1Policeman on Brown: 'He Grabbed My Gun, He Twisted It, Pointed at Me'
November 25, 2014 - 12:26 PM
By Brittany M. Hughes
(CNSNews.com) – One day after fatally shooting Michael Brown, an unarmed
black teenager, Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson, who is white,
gave his account of the incident to two detectives from the St. Louis County
Police Department, explaining in detail how Brown attacked him through the
police car’s open window, wrestled for the officer’s gun, and then pointed
it at him.
"My duty bag was on the passenger seat," said Wilson. "I wasn’t willing to
give up more of my vehicle and my body to him to lean over and grab it and
turn away from him. I thought I was already compromised enough.
"I drew my firearm, I pointed at him. .... 'Stop I’m going to shoot you' is
what I ordered him to get on the ground," Wilson said. "He said, 'You’re
too much of a fucking pussy to shoot me' and grabbed my gun. When he grabbed
my gun, he twisted it, pointed at me and into my hip, pelvic area."
“At that point," Wilson said, "I was guaranteed he was going to shoot me.”
Though Brown’s death on Aug. 9 sparked a rash of racially driven, violent
protests in support of the teenager, Wilson’s statement was only released
to the public on Monday, Nov. 24, after a grand jury decided not to indict
the police officer in Brown’s shooting.
The following is the transcript of Wilson’s statements to the police
detectives on the morning of August 10:
Detective: Today is Sunday, August 10th, 2014 and the time is 10:16 am. This
is Detective (name removed) with the St. Louis County Police Department,
Bureau of Crimes Against Persons.
Detective: I’m here in a conference room on the Division of Criminal
Investigation at the St. Louis County Police Headquarter’s building. Also
present in the room with me is Detective (removed), also of the Bureau of
Crimes Against Persons, and we are conducting an interview in reference to
St. Louis County Complaint Number 14-43 984 and an associated report
completed by Ferguson Police Department at 14-12391. Also present in the
conference room is police officer…and would you say your name for the
Wilson: Darren Wilson.
Michael Brown, who was fatally shot by Police Officer Darren Wilson in
Ferguson, Mo., on Aug. 9, 2014.
Detective: And Darren, what is your DSN?
Wilson: (Response removed)
Detective: Okay. And, present with you is your attorney, and you yesterday
had previously had a conversation with…with Detective (name removed), is
Detective: Okay. And that took place at a, the Ferguson Police Department.
Is that correct?
Wilson: It started there, yes.
Detective: Okay, and then it continued, a, when you had received medical
Detective: Right. Okay. Um, this is a, obviously a follow-up interview a, to
that interview and, a, this portion is obviously being recorded. You’re
okay with us recording this, is that okay?
Wilson: Yes sir.
Detective: Okay. Alright. Here, I’m gonna show you just, this is a from the
County’s website, it is a map of the area in question okay, if you need to
– to make reference to this, feel free to go ahead and do so. Okay? And
then, let me just ask you a couple a more kinda administrative questions
here before we get started, okay? Um, your DSN one more time?
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Wilson: (Response removed)
Detective: Okay. And you are a police officer with…?
Wilson: Ferguson Police Department.
Detective: Okay. And, how long have you been with Ferguson?
Wilson: Three years.
Detective: Okay. And, how long have you been a police officer for?
Wilson: Five years.
Detective: Where did you work before you worked at Ferguson?
Wilson: Jennings Police Department.
Detective: Okay. So, you were with Jennings, roughly two?
Detective: Okay. And this incident took place yesterday. Roughly 12:04 pm.
and yesterday would’ve been the 9th of August. Okay, so on the 9th of
August, what were your duty hours?
Wilson: 6:30 am. to 6:30 pm.
Detective: Okay, so a twelve-hour shift, right?
Detective: Okay. And, um, and you -- when you were on duty on that day what
were you wearing?
Wilson: My full department-issued uniform.
Detective: Okay, which consist of what?
