m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 1 AP
Insurance premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill
passes, experts say. If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases
would level off with time.
Mar. 15: President Obama is introduced by Connie Anderson, sister of cancer
patient Natoma Canfield, who wrote the president saying she could no longer
afford her health insurance premiums.
WASHINGTON -- Buyers, beware: President Barack Obama says his health care
overhaul will lower premiums by double digits, but chec |
B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 2 原来你是卧底...
bill
cancer
longer
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
: AP
: Insurance premiums are likely to keep going up even if the health care bill
: passes, experts say. If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases
: would level off with time.
: Mar. 15: President Obama is introduced by Connie Anderson, sister of cancer
: patient Natoma Canfield, who wrote the president saying she could no longer
: afford her health insurance premiums.
: WASHINGTON -- Buyers, beware: President Barack Obama says his health care
: overhaul will lower premiums by double digits, but chec
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 3 I concur. It would be a great push to finish the bill if the health care
insurance premium rate leveled off when obama care passed.
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 原来你是卧底...
:
: bill
: cancer
: longer
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 4 only the idiots will believe in this.
just like those idiots believe in communism.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I concur. It would be a great push to finish the bill if the health care
: insurance premium rate leveled off when obama care passed.
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 5 key part:
"If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases
would level off with time."
key part of key part
"If cost controls work as advertised" |
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 6 Agreed, I hate communism as well. But any great society need to be sustained
by a fair tax system. It makes no sense to ask more for education, national
security, medicare, social security provided by government while paying
less tax from citizens. Yes, American ask better education, securer border,
higher pension check, and more............ Borrow from China is not the
solution.
yourtt (rainmaker) 的大作中提到: 】 |
m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 7 On the other hand, I believe when the premium goes up more than they hoped,
they can always say: without this bill it would have gone up even more. Just
like the stimulus bill, without which we 'would have lost more jobs'
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: only the idiots will believe in this.
: just like those idiots believe in communism.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 8 当革命小将发现抄家最终抄到自己家的时候,
当加州勒脖发现涨税竟然涨到自己头上的时候,
当useful idiots发现投资了几十年,拿到手的退休金连买菜都不够的时候...
再怎么骂娘,也已经晚了.
does
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
: key part:
: "If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases
: would level off with time."
: key part of key part
: "If cost controls work as advertised"
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 9 I guess that the bill will have the chance to work if the key parts of the
bill are executed. Although the bill is not perfect, we have the action and
will make improvement along the way. It will work like charm when the bill
is amended sensibly like US constitution.
does
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
: key part:
: "If cost controls work as advertised, annual increases
: would level off with time."
: key part of key part
: "If cost controls work as advertised"
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 10 honey, what you are asking is totally opposite from what you will be getting
under this bill.
and i am not sure what part of borrowing from china you are talking about.
All i can see is obamao has done everything following the track of
dictatorship agenda. The government dictatorship by those tyrants.
you have to understand, there has been no line of democrap or republican
politicians anymore, there is only government politician vs sheeple. All of
this massive control of the government is sth ev
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Agreed, I hate communism as well. But any great society need to be sustained
: by a fair tax system. It makes no sense to ask more for education, national
: security, medicare, social security provided by government while paying
: less tax from citizens. Yes, American ask better education, securer border,
: higher pension check, and more............ Borrow from China is not the
: solution.
: yourtt (rainmaker) 的大作中提到: 】
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 11 I can not agree more about your statement that there is no real difference
among politicians in current DC. All are agents of special interests, swayed
by hordes of locust lobbyists. They are the parties of Unions (you named it
, teacher unions, united auto union, AFO-CIO) or big businesses (walstreet
greedies, oil, gas, defense, insurance giants). But people still have power
to vote. Change is still possible. |
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 12 What will you choose between two?
1) We keep our status quo and insurance rate grows out of control. Time of
reckoning will arrive in the end. It may be too late to change.
2) We have a bill that has chance to work if all the stars align.
I choose the latter.
