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w***w
发帖数: 6301
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
对方4bet size也很小(是否说明对方手里也不是好牌?)。这么小的size lz只要有个
对就应该call。因为光从hit set的概率就是正EV。
至于lz preflop 3bet加大size,我想这不符合lz的style。如果平时lz 3bet都是很好
的牌,当然3bet的size大点没问题。但是lz 3bet的频率很高。如果用的size太大,就
会是负ev。换句话说,lz平时用垃圾牌3bet都用大 size,lz从对方没好牌时fold所赢得
钱,要少于对方有好牌反击时lz的损失。如果lz拿到好牌时才加大size,又给对方提供
了tell。
我想此例中对方4bet size那么小,一种是有试探性质,还有就是准备和lz做postflop
对抗。至于400NL的这种对抗的特点,我们一点也不知道。所以要真正了解这种情况应
该怎么打,只有在400NL打多了,才能清楚。
如果400NL 4bet很频繁的话,QQ allin也是个选择。
q****8
发帖数: 3281
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack JJ vs LAG 4bet
难道是我一直理解错了? 4bet light是指用polarized range里的低端的那头来4bet,通
俗说就用差牌来4bet bluff,和size大小无关。
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
昨天试着玩了会6max 400NL, 问问大家对这手牌有什么建议.
CO: ~$800, fish, I 3bet him frequently
BTN: Hero QcQs ~$900
BB: ~$800, a good player who is fully aware what I am doing. He doesn't
fold to me easily and could trap me.
Preflop:
CO open to $14
Hero raise to $48
BB 4bet to $98
CO fold
Hero call
BB's 4bet is a surprise. It could be that he is bluffing because he thinks
I am bluffing the fish. But I am not sure. This is the first time he does
it. For 100BB stack, I would shove. For 200BB, I don't feel that is... 阅读全帖
w***w
发帖数: 6301
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
所以你用AA 4bet samll 主要是考虑到掩护你频繁的垃圾牌。
如果对方不是(像你这样)频繁垃圾牌4bet呢?
我是说你不是从对方角度考虑吗?
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
又勾出一个foxwoods 2/5 reg,欢迎欢迎
回珍珠哥之前的online和live的问题
wmw最近有讲,当live玩家之间彼此经过太多历史,对对手的打法思路有个大概的认识
之后,实际上在他们心中,就具现化了对手的hud数据,然后开始主要根据数据,而不
是live tell来决定策略。我觉得很有道理。
不同级别,不同场合,跟未知对手交手,主要是以abc为基本,用各种因素对对手进行
预估,并且尽可能收集对手释放的所有信息(当然,这里live初级玩家的tell是大头)
,这个跟online与新近陌生玩家交手是一样的。差别在于,online能获取的信息源更少
,玩家就得逼着自己先用最合理(即最接近无破绽)的打法,作为起始策略。
这仅仅是我自己的理解,所以我一般对上新对手,都从装耸开始。象s神,本帖的陌生
pro的第一次4bet,缺乏数据的情况下,深筹时,qq已然变成了marginal situation,
我基本上,就flat pre,flop fit and fold了,如果对手flop没动,那就reevaluate
。但是,当他频繁4bet的时候,可能我会先尝试用medium s... 阅读全帖
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack JJ vs LAG 4bet
It is fun to play other LAGs.
6max 400NL
BB: ~$700, LAG that 3bet light vs my BTN steal 3 times in the last 10 mins.
1st time, I fold. 2nd time, I 4bet light, he calls preflop and flop cbet,
and fold to my turn bet. 3rd time, I call his 3bet, float flop and fold to
his second barrel.
CO: $400, LAG that steals often and is trying to fight back my 3bet from out
of position
Hero: JdJh ~$800, a crazy raise station that the whole table knows
Preflop
CO open $10
Hero raise to $35
BB 4bet to $83
CO fol... 阅读全帖
q****8
发帖数: 3281
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack JJ vs LAG 4bet
当然会了,我也有时在BTN 4bet light vs blind 3bet.
我4bet就有8%,能不LIGHT吗。
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack JJ vs LAG 4bet
奇怪,我们哪里说岔了。4bet light不就是4bet size 小么?
p**********1
发帖数: 1458
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - small pair 3bet/4bet all in profitable move?
watching 1k Monday tournament, and saw quite a few hands where people
3bet/4bet all in with small pairs like 2-2, 4-4. Is it a profitable move,
against raise from utg or re-raise from blinds?
h*******s
发帖数: 3932
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这手我应该4bet么?