Wilson: A, duty boots, 3 dark navy cargo pants, a duty belt, a uniform
police department short-sleeve shirt, badge, radio.
Detective: Um, and then, were you in a marked vehicle? Is that correct?
Detective: Okay. What vehicle was that?
Detective: And, that is a…what type of vehicle?
Wilson: It’s a Tahoe police vehicle.
Detective: Okay. And, it’s fully marked?
Detective: Okay, and it has lights on top?
Wilson: Yes sir.
Detective: Okay. And a, did you have a radio number that’s different than
your-than your car number or your -- How do you guys identify yourself?
Wilson: Frank 21 was my call sign yesterday.
Detective: Is that what it always is? Or, is that just for that shift.
Wilson: It rotates depending on what sector I ride that day.
Detective: Okay. What sector were you riding yesterday?
Wilson: One sector.
Detective: Sector one?
Detective: Okay. And, so um, when this incident took place, were you a, on a
call, in the middle of a call, going to a call, on patrol? What were you
Wilson: I had just left a call.
Detective: Okay. What kind of call had you just left?
Wilson: A sick case.
Detective: Okay, and where was that at? Do you recall?
Wilson: (Responds with address, removed). I think it’s was the address.
Detective: Okay. Alright. And, so you left that, that address and where did
you go from there?
Wilson: I went down Bahama to Glen Owen then down Glen Owen to Windward and
then Windward turns into Canfield and thus leaving the apartment complex.
Detective: Okay. And what takes place as you’re -- as you’re on Canfield?
Wilson: Well, as I left the sick case call I had heard on the radio that
there was a stealing in progress from the Ferguson Market on West Florissant
. I heard a brief description of black male with a black t-shirt. Um, as I
was driving out down Canfield westbound I observed two black males walking
in the center of the roadway on the center yellow line.
Detective: Okay. Roughly, where were you at on Canfield? Do you know?
Wilson: Um, right about in this area right here.
Wilson: Kinda in between this Copper Creek…
Detective: You’re identifying . . . okay, you’re identifying Canfield and
Detective: …the…on the map, is that right?
Wilson: Yes, and I was going this direction.
Detective: You were. . .which would mean you were
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Wilson: Um, they had been walking in the middle. I remember seeing two cars
I believe go around them and they moved. I pulled up to them, stopped with
them about at my hood as they kept walking towards me. I told them, “Hey
guys, why don’t you walk on the sidewalk.” The first one said, um, “We’
re almost to our destination,” and pointed this direction. So, I guess that
Detective: So, you’re pointed into the complex there?
Wilson: I said, “Okay, but what’s wrong with the sidewalk?” And then that
was as they
were passing my window the second subject said, “Fuck what you have to say.”
Wilson: And, then after that I put the vehicle in reverse, backed up about
ten feet to them, ah, attempted to open my door. Prior to backing up I did
call out on the radio. I said, “Frank 21, out with two, send me another car
Detective: Did you identify the location where you were at?
Wilson: I said on Canfield. I don’t think I said the hundred. . .or the
block, but Canfield’s only this section.
Wilson: I could’ve said 3000 which is right here, so I’m right at the
I back up ten feet, I go to open my door, say, “Hey, come here.” He said,
“What the fuck are you gonna do?” And, he shut my door on me. Ah, the door
was only open maybe a foot. I didn’t have a chance to get my leg out. I
shut the door and he came up and approached the door. I opened the door
again trying to push him back and tell him to get back. Um, he said
something. I’m not sure exactly what it was and then started swinging and
punching at me from outside the vehicle.
Detective: Okay. So, he’s outside the vehicle?
Detective: And, where are you at at this point?
Wilson: Sitting in the driver’s seat.
Detective: Okay. And, the door is, is
Detective: And, how’d it shut?
Wilson: It’s shut. He has his body against the door preventing me from
Detective: Okay. How is he -- how is he preventing you from opening it? Body
Wilson: Body against it.