,
Just
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
: On the other hand, I believe when the premium goes up more than they hoped,
: they can always say: without this bill it would have gone up even more. Just
: like the stimulus bill, without which we 'would have lost more jobs'
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 13 yeah, all the stars align
when was the last time it happened in real life?
how about option 3: start from small steps and make sure each step
goes towards the right way before move to the next?
I choose this one
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: What will you choose between two?
: 1) We keep our status quo and insurance rate grows out of control. Time of
: reckoning will arrive in the end. It may be too late to change.
: 2) We have a bill that has chance to work if all the stars align.
: I choose the latter.
:
: ,
: Just
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 14 Basically your option 2 is the same as 'let's sell everything we have and
use the money to buy lottery' , if all the stars align, we win
Thank you for finally showing us what it is really about
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: What will you choose between two?
: 1) We keep our status quo and insurance rate grows out of control. Time of
: reckoning will arrive in the end. It may be too late to change.
: 2) We have a bill that has chance to work if all the stars align.
: I choose the latter.
:
: ,
: Just
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 15 to be honest, hardly i could guess to see so many useful idiots here.
they are most likely, either guv/union workers, or welfare queens, while
their sales pitch always tries really hard to hide these facts. Basically
they have sold themselves.
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
: Basically your option 2 is the same as 'let's sell everything we have and
: use the money to buy lottery' , if all the stars align, we win
: Thank you for finally showing us what it is really about
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b**u
发帖数: 1206 | 16 几天前回你的贴子。
There are something I would like you to think it over before say "lots of
smart people say so".
1. Do you trust politicians' BS meanwhile you DO know that all these
Obamacare numbers don't add up at all? Or do you trust your common sense,
knowing that all things government run runs to ground.
2. If you wants to try it, good! But why don't you try it in your back yard?
See how MA is doing? Don't you know that in industry you need to test in
lab scale before enlarge it to the factory. Wh
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: What will you choose between two?
: 1) We keep our status quo and insurance rate grows out of control. Time of
: reckoning will arrive in the end. It may be too late to change.
: 2) We have a bill that has chance to work if all the stars align.
: I choose the latter.
:
: ,
: Just
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 17 Your choice may be better. But we are not living in a ideal world. We have
two party system. Democrats want to have a do-it-all bill and Republics want
to do nothing, which I have stated many times. So we have to choose less
evil among evils.
1. Do nothing----repub's master plan to keep the profit and bonus of
insurance companies
2. Current bill-demo's plan but not the preferred because there is no public
options dreamed by liberals.
3.You plan small step a time, no advocator in DC. Maybe Ron Pa
【在 m***s 的大作中提到】
: yeah, all the stars align
: when was the last time it happened in real life?
: how about option 3: start from small steps and make sure each step
: goes towards the right way before move to the next?
: I choose this one
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 18 Sorry I miss your post. What I want to tell you is following, we are little
guy with no sway on what the big boy wants to do. We can not buy ad in prime
time and donate millions to politicians from special interest. We have very
little choice, vote for repbulic, demo or sitting at home. Of course, we
may have ideas that may work better than what includes in the bill. But so
what. The reality is that we always have to choose a less evil among evils.
You have to consider whether alternative is wor
【在 b**u 的大作中提到】
: 几天前回你的贴子。
: There are something I would like you to think it over before say "lots of
: smart people say so".
: 1. Do you trust politicians' BS meanwhile you DO know that all these
: Obamacare numbers don't add up at all? Or do you trust your common sense,
: knowing that all things government run runs to ground.
: 2. If you wants to try it, good! But why don't you try it in your back yard?
: See how MA is doing? Don't you know that in industry you need to test in
: lab scale before enlarge it to the factory. Wh
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 19 Another point is that we the middle class will pay it anyway. If they do not
tax more, government will shit the cost to debt. How will this country to
pay those huge debts. It is called secretive tax, inflation. So our hard
earn money loses purchasing power. $1 may worth less than 50 cents in 10
years.
【在 b**u 的大作中提到】
: 几天前回你的贴子。
: There are something I would like you to think it over before say "lots of
: smart people say so".
