p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 1 What is your best move for following hands
1. NL100, me 108BB, villian is 9/9, had me covered
fold to villian (mp5) raise to 3bb, I called at SB with 7c7h, BB fold
flop 6d3d6h (pot 7bb), I check villian bet 4.5BB, I check-raise to 15BB,
villian called
turn 2s (pot 37bb), I bet 23 BB, villian called
river Jh (pot 83 bb)
what he has? what's your best move for this hand?
2. NL100, me 103bb, v1 53bb no history, v2 70bb 22/7
1. fold to utg+2, raise to 3bb, v2 called, I called with AQo at BB (probably... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 2 fcf 老大，我一般 buy-in 2/5 会在 40 bb - 50 bb 左右。 同样的筹码 1/2 就在
100bb。
40bb-50bb 似乎在我的 comfort zone， 我起手牌敢看一些 KQs，AJ 之类的牌，人多
一些的话会玩一些中等的 suited connector。
我一般不会打 30bb 左右的 short-stack。那天你看到我玩 70 快左右，是已经给打下
来的钱。因为觉得运气不好，没有 re-buy。short-stack 我缺乏耐心和时机的把握，
有一个 top pair 就 all-in。
2/5 full buyin 对我来说太大了。
请问什么样的 stack size 比较适合 2/5？ 对于 40-50bb 来说，怎么样的打法为最佳
？ 想听听您的建议。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 agree.
if we watch enough russian/german, sometimes even chinese, short stackers
play online, they all follow a very simple fold/push pre-flop strategy. they
normally buy in for 40BB, and if they're in a hand, all money will go in no
later than the flop. their pushing range is just like lundon said, 88+ or
AT+.
but there's one problem using this strategy in live, VOLUME. online short
stackers normally play 10+ tables and they can show a profit much easier
with their robotic play, plus rakeback, ... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 this type of short stackers is common at all levels, actually i think at
lower levels, it works better since there're more donks to pay them off when
they do have a hand, and with a short stack, they play pre-flop much
stronger, which adds fold equity against a lot of speculative hands like small
PP or SCs, which need implied odds. after all, few hands can stand a 10x
preflop action and most likely fold/commit situation on flop.
40BB is good for a 3 bet preflop and pot shove on the flop.
their m... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 thanks!
there's actually nothing to brag about, i was nursing my 10-40BB stack for
most of the time and was never a favorite in any sense. i didn't double up
with any premium hands much either, except i busted SkillVille, ex ftops
champ with AK, he got AK too and re-shoved me, i luckily hit 4 card flush.
my hands held up in a few coin flips while i was on the slightly behind side
. i knew ppl figured me as ABC poker and would give me respect, that's why i
knew i could river bluff big with a few ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 6 I have 3 yesterday. broke my personal record. unfortunately i was all on
the losing end. 120bb, 100bb and 40bb. thanks god the last one is a short
stack.
the beauty of playing ftp is it will teach you pot control, again and again.
later on, i learned even you flop set, you need pot control. haha
ftp is really a bi*ch trying to create actions. |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 7 没有什么印象特别深的牌。我觉得他们大部分都打cash game，打tournament的经验太
少。主要在三点：1) short handed的经验严重不足，open range太窄，也不知道如何
defend 自己的blinds。2) 对stack size不敏感，tournament毕竟不是cash game，不
能reload，20BB, 30BB,100BB打法完全不一样，他们在这点上adjust的不够。3）情绪
控制不行，尤其是到final table之后，有的人输了个大pot后容易lose composure
举个例子，
hand 1: chip leader with 450k raise on the button. BB with 100k shove all in
(Blinds 6k/12k)。 CL called and his ATo lose to Q9
5 hands later, CL raised again on button with 340k, same guy(BB) flat. Flop
came with Ks 6c Tc. check c... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 it probably does not make any difference in this particular hand vs this
particular opponent. But here is what I think we should consider to make
this decision to shove or call.
When we commit more than half of 60$ preflop with 60 behind, we have way
passed the commitment threshold. As long as we never fold post flop, calling
or shoving preflop is exactly the same--we don't make any mistake. Now to
our opponents, she is on the same boat, she has committed more than enough
chips to go all the way... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 9 I think most sites have a 40BB min buyin requirement. So 20BB might not work
. They do have shallow tables that allow 20BB min buyin, but then there are
many short stacks there that try to do the same thing.
