d*****s 发帖数: 5610 | 1 http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html
刚刚宣布的政策:
Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the
U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn
master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering
or math) "from accredited institutions."
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary-
clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/ |
f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 2 民主党又会把这个政策和大赦非法移民捆绑立法吗?
高院打脸Obama,希拉里接着出新招? |
d*****s 发帖数: 5610 | 3 反正我们都是公民了,不会在乎这个问题。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 民主党又会把这个政策和大赦非法移民捆绑立法吗? : 高院打脸Obama,希拉里接着出新招?
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f****g 发帖数: 23666 | 4 hehe,这点是和党一向支持的,问题是主党每次要捆绑非法移民才总是胎死腹中。
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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g********2 发帖数: 6571 | 5 这个政策更坚定了没绿卡的华人(比如chatman)支持希拉里的决心。
只不过他们暂时还没投票权。 |
s******y 发帖数: 1117 | 6 于是中国人砸锅卖铁来美国读书,为了“考绿卡”,十年之后美籍的华人人口激增,对
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 7 老兄误解了。
共和党从来都是这个政策,民主党每次都要把这个政策和大赦非移一起通过。
chatman的观点看看乐乐就好,每次读他的帖子我都泛起无限同情。
【在 g********2 的大作中提到】 : 这个政策更坚定了没绿卡的华人(比如chatman)支持希拉里的决心。 : 只不过他们暂时还没投票权。
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m**k 发帖数: 1503 | 8 其实还是2013年综合移民改革里面的关于STEM的内容,这部分在2013年就已经是两党都
同意的事情,是奥巴马非要把非法移民内容捆绑才没有通过,如果单独拿出来投早就过了
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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s**********u 发帖数: 2749 | 9 Master一年就行了啊
过了
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】 : 其实还是2013年综合移民改革里面的关于STEM的内容,这部分在2013年就已经是两党都 : 同意的事情,是奥巴马非要把非法移民内容捆绑才没有通过,如果单独拿出来投早就过了 : : the : engineering
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j*********r 发帖数: 24733 | 10 这个才是关键
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】 : hehe,这点是和党一向支持的,问题是主党每次要捆绑非法移民才总是胎死腹中。 : : the : engineering
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h***n 发帖数: 1600 | 11 不现实,为了拉选票而已。现在只是一部分毕业生申请绿卡,绿卡排期都要等那么多年,
这年头甚至连绿卡延期都要"排期"了, 据说目前才排到去年10月份, 要是一毕业都给绿
卡,移民局要crash了. |
m**k 发帖数: 1503 | 12 有啥不现实的,每年的PHD,master才几个人,还只要stem,这人数比h1b少多了,按照
当年的STEM提案,这部分绿卡是没有排期的,也不需要雇主sponsor
【在 h***n 的大作中提到】 : 不现实,为了拉选票而已。现在只是一部分毕业生申请绿卡,绿卡排期都要等那么多年, : 这年头甚至连绿卡延期都要"排期"了, 据说目前才排到去年10月份, 要是一毕业都给绿 : 卡,移民局要crash了.
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Q**********u 发帖数: 1616 | |
n****g 发帖数: 14743 | 14 只要能拉票,就宣布搞。
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 15 dem要不把合法和非法的绑在一起就不是dem了。
另外这个stem的政策和“diversity”是完全不相容的,主党内反对的意见不会少。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】 : 有啥不现实的,每年的PHD,master才几个人,还只要stem,这人数比h1b少多了,按照 : 当年的STEM提案,这部分绿卡是没有排期的,也不需要雇主sponsor
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B********n 发帖数: 12753 | 16 这个是共和党一开始就想做的好吧,结果dem把它拿去和非法捆绑,然后大统领出了号
称140简化,结果弄了快2年太监了 |
G******U 发帖数: 4211 | 17 绿卡绿卡。现在无关了,也时不时看下。
这个“给STEM硕博毕业生直接绿卡”的提案是共和党以前经常
提出的。即使是提倡减少移民的共和党参议员也大力支持的。
每次都是民主党非要把合法学生跟非法移民捆绑。你要是不给
全部非法移民大赦,民主党就不许解决合法学生的移民问题。
希拉里作为一直未非法移民张目的民主党候选人现在提出的
这个和直接用F word 骂人也没什么区别了吧。得多傻才能
相信?