: 1. Do you trust politicians' BS meanwhile you DO know that all these
: Obamacare numbers don't add up at all? Or do you trust your common sense,
: knowing that all things government run runs to ground.
: 2. If you wants to try it, good! But why don't you try it in your back yard?
: See how MA is doing? Don't you know that in industry you need to test in
: lab scale before enlarge it to the factory. Wh
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 20 We can only win the game when super riches with income more than million
dollars pay more than what we the middle class pay. So I agree with the idea
to tax interests, dividends, capital gains as regular income. The main
income for riches are interests, dividends, and capital gains. They do not
pay social security and medicare tax on nonsalary income which of course
have very low marginal tax rate. A sweetheart deal reached long time ago
between billionaires and politicians behind closed doors. |
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b**u
发帖数: 1206 | 21 I agree the part "we the middle class will pay it anyway". But at least what
we can do is stop spending like there is no tomorrow.
If you are in a hole, you don't dig a deeper hole to get yourself out.
Instead, balance your budget and live within your means.
The healthcare is a giant hole. Everyone realize it need to be fixed. But
the root cause it to reduce the waste and chop down the premium. Not
introducing the bureaucrat government into this swamp. They can do nothing
but make it worse.
not
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Another point is that we the middle class will pay it anyway. If they do not
: tax more, government will shit the cost to debt. How will this country to
: pay those huge debts. It is called secretive tax, inflation. So our hard
: earn money loses purchasing power. $1 may worth less than 50 cents in 10
: years.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 22 It is so nice you point out another approach. I just regret I miss it after
submission of my post. Tax more for riches or cut spending or preferably
both. If you are not mistaken, entitlement mentality runs so deep among
democrats AND republics that even the republics have no political will to do
it. Maybe Ron Paul. Is it this guy called Bush and his minion Republic
congress who pass medicare part D, prescription drug benefit for seniors to
buy votes and add another trillion dollar deficit to th
【在 b**u 的大作中提到】
: I agree the part "we the middle class will pay it anyway". But at least what
: we can do is stop spending like there is no tomorrow.
: If you are in a hole, you don't dig a deeper hole to get yourself out.
: Instead, balance your budget and live within your means.
: The healthcare is a giant hole. Everyone realize it need to be fixed. But
: the root cause it to reduce the waste and chop down the premium. Not
: introducing the bureaucrat government into this swamp. They can do nothing
: but make it worse.
:
: not
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 23 老兄? 你talking points读完了没有?
you liberal idiots even have the guts talking about buying votes?
the debt generated during the first 8 month of obama surpass all 8 years
bush combined. where the money goes? goes to the wall street suckers, goes
to big labor, big union, goes to the government bureaucrats.
this is the fact, period.
after
do
to
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: It is so nice you point out another approach. I just regret I miss it after
: submission of my post. Tax more for riches or cut spending or preferably
: both. If you are not mistaken, entitlement mentality runs so deep among
: democrats AND republics that even the republics have no political will to do
: it. Maybe Ron Paul. Is it this guy called Bush and his minion Republic
: congress who pass medicare part D, prescription drug benefit for seniors to
: buy votes and add another trillion dollar deficit to th
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 24 This country is full of conservative rednecks, and liberal useful idiots.
what do you know...
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 老兄? 你talking points读完了没有?
: you liberal idiots even have the guts talking about buying votes?
: the debt generated during the first 8 month of obama surpass all 8 years
: bush combined. where the money goes? goes to the wall street suckers, goes
: to big labor, big union, goes to the government bureaucrats.
: this is the fact, period.
:
: after
: do
: to
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 25 It seems to me that the budget of first 9 months of 2009 is the Bush's
budget. Obama do not have chance to propose new budget until now, which is
2010.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 老兄? 你talking points读完了没有?
: you liberal idiots even have the guts talking about buying votes?
: the debt generated during the first 8 month of obama surpass all 8 years
: bush combined. where the money goes? goes to the wall street suckers, goes
: to big labor, big union, goes to the government bureaucrats.
: this is the fact, period.
:
: after
: do
: to
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 26 你知道为什么你被称作useful idiot吗?
你知道为什么,你们这么pathetic吗?
