f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 是的，哥昨天又玩了一个session。
很杯具，兴冲冲的开车快到了，后面警察叔叔邪路杀出，哥一世的金身就这么栽了。
“去哪？”
俺怯怯的，“charles town”
“charles town干甚？”
俺招了，“打牌”
警察叔叔很人性化执法，说你记录很好，但是罚单还是在这，只算你超9迈吧，可以少
点points(ft, WV point又不会转来俺们州)，不服上庭(嗯，倒是可以再理所当然的来
一次)。
后来可能觉得这么打击一个外州大叔不妥，呲牙一笑，"good luck at the race track
!"
我靠，TNND，还没玩呢，就先在你这bad beat了，靠靠靠靠！哥给你们鸟不拉屎的WV
萎靡经济做双份贡献容易吗？！
上桌，气尤未消，兵家大忌，稀里糊涂，在没有大牌，没有bad beat，没有不服的三无
奇特状态下，2小时输了$400，郁闷加苦闷等于什么？摸出第三个$200 buy-in，输光准
备走人，这坑挖的那叫一个好。
$5 straddle，一堆limpers，一个LAG棒子在BTN raises to $30，哥一看牌，QQ，$200
不伦不类的stack，call。flop 237 trash rainbow，check call $45，turn 5，棒子
狠狠地push俺all-in，靠，回家，call，棒子66而已。
double up到$400也没有什么明显改观，很快又下去到$200出头，臭就一个字。
关键时候呼唤关键牌：
1)QcTc open $10 from UTG+1, 5 callers。flop KdJc3c，好的，哥就是它了，bet $
30，2 callers。turn Qd，靠，check，老黑bets $60，就俺call，river Qs，老黑
push俺all-in。老黑AcKc，好险！
2)Jc8c at UTG+1, call UTG's $10(UTG is semi tight)，棒子calls。
flop: 9TA rainbow, we check, 棒子bets $15. 棒子是典型的LAG，狡猾但是往往很凶
，UTG folds, i call.
turn: 7，漂亮，check，棒子bets $25，pop up to $75，棒子calls.
river: 7，bet $75，棒子snap calls，with AKs，太搞了，和老黑一路人。
3)trash trip Qs $150
4)33 flopped set清掉一个short guy，$100。
点数，居然还有$190赢利？
和棒子惺惺的一起出门，棒子虽然前后栽在俺手里$400多，人还是玩得不错的，搞死了
老黑1K多的stack，说还有$800的收入。 |
d******u
发帖数: 142 | |
p******e
发帖数: 327 | 3 版大威武，赞关键时候呼唤关键牌
应该拉警察叔叔一起打牌，看谁敢bluff你 |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 4 靠，您老是一发不可收拾了， 太上瘾了， 赫赫。该test water 2-5 了。俺脚的您
打2-5NL 时可以在打得更tag 些。 俺可能二月，三月过去，到时周末去wv应该不愁找
人carpool了。
【 在 fryking (赤道企鹅) 的大作中提到: 】
track |
l*u
发帖数: 1770 | 5 赞海底捞。如果我输了两个buy-in。估计就要on tilt了
track
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是的，哥昨天又玩了一个session。
: 很杯具，兴冲冲的开车快到了，后面警察叔叔邪路杀出，哥一世的金身就这么栽了。
: “去哪？”
: 俺怯怯的，“charles town”
: “charles town干甚？”
: 俺招了，“打牌”
: 警察叔叔很人性化执法，说你记录很好，但是罚单还是在这，只算你超9迈吧，可以少
: 点points(ft, WV point又不会转来俺们州)，不服上庭(嗯，倒是可以再理所当然的来
: 一次)。
: 后来可能觉得这么打击一个外州大叔不妥，呲牙一笑，"good luck at the race track
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 各位，别提了，丢银，还好有点运气捞点回来。
【在 l*u 的大作中提到】
: 赞海底捞。如果我输了两个buy-in。估计就要on tilt了
:
: track
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 7 黑哥calling station啊
那吧顺子value bet是不是可以多点。俺比较贪心。
track
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是的，哥昨天又玩了一个session。
: 很杯具，兴冲冲的开车快到了，后面警察叔叔邪路杀出，哥一世的金身就这么栽了。
: “去哪？”
: 俺怯怯的，“charles town”
: “charles town干甚？”
: 俺招了，“打牌”
: 警察叔叔很人性化执法，说你记录很好，但是罚单还是在这，只算你超9迈吧，可以少
: 点points(ft, WV point又不会转来俺们州)，不服上庭(嗯，倒是可以再理所当然的来
: 一次)。
: 后来可能觉得这么打击一个外州大叔不妥，呲牙一笑，"good luck at the race track
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 1/2的钱好挣，呵呵，comfort zone，俺不嫌少。
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 靠，您老是一发不可收拾了， 太上瘾了， 赫赫。该test water 2-5 了。俺脚的您
: 打2-5NL 时可以在打得更tag 些。 俺可能二月，三月过去，到时周末去wv应该不愁找
: 人carpool了。
: 【 在 fryking (赤道企鹅) 的大作中提到: 】
: track
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 黑哥很猛的，这把是反常规，强牌装弱打，结果把自己套进去了，和棒子类似。
黑哥和棒子两个互相砸的时候你是没看见，那叫一个狠呐，7s7c在turn上Ad3d5sTd，愣
敢乱来，$600，700的pot。
黑哥$200 buy-in，一小时多点到$1300，结果被清光。
顺子那把俺没有想到他是AK那么强，只是觉得turn上他在赌气，river太大怕跑了，其
实可能$125这样的size他也能call。