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 19 http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/EB23/32224141.html
标 题: 共和党参院移民委员会主席Jeff Sessions对STEM宣战了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 26 16:06:42 2015, 美东)
Jeff Sessions刚刚被任命为新一届国会共和党参院移民委员会主席,他的顶头上司是
本版最爱戴的参院司法委员会主席Chuck Grassley,俗称格老。
本版最爱的高科技移民之友--共和党--对STEM移民打脸Policy来了。
硅谷STEM骗局:
http://www.sessions.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/67ae7163-6616-4023-a5c4-534c53e6fc26/immigration-primer-for-the-114th-congress.pdf
THE SILICON VALLEY STEM HOAX
The false claim that has gained the most acceptance is the notion that there
is ashortage of qualified Americans with degrees in science, technology,
engineering, andmathematics (STEM). Therefore, the fallacious reasoning goes
, the United States mustexpand the already-substantial annual influx of
foreign guest workers to fill these jobs. Butthe evidence proves the
opposite: not only is there no shortage of qualified Americans ready,able,
and eager to fill these jobs, there is a huge surplus of Americans trained
in these fieldswho are unable to find employment.
It is understandable why large technology firms push the discredited STEM
myth—a loose labor market for IT and STEM jobs keeps pay low, allows for
substantial turnover without having to retain older employees with increased
compensation, and provides a PR basis for the industry’s immigration
lobbying campaign. What is not understandable is why they have gotten away
with it for so long.
The facts are stark, and overwhelming.
Recent data from the Census Bureau confirmed that a stunning 3 in 4
Americans with a STEM degree do not hold a job in a STEM field—that’s a
pool of more than 11 million Americans with STEM qualifications who lack
STEM employment. This is a constantly growing number: Rutgers Professor Hal
Salzman, a top national expert on STEM labor markets, estimates that “U.S.
colleges produce twice the number of STEM graduates annually as find jobs in
those fields.”22 Many of the students, no doubt choosing to pursue STEM
degrees in part due to bogus claims of STEM labor shortages, now find
themselves with massive amounts of debt and no prospects of a good-paying
job. Salzman goes on to report this shocking fact: “guest workers currently
make up two-thirds of all new IT hires”—so even as half of Americans with
STEM degrees can’t find STEM work, 2 in 3 new jobs in the information
technology field are going to labor imported from abroad.
Salzman continues: “but employers are demanding further increases. If such
lobbying efforts succeed, firms will have enough guest workers for at least
100 percent of their new hiring and can continue to legally substitute these
younger workers for current employees, holding down wages for both them and
new hires.”
In fact, even as IT firms clamor for more guest workers, they are laying off
their existing workers in massive quantities. Bill Gates coauthored an op-
ed demanding more foreign labor for companies like Microsoft the same week
that Microsoft announced plans to lay off 18,000 of its employees. Perhaps
before lobbying Congress for more H-1B workers, Mr. Zuckerberg could phone
Mr. Gates and ask for the resumes of some of the 18,000 who have been sent
packing.
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】 : hehe,这点是和党一向支持的,问题是主党每次要捆绑非法移民才总是胎死腹中。 : : the : engineering
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d****g 发帖数: 110 | 20 支持!希拉里最务实。最具体问题具体分析。。。
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 21 这里是讲美国stem毕业人数够了,不再需要h1B。针对的主要是印度IT h1B的巨烂质量
,因为他们没有美国本土学位。
类似的劳工保护政策其实在两党内都在抬头。这个真不能怪美国本土劳工。
there
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/EB23/32224141.html : 标 题: 共和党参院移民委员会主席Jeff Sessions对STEM宣战了 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 26 16:06:42 2015, 美东) : Jeff Sessions刚刚被任命为新一届国会共和党参院移民委员会主席,他的顶头上司是 : 本版最爱戴的参院司法委员会主席Chuck Grassley,俗称格老。 : 本版最爱的高科技移民之友--共和党--对STEM移民打脸Policy来了。 : 硅谷STEM骗局: : http://www.sessions.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/67ae7163-6616-4023-a5c4-534c53e6fc26/immigration-primer-for-the-114th-congress.pdf : THE SILICON VALLEY STEM HOAX : The false claim that has gained the most acceptance is the notion that there
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 22 发信人: tomnjerry (tom jerry), 信区: EB23
标 题: Re: 共和党参院移民委员会主席Jeff Sessions对STEM宣战了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 26 18:48:56 2015, 美东)
Sessions 主席在他的大作里特别提到中国博士学生了,诸位对共和党强烈支持给STEM
博士生发绿卡的作何感想啊?
Another major, yet often overlooked, provision in the [Senate immigration
bill] would grant automatic green cards to any foreign student who earns
a graduate degree in a STEM field, based on assertions that foreign
graduates of U.S. universities are routinely being forced to leave. Such
claims are incompatible with the evidence that such graduates have many
paths to stay and work, and indeed the ‘stay rates’ for visiting
internationalstudents are very high and have shown no sign of decline. The
most recent study finds that 92% of Chinese Ph.D. students stay in the U.S.
to work after graduation…
The tech industry’s promotion of expanded temporary visas (such as the H-1B
) and green cards is driven by its desire for cheap, young and immobile
labor. It is well documented that loopholes enable firms to legally pay H-
1Bs below their market value and to continue the widespread age
discrimination acknowledged by many in the tech industry…
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 这里是讲美国stem毕业人数够了,不再需要h1B。针对的主要是印度IT h1B的巨烂质量 : ,因为他们没有美国本土学位。 : 类似的劳工保护政策其实在两党内都在抬头。这个真不能怪美国本土劳工。 : : there
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 23 猫老鼠兄好,好久不见。你为sffa捐款的事我还记得。
这篇文章是说,中国来的留学生很少被迫离开美国。有啥问题吗?