SB这人的数据是10/8/5.6,一共210手历史。5.6%的3bet偏高,但有可能是统计误差,
另外第三个玩家的存在让事情有点复杂。
假设第三个人不存在,再假设5.6%的数据精确,你们一般会不会在这里4bet?5.6%的
range包括了88+, ATs+,AJo+,还是很广的,我手里又有两张blocker。
不过对方非常短筹,感觉有好牌的几率倒是加大了。可能EV上来说稍正(如果还有fold
equity的话)。
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1109103
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $23.70
SB: $12.39
BB: $8.54
UTG: $10.00
Hero (UTG+1): $49.65
UTG+2: $50.77
MP1: $25.83
MP2: $33.30
CO: $32.11
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UT... 阅读全帖
h*******s
发帖数: 3932
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这手我应该4bet么?
Yep I think 4bet at least is not bad EV wise. It should be small +EV.
If I were the short stack, I would 3bet allin directly to maximize my fold
equity and remove fold equity for the opponent.
Sure this would give a tell that I probably didn't have AA/KK. But overall
it's not that bad because:
1. I'm not folding QQ in this situation anyway, so I'm not worried that AA/
KK senses my "weakness". And if someone uses this "leak" to correctly (odds
wise) calls with AK, I am not in bad shape either. If... 阅读全帖
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
I feel the same way about his river bet, but still want to see what he has.
He has A5.
我对deep stack没有什么经验,QQ一般应该3bet多大? 如果被4bet了一般应该怎么
办?

your
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
谢谢大家的讨论,大家的意见对我都很有启发.
1. 3bet size
的确象wm说的一样,我3bet比较频繁,所以不愿意size太大.popo说的也有道理,deep
stack如果有大牌理论上应该是bet大一些.
2. 5bet
我没有5bet,和版主mm想得差不多.如果我5bet,基本就是commit了,如果对方有AA,KK
我have to pay him off, 但是对方的bluff牌基本是抓不到了. 还有一个原因,如果
我只是call 4bet, show some weakness, Villain with a monster hand may not
push as hard after flop, because he could be concerned that I fold instead
of pay him off.
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
我这是第一次玩400NL,所以也不太了解具体行情.但如果我是Villain with AA,
我4bet也会是这个size的.一是给对方5bet的机会,二是让对方不容易fold掉,当然,缺
点是对方call了后,有可能被suck out,很难躲掉.

赢得
postflop
w***w
发帖数: 6301
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
如果你拿AA也4bet small size,对方如果是一对,你长期是负EV的。
如果他没hit set就fold。他hit,你要pay他big。

AA,
p****0
发帖数: 611
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
这个5bet有个好处就是,villain觉得对付你可以用较宽的range 4bet small 作为起手
策略, 你5bet回去是要告诉他别拿这么宽的range来对付我, 除非你决定以后只拿top
range 和他搞下去。

deep
KK
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
但我还会用很多垃圾牌来4bet light的啊,如果他只是有对才call,没等到set就fold,
那不是很好么.
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
如果对方4bet较宽的range,你也用较宽的range call不是很好么.即使大家是一样宽,
你有position啊.

top
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
你可以假设一下,你4bet light牌里一半是大牌,一半是垃圾牌,对方3bet里一半是对会
call,另一半fold. After flop,你100% cbet,对方等到set就继续玩,没有就fold,你如
果是大牌就100% pay him off,如果是垃圾牌就放弃.
这个绝对是大大的+EV.
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
如果对方只4bet AA,那是应该多bet点.
H*T
发帖数: 43
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack QQ vs 4bet, how to play?
Such a good post with detailed technical discussions!
Somehow I disagree with the "no 5bet" reasoning. If you only 5bet with QQ+,
of course villain can fold his worse hand and only calls with AK+. But
shouldn't you 5bet bluff with a small percentage (say 10-15%)? so that
villain will fold his better hand sometimes? This would boost your EV
tremendously.
As played, my intuition is to fold on river if villain is a decent player,
since he knows I wouldn't fold given c/c on the turn.