【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: 黑哥calling station啊
: 那吧顺子value bet是不是可以多点。俺比较贪心。
:
: track
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B*******4
发帖数: 1438 | 10 估计要使警察老哥秉公执法，算你超速29迈，你老盈利得过5百 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 11 果然是新年新气象，抓鱼无极限
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36 |
w********1
发帖数: 1414 | 12 WV的警察不是蓋的，我老就被抓過2次，不過都沒有給單；可能一是運氣比較好，二是
沒有壞的記錄，三是看我去賭場後放行；不過打那以後我就少去了。
track
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是的，哥昨天又玩了一个session。
: 很杯具，兴冲冲的开车快到了，后面警察叔叔邪路杀出，哥一世的金身就这么栽了。
: “去哪？”
: 俺怯怯的，“charles town”
: “charles town干甚？”
: 俺招了，“打牌”
: 警察叔叔很人性化执法，说你记录很好，但是罚单还是在这，只算你超9迈吧，可以少
: 点points(ft, WV point又不会转来俺们州)，不服上庭(嗯，倒是可以再理所当然的来
: 一次)。
: 后来可能觉得这么打击一个外州大叔不妥，呲牙一笑，"good luck at the race track
|
E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 13 Please play on 2/5 or 5/5 table. It is worthy of your time with tied play.
I found 1/2 table is just waste of time. I start to look for 2/5 or 5/5
table around our city, and just taste three times -
Sat (01/07) - 7:00PM - 2AM buy in $400 profit -400 (I was up to
$1600, but I played AA lost everything to a crazy lady. Felt so bad!!!)
Sunday(01/08) - 5:00PM - 11:00PM buy in $500 profit $2,400
Monday (01/09) - 3:00PM - 9:00PM buy in $500 profit $1,300
I follow simple rules I made for myself -
1. Involve BIG fight when I have BIG Hand
2. Involve BIG fight when I have marginal Hand and BIG draw (pot odds
consider)
3. Never bluff with BIG Stack
4. Up and leave ( Do not play when I feel tired)
also, I start to learn players, and avoid to fight with good players. |
w********1
发帖数: 1414 | 14 厲害。一貫如此？
to
【在 E*******r 的大作中提到】
: Please play on 2/5 or 5/5 table. It is worthy of your time with tied play.
: I found 1/2 table is just waste of time. I start to look for 2/5 or 5/5
: table around our city, and just taste three times -
: Sat (01/07) - 7:00PM - 2AM buy in $400 profit -400 (I was up to
: $1600, but I played AA lost everything to a crazy lady. Felt so bad!!!)
: Sunday(01/08) - 5:00PM - 11:00PM buy in $500 profit $2,400
: Monday (01/09) - 3:00PM - 9:00PM buy in $500 profit $1,300
: I follow simple rules I made for myself -
: 1. Involve BIG fight when I have BIG Hand
: 2. Involve BIG fight when I have marginal Hand and BIG draw (pot odds
|
s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 15 是不是ranson 的警察？ 老大，我们总错开啊。 |
w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 16 赞系统的rules.
有几个问题:
"Involve BIG fight when I have BIG Hand"
-- 这个要看你怎么定义BIG Hand. preflop QQ+, AKs, postflop monster or second
monster?
你每次去就一个buy-in啊?这个万一一个bad beat能忍得住离场?
to
【在 E*******r 的大作中提到】
: Please play on 2/5 or 5/5 table. It is worthy of your time with tied play.
: I found 1/2 table is just waste of time. I start to look for 2/5 or 5/5
: table around our city, and just taste three times -
: Sat (01/07) - 7:00PM - 2AM buy in $400 profit -400 (I was up to
: $1600, but I played AA lost everything to a crazy lady. Felt so bad!!!)