如果这篇报道属实,那是否证明希拉里又在骗选票?
STEM
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: tomnjerry (tom jerry), 信区: EB23 : 标 题: Re: 共和党参院移民委员会主席Jeff Sessions对STEM宣战了 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 26 18:48:56 2015, 美东) : Sessions 主席在他的大作里特别提到中国博士学生了,诸位对共和党强烈支持给STEM : 博士生发绿卡的作何感想啊? : Another major, yet often overlooked, provision in the [Senate immigration : bill] would grant automatic green cards to any foreign student who earns : a graduate degree in a STEM field, based on assertions that foreign : graduates of U.S. universities are routinely being forced to leave. Such : claims are incompatible with the evidence that such graduates have many
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a*******r 发帖数: 641 | 24 too much strings attached. this is not her goal. |
z*******3 发帖数: 333 | 25 老妖婆为了选票,什么空头支票不敢开!
twitter用西班牙语!
同性恋游行冲在前面表演, 哪天穆斯林集会她蒙面包头巾也不是不可能的!呵呵! |
d****g 发帖数: 110 | 26 这不顾一切下结论下的。
共和党的意思是H1B不少,小水龙头开着,让这些中国学生煎熬七年,当二等公民是抬
举他们了。不需要改善他们的状况了。
希拉里的意思是立刻绿卡。这样你们的选择就多了。想创业的创业,想换老板的换老板。
不知道你选哪个?
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 猫老鼠兄好,好久不见。你为sffa捐款的事我还记得。 : 这篇文章是说,中国来的留学生很少被迫离开美国。有啥问题吗? : 如果这篇报道属实,那是否证明希拉里又在骗选票? : : STEM
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 27 stem绿卡共和党每两年提一次,以前主党还有参院多数的时候次次都不给投
过了
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】 : 其实还是2013年综合移民改革里面的关于STEM的内容,这部分在2013年就已经是两党都 : 同意的事情,是奥巴马非要把非法移民内容捆绑才没有通过,如果单独拿出来投早就过了 : : the : engineering
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 28 stem毕业生绿卡从来不是希拉里的原始主张。
你脑补太多。也难怪,空嘛。
板。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】 : 这不顾一切下结论下的。 : 共和党的意思是H1B不少,小水龙头开着,让这些中国学生煎熬七年,当二等公民是抬 : 举他们了。不需要改善他们的状况了。 : 希拉里的意思是立刻绿卡。这样你们的选择就多了。想创业的创业,想换老板的换老板。 : 不知道你选哪个?
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 29 Someone claimed that GOP 'always supports stamping GCs to STEM students'
diploma', for instance:
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发信人: fading (fading), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 希拉里想给STEM硕博毕业生直接绿卡,怎么办?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 29 10:57:25 2016, 美东)
hehe,这点是和党一向支持的,问题是主党每次要捆绑非法移民才总是胎死腹中。
发信人: BlackQueen (黑桃皇后), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 希拉里想给STEM硕博毕业生直接绿卡,怎么办?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 29 11:37:34 2016, 美东)
这个是共和党一开始就想做的好吧,结果dem把它拿去和非法捆绑,然后大统领出了号
称140简化,结果弄了快2年太监了
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Here I provide direct evidence that GOP is actually against the idea with
explicit words: 'Another major, yet often overlooked, provision in the [
Senate immigration bill] would grant automatic green cards to any foreign
student who earns a graduate degree in a STEM field'
Jeff Sessions is NOT a rank and file member of congress; instead he is the
Chairman of Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration and The National
Interest (BTW, he change the name from 'Subcommittee on Immigration' to '
Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest') appointed by Mitch
McConnell after GOP took back senator in 2015. He published this whitepaper
in the Chairman position thus it is not only his personal view but a view
shared by most GOP members as well.
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 猫老鼠兄好,好久不见。你为sffa捐款的事我还记得。 : 这篇文章是说,中国来的留学生很少被迫离开美国。有啥问题吗? : 如果这篇报道属实,那是否证明希拉里又在骗选票? : : STEM
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 30 猫老鼠兄阅读要加强啊。
一边是要对进口h1b严加管理。一边是对本土毕业stem绿卡。政策上不矛盾啊。
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : Someone claimed that GOP 'always supports stamping GCs to STEM students' : diploma', for instance: : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : 发信人: fading (fading), 信区: USANews : 标 题: Re: 希拉里想给STEM硕博毕业生直接绿卡,怎么办? : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 29 10:57:25 2016, 美东) : hehe,这点是和党一向支持的,问题是主党每次要捆绑非法移民才总是胎死腹中。 : 发信人: BlackQueen (黑桃皇后), 信区: USANews : 标 题: Re: 希拉里想给STEM硕博毕业生直接绿卡,怎么办? : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 29 11:37:34 2016, 美东)
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 31 GOP raise this issue every two years till they took back both chambers of
congress in 2015. When they were minorities, they raised the issue in order
to make DEM look ugly. It has no intention solve this issue at all.