Obama Signs Stimulus Into Law
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123487951033799545.html
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: It seems to me that the budget of first 9 months of 2009 is the Bush's
: budget. Obama do not have chance to propose new budget until now, which is
: 2010.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 27 You mean that this is the budget of year 2009? This is a emergency measure
to preventing the great depression and save the economy. If you look at the
stock market, the plan works. The market predicts what will come in next 6-
12 months. Since it is rally to a new 52 weeks high, our economy will be in
much better shape in the future. If you do not like the law, i guess that
you will not claim "$800 make the work pay credit" in this year's tax return
. You must have already return $1200 bush's st
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你知道为什么你被称作useful idiot吗?
: 你知道为什么,你们这么pathetic吗?
: Obama Signs Stimulus Into Law
: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123487951033799545.html
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 28 当然work了,你丫印了这么多钞票砸华尔街.等于政府入市,再不涨真要见鬼了.
how about main street?
where are the freaking jobs?
the
in
return
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You mean that this is the budget of year 2009? This is a emergency measure
: to preventing the great depression and save the economy. If you look at the
: stock market, the plan works. The market predicts what will come in next 6-
: 12 months. Since it is rally to a new 52 weeks high, our economy will be in
: much better shape in the future. If you do not like the law, i guess that
: you will not claim "$800 make the work pay credit" in this year's tax return
: . You must have already return $1200 bush's st
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 29 Job always comes at the later cycle of economy recovery. Businesses recover
first by cutting expenses including laying off people in recession. When
consumer consumption slowly increases, company will begin to hire, part time
first then permanent jobs.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 当然work了,你丫印了这么多钞票砸华尔街.等于政府入市,再不涨真要见鬼了.
: how about main street?
: where are the freaking jobs?
:
: the
: in
: return
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 30 如果你只懂得读书,不懂得思考,那跟蠢驴没有什么区别了.
consumer手里怎么能有钱?
recover
time
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Job always comes at the later cycle of economy recovery. Businesses recover
: first by cutting expenses including laying off people in recession. When
: consumer consumption slowly increases, company will begin to hire, part time
: first then permanent jobs.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 31 In order to relief the pain of losing jobs in recession, the government
always uses stimulant measures to create temporary jobs and hands out semi-
permanent unemployment check.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 当然work了,你丫印了这么多钞票砸华尔街.等于政府入市,再不涨真要见鬼了.
: how about main street?
: where are the freaking jobs?
:
: the
: in
: return
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 32 不就是政府工作嘛.
政府工作对社会有产出吗?鸡血当然可以打,打完以后呢?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: In order to relief the pain of losing jobs in recession, the government
: always uses stimulant measures to create temporary jobs and hands out semi-
: permanent unemployment check.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 33 嘿嘿,又想起了当年跟人辩黄金,辩两房了.
事过境迁,那些书呆子都不知道哪里去了.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 不就是政府工作嘛.
: 政府工作对社会有产出吗?鸡血当然可以打,打完以后呢?
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 34 Time will solve this problem. People work and save. More money in bank in
one or two years. Then they will feel good again and start to spend. It is
just a cycle of economic activity. |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 35 lol...
这洗脑被洗成这样,也并不是不常见的.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Time will solve this problem. People work and save. More money in bank in
: one or two years. Then they will feel good again and start to spend. It is
: just a cycle of economic activity.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 36 It is not government jobs it is jobs temporarily provided by government
investment. Then we wait the economy to come out of the recession to create
permanent private jobs.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 嘿嘿,又想起了当年跟人辩黄金,辩两房了.
: 事过境迁,那些书呆子都不知道哪里去了.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 37 Maybe or maybe not. Recession always ends and Economy always recovers. There is no end of world. There exists nothing that time can not solve. Be patient and you will be rewarded to understand basics of economy by investing.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: lol...
: 这洗脑被洗成这样,也并不是不常见的.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 38 lol...
investment! today i invested some time to educate you, hopefully, that will
turn into sth good in the future.
create
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: It is not government jobs it is jobs temporarily provided by government
: investment. Then we wait the economy to come out of the recession to create
: permanent private jobs.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 39 first, you have to understand what has worked after all.