: Sunday(01/08) - 5:00PM - 11:00PM buy in $500 profit $2,400
: Monday (01/09) - 3:00PM - 9:00PM buy in $500 profit $1,300
: I follow simple rules I made for myself -
: 1. Involve BIG fight when I have BIG Hand
: 2. Involve BIG fight when I have marginal Hand and BIG draw (pot odds
|
E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 17 sorry for confusion -
BIG HAND - at least already see flop, based on flop to evaluate your hand;
I usually bring about $1500 - $1800 with me.
I just did three times. It might still be lucky play role there.
However, at least, I left with money now, not like before, I had to leave
table after I lost everything. :) |
w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 18 lol.
Congrats! Hope you do better and better!
【在 E*******r 的大作中提到】
: sorry for confusion -
: BIG HAND - at least already see flop, based on flop to evaluate your hand;
: I usually bring about $1500 - $1800 with me.
: I just did three times. It might still be lucky play role there.
: However, at least, I left with money now, not like before, I had to leave
: table after I lost everything. :)
|
l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 19 不错，好险！好在赢回来了，要不输6百估计你的POKER生涯就得暂停很长一段时间了。
track
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是的，哥昨天又玩了一个session。
: 很杯具，兴冲冲的开车快到了，后面警察叔叔邪路杀出，哥一世的金身就这么栽了。
: “去哪？”
: 俺怯怯的，“charles town”
: “charles town干甚？”
: 俺招了，“打牌”
: 警察叔叔很人性化执法，说你记录很好，但是罚单还是在这，只算你超9迈吧，可以少
: 点points(ft, WV point又不会转来俺们州)，不服上庭(嗯，倒是可以再理所当然的来
: 一次)。
: 后来可能觉得这么打击一个外州大叔不妥，呲牙一笑，"good luck at the race track
|
l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 20 你怎么老是鼓励别人玩2－5啊？我觉得哪里玩着舒服就哪里玩。玩2－5并不代表就一定
玩得好，2－5里也很多DONKEY的。我的目标是赢过2万就去玩2－5，现在玩2－3感觉轻
轻松松，毫无压力，不像上次玩2－5那样，简直是送钱交受罪，一点都不ENJOY。
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 靠，您老是一发不可收拾了， 太上瘾了， 赫赫。该test water 2-5 了。俺脚的您
: 打2-5NL 时可以在打得更tag 些。 俺可能二月，三月过去，到时周末去wv应该不愁找
: 人carpool了。
: 【 在 fryking (赤道企鹅) 的大作中提到: 】
: track
|
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 21
" 2－5里也很多DONKEY的"
that is why you should play 2-5NL, lol. anyway, play the game you feel comfortable
with.
you would not make really serious money in 2-5NL(100 BB cap) long term
anyway,
no mention 1-2. rake/dealer toke will kill you long term.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么老是鼓励别人玩2－5啊？我觉得哪里玩着舒服就哪里玩。玩2－5并不代表就一定
: 玩得好，2－5里也很多DONKEY的。我的目标是赢过2万就去玩2－5，现在玩2－3感觉轻
: 轻松松，毫无压力，不像上次玩2－5那样，简直是送钱交受罪，一点都不ENJOY。
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22 it is pretty ambitious goal to make 20k from 1-3/1-2 though. it may take a
while.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么老是鼓励别人玩2－5啊？我觉得哪里玩着舒服就哪里玩。玩2－5并不代表就一定
: 玩得好，2－5里也很多DONKEY的。我的目标是赢过2万就去玩2－5，现在玩2－3感觉轻
: 轻松松，毫无压力，不像上次玩2－5那样，简直是送钱交受罪，一点都不ENJOY。
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 23 It doesn't matter to me. I am happy to stay at 1-3.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: it is pretty ambitious goal to make 20k from 1-3/1-2 though. it may take a
: while.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 24 good! always play at your comfortable zone and play your best game!
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: It doesn't matter to me. I am happy to stay at 1-3.
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 25 player, you may understimate how fishy players are at 1/3 tables.
from my experience in local casino, the winrate at 1/3 table is high enough
to make it more profitable than 2/5 game. if you play 8 hours everyday, you
should be able to make 10k per month. But i think player at 2/5 or 5/10 can
improve our play much faster than in 1/3/. Well, sometimes you have to pay
the tuition
comfortable
term
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: good! always play at your comfortable zone and play your best game!
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 26
enough
you
I really doubt on this. the fish is giant ,but edge of poker is not that
big to make 10k/month in 1-3 with 250 hours play/month. I guess we need to
play long enough hours to find out.
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: player, you may understimate how fishy players are at 1/3 tables.