Detective: …or hands?
Wilson: And was. . .at that point it was his body, because his stomach was
against the door. His hands were inside on me.
Wilson: When he shut the door the second time he put his hands on the
windowsill and shut the door and then approached the door with his body
against it and he was a heavier set taller subject enough to where he had to
duck his head to come into my vehicle and he entered my vehicle with his
hands, arms, and his head. . assaulting me. He a….
Detective: How is he assaulting you?
Wilson: The first time he had struck me somewhere in this area but it was
like a glancing blow because I was able to defend a little bit. Um, after
that he, I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my
face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his. . .if
he’s at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He
said, “Here take these.” He was holding a pack of -- several packs of
cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store, was
several packs of cigarillos. He said, “Here hold these.” And when he did
that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point.
Um, as I was holding it, and he came around he came around with his arm
extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his. . .a
full swing with his left hand.
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Detective: And, the hand that he had used to hand off the…
Detective: …the cigarillos.
Detective: Okay, did he have anything in his hand at that point?
Wilson: After he hit me the second time?
Detective: When you, you said, you identified that he came around with a
Detective: How was his hand?
Wilson: It was closed. It was in a fist.
Wilson: He hit me with this part of his hand, just like this across my cheek.
Wilson: Um, after that, it kinda jarred me back and I yelled at him numerous
times to stop and get back. I believe somewhere in there I put my hand up
trying to just get him away from me and there I was, I was already trapped
and didn’t know what he was gonna do to me but I knew it wasn’t gonna be
good. Had me, I physic . . .or mentally started thinking what do I do next?
Um, I started off with my mace. . . couldn’t reach it with my right hand. I
was using this hand to block and all that. And, I know how
Detective: You were using…
Wilson: …my left hand was blocking.
Detective: …that’s closest to the door.
Wilson: Yeah. I was just trying to keep him off me and get him back. Um, I
tried to go for my mace, I couldn’t reach around my body to grab it and I
know how mace affects me so if I used that in that close proximity I was
gonna be disabled per se. And, I didn’t know if it was even gonna work on
him if I would be able to get a clear shot or anything else. Um, then like I
was thinking like picturing my belt going around it, I don’t carry a taser
so that option was gone and even if I had one with a cartridge on there, it
probably wouldn’t have hit him anywhere. Next, I go to my asp. I couldn’t
get on sits behind me I couldn’t reach it couldn’t expand it. I have a
flashlight I carry in my bag. My duty bag was on the passenger seat. I wasn
’t willing to give up more of my vehicle and my body to him to lean over
and grab it and turn away from him. Um, I thought I was already compromised
enough. I drew my firearm, I pointed at him. . . “Stop I’m going to shoot
you” is what I ordered him to get on the ground. He said, “You’re too
much of a fucking pussy to shoot me?” And grabbed my gun. When he grabbed
my gun, he twisted it, pointed at me and into my hip, pelvic area.
Detective: How did he grab it?
Wilson: With his hand over the top. I’m not sure which hand he grabbed it
Detective: One hand or two hands or. .
Wilson: I think one but then I don’t know.
Wilson: Um, I know his hand was around my trigger finger, which was inside
the trigger guard. Um, and when he grabbed it he pushed it down and angled
it to where it was like this in my hip.
Detective: Okay, and -- and just for the purpose of the recording, can you
just explain what you’re demonstrating right now?
Wilson: The, my firearm was in his control around my hand pointed directly
into my hip.
Detective: Okay, you’re -- you’re holding the gun in your…
Wilson: …right hand.
Detective: Right hand. Okay, and your right hand is holding the gun and the
gun is now being pointed into your left hip.
Detective: Okay. Go ahead and continue.