For a live 5/10 player like you, it will be a huge waste of your skills to
play 20BB buyin games. Yes, you can play the optimal strategy. But even with
that your upside is limited and the variance is high, since even the
optimal strategy your edge is small. I think for a good player it is ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 10 no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
it is cap game. you buyin for 100BB ,but can only play 20 BB each hand.
i am interested in the game since I think it could be highly profitable,
even at 25/50NL level online. .
work
are
with
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 It's caped game. They had it at FTP too. I think with 30bb cap. Look for
SSS strategy, you only have very little edge even when played mathematically
. Not worth the effort IMO.
no. it is not shallow table. In shallow table you can only buyin for 40BB.
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 12 没有，老婆一直在Irvine工作。
LA附近有三个呗，commerce，bicycle比较正规，但是不明白有的桌子buy in只让40BB
。 相比之下hawaii garden环境差不少，但是鱼更多。
还是更喜欢pittsburgh的river casino，1/3 game看似很小，但是很适合鱼输钱，输
500-800我看他们都还能接受，玩呗。LA poker room，人多桌多，但是高手和鱼混杂的
厉害，不像我在pittsburgh捕鱼那么得心应手。总体来说pittsburgh casino挣钱更容
易。 |
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F*******T
发帖数: 11 | 13 记得最早是玩big two，比大小的方法和Hold'em很相近，只是花色大小也算。
后来毕业聚会的时候，第一次学玩Hold'dm，十个人左右的tournament，半路出局。接
着，又玩了两局，我都是冠军。
工作后，认识了很多牌友，home game玩的不亦乐乎，20buyin,第一名拿一大半，第二
名一小半，第三名不输不赢。玩的很开心，周末有时能打两个通宵。总体是赢多输少。
后来，由于忙，就不怎么玩了。近一年半，才开始关注电视上的比赛，注册了full
tilt，结果发现自己cash很菜。
FT关了以后，休战了半年。闲的无聊，转战家边赌场，很近，开车10分钟多一点。每周
末有$40 buyin tournament，结果连着三周都拿了第二名，一次是对决到底，奖金300
多，两次是平分，奖金400多。
试着拿奖金玩cash，每次都是被屠。后来才发觉，是我buyin太小，每次只买40BB，周
围都是100-150BB起的。另外，自己心态也不好。cash如果在一半一半，或不太确定的
情况下fold，就没有损失。Tournament所有chips都是所谓dead money，所以可以随心
所欲... 阅读全帖 |
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 14 200 3/5 game 只有40bb!!!
even |
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 15 200 3/5 game 只有40bb!!!
even |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 16 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这手牌乍办 我和bobo基本上没有交集，更别提什么讨论6max的群了，不过，merge 50nl 6max确实
大把大把的鱼啊，典型的40bb买入，take a shot的那种，game既soft又juicy，这就是
为什么我极端不适应merge 100NL 6max，尼玛，个个拿命上来跟你赌啊，哈哈，一个
session掉300bb啊，有木有，我还没有搞清楚为什么，就已经不想搞清楚为什么了。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 17 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这手牌乍办 我和bobo基本上没有交集，更别提什么讨论6max的群了，不过，merge 50nl 6max确实
大把大把的鱼啊，典型的40bb买入，take a shot的那种，game既soft又juicy，这就是
为什么我极端不适应merge 100NL 6max，尼玛，个个拿命上来跟你赌啊，哈哈，一个
session掉300bb啊，有木有，我还没有搞清楚为什么，就已经不想搞清楚为什么了。 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 18 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Yeah! Often times we are just not as good as we think we are. You can find people
saying these words all the time -- I need to build a big stack so that I can
use my technique to run over the whole table. However, is our technique
really so good that it is worth more than the 20% guaranteed ROI we can get
by playing short?