: from my experience in local casino, the winrate at 1/3 table is high enough
: to make it more profitable than 2/5 game. if you play 8 hours everyday, you
: should be able to make 10k per month. But i think player at 2/5 or 5/10 can
: improve our play much faster than in 1/3/. Well, sometimes you have to pay
: the tuition
:
: comfortable
: term
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 27 harder in Vegas,
but very possible in our loacal casino.
what you need to do is to find the right time (9pm to 2am is good) and right
table (donkeys who luckily have deep stacks)
take a bet?
that
to
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
:
: enough
: you
: I really doubt on this. the fish is giant ,but edge of poker is not that
: big to make 10k/month in 1-3 with 250 hours play/month. I guess we need to
: play long enough hours to find out.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 28 lol. maybe. what is the max buyin in your local 1-3NL game?
right
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: harder in Vegas,
: but very possible in our loacal casino.
: what you need to do is to find the right time (9pm to 2am is good) and right
: table (donkeys who luckily have deep stacks)
: take a bet?
:
: that
: to
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 29 300. But way too many regular fishes who play 5+ hours. (Pittsburgh casino
is in downtown area and so many casual players come after work or drinking
in the bar). at certain point they got lucky and double up and then lose 700
-1000 easily. The reason I said you can make 10k is that you can win a 300+
pot relatively easy and often (for example, fish will overshove all in flush
1k+ with paired board at river), but you dont loose big pot that often.
你怎么还不睡觉。
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: lol. maybe. what is the max buyin in your local 1-3NL game?
:
: right
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 30 play poker online now. had a bad nite so far. lol. 1am here, but 4am in
your place. I am the person who should ask this question.:)
700
+
flush
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: 300. But way too many regular fishes who play 5+ hours. (Pittsburgh casino
: is in downtown area and so many casual players come after work or drinking
: in the bar). at certain point they got lucky and double up and then lose 700
: -1000 easily. The reason I said you can make 10k is that you can win a 300+
: pot relatively easy and often (for example, fish will overshove all in flush
: 1k+ with paired board at river), but you dont loose big pot that often.
: 你怎么还不睡觉。
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 31 i am in irvine, CA
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: play poker online now. had a bad nite so far. lol. 1am here, but 4am in
: your place. I am the person who should ask this question.:)
:
: 700
: +
: flush
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 32 nice. OC is my favorate place to stay. I was there a few month last year.
there is a very nice gym there.
I may go OC next month.
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: i am in irvine, CA
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 33 I totally agree with you, cmis91. 1/3 or 2/3 could be more profitable than 2
-5. I played a 5 hours session last night and won 620, and that's after they
hit 2 outers on me twice in 5 minutes, but I still managed to win a good
amount of money. I didn't go all in with anybody last night, but I stole,
squeezed, and value bet a lot. I think on 2/3 people are much easier to read.
I also agree with you that player at 2/5 or 5/10 can improve our play much
faster than in 1/3. But since I am not very serious about poker, I just want
to play it and don't lose money or make some money, so it's fine for me to
just stay in my 1-3nl comfort zone.
enough
you
can
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: player, you may understimate how fishy players are at 1/3 tables.
: from my experience in local casino, the winrate at 1/3 table is high enough
: to make it more profitable than 2/5 game. if you play 8 hours everyday, you
: should be able to make 10k per month. But i think player at 2/5 or 5/10 can
: improve our play much faster than in 1/3/. Well, sometimes you have to pay
: the tuition
:
: comfortable
: term
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 34 Last night an old guy lost almost 500 in a pot with just two pair! He called
on the flop with top pair. Turn was the third spade. The young guy checked,
and he bet, and got raised, but he still called. River was a jack that gave
him two pairs but also put a possible four card straight there. Anyway, the
young kid went all in, and he still called! WTH. He couldn't beat anything,
flush, straight, set,especially the young kid raised him when the possible
flush came out on the turn. I just couldn't believe what I saw, and the guy
next to the kid said to him:" dude, how could you get paid off like that?" I
then comment:" I guess in poker you need not only skills, but also the
right opponents."
700
+
flush
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: 300. But way too many regular fishes who play 5+ hours. (Pittsburgh casino
: is in downtown area and so many casual players come after work or drinking
: in the bar). at certain point they got lucky and double up and then lose 700
: -1000 easily. The reason I said you can make 10k is that you can win a 300+
: pot relatively easy and often (for example, fish will overshove all in flush
: 1k+ with paired board at river), but you dont loose big pot that often.