Perhaps the bes... 阅读全帖
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - play A high to river in 4bet pot
我也不知道对方是什么牌,但肯定比我大, TAG never opens UTG with A9o, 唯一有
可能比我小的是suited connector,但这种情况deep stack他应该是会call我squeeze而
不是4bet.
你如果是对方,你觉得我是什么牌?
w***w
发帖数: 6301
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - play A high to river in 4bet pot
我不知道你前面是怎么打的。
如果你前面打的太loose,他垃圾牌也有可能。
正常情况他UTG open并且4bet 你, 至少是QQ,AK。
我想了半天,觉得他fold就是不相信你会floating,所以你肯定hit到triple(或flush
)了。
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - play A high to river in 4bet pot
他不可能是垃圾牌,他open的时候又不知道后面会发生啥。
我也是赌他不相信我会out of position floating 4bet pot, Qing兄也说了这个很少
见的. 如果他想不到我是floating,那应该就会相信我大过他了。

flush
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack JJ vs LAG 4bet
I can understand why he 4bet light here. I play this way often too. It is
like 3bet light in 100bb standard stack. The value of bluff is really in
the flop cbet.

not
I*****N
发帖数: 497
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack JJ vs LAG 4bet
Since you said he is a LAG and He know you are a LAg too, You can't assume
he is ABC Villain. Assume he suspected you were squeezing and he 4bet light,
and you didn't 5bet or shove and just called. He was more likely thinking
your hand range was very wide at the flop. You raise, He had 3 options:
shove, call or fold. The value you lose are: he fold or call the fold on the
turn if you bet again. IF he never consider folding is an option in this
situation, then he is a losing player.

of
q****8
发帖数: 3281
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack JJ vs LAG 4bet
光讨论这手牌是没有意义的。对手TURN成2对了,怎么也逃不掉两人都ALL IN,无论在
TURN还是RIVER.
我前面说的对手4BET SIZE太小,也不是针对这手牌,谁知道这手牌碰上JJ呢。
s*****s
发帖数: 1130
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - deep stack JJ vs LAG 4bet
那和这手牌deep stack out of position 4bet light不是一样的么
h*******s
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3bet: I feel 100 hands is enough to smell the tendency, and 200 hands stat
should get quite close to the accurate number.
4bet: i haven't got a reliable reading on this yet after maybe 18k hands.
the max number of hands i had with any player probably is around 300-400
hands, but 4bets are still so rare. any 4bet involves a 3bet first. my gut
feeling is 50 3bets probably can tell you his 4bet tendency. So if he FACEs
3bets 5%, you need about 1k hands. But to be safe you may need 2k hands.
4bet ra... 阅读全帖
w***w
发帖数: 6301
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - One hand
你这个帖子里有很多point值得思考。
我想了很久,我觉得我的point也有理由,不过我打online时间很短,限于我打的时间
和水平不够,也有可能我对online的理解达不到那个层次。
说一下我的point。
首先在这个例子中我说的特意降低bet size,是指的在YYx这样的flop上,我打的size
低于top straight的牌力。而你说的bet size应该打的大,并不是特指这种情况。在
XYZ这样的正常flop上,(如果我有top straight)我在turn和river上也会打的很大。
scripps 在另一帖中说,在这种YYx这种flop上,对方没有牌,你很难赢到什么钱。我
加一句,如果双方都有牌,(triple以上)不管你打得多小,最终pot都会搞得很大。
因为这种flop牌力是跳升的,要不就没,要不就很大。而在XYZ这种flop上,你拿TPTK
,对方拿TPNK,你不打的大,对方未必会打。所以在正常flop上,有好牌往大打是对的
。但在YYx的flop上,打的小不会miss对方的two pair,同时能减小nuts对你的伤害,
也不会miss中间的triple和... 阅读全帖
p******a
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 推荐几本书和几个视频2
我的想法是这样的,欢迎chem老师来探讨一下。
2bb open的话就给BB一个非常好的odd。call 1bb to win 3.5bb pot。假设BB的牌是
Q3o,flop hit pair Q和2 pair+的概率接近20%。这本身就是一个+ev call了。同时因
为pot很小,意味着如果用45s,22之类的牌call的话imply odds很大,fold equity很
高。如果再考虑前面的位置也有人call的话,BB几乎可以+ev无脑call任何牌。同时
late position比如button可以非常cheap的3bet bluff,然后利用position玩postflop
。也使得early position opener很难打。根据thoery of poker,玩牌赢钱的方法是让
对手make wrong move。所以除非对手非常tight,不停fold to 2bb open(wrong move
),否则是很难赢钱的。
5bb open涉及到open range的问题。我也没有太想明白。极限的情况比如hero只open
QQ+和AK,遇到3bet就
4... 阅读全帖
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - What is your calling range here?