Wilson: At that point, I was guaranteed he was going to shoot me. That’s
what I thought his -- his goal was. He had already manipulated I was not in
control of the gun. I was able to tilt myself a little bit and push it down
and away towards the side of my hip and kinda lock my wrist into my leg to
where he couldn’t get it back up because I did not have enough strength to
come up and force him off of me. He was -- he had me completely overpowered
while I was sitting in the car. Then I took my left arm and I pinned it
against my back seat and pushed the gun forward like this.
Detective: Okay, and just for the purposes of the recording again, just
explain what you’re doing.
Wilson: My left elbow locked into the back of my seat.
Wilson: …took my left hand, placed it against his and my hand on the side
of my firearm and pushed forward both of my arms.
Detective: Towards what would be the steering wheel then? Is that…?
Wilson: It ended up being right about where the door handle is on the Tahoe.
Wilson: When it got there I saw that it was somewhat lined up with his
silhouette and pulled the trigger. Nothing happened. Pulled it again,
nothing happened. Um, I believe his fingers were over in between from the
hammer and the slide preventing it from firing.
Wilson: Um, I tried again. It fired. When it fired, my window had been down
the entire time. Glass shot up. The first thing I remember seeing is glass
flying and blood all over my right hand on the backside of my hand. Um, he
looked like he was shocked initially but, and he paused for a second and
then he came back into my vehicle and attempted to hit me multiple times.
Detective: Okay, you said came back in your vehicle. What’d you mean?
Wilson: He had, after I had shot and the glass came up, he took like a half-
step back and then realized he was okay, still I’m assuming. He came back
towards my vehicle and ducked in again his whole top half of his body came
in and tried to hit me again.
Detective: How is he trying to hit you?
Wilson: Fist, grab, I mean just crazy. Just random, anything he could get a
hold of swinging wildly. And then at that point I put my hand up like this
and tried to fire again and my left hand was up blocking my face.
Wilson: Um, my right hand was still on my lap pointing towards the door
handle. I tried to fire again, just a click. Nothing happened. After the
click, I racked it and as I racked it, it just came up and shot again. Um…
Detective: And, just for the purpose of racking, you’re-you’re meaning
Wilson: I took the slide and cleared the chamb. . .the round out thinking it
Wilson: Um, after the round was cleared out, I brought it up and I shot
again. When I shot that time, a, I was still in this position blocking
myself and just shooting to where he was because he was still there. Um,
when I turned and looked, I realized I had missed I saw a, like dust in the
background and he was running eastbound on Canfield.
Detective: Okay, and you said you shot that second time, right? Where did
that round…did you shoot that round through. . .at the door or the window,
Wilson: I’m not sure.
Wilson: I’m not exactly sure. It was a, just one of these to get him off me.
Wilson: Um, he ran east on Canfield. I exited my vehicle and I said, I got
on the radio and said, “Shots fired. Send me more cars.” It wasn’t found
till later my radio had been switched in the struggle, my person radio to
Detective: What side of your body is your radio on?
Wilson: My left side.
Detective: Okay, and you carry that on your belt?
Wilson: Um, it’s on one of the swivel holsters so it always faces up when I
’m sitting down.
Detective: Okay, and what’s channel three for you guys?
Wilson: I believe it’s county radio.
Wilson: Um, our chann. . .our main channel is channel one. So, I get out, I
say that. He runs from this intersection where I originally told you towards
this entrance to this parking lot. Um. ..
Detective: Okay, and you’re saying that you were originally at Canfield and
Copper Creek, right?
Wilson: Can I draw on this for you?
Wilson: My vehicle was like (mumbles pen not working) was like right there,
if you can see that.
Wilson: He had ran around my vehicle in this direction.
Wilson: I exited. I followed him in that direction. After I said on the
radio, “Shots fired.
Send me more cars,” I was yelling at him to stop and get on the ground. He
kept running and then eventually he stopped in this area somewhere. When he
stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the
most intense aggressive face I’ve ever seen on a person. When he looked at
me, he then did like the hop. . .you know like people do to start running.