If they really care, why don't they pass 'piece meal' bills--as they touted
when they killed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform-- after they became
majority in both Senator and House? Have they passed even one piece of bill
on immigration in the past 1.5 years, besides the whitepaper that calls STEM
'silicon valley hoax' posted on Jeff Session's webpage? They are now
majority in both chambers and super majority in the House, they do not need
DEM's support on this.
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : stem绿卡共和党每两年提一次,以前主党还有参院多数的时候次次都不给投 : : 过了
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 32 所以你也是非法移民大赦的支持者?
order
touted
bill
STEM
need
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : GOP raise this issue every two years till they took back both chambers of : congress in 2015. When they were minorities, they raised the issue in order : to make DEM look ugly. It has no intention solve this issue at all. : If they really care, why don't they pass 'piece meal' bills--as they touted : when they killed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform-- after they became : majority in both Senator and House? Have they passed even one piece of bill : on immigration in the past 1.5 years, besides the whitepaper that calls STEM : 'silicon valley hoax' posted on Jeff Session's webpage? They are now : majority in both chambers and super majority in the House, they do not need : DEM's support on this.
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x****o 发帖数: 29677 | 33 Stem绿卡,从我有印象的08年开始搞,一直到现在,就是个月经
怎么还有人上当?
还记得当年LIA游说的罗富贵法案,因为经济危机紧急讨论,直接被下架
后面有印象的几个stem法案,都是不了了之,什么捆绑非移,西裔帮分裂,部分赞成,
共和党主张,参院两党合作,格老,这些东西我一个新警察都听了快十年成了老油子了
,怎么还有人信这个东西?
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me
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k**i 发帖数: 10191 | 34 哈哈,楼上居然有人信,这是没出校园吧?但凡来美10年拿了绿卡的,都不会相信这玩艺.
这东西前后象擦桌布一样提出来多少次了? |
t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 35 I don't care about the illegal part for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
But I feel sick of the lying that GOP cares for STEM immigrants. Indeed they
hate all, no matter legal or illegal.
As for illegals, personally, as long as the border can be secured and new
comers can be kept out (it is part of the Comprehensive bill last year), I
have no issue with providing some sought of legal status to those who have
been here for many years without criminal record except the illegal trespass
. OF course it would be the best if someone could deport the 11 million
illegals but we have to face reality-- it's impossible even to deport 1/10
of them. It's not easy to depot 1 million people in China today, not to say
the US.
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 所以你也是非法移民大赦的支持者? : : order : touted : bill : STEM : need
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 36 人活着靠自己,说某党关心stem毕业生,当然不妥,至少的精细定义“关心“。
可是你在抨击别人撒谎之后,马上来了一句“ Indeed they hate all, no matter
legal or illegal.”这个在我看来,也无异于撒谎。因为没有事实根据,或者说,你
需要补充事实根据。
提到非移大赦,你的观点基本靠谱,但是必须建立在一个边界靠谱的前提下,另外,如
果取消非移子女公民权就更靠谱了。
they
trespass
say
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : I don't care about the illegal part for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. : But I feel sick of the lying that GOP cares for STEM immigrants. Indeed they : hate all, no matter legal or illegal. : As for illegals, personally, as long as the border can be secured and new : comers can be kept out (it is part of the Comprehensive bill last year), I : have no issue with providing some sought of legal status to those who have : been here for many years without criminal record except the illegal trespass : . OF course it would be the best if someone could deport the 11 million : illegals but we have to face reality-- it's impossible even to deport 1/10 : of them. It's not easy to depot 1 million people in China today, not to say
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m**k 发帖数: 1503 | 37 共和党支持STEM这话没错的,格老和赛老两个人反移民,不代表共和党整体反移民,事
实上共和党作为一个整体没隔几年就提一次STEM,这个之所以没过还是因为民主党阻挠
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 人活着靠自己,说某党关心stem毕业生,当然不妥,至少的精细定义“关心“。 : 可是你在抨击别人撒谎之后,马上来了一句“ Indeed they hate all, no matter : legal or illegal.”这个在我看来,也无异于撒谎。因为没有事实根据,或者说,你 : 需要补充事实根据。 : 提到非移大赦,你的观点基本靠谱,但是必须建立在一个边界靠谱的前提下,另外,如 : 果取消非移子女公民权就更靠谱了。 : : they : trespass : say
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 38 I have put my reasons in one post above already:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOP raise this issue every two years till they took back both chambers of
congress in 2015. When they were minorities, they raised the issue in order
to make DEM look ugly. It has no intention solve this issue at all.