Also, all cash players know how annoying a short-stack can be. When a decent
short stack sits on your left, you can no longer raise light or 3-bet light
because he will jump on top ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 19 钱圈：27人
剩下37人，
UTG 33/15鱼stack 40bb左右 limp，3 other limp with 20～30bb stack，哥button位
，88 31bb stack（排名中游） raise shove，请问是否合理 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 20 merge 周日8桌
分别是 2个4k、2个5k、1个6.5k、1个25k和2个35k保证金的tourney。参加人数基本都
在400到700人之间。
其中一个4k和另一个5k的比赛，初期run的不错，chips一直保持在前5％，并且5k的那
场已经进入钱圈。可是一个不留神，两桌同时跟两个大stack clash输掉2/3的chips，
一下子沦为中短筹（30～40bb），尼玛，实在是悲剧啊。
4k的那场，哥OOP with QsTs, raise/flat tiny small 3bet, flop 5s8sTd，check/3x
raise villains 2/3 potsize cbet/call villain overshove。对手亮出AsTc，哥顿
时一口老血涂在屏幕上。
5k的那场，哥kqo chips leader，early position preflop 2.2x open，CO刚坐上桌也
是大stack flat call。flop J92r,哥2/3 size cbet，villain call，turn 5，哥pot
size to put villai... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 21 今天说一下我看过的几本口碑非常好但是个人感觉用处不大的书。（大概是我的打开方
式不对吧……）
第一本是ed miller 的《Professional No-Limit Hold 'em: Volume I》。 应该说这
本书的出发点还是很有意思的。作者试图用stack to pot ratio（SPR）来处理poker当
中的各种可能的situation。这是这本书的特点，也是这本书没什么用的原因……现实
的情况比简单的SPR复杂的多，感兴趣的可以看Bill Chen的《The Mathematics of
Poker》。另外让我比较无语的是很多和stack size有关的interesting and
fundamentally important的concepts在这本号称专讲stack size的书里面居然完全没
有涉及。这个就是不能容忍的了。比如说100bb effective stack size， 为什么3bb
open 比5bb 或者2bb open要好。为什么3bet size是一般是10bb，4bet size一般是
20bb。如果对手open 5bb 或者 2bb... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 22 4篇日记写下来，bankroll down了将近1k哈，今天又down 400，降级就在眼前，哥实在
是有点无奈。不过这也算是正常，本来学习就是要付出代价，这来回几千的对哥来说也
影响不到生活，相反的戒骄戒躁，该怎么玩就怎么玩，在哥看来才是更重要的，以此与
广大胸怀赌神梦想的有志宅男共勉。
05/27/13
1 4k 11 + 10
2 3k 60 + 55 + 55
3 3k 44 + 40
4 5k 11 + 11 + 11 + 11
5 10k 60
6 4k 33
1) AA win 100bb against JJ on QT2r 3bet flop. Villain is marked as overplay
fish. UTG limp, UTG+1 limp, MP min raise 2bb, BUTTON call, SB call, hero on
BB with KK pot size squeeze 12bb, MP flat, BUTTON flat, flop 456r, BUTTON
shove his rest 2x... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 23 1 1K 11
2 750 3.3 $7.78
3 1.5K 11
4 1K 11
5 1.5K 3.3+3+3 $28.75
6 3K 11+10+10
1号，UTG+1,TJs 12bb open shove，take down。UTG A7o open shove 14bb into QQ,
knockout
2号，大盲位88 14bb 3bet shove rock 2.1x open + a flatter，take down。换桌，
第一把，UTG 16bb open shove with A9o，被两家AJo call到，suckout！紧接着第二
把，AKo，接了16bb 和8bb的两连推，hold！wow！card dead + busy with other
tables ＝ auto ITM，呵呵。hero 大盲位，55 10bb stack call EP 5bb shove>A9s。
UTG+1 TJo 13bb shove，take down。换桌，UTG 33，15bb，看到大小盲均... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 24 260＋40刀买入，30分钟一级，500bb的初始筹码量，到中后期开始ante保持在六分之一
的大盲注（哥觉得相对过高，可能哥老土吧），总entry 157，final table开始pay
jump，第一名 ～$10K, 第九名～1K，钱圈20人，十到二十名～$700
跟朋友约好去fw随便玩玩cash，正巧看到这个tourney，一看有时间，所以尝试一下。
这应该算是哥的第5个live tourney。哥很少玩live tourney，原因很简单，就是觉得