: 你怎么还不睡觉。
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 赌兴很高啊。 不错。这个月1k 成竹在胸了吧?
track
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是的，哥昨天又玩了一个session。
: 很杯具，兴冲冲的开车快到了，后面警察叔叔邪路杀出，哥一世的金身就这么栽了。
: “去哪？”
: 俺怯怯的，“charles town”
: “charles town干甚？”
: 俺招了，“打牌”
: 警察叔叔很人性化执法，说你记录很好，但是罚单还是在这，只算你超9迈吧，可以少
: 点points(ft, WV point又不会转来俺们州)，不服上庭(嗯，倒是可以再理所当然的来
: 一次)。
: 后来可能觉得这么打击一个外州大叔不妥，呲牙一笑，"good luck at the race track
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 250 hour per month for 10k. That is 40$ per hour. It is by no means easy
but very much possible. In a local casino where you know all the fishes well
, your edge is much larger. you can spent less time finding out what type of
fish they are. Just go there and bust them every night. Easy money. In
fact, I think it might be harder to pull off 250 hour per month than getting
the win rate.
enough
you
can
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: player, you may understimate how fishy players are at 1/3 tables.
: from my experience in local casino, the winrate at 1/3 table is high enough
: to make it more profitable than 2/5 game. if you play 8 hours everyday, you
: should be able to make 10k per month. But i think player at 2/5 or 5/10 can
: improve our play much faster than in 1/3/. Well, sometimes you have to pay
: the tuition
:
: comfortable
: term
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 37 It's possible, but not as easy as you said. " Just go there and bust them
every night. Easy money"---LOL... Fish can get lucky too and fish win money
sometimes also. In poker, you have to have a big edge to win consistently in
low limit. Average is not enough, you have to be the best on the table,
which is not that easy actually.
well
of
getting
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 250 hour per month for 10k. That is 40$ per hour. It is by no means easy
: but very much possible. In a local casino where you know all the fishes well
: , your edge is much larger. you can spent less time finding out what type of
: fish they are. Just go there and bust them every night. Easy money. In
: fact, I think it might be harder to pull off 250 hour per month than getting
: the win rate.
:
: enough
: you
: can
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 did I not make myself clear again? I meant busting them every night by "EV"
and winning "Long term". No one can guarantee winning poker every night. It
is not chess, but the fact that anyone can win a session or two actually works to our advantage. 鱼都知道自己打得不好，还一次都不能赢的话，那谁输我钱啊？
money
in
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: It's possible, but not as easy as you said. " Just go there and bust them
: every night. Easy money"---LOL... Fish can get lucky too and fish win money
: sometimes also. In poker, you have to have a big edge to win consistently in
: low limit. Average is not enough, you have to be the best on the table,
: which is not that easy actually.
:
: well
: of
: getting
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 SIGH，只能借出庭再多玩一次了，呵呵，人生经验值又增加了。
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: WV的警察不是蓋的，我老就被抓過2次，不過都沒有給單；可能一是運氣比較好，二是
: 沒有壞的記錄，三是看我去賭場後放行；不過打那以後我就少去了。
:
: track
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 还很难说，第二个session暴露出一些俺以为已经完全解决的问题。
不过既然起点还好，总是比上个月强多了。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 赌兴很高啊。 不错。这个月1k 成竹在胸了吧?
:
: track
|
|
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 全得给罚掉，呵呵。
【在 B*******4 的大作中提到】
: 估计要使警察老哥秉公执法，算你超速29迈，你老盈利得过5百
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 东虎兄多日不见，猛男啊！！
加油好好干！
to
【在 E*******r 的大作中提到】
: Please play on 2/5 or 5/5 table. It is worthy of your time with tied play.
: I found 1/2 table is just waste of time. I start to look for 2/5 or 5/5
: table around our city, and just taste three times -
: Sat (01/07) - 7:00PM - 2AM buy in $400 profit -400 (I was up to
: $1600, but I played AA lost everything to a crazy lady. Felt so bad!!!)
: Sunday(01/08) - 5:00PM - 11:00PM buy in $500 profit $2,400
: Monday (01/09) - 3:00PM - 9:00PM buy in $500 profit $1,300
: I follow simple rules I made for myself -
: 1. Involve BIG fight when I have BIG Hand
: 2. Involve BIG fight when I have marginal Hand and BIG draw (pot odds
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 那个什么harpers ferry的鸟警察，就猫在过桥以后那个出口，靠！
俺这周五晚上还去。
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: 是不是ranson 的警察？ 老大，我们总错开啊。
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 44 10k/month is pretty much a pretty good full time cash game reg in
Vegas in no cap 5-10 or no cap 2-5(does not exist anymore) can make long
term. No matter how good a low stake player can be, I do not think making
10k/month in 1-3NL can be consistent.