If they really care, why don't they pass 'piece meal' bills--as they touted
when they killed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform-- after they became
majority in both Senator and House? Have they passed even one piece of bill
on immigration in the past 1.5 years, besides the whitepaper that calls STEM
'silicon valley hoax' posted on Jeff Session's webpage? They are now
majority in both chambers and super majority in the House, they do not need
DEM's support on this.
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】 : 人活着靠自己,说某党关心stem毕业生,当然不妥,至少的精细定义“关心“。 : 可是你在抨击别人撒谎之后,马上来了一句“ Indeed they hate all, no matter : legal or illegal.”这个在我看来,也无异于撒谎。因为没有事实根据,或者说,你 : 需要补充事实根据。 : 提到非移大赦,你的观点基本靠谱,但是必须建立在一个边界靠谱的前提下,另外,如 : 果取消非移子女公民权就更靠谱了。 : : they : trespass : say
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b*****e 发帖数: 53215 | 39 这个我同意你 两党都没诚心解决移民问题 合法还是非法
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order
touted
bill
STEM
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : I have put my reasons in one post above already: : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : GOP raise this issue every two years till they took back both chambers of : congress in 2015. When they were minorities, they raised the issue in order : to make DEM look ugly. It has no intention solve this issue at all. : If they really care, why don't they pass 'piece meal' bills--as they touted : when they killed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform-- after they became : majority in both Senator and House? Have they passed even one piece of bill : on immigration in the past 1.5 years, besides the whitepaper that calls STEM : 'silicon valley hoax' posted on Jeff Session's webpage? They are now
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 40 你洗得也太直白了。piece meal大统领说了绝对不给过,你要不要再去翻翻旧闻?CIR
没给众院piece meal选项阿,那时候还是主党拿着55票阿
order
touted
bill
STEM
need
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : GOP raise this issue every two years till they took back both chambers of : congress in 2015. When they were minorities, they raised the issue in order : to make DEM look ugly. It has no intention solve this issue at all. : If they really care, why don't they pass 'piece meal' bills--as they touted : when they killed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform-- after they became : majority in both Senator and House? Have they passed even one piece of bill : on immigration in the past 1.5 years, besides the whitepaper that calls STEM : 'silicon valley hoax' posted on Jeff Session's webpage? They are now : majority in both chambers and super majority in the House, they do not need : DEM's support on this.
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 41 这个是证明共和党恨所有移民的证据?
原来你以为我不识字啊。
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order
touted
bill
STEM
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : I have put my reasons in one post above already: : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : GOP raise this issue every two years till they took back both chambers of : congress in 2015. When they were minorities, they raised the issue in order : to make DEM look ugly. It has no intention solve this issue at all. : If they really care, why don't they pass 'piece meal' bills--as they touted : when they killed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform-- after they became : majority in both Senator and House? Have they passed even one piece of bill : on immigration in the past 1.5 years, besides the whitepaper that calls STEM : 'silicon valley hoax' posted on Jeff Session's webpage? They are now
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s******y 发帖数: 17729 | 43 希拉里也是大嘴一张就敢瞎拉稀
不过智商好像欠费,这个对她上位有鸡巴毛的用啊,stem学生又没有投票权,让丫们去
投黑票敢吗?还不如八马直接发龙虾铁票有效。反正那些非法移民都是光脚的,咣咣就
敢去投票
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 44 奥巴马说要Veto GOP就不提了?
过去这些年,大到Obama Care的几十次Undo,小到加拿大输油管道,哪次GOP听到奥巴
马要反对就不投了?恰恰相反,奥巴马越反对,他们就越投,他们的目的就是要让奥巴
马去Veto,将来选举当中他们可以用这些投票记录来攻击DEM。
那轮到STEM他们咋就不吱声了呢?因为道理很简单,无论是GOP议员还是GOP的Base没人
觉得这是件正确的事啊。
CIR
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 你洗得也太直白了。piece meal大统领说了绝对不给过,你要不要再去翻翻旧闻?CIR : 没给众院piece meal选项阿,那时候还是主党拿着55票阿 : : order : touted : bill : STEM : need
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p******l 发帖数: 317 | 45 所有你能想到的你不能想到的大饼,希拉里都会给你画一遍。 |
g******a 发帖数: 778 | 46 离大选还有几个月,坐等女科下面两场制服诱惑:
1)裹头巾骗穆斯林
2)扮男人装吸引女同
【在 p******l 的大作中提到】 : 所有你能想到的你不能想到的大饼,希拉里都会给你画一遍。
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j*******n 发帖数: 10868 | 47 尼玛移民版对格劳塞老恨得牙痒的众多eb23哭晕
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】 : hehe,这点是和党一向支持的,问题是主党每次要捆绑非法移民才总是胎死腹中。 : : the : engineering
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h***1 发帖数: 2263 | 48 靠,这是人家共和党一贯的政策好不好!
