d******e
发帖数: 7844 | 1 http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/reviews/a25780/
If the Scion is an example of a car that does more with less, the BMW is an
example of how to do less with more—more grip, more speed, but less finesse
and far less entertainment. And the Mustang? It's just an American glutton:
more size, more weight, more better. Then again, the GT's 5.0-liter V-8
does even more with even more. The 2.3-liter EcoBoost is fine on paper, but
when you factor in real-world fuel economy (we saw 13 mpg overall, the worst
of the bunch), you'd have to be insane not to buy the V-8, especially since
the four, as Prince points out, "has the aural appeal of an unmuffled 1980s
Volvo turbodiesel."
On paper, the Scion needs more power. In practice, it needs no such thing.
It's fast enough to keep you interested and balanced enough to steer with
the rear wheels. Best of all, it spurs you to use everything it's got, on
the road and around a track. | K******c
发帖数: 619 | | e**n
发帖数: 1326 | 3 "These tight, bumpy switchbacks flummox the Bimmer. With absolutely no
feedback coming through its steering wheel, the 228i is a bear to manage at
its limits with stability control off, first understeering considerably,
then flinging itself sideways at inopportune moments. Some midcorner
attitude changes are from ill-timed, computer-controlled brake interventions"
虽然BMW整体风格都是走操控沉稳路线，但是小号的228也不至于这么糟糕吧。 | p********e
发帖数: 6030 | 4 这么惨？Mustang EB一直测评都很好的啊
an
finesse
glutton:
but
worst
since
1980s
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/reviews/a25780/
: If the Scion is an example of a car that does more with less, the BMW is an
: example of how to do less with more—more grip, more speed, but less finesse
: and far less entertainment. And the Mustang? It's just an American glutton:
: more size, more weight, more better. Then again, the GT's 5.0-liter V-8
: does even more with even more. The 2.3-liter EcoBoost is fine on paper, but
: when you factor in real-world fuel economy (we saw 13 mpg overall, the worst
: of the bunch), you'd have to be insane not to buy the V-8, especially since
: the four, as Prince points out, "has the aural appeal of an unmuffled 1980s
: Volvo turbodiesel."
| s***i
发帖数: 10182 | 5 bmw菜车化堕落的速度几乎是直线下降的
不过225m应该会好很多
[在 exon (M vs AMG) 的大作中提到：]
："These tight, bumpy switchbacks flummox the Bimmer. With absolutely no
：feedback coming through its steering wheel, the 228i is a bear to manage
at its limits with stability control off, first understeering considerably,
：........... | p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 6 很奇怪，之前m235i还被试车人说是十年来最好开的bmw
这228i怎么就变这么差了？
at
interventions"
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: "These tight, bumpy switchbacks flummox the Bimmer. With absolutely no
: feedback coming through its steering wheel, the 228i is a bear to manage at
: its limits with stability control off, first understeering considerably,
: then flinging itself sideways at inopportune moments. Some midcorner
: attitude changes are from ill-timed, computer-controlled brake interventions"
: 虽然BMW整体风格都是走操控沉稳路线，但是小号的228也不至于这么糟糕吧。
| e*******e
发帖数: 1144 | 7 同疑惑。。。不知道是不是R&T的bias
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 很奇怪，之前m235i还被试车人说是十年来最好开的bmw
: 这228i怎么就变这么差了？
:
: at
: interventions"
| c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 8 是，不同媒体的反应差别挺大，Edmunds对228i的操控性的评价：
“The ride quality in Eco Pro and Comfort are compliant enough to serve as a
benchmark for more luxury-oriented rivals. You can still feel road
imperfections, but even the most egregious potholes are reduced to
insignificance. In Sport modes, the firmness is reassuring without ever
becoming nervous. To its credit, the 228i is one of the most entertaining
BMWs to drive hard on a twisting ribbon of pavement, whether or not it
sports an M badge.”
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 很奇怪，之前m235i还被试车人说是十年来最好开的bmw
: 这228i怎么就变这么差了？
:
: at
: interventions"
| c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 9 在C/D做的228i和CLA 250、A3的对比测试中，228i输给A3，C/D是这么说的：
“But the real reason the 228i finishes second in this test has nothing to
do with pricing. It’s that the BMW enjoys every dynamic advantage in terms
of curb weight, drivetrain configuration, power, and test-track speed, yet
manages to be only fractionally more thrilling than the Audi. Some blame
falls on the Bridgestone run-flat tires, which lack grip. Note how badly the
228i’s 0.86-g skidpad performance lags the others. On a fast road, the car
can lose hold and start slipping sideways, something that only has to
happen once to permanently shake a driver’s confidence.”