There
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Maybe or maybe not. Recession always ends and Economy always recovers. There is no end of world. There exists nothing that time can not solve. Be patient and you will be rewarded to understand basics of economy by investing.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 40 hello. Building roads and increasing science budgets are one kind of
investment.
will
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: lol...
: investment! today i invested some time to educate you, hopefully, that will
: turn into sth good in the future.
:
: create
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 41 Do you actually know what are the things the stimulus money has been
spent for?
e.g.
The City of Redmond, Washington wants to spend $11 million stimulus to build
a bridge connecting two adjacent portions of Microsoft headquarters.
Senator Tom Harkin's nearly $2 million stimulus earmarked for swine odor
research in Iowa. Now, what is there to research? Pigs stink. They can taste
good. And senators love pork.
and here is another good one.
It is an earmark of $200,000 stimulus for gang tattoo remov
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: hello. Building roads and increasing science budgets are one kind of
: investment.
:
: will
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 42 you are trying to pick bones in eggs. there is no 100% efficiency charity.
Lots of money is always used in administration, traveling solicitation, and
other misc. fee. If a measure reaches its goal, it is a success. The waste
is called collateral damage when it is small enough. You are talking about
several millions here and there in a 780 billion bill, and this is less than
0.1% of the money. You can not get rid of them. You are too idealistic and
want to achieve something never achieved in his
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Do you actually know what are the things the stimulus money has been
: spent for?
: e.g.
: The City of Redmond, Washington wants to spend $11 million stimulus to build
: a bridge connecting two adjacent portions of Microsoft headquarters.
: Senator Tom Harkin's nearly $2 million stimulus earmarked for swine odor
: research in Iowa. Now, what is there to research? Pigs stink. They can taste
: good. And senators love pork.
: and here is another good one.
: It is an earmark of $200,000 stimulus for gang tattoo remov
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 43 honey,
the government is controlling private business. who is freaking controlling
the government?
And hell who is able to control the government?
I think i have already illustrated it loud and clear, or your brain indeed
is not developed enuf to handle this.
and
than
and
be
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: you are trying to pick bones in eggs. there is no 100% efficiency charity.
: Lots of money is always used in administration, traveling solicitation, and
: other misc. fee. If a measure reaches its goal, it is a success. The waste
: is called collateral damage when it is small enough. You are talking about
: several millions here and there in a 780 billion bill, and this is less than
: 0.1% of the money. You can not get rid of them. You are too idealistic and
: want to achieve something never achieved in his
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 44 You do not need to throw insult to others whol have different perspectives.
We prosper because diversity. Only zombies agree to everything being told.
As I said, voter has the power to change the government. But taxpayer will
not act until their fortune are affected. Too many families in this country
are very rich and they just do not care. |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 45 you believe in whatever you want to believe in.
If your belief is lack of any solid fact or logic to back it up, I deem it
as a religion. Even though you have the very freedom to practice your
communism religion, it can not stop us, we, who hold facts and logic to
think you bunch are idiots! Because that is my freedom too.
do you understand?
.
country
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You do not need to throw insult to others whol have different perspectives.
: We prosper because diversity. Only zombies agree to everything being told.
: As I said, voter has the power to change the government. But taxpayer will
: not act until their fortune are affected. Too many families in this country
: are very rich and they just do not care.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 46 of course I do. I learned a long time ago that people never won a debate.
Silent majority of audiences and readers hold the power to judge not us.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you believe in whatever you want to believe in.
: If your belief is lack of any solid fact or logic to back it up, I deem it
: as a religion. Even though you have the very freedom to practice your
: communism religion, it can not stop us, we, who hold facts and logic to
: think you bunch are idiots! Because that is my freedom too.
: do you understand?
:
: .
: country
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 47 Absolutely, if truth is what they are seeking.
lol...
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: of course I do. I learned a long time ago that people never won a debate.
: Silent majority of audiences and readers hold the power to judge not us.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 48 including you and me.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Absolutely, if truth is what they are seeking.
: lol...
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