民主党一直都是在从中捣乱,要不是他们乱捆绑,这个可能已经
立法通过了。
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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h**********n 发帖数: 897 | 49 发10000张高科技绿卡绑1M非移,是在鄙视高科技移民的智商和短视么? |
h**********n 发帖数: 897 | 50 反正要搞工作AA,给你绿卡又如何?你没了工作难道继续赖在美国洗盘子? |
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m**k 发帖数: 1503 | 51 怎么不敢提了,STEM每2年提一次,但是议会不给讨论,2013年CIR是如表等等几个共和
党听了民主党忽悠把STEM和非法捆绑了,以为能上,结果被自己人f了
这些消息走h1b拿绿卡的人都清楚,当成个新大陆一样的一看就是政避来的
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : 奥巴马说要Veto GOP就不提了? : 过去这些年,大到Obama Care的几十次Undo,小到加拿大输油管道,哪次GOP听到奥巴 : 马要反对就不投了?恰恰相反,奥巴马越反对,他们就越投,他们的目的就是要让奥巴 : 马去Veto,将来选举当中他们可以用这些投票记录来攻击DEM。 : 那轮到STEM他们咋就不吱声了呢?因为道理很简单,无论是GOP议员还是GOP的Base没人 : 觉得这是件正确的事啊。 : : CIR
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 52 那里是1m,是整整30M,我早就说了cir一旦通过,合法的都直接缔结了得了,
区区50w daca移民局都瘫痪了,485周期在过去3年内延长了4倍以上,这都是妥妥
的数据
【在 h**********n 的大作中提到】 : 发10000张高科技绿卡绑1M非移,是在鄙视高科技移民的智商和短视么?
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 53 你在搞笑么?参院当时控制在猪党手里,博起困难说要做piece meal,猪党不同意阿,
这才不能投,你前面看完后面就忘是猪党综合症犯了?
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : 奥巴马说要Veto GOP就不提了? : 过去这些年,大到Obama Care的几十次Undo,小到加拿大输油管道,哪次GOP听到奥巴 : 马要反对就不投了?恰恰相反,奥巴马越反对,他们就越投,他们的目的就是要让奥巴 : 马去Veto,将来选举当中他们可以用这些投票记录来攻击DEM。 : 那轮到STEM他们咋就不吱声了呢?因为道理很简单,无论是GOP议员还是GOP的Base没人 : 觉得这是件正确的事啊。 : : CIR
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 54 I am talking about the timeline between Jan.2015 to Jun. 2016. 1.5 year is
plenty of time for GOP to pass ONE BILL on immigration that they promised
they would do in mid-term election in 2014.But there is NOT EVEN ONE. They
can say whatever they like in 2014 when they were minority, but the past 1.5
year reviewed that GOP was just lying, just like what you are doing all day
long on this forum--either lying, or posting not so funny political 'jokes'
on joking board in order to entertaining your not so big brain.
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 你在搞笑么?参院当时控制在猪党手里,博起困难说要做piece meal,猪党不同意阿, : 这才不能投,你前面看完后面就忘是猪党综合症犯了?
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 55 现在又变成15到16了?主党在参院还有45票可以filibusterer,要不你给他们打
个电话让他们停止祸国殃民?
.5
day
jokes'
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : I am talking about the timeline between Jan.2015 to Jun. 2016. 1.5 year is : plenty of time for GOP to pass ONE BILL on immigration that they promised : they would do in mid-term election in 2014.But there is NOT EVEN ONE. They : can say whatever they like in 2014 when they were minority, but the past 1.5 : year reviewed that GOP was just lying, just like what you are doing all day : long on this forum--either lying, or posting not so funny political 'jokes' : on joking board in order to entertaining your not so big brain.
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 56 Obama always has power to veto, but GOP keeps on passing bills that are
doomed to be vetoed. According to your logic that would and should never
happen.
You really need to increase your brain capacity to understand these, I guess.
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 现在又变成15到16了?主党在参院还有45票可以filibusterer,要不你给他们打 : 个电话让他们停止祸国殃民? : : .5 : day : jokes'
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 58 我就等在这里打你的脸,恩
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STEM Jobs Act of 2015
Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to make up to 55,000 visas
available in FY2016 and subsequent fiscal years to qualified immigrants who:
(1) have a doctorate degree in a field of science, technology, engineering,
or mathematics (STEM degree) from a U.S. doctoral institution of higher
education; and (2) have taken all doctoral courses in a STEM field,
including all courses taken by correspondence or by distance education,
while physically present in the United States.