With the huge variance in live poker, 2-3 month's result does not
mean much. I have a friend who used to make 150k+ within 2-3 month intervel
when he ran like god, most just in deep stack no cap 5-10 NL game. But his
game has huge swing and he lost most of them quickly. I saw him myself that
he lost more than 40k one night when he ran bad and went to huge tilt. And
he does not make much at end of year.
You may get 250h/month live play time if you are full time, but most
likley you would not find a lot fishes all the time. Plus nobody can play
their A game all the time. We are human, we make mistakes and we can go on
tilt from time to time. These factors should be considered when we talk
about long term winning rate.
EV"
It
works to our advantage. 鱼都知道自己打得不好，还一次都不能赢的话，那谁输我
钱啊？
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: did I not make myself clear again? I meant busting them every night by "EV"
: and winning "Long term". No one can guarantee winning poker every night. It
: is not chess, but the fact that anyone can win a session or two actually works to our advantage. 鱼都知道自己打得不好，还一次都不能赢的话，那谁输我钱啊？
:
: money
: in
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 很难。搞掉鱼几个stacks不难，这里那里都发生，经年累月这样很难。
就象经常坐下来就赢了$300，或者2小时很轻松几个小pots，....结果出门的时候发现
其实可能只赢了100多。
运气好了，发挥超常，有可能。
intervel
his
that
And
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 10k/month is pretty much a pretty good full time cash game reg in
: Vegas in no cap 5-10 or no cap 2-5(does not exist anymore) can make long
: term. No matter how good a low stake player can be, I do not think making
: 10k/month in 1-3NL can be consistent.
: With the huge variance in live poker, 2-3 month's result does not
: mean much. I have a friend who used to make 150k+ within 2-3 month intervel
: when he ran like god, most just in deep stack no cap 5-10 NL game. But his
: game has huge swing and he lost most of them quickly. I saw him myself that
: he lost more than 40k one night when he ran bad and went to huge tilt. And
: he does not make much at end of year.
|
l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 46 "You may get 250h/month live play time if you are full time, but most
likley you would not find a lot fishes all the time. Plus nobody can play
their A game all the time. We are human, we make mistakes and we can go on
tilt from time to time. These factors should be considered when we talk
about long term winning rate."
___ very good point. I totally agree with you. There are not that many fish.
Most of players know what they are doing. And, you're right. Nobody can
play A game all the time. Also, luck is a very important factor to consider.
No matter how good you are, if you don't get good cards, there is nothing
you can do. People who think it is very easy to make quick and big bucks
from low limit game should go play and prove it with their results instead
of just saying it.
intervel
his
that
And
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 10k/month is pretty much a pretty good full time cash game reg in
: Vegas in no cap 5-10 or no cap 2-5(does not exist anymore) can make long
: term. No matter how good a low stake player can be, I do not think making
: 10k/month in 1-3NL can be consistent.
: With the huge variance in live poker, 2-3 month's result does not
: mean much. I have a friend who used to make 150k+ within 2-3 month intervel
: when he ran like god, most just in deep stack no cap 5-10 NL game. But his
: game has huge swing and he lost most of them quickly. I saw him myself that
: he lost more than 40k one night when he ran bad and went to huge tilt. And
: he does not make much at end of year.
|
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 47 the winrate required to achieve 10k per month at live 1/2 is
-- 25 big bets per 100 hands
the winrate of the best winner at online 0.01/0.02 is
-- 11.58 big bets per 100 hands
and yes, it's 1cent/2cent blinds.
You get what I am trying to say. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 First of all, i don't have a local game with regular fish present. The key
here is "regular". It can save a lot of time of reading your opponents.
When they are bad, it is more important because their play is very
predictable when you know them well. I think it is very likely to make 40$
/per hour or more under this situation. Second of all, if we play 250 hour
per month, we should have a pretty decent sample size down every month, the
short term variance should be much lower than one or two session.
I am commenting this purely based on cmis's description of the poker room.
Of course I am not going to move to Pittsburge to prove that I can do it. I
think it is pretty strange to even suggest this. But I would rather believe
that cmis could do it. 40$ per hour is on the high side, but i think it is
very much possible.
I think when you know the fish well, you can probably push it a little
thinner where it can bring your win rate a lot higher. Like the hand lzl
linked that someone called all in on the river with 2 pair on a 4 card
straight and 3 card flush. It might be surprising to see that. But if you
play with this fish all the time, the thing you should think about is how to
push thinner in the future for full value. With regular fish in the game,
we can exploit a lot of spots where we can't vs a random fish. |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 49 no way. you assume we can play 100 hands/hour in live game?
normal speed is about 20-25 hands/hour. so you need more than 100 big bet
/100 hands to win that much.
for no cap nl game , there are ppl who can get 50-100 bb/ 100 hands
winning rate though. but that is not easy for for 100 BB 1-2 NL game,
considering rake/dealer toke can take a lot from you.
