l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 1 scientists are human after all.
"It's a problem that has been known since the 1960s, but largely ignored by
scientists afraid the discovery might invalidate their research and hurt
their careers. It seems to stem from basic carelessness: Cells are drawn
from tumors, grown in labs, and stored for years in freezers, where the
mixup often occurs. The National Center for Biotechnology Information is
trying to clean up the mess and establish new standards, but the NIH, for
instance, still does not require authentification of cell lines when it
doles out grant money. "Screaming and shouting, it doesn't do any good,"
says one pathologist. "The whole ethos of science is to strive for the truth
and produce a balanced argument about the evidence. Yet, all this crap is
being produced."
"
http://www.newser.com/story/144506/cancer-research-held-back-by
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020457140457725751 |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 2 最好的癌症治療還是靠信基督教，沒人會要求你有嚴謹的實驗。 |
N*******8
发帖数: 1449 | 3 说的好! 赞.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 最好的癌症治療還是靠信基督教，沒人會要求你有嚴謹的實驗。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 4
你的電腦回貼還會掉句的？
【在 N*******8 的大作中提到】
: 说的好! 赞.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 5 Actually this is pretty sad for those who have been toiling in the lab for
years and years only to find out that all their efforts are on the WRONG
subject.
When their grants (and career/salary/mortages/kids college tuition...) are
on the stake, I understand why these scientists would choose to ignore the
warnings.
Ideally science is the unbiased pursue of the truth in the physical world (
at least claim to be), but scientists may be biased.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 最好的癌症治療還是靠信基督教，沒人會要求你有嚴謹的實驗。
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x*a
发帖数: 4968 | 6 同赞。
“虽然我的肉体，和我的心肠，渐渐的衰退，
但是神是我心里的力量，是我的福分，直到永远。”
唯有弟兄姊妹方能体会。
感谢主的恩典。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 最好的癌症治療還是靠信基督教，沒人會要求你有嚴謹的實驗。
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 7
Amen.
【在 x*a 的大作中提到】
: 同赞。
: “虽然我的肉体，和我的心肠，渐渐的衰退，
: 但是神是我心里的力量，是我的福分，直到永远。”
: 唯有弟兄姊妹方能体会。
: 感谢主的恩典。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 8
而修正科學的錯誤就要靠信仰，是不是？
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: Actually this is pretty sad for those who have been toiling in the lab for
: years and years only to find out that all their efforts are on the WRONG
: subject.
: When their grants (and career/salary/mortages/kids college tuition...) are
: on the stake, I understand why these scientists would choose to ignore the
: warnings.
: Ideally science is the unbiased pursue of the truth in the physical world (
: at least claim to be), but scientists may be biased.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 9
it depends the scientists upholding their "ethic standards" -- something
usually taken for granted (faith?).
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 而修正科學的錯誤就要靠信仰，是不是？
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J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 11
沒信教就沒 ethic standard， 對吧？
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: it depends the scientists upholding their "ethic standards" -- something
: usually taken for granted (faith?).
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J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | |
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 13
This article has nothing to do with 信教, but it does shows the "trust"/"
faith" (mis)placed on Science at various levels. First the scientists made a
wrong assumtpion about the target to carry out the research. Then the
laymen & tax-payers trust the scientists to be completely unbiased and take
what they claim at face-value.
The laws and rules on how Nature operates are objective and true (because
God creates them IMHO). Human's fragmented and limited views of these rules
may not be because we, as shown in this article, are subject to errors and
biases (because we are sinners IMHO).
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 沒信教就沒 ethic standard， 對吧？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 14
a
take
rules
那麼科學出錯應該怎樣改呢？
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: This article has nothing to do with 信教, but it does shows the "trust"/"
: faith" (mis)placed on Science at various levels. First the scientists made a
: wrong assumtpion about the target to carry out the research. Then the
: laymen & tax-payers trust the scientists to be completely unbiased and take
: what they claim at face-value.
: The laws and rules on how Nature operates are objective and true (because
: God creates them IMHO). Human's fragmented and limited views of these rules
: may not be because we, as shown in this article, are subject to errors and
: biases (because we are sinners IMHO).
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 15
it depends the scientists' upholding their "ethic standards" -- so
scientific research is a "faith"-based initiative, and accepting scientific
findings as "truth" needs a leap of faith.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: a
: take
: rules
: 那麼科學出錯應該怎樣改呢？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 16
scientific
你的意思是 scientific findings 不需要證據？ 有信心就好？
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: it depends the scientists' upholding their "ethic standards" -- so
: scientific research is a "faith"-based initiative, and accepting scientific
: findings as "truth" needs a leap of faith.
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