Defines "United States doctoral institution of higher education" as an
institution that: (1) is defined under the Higher Education Act of 1965; (2)
was classified by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching
on January 1, 2014, as a doctorate-granting university with a very high or
high level of research activity or classified by the National Science
Foundation as having research activity equivalent to such institutions; (3)
has been in existence for at least 10 years; and (4) is accredited by an
accrediting body that is itself accredited either by the Department of
Education or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation.
Makes any such unused visas available to aliens who:
hold a master's degree in a STEM field from a U.S. doctoral institution of
higher education that was either part of a master's program that required at
least two years of enrollment or part of a five-year combined baccalaureate
-master's degree program in such field;
have taken all master's degree courses in a STEM field, including all
courses taken by correspondence or by distance education, while physically
present in the United States; and
hold a baccalaureate degree in a STEM field or in a field included in the
Department of Education's Classification of Instructional Programs taxonomy
within the summary group of biological and biomedical sciences.
Prohibits the Secretary of Homeland Security (DHS) (Secretary) from
approving an employer petition on behalf of a STEM alien unless the
Secretary receives a determination by the Secretary of Labor that there are
not sufficient American workers available for the job.
Requires DHS to: (1) adjudicate a petition on behalf of a STEM alien within
60 days, and (2) notify a petitioner within 30 days if the petition does not
meet approval standards and needs to be resubmitted.
Requires: (1) employers of foreign STEM graduates to submit a job order for
the position with the appropriate state workforce agency, and (2) such
agency to post the position on its website for at least 30 days.
Requires the Department of Labor to: (1) adjudicate a STEM application
within 180 days, and (2) notify an applicant within 60 days if the
application does not meet approval standards and needs to be resubmitted.
Requires DHS to make available on its website specified information
regarding foreign STEM employers, the number of aliens granted STEM status,
and their occupations.
Makes unused STEM visas in FY2016-FY2019 available for use in future years
under specified conditions.
Eliminates the diversity immigrant program.
Requires the National Science Foundation to report to Congress every five
years regarding the STEM workforce in the United States.
States that: (1) the permanent priority date for any employment-based
petition shall be the date on which the petition is filed, unless such
filing was preceded by the filing of a labor certification with the
Secretary of Labor, in which case that date shall constitute the priority
date; and (2) an alien who is the beneficiary of an employment-based
petition that was approvable when filed shall retain such petition's
priority date in the consideration of any subsequently filed employment-
based petition.
Revises foreign student visa (F-visa) provisions to establish:
an F-1 visa for a foreign student who is pursuing a full course of STEM
field study at a U.S. institution of higher education or a proprietary
institution of higher education which has agreed to report the attendance
termination of each nonimmigrant student to DHS, or who is participating in
related temporary optional practical training following completion of such
studies;
an F-2 visa for a foreign student who has an actual residence in a foreign
country and who seeks to enter the United States temporarily and solely to
pursue a course of study at an established college, university, seminary,
conservatory, academic high school, elementary school, or in a language
training program in the United States, which has agreed to report the
attendance termination of each nonimmigrant student to DHS;
an F-3 visa for the spouse or minor child of an F-1 or F-2 foreign student;
and
an F-4 visa for a Canadian or Mexican foreign student who maintains an
actual residence in such country and commutes to a U.S. institution for full
or part-time (F-1 or F-2 related) study.
Authorizes the spouse and minor children (V-visa) of a lawful permanent
resident alien to wait in the United States (without work authorization) for
the availability of an immigrant visa after having spent a year on the visa
waiting list.
Offsets amounts expended to carry out this Act by a corresponding reduction
in federal discretionary spending.
guess.
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : Obama always has power to veto, but GOP keeps on passing bills that are : doomed to be vetoed. According to your logic that would and should never : happen. : You really need to increase your brain capacity to understand these, I guess.
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 59 It's another direct prove that your brain is no bigger than a mouse, maybe
as big as an ant. You are slapping your own face, if you still have one.
Where is the vote? Not to say 'pass'. Do you understand what 'pass' is? Now
GOP has majority in the Sen and super majority in the House, they do not
need DEM's help to PASS bills.