最近desktop的硬盘坏了 连着哥的脑子也有点秀逗了 没看明白mm老湿的问题。
下面郑重回答,mm老湿问的,拿什么来call这个btn的5bet
在abc情况下,100bb有效stack,鉴于btn是5bet 未知的cold 4 bettor,
online
微级别桌子,哥愿意把他的range估计在qq+/AK和极少的bluffing hands,这里哥的
calling range和对手的shoving range相同,另外,哥一般不用qq和ak在这里small
4bet,哥会either flat,或者直接4bet shove,从而避免拿qq和ak在这里crying call,
低级别桌子(nl50/nl100),一般或者未知对手,哥会把他放在KK+和少量QQ,哥的
calling range是KK+。另外,哥想了一下,一般情况下,哥只在这里用qq cold 4bet
small/fold,用KK+/ak flat,fold其他的牌。遇到明显的好的spot,可能拿着any 2
cold 4bet/fold,拿着kk+ 4bet/commit。
再高级别的桌子,木有经验,weakt... 阅读全帖
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
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前提条件是,彼此之间信息全无
我的一点看法
1 以你所在的ps 25NL的整个player pool的信息为基础,做决定。比如大牛你前几万手
牌里,包括你involved或者是旁观的3bet pot的%,preflop是不是经常3bet 4bet,整
体的commit pot的hand strength,hand showdown的比例,整体的aggression程度(即
大多数时候,这个级别的game是soft或者是push hard)等等。哥觉得在相对soft的
game environment里,JJ在这里call 3bet oop,以pot control为基础play post flop
问题不大,换言之,marginal。而在非常pushy的game里,postflop会变得异常难打,
大多数情况下ended up猜对手有没有牌,大的variance不可避免。
2 从game flow的角度来讲,其实你这手牌的任何应对,都会对未来该桌的dynamic,以
及你跟另外5个对手(尤其是本手的villain)之间的未来的交手做铺垫。换言之,无论
你怎么打这手牌,好好利用这手牌的... 阅读全帖
y********n
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前提条件是,彼此之间信息全无
我的一点看法
1 以你所在的ps 25NL的整个player pool的信息为基础,做决定。比如大牛你前几万手
牌里,包括你involved或者是旁观的3bet pot的%,preflop是不是经常3bet 4bet,整
体的commit pot的hand strength,hand showdown的比例,整体的aggression程度(即
大多数时候,这个级别的game是soft或者是push hard)等等。哥觉得在相对soft的
game environment里,JJ在这里call 3bet oop,以pot control为基础play post flop
问题不大,换言之,marginal。而在非常pushy的game里,postflop会变得异常难打,
大多数情况下ended up猜对手有没有牌,大的variance不可避免。
----------Yes, you are right.
而在非常pushy的game里,postflop会变得异常难打,
大多数情况下ended up猜对手有没有牌,大的variance不可避免。
2 从game... 阅读全帖
d*****0
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my2c
usually the thinking level of 6max-25NL is still kind of low. Not many
players care about balancing. I even doubt how much % of players are aware
of it, which ended up playing ABC regardless your rival's style/level/table
dynamic and etc.
It does not mean most players in the pool are dumb tho. Actually the real
reason imo is the % of bad players is so high, which forces a good player to
adjust his play into a more straightforward/simple style.就像打live 1/2一样
,遭遇未知对手,你不是先假设他理解poker的常识,而是先把他当成初... 阅读全帖
y********n
发帖数: 2063
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bet size 应该value 和bluff balance.
-----> If you think so, I should 4Bet small because i could have some bluffs
here.
Also by 4Bet small, I can make him spazz out. Do you agree?
In position, I think this 4Bet size is fine. If I were OOP, I will 4Bet a
little larger for sure.