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: the winrate required to achieve 10k per month at live 1/2 is
: -- 25 big bets per 100 hands
: the winrate of the best winner at online 0.01/0.02 is
: -- 11.58 big bets per 100 hands
: and yes, it's 1cent/2cent blinds.
: You get what I am trying to say.
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 50 actually, i don't get what you are trying to say. it can be interpreted in
many ways.
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: the winrate required to achieve 10k per month at live 1/2 is
: -- 25 big bets per 100 hands
: the winrate of the best winner at online 0.01/0.02 is
: -- 11.58 big bets per 100 hands
: and yes, it's 1cent/2cent blinds.
: You get what I am trying to say.
|
|
|
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 51 Just because you can thin value bet fish does not mean you get the full
value. Let's say you estimate that your percentage of winning is 60 if fish
calls your thin river value bet of 50$. Your expected return is only 10$ in
this case.
60%*50-40%*50=10
The possibility of fish raising and forcing you to lay down the hand,
however small, is only going to further lower your ev. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 52 the longer a group of player play against each other, the more edge a
better player can have against others (not only just fish). Because normally
better poker player are good at reading people and changing their own play
and mixing it up. When you and your opponents are not unknown to each other
anymore, the edge between good player and donk/fishes normally would be even
larger.
40$
the
I
believe
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: First of all, i don't have a local game with regular fish present. The key
: here is "regular". It can save a lot of time of reading your opponents.
: When they are bad, it is more important because their play is very
: predictable when you know them well. I think it is very likely to make 40$
: /per hour or more under this situation. Second of all, if we play 250 hour
: per month, we should have a pretty decent sample size down every month, the
: short term variance should be much lower than one or two session.
: I am commenting this purely based on cmis's description of the poker room.
: Of course I am not going to move to Pittsburge to prove that I can do it. I
: think it is pretty strange to even suggest this. But I would rather believe
|
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 53 I assumed 250 hour per month of playing, 40 hands per hour. That comes out
to be 10K hands, and therefore 100$/100 hands. 1 big bet is 4$ in a 1/2 game.
bet
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: no way. you assume we can play 100 hands/hour in live game?
: normal speed is about 20-25 hands/hour. so you need more than 100 big bet
: /100 hands to win that much.
: for no cap nl game , there are ppl who can get 50-100 bb/ 100 hands
: winning rate though. but that is not easy for for 100 BB 1-2 NL game,
: considering rake/dealer toke can take a lot from you.
|
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 54 I think it is impossible to have double the winrate in a live 1/2 game as
compared to a 1cent/2cent online game.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: actually, i don't get what you are trying to say. it can be interpreted in
: many ways.
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 55 Yes. I don't argue that. this is the difference between EV gain and actual
money gain. that's why it is important not to be result oriented. We can
refer this to "sklansky bucks" in his theory book.
fish
in
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: Just because you can thin value bet fish does not mean you get the full
: value. Let's say you estimate that your percentage of winning is 60 if fish
: calls your thin river value bet of 50$. Your expected return is only 10$ in
: this case.
: 60%*50-40%*50=10
: The possibility of fish raising and forcing you to lay down the hand,
: however small, is only going to further lower your ev.
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 56 40 h/hour is very hard live game.also, for NL game, big bet should be
considered same as BB, IMO. that is 2$.
game.
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: I assumed 250 hour per month of playing, 40 hands per hour. That comes out
: to be 10K hands, and therefore 100$/100 hands. 1 big bet is 4$ in a 1/2 game.
:
: bet
|
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 57 If we are talking about the long run, the 3 are the same thing. |
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 58 It can be traced back to the limit days, where a bet on the turn or river is
twice the size of big blind and called big bet.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 40 h/hour is very hard live game.also, for NL game, big bet should be
: considered same as BB, IMO. that is 2$.
:
:
: game.
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 59 It all depends on how bad the players you are facing at table. I can pin
point a few player I have played live and saying that "no way i can make 40$
an hour on this table" I can also remember some player that I played "if he
is on the table, I can probably average 100$ an hour." If you go into a
local game where those giant fish plays all the time, why would this win
rate be impossible?