the
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 我就等在这里打你的脸,恩 : S.98 - STEM Jobs Act of 2015 : 114th Congress (2015-2016) | Get alerts : BILLHide Overview icon-hide : Sponsor: Sen. Vitter, David [R-LA] (Introduced 01/07/2015) : Committees: Senate - Judiciary : Latest Action: 01/07/2015 Read twice and referred to the Committee on the : Judiciary. (All Actions) : Tracker: : This bill has the status IntroducedHere are the steps for Status of
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d*******g 发帖数: 8992 | 60 想有鸟用,当时共和党的还不是让驴党和非法捆绑,给搅黄了 |
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c******4 发帖数: 4896 | 61 不是好的法案,phd又怎么了。。各个学校的phd,各个老师水平不一样。。那帮教授的
权利不要无法无天啊。。。。学术跟身份怎么能捆绑在一起? |
k******7 发帖数: 521 | 62
Now
你就别扯了,都什么年代了还和党讨厌所有移民,你看看这次和党的候选人都是谁,就
连trump都娶了个移民老婆。反倒是稀拉拉和移民最扯不上边。和党有排外kkk,主党还
有gay恐怖分子了。也不看看现在大环境是偏左还是偏右
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : It's another direct prove that your brain is no bigger than a mouse, maybe : as big as an ant. You are slapping your own face, if you still have one. : Where is the vote? Not to say 'pass'. Do you understand what 'pass' is? Now : GOP has majority in the Sen and super majority in the House, they do not : need DEM's help to PASS bills. : : the
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s*********r 发帖数: 9493 | 63 这个是好事啊,应该支持。。。吧?
嗯?
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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p**********6 发帖数: 24 | 64 Hillary的原文是:
As part of a comprehensive immigration solution, Hillary would “staple” a
green card to STEM masters and PhDs from accredited institutions—enabling
international students who complete degrees in these fields to move to green
card status.
但看到 As part of a comprehensive immigration solution的时候,我就知道这个法
案没戏。
系老太不过是旧事重提,吸引选票罢了。
看官们洗洗睡吧。
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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f**********n 发帖数: 29853 | 65 赞原文引用。
我都懒得去看,信老妖婆得永生。
a
green
【在 p**********6 的大作中提到】 : Hillary的原文是: : As part of a comprehensive immigration solution, Hillary would “staple” a : green card to STEM masters and PhDs from accredited institutions—enabling : international students who complete degrees in these fields to move to green : card status. : 但看到 As part of a comprehensive immigration solution的时候,我就知道这个法 : 案没戏。 : 系老太不过是旧事重提,吸引选票罢了。 : 看官们洗洗睡吧。 :
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 66 你复读机阿,主党有参院46票,共和党不添3000w无证可的屁股不可能pass
任何法案,你的明白?我左右开弓打得你脸都花了,你考虑用一下你的白卡去疗伤把
Now
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : It's another direct prove that your brain is no bigger than a mouse, maybe : as big as an ant. You are slapping your own face, if you still have one. : Where is the vote? Not to say 'pass'. Do you understand what 'pass' is? Now : GOP has majority in the Sen and super majority in the House, they do not : need DEM's help to PASS bills. : : the
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t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 67 和贵ID老鼠大小的脑子讨论问题确实累。
不能Pass的法案贵党就不投了?Undo Obama Care,在奥巴马当政的时候能生效吗?贵
党咋孜孜不倦投了4,50次呢?只要贵党认为是正确的事情,贵党就会去投,最后过不
过贵党都会去做,上到Obama Care,下到加拿大油管,都是如此。轮到STEM绿卡贵党连
个Vote都没,更别说Pass了,是因为贵党觉得STEM绿卡和非法移民一样,都是不受欢迎
的人。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 你复读机阿,主党有参院46票,共和党不添3000w无证可的屁股不可能pass : 任何法案,你的明白?我左右开弓打得你脸都花了,你考虑用一下你的白卡去疗伤把 : : Now
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d******r 发帖数: 1247 | 68 学术界要是跟身份这种功利性东西绑在一起,就不是原来的学术了,民主党真是败家,
要把美国的各个角落都败掉才善罢甘休。
我支持中国人多来移民,但绝不是这种方式,会败坏学术界。
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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a*******1 发帖数: 1554 | 70 as of part那句其实也就是个客套话,现在这些法案,哪个不是几百页几千页,但核心
的就是那几句,猥琐男拿绿卡。。。 |
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F*********0 发帖数: 602 | 71 如果真这样,我就回学校读个硕士~~~~~~~~~~~~~~,兼职的也行啊
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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r****y 发帖数: 524 | 72 肯定会跟大赦非法移民绑一起的,想都不用想,那才是重点。STEM才不重要呢。 |
p******l 发帖数: 317 | 73 太搞笑了,希拉里天天画大饼满嘴跑火车,讲话做作摇头晃脑恶心虚伪。为什么总有人
舔她? |
r*****n 发帖数: 1285 | 74 稀瘌痢的话你也听?
the
engineering
【在 d*****s 的大作中提到】 : http://www.computerworld.com/article/3089314/it-careers/clinton-wants-to-staple-green-cards-on-stem-grads-diplomas.html : 刚刚宣布的政策: : Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, said she wants the : U.S. to "staple" green cards to the diplomas of non-citizens who earn : master's or Ph.D. degrees in STEM fields (science, technology, engineering : or math) "from accredited institutions." : https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/06/27/hillary- : clintons-initiative-on-technology-innovation/
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w**b 发帖数: 59 | |