And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right
hand put it under his shirt and into his waistband. And I ordered him to
stop and get on the ground again. He didn’t; I fired multiple shots. After
I fired the multiple shots I paused for a second, yelled at him to get on
the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging, hands
still in his waistband, hadn’t slowed down. I fired another set of shots.
Same thing, still running at me hadn’t slowed down, hands still in his
waistband. He gets about eight to ten feet away, he’s still coming at me in
the same way. I fired more shots. One of those, however many of them hit on
him in the head and he went down right there. When he went down his hand
was still under his, his right hand was still under his body looked like it
was still in his waistband. I never touched him. I said um, got on the radio
and said, “Send me every car we got and a supervisor.” Fifteen to twenty
seconds later, two marked cars show up, code three sirens and lights on.
They started blocking everything off. A moment later my supervisor shows up
and he sent me to the police station.
Detective: Okay. When a, let’s just continue with this. When you get to the
police station, what’d you do?
Wilson: I went into the bathroom to wash the blood off and I had also
realized I had blood on the inside of my left hand from my fingertips to
about my wrist.
Detective: Okay, so you had blood on your left hand?
Wilson: And the back of my right hand.
Wilson: Um, at that point, I believe the blood was from after I originally
fired, the very first shot that fired and he came back in to hit me, was
from him like me blocking is how I got this. Because I was not cut or
Detective: Okay, so you think that was his blood then?
Wilson: Yes, I think and same on the back of my right hand. I think it was
Wilson: I went right to the bathroom and had to wash it off. I washed the
blood off. I went into our roll call room, I took my belt off, I took my gun
out, I made it safe, and I sealed it in an evidence envelope.
Detective: Okay. Okay. And then did you remain at the station then
Wilson: Yes, I did.
Detective: …you would’ve talked, spoken with Detective (…)?
Detective: Okay. Okay, um, I just wanna ask you a couple, clarify things
here, okay? How many times do you think he struck you when you were sitting
inside your vehicle?
Wilson: Solid blows to my face struck? Or, just made contact with me?
Detective: A, both.
Wilson: Made contact with me, numerous. I mean I’d say excess of ten. His
hands were all over me.
Wilson: Um, solid blows, I’d say at least two.
Detective: Okay. And, that was to where on your face?
Wilson: My face, my jaw line. Both sides.
Detective: Okay. And then, what commands were you giving him in the car?
Wilson: “Stop and get back.”
Detective: Okay. Was he saying anything to you at that point?
Wilson: He was but I don’t know what it was. I was not focused on him
talking. My mind had switched to of the training mode of how do I survive to
get passed this?
Detective: Okay. How many times do you think you said, “Stop get back”?
Wilson: The entire time I was talking, saying, “Stop get back.”
Detective: Alright. When he puts, um, when he grabs your gun, how long do
you think he’s…he’s holding your gun or has his hand or hands on your gun?
Wilson: Hmm…ten seconds.
Detective: Okay. And, during that time, what are you saying?
Wilson: “Get back.”
Detective: Okay. Um, he comes back in to the car a second time…
Detective: …after you have fired that first shot, right?
Wilson: That was actually his third time re-entering the car.
Detective: The third time entering the car?
Detective: Okay. He comes back in at that point, right?
Detective: Roughly how long is that portion of it?
Wilson: That one was fairly quick. Um, he came in and there was a few wild
swings at me, attempts to grab, and then fled.
Detective: Does he touch your gun on that second…
Wilson: I don’t know.
Detective: …that second time. Okay. Alright.
Wilson: There was blood on my gun whenever I sealed it in the bag.
Detective: Okay. Alright, um, you exit your vehicle…
Detective: And, obviously, this map we’re looking at here is to scale. I
don’t have any expectation that we’re talking on scale here, okay. Roughly
, how far do you think he-he runs?
Wilson: Originally, 20 to 30 feet. Playing it back last night, there were
two cars parked behind me. He ran passed that second car.