没盼头，过程冗长，对体力和耐心要求很高，而且抽水太重。唯一吸引哥的就是live
table人间万象，玩家看上去都是那副很serious的样子，哥觉得挺逗。
闲话不多说，开始正文。
11点开始，桌上水平参差不齐，不乏高手，也有老爷爷用个中对追三条接的牌。哥初期
进局挺多，随着盲注提高，逐渐缩紧，没什么大pot，到40bb的时候agaisnt一个young
pro的两条街的重注，在river的scary card上，哥果断把medium strength hand turn
成了一个allin bluff，拿下。桌子到中期，仍然相当凶... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 25 我剛到Bovoda，前10K手 winrate >40bb/100,我一边打一边想，这尼吗的怎么可能，下
面肯定会有个大的downswing。 现在果然来了，才又3000手，就掉了一半到20bb/100了
。看看还要多久到正常范围。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 26 final 4，作为第二名超级大筹码，跟CL在tangle。
turn上，尼玛，丫用顶对裸call哥的check/shove with nuts flush，结果river被
4outer了，尼玛，这下丫比第二名多10倍的chips了。
哥瞬间损失了600刀的equity，倒在第四，尼玛啊
正发着贴，哥另一桌99跟另一个大筹码get in 40bb的pot，flop直接来张9，这尼玛太
rig了 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 27 其实这个问题本身就不够清楚。
没有大环境，小环境，很难判断。
大环境就是live还是online，online是在哪个pokerroom，你那个pokerroom流行的风格
是怎么样的。
小环境就是对手个人风格，对手现在的状态。对手和你是不是有issue，是不是on tile。
比如在live 用top pair call 40BB bet 就是鱼。因为很少人手里没有两对以上bet那
么大。
在online bluff要多很多。但是bet size和牌力对应还是成立。
我就是play L&G的。对我来说正常风格是一种比较难找漏洞的打法。太容易fold和太不
容易fold都是明显的漏洞，可以explore。如果我发现敢拿top pair一路call到底的，
我就会专等好牌加大注bet他。没好牌我就根本不会去碰他。
所以笼统说这幅牌应该不应该call到底，是很难说的。如果他前面一直打得很loose，
喜欢用大bet bluff，你就应该call。否则就不应该call。
所以用top pair一路call到底不是一种正常打法。是用于应对特别风格对手的特别打法
。如果你总是这样call你就死了... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 28 2. Money bubble hand by hand play: Hero just joined a new table for 1 round
and didn't play a hand yet. Villain is a young gun and plays well as I can
tell.
UTG with over 40BB raised to 2.xBB.
Villain (~50BB stack) at CO called.
Hero (~22BB stack) at SB with 88 raised to 6.xBB.
UTG fold. Villain all in.
Is that definitely a fold here for hero? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 差几十刀。 这EV difference 不代表run hot 和不run hot 阿。
如果没人上来向我丢砖头，有空贴个40bb/100 hand 的图。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 30 这里你忽略了一个问题，由于时间限制，Online桌数越多，每桌胜率越小。比如我NL10
一桌可以达到40bb/hr,4桌可能每桌达到20bb/hr,8桌5bb/hr,12桌以上应该是负的，因
为有很多手忙脚乱超时之类的。象Nanonoko这样24桌还是正的胜率是奇才。
that
sustain |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 31 桌数多了只能打ABC了，但是我觉得ABC是不可能一桌赢40bb的，就算是micro,也做不到
的。
我如果打一桌NL10要最大化利润，我肯定VPIP 40%以上，因为POSTFLOP差距太大了，但
这就不是ABC了。6－8桌这么搞肯定顾不过来的。
micro的鱼是不会被杀光的，现场最小NL200，鱼都一批接一批，online才NL4,NL10之类
的。现在关键是大多数鱼都不打online了，所以感觉鱼很少了。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 32 ABC肯定是战胜小场的根本，我主要是提到要胜率达到40BB/HR，所以必须在ABC的基础
上，针对不同的对手，打的相当EXPLOITABLE，并不是一概而论说要多BLUFF。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 33 D神的感悟迟迟不见真家伙。
我来谈点我的感悟。
第1点：
下注量对应牌力。
这点在cash game中尤其明显。cash game的下注层次感非常强。有多大牌力，下多大注
。下注超过你自己牌力，本来可以被你赢的，被你吓跑了。敢call你的，基本上是比你
的牌大。打live的，掌握这一点，就足以成为长期winner。
我把下注量分为两大分界。第一分界是一对和两对以上牌力的分界。在live，基本上下
注到40BB，就表明具有两对以上的牌力。online 20BB是分界。但是这个并不是定死的
。每个site每个赌场都有差别。第一分界每个地方都存在。只不过各处的下注大小有差
别。第2个分界就是nuts，这个基本上对应allin。
我们看如果一个牌手拿到TPTK就3条街打光，一个有层次感的对手在发现对手下注超过