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 吐槽
纯abc来讲,4bet shove,range非常高大上了,烂牌进不来
abc + 1 level,4bet shove,含有相当一部分bluffing range,以及一些medium
strong hand like AQ/AK,加上bvb的situation,导致那些3bet的medium pair可能会
crying call进来。而small 4bet,变相套池反而rep更窄的range,让原本可以crying
call的牌变得非常tough。当然,如果在这里被flat 4bet的话,villain的牌简直是屌
炸天了。相反,如果villain 5bet 反推回来,他的range跟3bet时候的range,应该差
不了多少。(当然这是我自己目前的理解)
我把对手定在abc+1的level,结果对手貌似是abc或者是abc+2,虽然show down是我想
看到的比较好的结果。当然结果的结果,让自以为内心强大的哥,还是心里有点小芥蒂。
h*******s
发帖数: 3932
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这个AA该怎么玩
今晚第二手就是AA 3x raise结果输给一个垃圾牌的顺子。后面拿到的KK/AA基本没人
call,决定limp了。。结果碰到下面这手。。
我4bet后,两人很快fold,说明SB is capable of squeeze而且对这种limpin-4bet非
常警惕的,我只是不知道他会不会fold KK。
如果我flat call 3bet,不知道MP2会不会call,而且我觉得SB也会很警惕,我的AA的
implied odds不会好,而他基本在暗处。
所以我觉得4bet还是可以的,或者说mix up吧,差不多50/50?
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1092118
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
UTG+1: $25.00
Hero (UTG+2): $55.91
MP1: $10.52
MP2: $35.84
CO: $44.86
BTN: $24.45
SB: ... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这个pot怎么打呢?
utg with KK, open raise 4bb
fold to button, button raise to 13.5bb
sb cold call,
effective stack 100bb
what to do now? I think should always 4bet,
4bet size? 50 bb or shove?
if say 4bet to 50bb, button called, sb fold, flop low cards rainbow
what to do? bet or c/c?
h*******s
发帖数: 3932
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 昨晚一把牌
如果桌子wild,你limp等着4bet也不是不可以。不过UTG被人3bet,然后回过头来被个
limp的人4bet,基本上你的牌就明了,KK都不像,只能AA。
所以你limp后,我觉得要准备直接4bet allin,弄1-2个loose的call进来然后就看运气
了。
直接raise是正常做法,准备和UTG heads up,最佳情况是他re-raise,然后你直接
allin完事。如果后面还有个把limp的,更好。

告诉我他有pocket QQ.
s*******o
发帖数: 4896
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 一手QQ
原始情况是有人3bet了,QQ怎么办
这个我觉得很难讲的,很多时候我觉得是border line要看3bet的人的数据
如果是normal 3bet数据,我会4bet/call。我觉得cold 4bet的range应该
和early position遇见3bet以后4bet range相当,我认为是(QQ+,AK)
这里的前提是100bb stack,6max table并且只有one raiser,one 3better的情况
其他squeeze的话变化更多了,因为很多人squeeze range会紧点,要重新看
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 一手QQ
bobo兄 你以前一直在玩merge的25NL 6max,来说说这个player pool preflop 3bet/
4bet/5bet风格。
我打了一阵了,为什么我老觉得everyone is conservative on preflop reraise。
some loose guys always got punished by 4bet light being caught or fold to
5bet shove,再后来,所有人都不4bet light了,反而很多是flat 3bet。还是说这是
我的打法的原因,让我看不到他们的实际range。
请指教
y********n
发帖数: 2063
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JJ is the strong part of our value hands. If we 4bet, we have to get it
allin preflop. The problem is that JJ is underdog when it gets allin, since
villain will fold AQ, TT, 99, 88.
