f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 AdAs at MP, one guy straddles to $7, one caller, i pop up to $27 (i did
exactly the same thing 2 hands ago with JJ and took it down on flop), one LP
TAG calls, straddler folds with some doubt in his eyes.
so heads up to the flop: no sh*t, 9c9sAc
TAG guy is a decent player, TAG but can bluff big sometimes too, i have $300
, he got me covered. TAG hasn't played a hand with me at all, although i
know he's observing quietly.
i make a "standard" c-bet of $25, a size showing some weakness, he quickly
calls.
turn: 7s, now with two suits on the board which could hit him somehow and
also keep his bluffing range, i decide to check like weak QQ/KK.
he bets $20, i tank and call.
river: Td
what's the best play here? | d******u
发帖数: 385 | 2 老大，你开车去WV需要多久啊？我觉得开车一个小时都觉得远。。。
LP
300
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: AdAs at MP, one guy straddles to $7, one caller, i pop up to $27 (i did
: exactly the same thing 2 hands ago with JJ and took it down on flop), one LP
: TAG calls, straddler folds with some doubt in his eyes.
: so heads up to the flop: no sh*t, 9c9sAc
: TAG guy is a decent player, TAG but can bluff big sometimes too, i have $300
: , he got me covered. TAG hasn't played a hand with me at all, although i
: know he's observing quietly.
: i make a "standard" c-bet of $25, a size showing some weakness, he quickly
: calls.
: turn: 7s, now with two suits on the board which could hit him somehow and
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 3 Check the river. Since you already had three aces, so villain probably had
nothing. The only way to make more money on the river is checking. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 1 hr 10 mins, it's ok.
after MD legalized poker, it could be only 20 mins for me.
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: 老大，你开车去WV需要多久啊？我觉得开车一个小时都觉得远。。。
:
: LP
: 300
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 i checked and he checked.
in retro, i'm wondering if a fake blocking bet ($10-$15) on river is better,
to induce and give him some other ideas, hehe.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Check the river. Since you already had three aces, so villain probably had
: nothing. The only way to make more money on the river is checking.
| h****u
发帖数: 35 | 6 我觉得CHECK和SMALL BET应该都对，但这里没有本质区别。 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 是不是small bet的挑衅味道更好一点？
check，象他这种一般TAG老头，可能更容易习惯性觉得，“嗯，这把就这么着吧，没准
手里牌还有点show down value呢？”
【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得CHECK和SMALL BET应该都对，但这里没有本质区别。
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 8 没有position 真痛苦， turn 还不如raise呢，如果他有flush draw说不定还会chase
chase，
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是不是small bet的挑衅味道更好一点？
: check，象他这种一般TAG老头，可能更容易习惯性觉得，“嗯，这把就这么着吧，没准
: 手里牌还有点show down value呢？”
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 if i check raised turn, he's 90% gone, even if he had flush draw. he should
know i wouldn't check raise Ax/KK/QQ here, and it's a paired board, chasing
flush here is not his style.
as it turned out, he didn't have an A (i didn't see his hand though)
otherwise he'd bet river. so i guess my only chances to extract more value
were:
1) induce him to bluff;
2) donk medium to get a hero call, but at the same time, board was so dry
and my hand was overly strong, not many hero hands in his range, sigh.
chase
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 没有position 真痛苦， turn 还不如raise呢，如果他有flush draw说不定还会chase
: chase，
| h****u
发帖数: 35 | 10 but i don't see how small bet can induce bluff better than just check?
i think you can only induce him to bluff when he's already somewhat
inclining to bluff. so if he has a hand that he thinks has showdown/bluff-
catch value when you check, will he all a sudden decide to turn it into a
bluff hand just because you small bet? if he's that Durrr-sir (得瑟), is he
still your TAG old bloke? :)
that said, i vaguely remember that Dusty guy recently recommending (on CP)
using small bet instead of checking in some cases, maybe you can find some
support there.
should
chasing
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: if i check raised turn, he's 90% gone, even if he had flush draw. he should
: know i wouldn't check raise Ax/KK/QQ here, and it's a paired board, chasing
: flush here is not his style.
: as it turned out, he didn't have an A (i didn't see his hand though)
: otherwise he'd bet river. so i guess my only chances to extract more value
: were:
: 1) induce him to bluff;
: 2) donk medium to get a hero call, but at the same time, board was so dry
: and my hand was overly strong, not many hero hands in his range, sigh.
:
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 it all depends on his range, i guess.
1) if i check, and his hand has any showdown value, e.g., 88, KTo or even
just K high, he wouldn't bet for thin value because if i call, he's dead. he
's very comfortable by checking behind with his whole range and such pot (~$
150).
2) but if i bet very small, the situation is reversed. he knows calling is
like donation, folding is too passive if he has anything in this pot. for
the flop/turn/river, he could treat my bet as a blocking bet and get
creative. worst case even if he does fold, still better than 1, right?
plus, i don't need to show my hand at all.
he
【在 h****u 的大作中提到】
: but i don't see how small bet can induce bluff better than just check?
: i think you can only induce him to bluff when he's already somewhat
: inclining to bluff. so if he has a hand that he thinks has showdown/bluff-
: catch value when you check, will he all a sudden decide to turn it into a
: bluff hand just because you small bet? if he's that Durrr-sir (得瑟), is he
: still your TAG old bloke? :)
: that said, i vaguely remember that Dusty guy recently recommending (on CP)
: using small bet instead of checking in some cases, maybe you can find some
: support there.
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