第一分界，自己没有两对以上就fold，有两对以上就跟到底。最后的结果是这个对手会
赢很多。
并不是所有牌手打牌都有层次。有些鱼是没有层次的。他们自己打牌没有层次，对手打
的牌他们不懂得按分界的道理去判断对手。如果碰到这样的对手，就要把他们区分开。
对他们的下注就不能按两个分界判断。要按个... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****c
发帖数: 25 | 34 "但是看UTG的表情如果我没有击中set他应该是赢的"。你确定吗？大部分人打对了但结
果出来不好也会有失望或者不甘的表情。此处Strong drawing hand在flop也是领先于
你的。比如5c6c,LAG是完全可以在utg limp/call，然后flop也可以当成成手打（类似
的suited connector还有 34/78/89/JQ/QK）。另外当然还有slow play的overpair或者
set之类（在flop你无法排除set的可能）
。bottom two pair的可能其实反而比较少，因为limp call 74s 也太浪了一点。
这把牌关键在于你用一个TPTK在对方check raise情况下打了这么一个pot，你的几乎是
落后于对方的大部分range。刚开始pot75+，有位置bet 50感觉也可以，但人家
reraise150就基本应该秒fold了。。。（you are getting about 1 to 3，而且turn很
可能
会有一个更大的bet)。筹码深度不够最好fold(要是200bb+ call flop看看也可以)，
SPR一低人家肯定跟... 阅读全帖 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 35 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问一手牌 online nl 25/50 9max才打完的 hero is ugt+1 with 100bb AK(s). UTG raise 3bb.
Hero 3bet 11bb. MP 4bet 40bb with 60bb left. UGT FOLD。Hero calls. Board 88T
. Hero got flush draw. Hero push all in. MP calls and shows 77. Turn card 7.
Hero drawing dead
我的思路是这样。MP在我思路中是jj+。所以我的out是大概8—14张。当然有full
house我会drawing dead。fold equity不大可能有10%吧。这样打法算plus ev么？如果
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 38 I don't like the call in hand 1, because if you call then you give odds to
the two guy behind you very good odds to come in. Your JJ is a pretty good
hand heads-up but if another guy or two join the pot it's hard to continue.
I would just go all-in here assuming you aren't very deep, for 40BB I'm
pretty happy to go against a weird limp-reraise dude with JJ.
hand 2 I'll 2nd barrel and fold to a raise.
hand 3 is probably a fold because i think showing a card is pretty strong
move.
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 39 I do not know how many M I have. But I guess a lot, since only 2 ppl left,
we have all the chips, and the tourney is not a turbo one.
That game is crazy, I have 2:1 chip leader in the beginning. When I limp
the button, that guy shoves. When I raise the button, that guy shoves. When
I am in the blinds, he shoves. Every time, it is a 30-40BB shove, I just can
not call.
Finally I get unpatient, and limp with K7 suited, he shoves, I call, and
lose the game.
I do not know SAGE. What is that?
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 40 i wrote a whole paragraph then accidentally eraised them all. . . will try
to be brief here:
if it was 30-40bb, then you made a huge mistake by calling with K7s. just a
little bit of patience will get you there. i would wait for the top 10%
hands to call, that would give you more than 60% chance against a random
hand.
SAGE only come into play when one of you are short stacked (less than 10bb).
it is basically an unexploiable jam-fold stragety when you don't want to
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