If I do want to 4bet, I will 4bet with deep polarized range, such as AA, KK,
AK, 9Ts, A4s.... JJ is not in that range.
p******a
发帖数: 975
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - One hand
看有人感兴趣我就展开说一下好了。
optimal play的求解,人越多越容易,stack越浅越容易。两种极端的情况是,比如桌
上坐23个人玩holdem,这个optimal strategy就很显然了。或者20bb一下的HU,
optimal strategy就是Nash Table。
现在高级别100bb 6max NLHM很多高手的strategy就很接近optimal了。galphond在好几
个视频里说过,他不喜欢4bet,因为preflop 4bet他觉得自己已经没什么edge了。这是
因为preflop 4bet以后的情况太简单了,尤其有了hud之后。另外越来越多的顶级玩家
都开是玩深筹桌,比如PS就有很多高额200bb的桌子,因为100bb的打法已经被研究的很
深入了,绝顶高手之间的edge越来越小。
现在还没有人真正能给出100bb 6max的解(当然有也不会对人说),但是这个解可以证
明是存在的。我觉得《Expert Heads Up No Limit Hold'em, Volume 1: Optimal and
Exploitative Strategies》是最... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问一个4b的情况
我也是觉得第二种情况我会下大注。
因为第一种不下注也可能赢。
第二种不下大注基本上就等于放弃了。
对方会call 4bet的牌中,Ax的牌很少(只有AK,AQ)。大多数都是一对。而会call
flop cbet的牌,(在第二种情况中)基本上都是一对。
我打的这个level,4bet基本上都是AA,KK。
lz拿AK,QQ 4bet,应该是因为在lz的level上,3bet的牌多数都比AK,QQ弱。
那么当flop对方check后,对方平均牌力比lz手里的牌弱的可能更大了一些。所以cbet
是必须的。至于cbet以后怎么打,如果对方reraise,自然是fold。
如果对方继续check,第一种情况我会check。
第二种情况我会继续bet3条街。
当然并不是对所有人都这么打。
根据对手不同,每一步打法都可以做调整。
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 吐槽
昨online regular 215 buyin,5个小时的憋仙战术,好不容易深筹打进钱圈。跟一哥
们儿在btn vs blind的情况下,直接进去了30bb,又是min cash,尼玛,再这样下去,
br要见底了。
hero with tag image (17/15 no 4bet
Villain kinda tag,3bet 8% and fold to donkie 4bet shove 20bb couple of
times at big blind (3x 3bet = weak, 2x 3bet = strong)
哥的排名5/20
here comes the last hand,
both 30bb or so stack
preflop
fold to hero,2.3x open at btn with A9o
sb fold,bb 3bet to 7bb
hero 4bet to 14bb, bb shove 30bb, hero call
bb shows 63o and hit 2 pairs。。。
这把如果赢了哥就是CL了。。。
why the fac... 阅读全帖
d*****0
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 吐槽

剩下20人,我排名第五
这个玩家之前的两百多手牌里,打法没有看出什么的大的漏洞,对待理解abc的玩家,
我理解,这里small 4bet更强于4bet shove,当然因为对手3bet太多,我是不准备fold
给他的5bet的。
我原本是用small 4bet来避免variance的,事实证明,自己想法错误。
i********r
发帖数: 1153
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - what can he have?
if his 4bet range is wide cold call with hands like JJ is a mistake. i'll be
more than happy to shove it in against his wide 4bet range with JJ. your fl
at call is good if you think someone behind you is squeeze happy, otherwise
the chance that someone else behind you will call as well and you'll play th
e hand out of position is too big and it sux.
on the flop i give up if i don't have the flush draw, i was probably already
behind and drawing very thin, if i was ahead they would generally have
y********n
发帖数: 2063
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - yesterday's miniftop event #12 is good show
The way he played is awesome.
A lot of ppl(usually high buyin fellows) repops him. Almost 30% chance he
get repoped, then he use 4bets(almost 50% chance, the 4bet could be very
very light, of course the 3bet(might be 27o) also very very light) to
resteal it.
The stack is very deep, hard to allin. If you are short, then allin very
easily. One guy(high buyin buddy) allin him with k9s and wins, and he calls,
show tjo. But if you have 20+bb deep, he raises to 2.3BB, hard to allin, if
you 3bet him, h
t******b
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来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 昨晚一手趣牌讨论
Do you have a lot of history with him? If not, you have to give him
this pot, it is just too hard to play big pot out of position.
His 3bet size is 11BB, your 4bet size is 30BB, which is too large.
You only need to bet about 26BB to force him either fold or shove.
That extra 4BB you put in the pot doesn't do you any good. In fact,
it will give him better odds to call, or less needed fold equity
to shove because of the larger dead money.
Generally speaking, for 100BB play, 4bet bluffing is not pr
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