Wilson: I didn’t run as far as him. I stopped and I gave our self at least
a 20-foot gap between me and him. Because when he stopped running, I stopped
running. He had already had a head start on me and I maintained that
distance whenever he stopped. So, I don’t know the exact. I can’t give you
a num. . .a number.
Detective: Okay, alright. And, what are the commands you’re saying? As you
Wilson: “Get on the ground.”
Detective: Okay. And, does he comply?
Detective: At any point?
Detective: He turns around?
Detective: Right? And, what’s his posture at that point?
Wilson: Very aggressive. Um, he is I don’t really know how to describe it.
Um, he turns, I looked at his face. It was just like intense. It was, I’ve
never seen anybody look that, for lack of a better words, crazy. I’ve never
seen that. I mean, it was very aggravated, um aggressive, hostile. Just,
you couldn’t, you could, you could tell he was looking through ya. There
was nothing he was seeing. Um, he had kind of, he did like that hop and
started running and when he did he was kinda leaning forward a little bit
and then right as he started his hand went in his pants.
Detective: Okay. And, you said his hand went in his pants and what hand are
we talking about?
Wilson: His right hand.
Detective: Okay. And, you said you stopped, mark me if I’m wrong, but 20-
feet away from him, right?
Detective: What was, what was that distance. . . and I know we’re-we’re
not talking Exact but did you maintain that distance or did it get closer?
Wilson: A, I did not maintain it. It did get closer but not at the rate of
which it could’ve if I had stood still. I was backing up. When he started
running, I started backing up after the first round of shots and he still
hadn’t gone down and was still coming just as fast as he was, I backed up
at a faster rate. The entire time I was going backwards.
Detective: How far do you think you were backing up?
Wilson: I probably backed up at least ten feet in the process.
Detective: Okay. And, how far do you think he went from the time that he
stopped, a, and turned around until the time that he went, that he went down
to the ground?
Wilson: At least 15.
Wilson: Feet, at least.
Detective: Okay. Alright.
Wilson: Because if I would’ve stayed where I had stopped and he had, like
where we originally started at that point. If I would’ve stayed he would’
ve been on me.
Detective: Okay. What were you, a, what were you thinking as this event is
Wilson: He’s gonna kill me.
Detective: Okay. Anything else?
Wilson: How do I survive? I mean it was, the whole time it was a very non. .
.it started was a very non-confrontational. “Can you just walk on the
sidewalk?” Um, I downplayed the whole issue because I didn’t want a
confrontation. Ya know, then after he made his comments I realized
cigarillos ya know, then I was like well I gotta stop and talk to the guy.
Detective: I, I’m sorry. Say that part again.
Wilson: I have to stop and talk to the guy.
Detective: Because. .
Wilson: The comments he said and the cigarillos in his hands judging by the
call we just had as well.
Wilson: Um, and after that is when it instantly turned into how do I live
through this basically.
Wilson: I didn’t never at any point did I have control of him. I mean, he-
he manipulated me while I was in the vehicle, completely.
Detective: Alright. This second individual that was with him…
Wilson: Uh huh.
Detective: What does he do?
Wilson: After he hands off the stuff, I never see him again.
Detective: You don’t know where he went. You don’t know?
Wilson: I believe he ran around the back of my car towards that direction he
I don’t know. I said I. . .I couldn’t observe anything else but the guy
that was in my face. He was big enough to take up my whole window and I didn
’t have an option to look at anything else.
Detective: Okay. What type of weapon do you carry?
Wilson: A, the Sig 229.
Wilson: Yeah, it’s the same (UI).
Detective: What caliber is it?
Wilson: It’s a .40 caliber.
Detective: Okay. And how many rounds does that weapon hold?
Wilson: It holds 12 in the magazine and I had one in the chamber.
Detective: Okay. And, is that how you carry it?
Detective: That’s how you were carrying it yesterday?
