, check/call to the end imo. |
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e*****e
发帖数: 119 | 46 online NL25
btn raise 0.75 - havn't seen him play alot of hands
Hero SB, KQo, raise 2.55
BB folds, btn calls
flop 338, hero bet 3.55, btn raise 10,
hero shove $21
taking out QQ+ from his range since he didn't 4bet pre, a set will probably
raise less or just call.
i think he can have all mid pocket pairs, or hands like 78, 89, that wants
to take the pot down on the flop. Can I shove here? or am I overthinking
this and giving the guy too much credit?
Is it +ev to shove this on a reasonably good p... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 47 难道又是超级悲剧的一天
1 4.5k gtd 1r/1a 11 + 10 + 10
2 3k gtd 1a 60 + 55
3 4k gtd turbo 44
4 7.5k gtd 11
5 2.5k gtd 1a 11 + 10
晚上8pm，internet 开始抽筋，果断de-register第六场，试图借邻居的网络完成剩下
的比赛，不想，laptop运行poker软件又碰到问题，折腾到了9点，internet自动恢复，
哥一边问候comcast一边打开poker软件，
3号已经挂了
1号<10bb, 果断shove，挂
2号，尼玛120刀的买入啊！哥断线的时候是10k的chips，回来只有4.8k，且盲注400，
第二手哥小盲，44果断3bet shove utg chips leader的2bb open。对手tank and fold
，嘟嘟哝哝说kq，30% equity都没有，真把哥当rock了。紧接着下一把，哥button
with k5o，15bb stack，ope... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 48 今天说一下我看过的几本口碑非常好但是个人感觉用处不大的书。（大概是我的打开方
式不对吧……）
第一本是ed miller 的《Professional No-Limit Hold 'em: Volume I》。 应该说这
本书的出发点还是很有意思的。作者试图用stack to pot ratio（SPR）来处理poker当
中的各种可能的situation。这是这本书的特点，也是这本书没什么用的原因……现实
的情况比简单的SPR复杂的多，感兴趣的可以看Bill Chen的《The Mathematics of
Poker》。另外让我比较无语的是很多和stack size有关的interesting and
fundamentally important的concepts在这本号称专讲stack size的书里面居然完全没
有涉及。这个就是不能容忍的了。比如说100bb effective stack size， 为什么3bb
open 比5bb 或者2bb open要好。为什么3bet size是一般是10bb，4bet size一般是
20bb。如果对手open 5bb 或者 2bb... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 49 你刚才提到的这个 -- 请问为什么100 BB的stack size，为什么3bb open 比5bb 或者
2bb open要好？为什么3bet size是一般是10bb，4bet size一般是20bb？ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 50 1 3K 1R/1A 11 + 10 + 10
2 3K 1R/1A 60 + 55 + 55
3 2K 22
4 3K Turbo 1R/1A 44 + 40
5 4K R/1A 11 + 10 + 10
6 4.5K 33
哥觉得自己是属青蛙的：
1号，11bb a5o在UTG推没人接。k9o，小盲位3bet shove 11bb，CL kq call，挂
3 号，庄家位15bb AQo 3bb open，小盲flat，flop 84Jr cbet ½/call了小盲位
橙色玩家的raise shove，对方亮出 83s and hold（好吧），挂
6 号，AKo 4bet shove to 50bb jj，输到只剩10bb。大盲位用a4o 9bb squeeze 一个
松哥ep 2bb的open以及后面一群松哥flat的4-way的pot，庄家位平call/reshove with
ATs，CO玩家，用... 阅读全帖 |
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