在另外一个228i xDrive的评测里，C/D评论道：
“BMW’s engineers might have had ottomans on the brain when they were
tuning the 228i xDrive chassis, because it’s a bit more relaxed than we’d
prefer. The steering is quick, but it’s also light and not particularly
communicative. Skidpad grip, at 0.87 g, is sufficient for Sunday drives, but
the 183-foot stop from 70 mph would have landed the 228i in last place in
our most-recent minivan comparison test. Blame the low-rolling-resistance
all-season rubber for that one, but credit fine chassis tuning for
extracting otherwise respectable performance in spite of the tires. As it is
, the 228i xDrive is so stable that it had us wishing for more power—say,
the M235i’s 320-horse straight-six.”
两个测试228i表现应该说都不算好，不过C/D都是归罪于轮胎了，但R&T测228i选装了米
胎，按说应该没有轮胎的问题啊…… | e**n
发帖数: 1326 | 10 可能是期望值太高了吧, 个人感觉BMW的操控风格不是thrilling/sharp的风格。
高速/颠簸路面很稳健。猛开的话虽然侧倾不大，但是明显能感觉悬挂调的保守（转
向不足，尾部很稳）。总体感觉就是extremely composed & capable but not overly
fun。
说到run-flat，虽然抓地力可能吃亏，但是轮胎硬对转向精准度还是有帮助，不开到极
限的话我觉得总体还是个plus.
A3这样的车,轴距比2系短那么多，估计也轻不少，比操控灵活性肯定占便宜。。。
terms
the
car
【在 c*********r 的大作中提到】
: 在C/D做的228i和CLA 250、A3的对比测试中，228i输给A3，C/D是这么说的：
: “But the real reason the 228i finishes second in this test has nothing to
: do with pricing. It’s that the BMW enjoys every dynamic advantage in terms
: of curb weight, drivetrain configuration, power, and test-track speed, yet
: manages to be only fractionally more thrilling than the Audi. Some blame
: falls on the Bridgestone run-flat tires, which lack grip. Note how badly the
: 228i’s 0.86-g skidpad performance lags the others. On a fast road, the car
: can lose hold and start slipping sideways, something that only has to
: happen once to permanently shake a driver’s confidence.”
: 在另外一个228i xDrive的评测里，C/D评论道：
| l*x
发帖数: 396 | 11 装了好胎似乎更糟。R&T强调的是过弯时，228i从抓地到漂移再到抓地的转变很jerk。
FRS这个过程一直很顺，进入漂移的过程很容易控制，driver过弯虽然不快但能很自信
。228i漂移过弯就是driver和车在fight,所以评价低。这和上track标准不太一样。
总结一下就是，FRS is designed to drive above the tire limit，228i is
designed to drive below the limit。
胎，按说应该没有轮胎的问题啊
【在 c*********r 的大作中提到】
: 在C/D做的228i和CLA 250、A3的对比测试中，228i输给A3，C/D是这么说的：
: “But the real reason the 228i finishes second in this test has nothing to
: do with pricing. It’s that the BMW enjoys every dynamic advantage in terms
: of curb weight, drivetrain configuration, power, and test-track speed, yet
: manages to be only fractionally more thrilling than the Audi. Some blame
: falls on the Bridgestone run-flat tires, which lack grip. Note how badly the
: 228i’s 0.86-g skidpad performance lags the others. On a fast road, the car
: can lose hold and start slipping sideways, something that only has to
: happen once to permanently shake a driver’s confidence.”
: 在另外一个228i xDrive的评测里，C/D评论道：
| e*******e
发帖数: 1144 | 12 Chris Harris 就是用2系拍的漂移教学视频，那叫一个smooth啊。。。
不过那个是M235i
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: 装了好胎似乎更糟。R&T强调的是过弯时，228i从抓地到漂移再到抓地的转变很jerk。
: FRS这个过程一直很顺，进入漂移的过程很容易控制，driver过弯虽然不快但能很自信
: 。228i漂移过弯就是driver和车在fight,所以评价低。这和上track标准不太一样。
: 总结一下就是，FRS is designed to drive above the tire limit，228i is
: designed to drive below the limit。
:
: 胎，按说应该没有轮胎的问题啊
| c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 13 A3毕竟是AWD，怎么会比228i轻呢，C/D测试里比228i重了十几磅，差别不大
最大优势还是抓地，A3竟然达到了0.94g！
overly
【在 e**n 的大作中提到】
: 可能是期望值太高了吧, 个人感觉BMW的操控风格不是thrilling/sharp的风格。
: 高速/颠簸路面很稳健。猛开的话虽然侧倾不大，但是明显能感觉悬挂调的保守（转
: 向不足，尾部很稳）。总体感觉就是extremely composed & capable but not overly
: fun。
: 说到run-flat，虽然抓地力可能吃亏，但是轮胎硬对转向精准度还是有帮助，不开到极
: 限的话我觉得总体还是个plus.
: A3这样的车,轴距比2系短那么多，估计也轻不少，比操控灵活性肯定占便宜。。。
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: terms
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