Detective: Okay. So, 12 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber for a
total of 13, correct?
Detective: And it’s a .40 caliber weapon?
Detective: And, roughly, do you know how many times you fired?
Detective: Okay. And. . .is that the only weapon that you fired?
Detective: Alright. From the time that you first made contact with him, okay
, or first talked to both these individuals until the time that -- that he
goes down to the ground, roughly how long is that?
Wilson: Less than a minute.
Detective: Okay. Um, how long do you think you’re in the car for?
Wilson: I was in my vehicle.
Detective: Between the time that you made contact with him and when you’re
in the car until the time that you actually get out of your car. How long do
you think that
Wilson: Thirty seconds or so.
Wilson: I mean that was the majority of it. Once we got out, I mean, I didn
’t run very far or very long, um, and that’s when the shooting started.
Detective: Okay, alright. And, um, describe your injuries.
Wilson: 1 had, um, some redness to my left jaw line then I had swollen right
cheek and jaw. I had scratches on my back and neck, on my shoulders. I
guess my shoulders up to my hairline was scratches and red marks.
Detective: Okay. Did you see anybody else outside when this was taking place?
Wilson: When it was actually in progress, no.
Detective: Okay. And, other officers arrived after um, he had already went
down to the ground, is that correct?
Detective: Okay. Once the, um, I guess, encounter stopped. . .did…did you
or anybody else I guess, call for an ambulance?
Detective: For the suspect?
Wilson: Um…He did.
Detective: Okay, the -- the police officers. Was he the first assist officer
Wilson: They, the two that arrived were both on that stealing call together.
They both were on the scene simultaneously.
Wilson: He was the first one that made it to me.
Detective: Okay. Um, and then a, the other question I would have is, can you
describe the urn, you said there was two subjects. The first subjects I
guess the one that -- that fled, um from the stop. . .can you describe him
Wilson: Shorter black male, 5-5ish, 120-130 weight, really dark-complected,
black shirt, brown shorts, unsure of footwear or socks, had, not full-length
dreads but you know the like long twisty dreads all over his head.
Detective: Um, have you ever seen either one of these individuals before?
Wilson: I did not recognize either one.
Detective: No, okay. Do you think you could recognize the man with you said
dread locks, right?
Detective: Do you think you could recognize them again if you saw him?
Wilson: I think so.
Detective: Okay. Can I show you a…a photo spread here? Can you tell me if
you can identify him?
Detective: So, this is a Lineup number 146113, which was created today. Are
any of those individuals, there’s six people in that photograph…
Wilson: Number two.
Detective: …what number?
Detective: Okay. How sure are you of that?
Wilson: That’s what he looks like. I didn’t see him long, but if I, I’d
say number two if I had to pick one of those.
Detective: Okay. Alright. Just going through all my notes here. Just give me
a minute, okay?
Wilson: Uh huh.
Detective: One other question I had, when you downloaded your gun or made it
safe, um, how many rounds did you discover inside the weapon that were left?
Detective: One live round.
Detective: Okay. A, was that in the magazine or in the chamber?
Wilson: Chamber. I took out the magazine first and it was empty. When I made
it safe a
round came out of the chamber.
Detective: Okay, and then on your uniform, do you carry any additional ammo?
Detective: Okay, what do you carry?
Wilson: Two extra rounds, or two extra magazines.
Detective: Okay, did you ever reload?
Wilson: No, I didn’t.
Detective: Okay, and those, the magazines on your duty belt were full?
Detective: Do you carry any backup weapon?
Wilson: No, I do not. There’s a shotgun in the vehicle,
Detective: Did you ever get that out?
Wilson: I didn’t.
Detective: Okay. Is there anything that…that you feel is important that we
should know? Anything that you want to add? Anything that we didn’t ask you
that we should’ve asked you?
Wilson: I think we’re good. I think we’re good.
Detective: Alright. If there’s nothing else, the time is 10:47 am. And this
concludes the interview.