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: I think it is impossible to have double the winrate in a live 1/2 game as
: compared to a 1cent/2cent online game.
|
l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 60 There are no regular fish. Fish usually lose money, so they can't come all
the time to lose money. People you play regularly or you see often are not
fish. They are usually good or average players. That's why they can afford
to be regular. I know some really bad players in the casino I now play. They
came all the time three months ago, but now I haven't seen them once since
I was back from Vegas. I play at least 3-4 session a week, but I never see
them during those days. Now I play so many hours each week, but most of time
I don't know anybody on the table. They have 50 tables in the poker room,
and most of time it's full. Sometimes I know some players on the table, but
they are not fish. The big fish I mentioned earlier was an exception, that's
why everyone was so surprised to his call. Even he was the big fish, but he
could still get lucky. For example, last night I had KcJc on MP. EP raised
to 12, and I called. The fish also called. Flop K 2 3 RB. EP checked. I knew
my king was way ahead, and I didn't want to bet to scare everyone away. I
also knew the fish was going to bet no matter what. So I decided to let him
bet. So I checked, and he immediately pushed all in with his last 60 dollars
. EP then called because he didn't put me on the king. I also called to trap
him. Turn was a 8, EP checked, and I bet 100. He then folded. I thought I
got the maximum money for my kings, but fish showed his 88. He tripled up
with his luck. I thought I played my hand perfectly and I knew exactly what
they had. My points are: first, there are not many fish as you think.
secondly, regulars are not fish, otherwise, they can't be regular. Thirdly,
fish can win money when they get lucky, so even there is a fish on the table
, it doesn't mean you can take his money. You need the right hand, right
luck.
40$
the
I
believe
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: First of all, i don't have a local game with regular fish present. The key
: here is "regular". It can save a lot of time of reading your opponents.
: When they are bad, it is more important because their play is very
: predictable when you know them well. I think it is very likely to make 40$
: /per hour or more under this situation. Second of all, if we play 250 hour
: per month, we should have a pretty decent sample size down every month, the
: short term variance should be much lower than one or two session.
: I am commenting this purely based on cmis's description of the poker room.
: Of course I am not going to move to Pittsburge to prove that I can do it. I
: think it is pretty strange to even suggest this. But I would rather believe
|
|
|
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 61 I would imagine players in a 1cent/2cent online game to be among the worst
and that's why I made the comparison.
40$
he
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: It all depends on how bad the players you are facing at table. I can pin
: point a few player I have played live and saying that "no way i can make 40$
: an hour on this table" I can also remember some player that I played "if he
: is on the table, I can probably average 100$ an hour." If you go into a
: local game where those giant fish plays all the time, why would this win
: rate be impossible?
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 62 have you played 1c/2c game online? I think on average, they are better than 1/2$ player. I mean better by harder to win money from them because they are tighter.
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: I would imagine players in a 1cent/2cent online game to be among the worst
: and that's why I made the comparison.
:
: 40$
: he
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 63 normally, it is harder to win more money from a tighter player. I think that
is pretty easy to understand.
than 1/2$ player. I mean better by harder to win money from them because
they are tighter.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: have you played 1c/2c game online? I think on average, they are better than 1/2$ player. I mean better by harder to win money from them because they are tighter.
|
l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 64 "I think it is pretty strange to even suggest this"___ This is not strange
at all. You always claim on this board that live game is so easy and you can
make a lot of money from live poker as long as you have the time to play.
Well, how do we know that or how should we believe you? Unless you show us
with the result. And, don't say your local game is tougher than somewhere
else. That's just lame to me. Live game is the same almost everywhere. If
you're that good, you can win money no matter where you are.
40$
the
I
believe
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: First of all, i don't have a local game with regular fish present. The key
: here is "regular". It can save a lot of time of reading your opponents.
: When they are bad, it is more important because their play is very
: predictable when you know them well. I think it is very likely to make 40$
: /per hour or more under this situation. Second of all, if we play 250 hour
: per month, we should have a pretty decent sample size down every month, the
: short term variance should be much lower than one or two session.
: I am commenting this purely based on cmis's description of the poker room.
: Of course I am not going to move to Pittsburge to prove that I can do it. I
: think it is pretty strange to even suggest this. But I would rather believe
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 65 you are still at the stage where you need to use a few session results to prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
but since you ask. I can post my results. Like I said I don't play a lot and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to break 40$. My live experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve my winrate a bit more if I have played a little better at some spots..
5/23 175 3
6/5 150 4
6/19/2011 530 3
6/20/2011 -19 3
7/2/2011 177 10
9/2/2011 770 14
9/3/2011 -220 8
10/31/2011 -460 11
11/11/2011 337 10
11/21/2011 770 7
12/14/2011 342 7
12/16/2011 275 9
12/19/2011 75 7
12/21/2011 181 7
12/29/2011 0 6
Do you think I have the right to say live games are easy now?
can
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: "I think it is pretty strange to even suggest this"___ This is not strange
: at all. You always claim on this board that live game is so easy and you can
: make a lot of money from live poker as long as you have the time to play.
: Well, how do we know that or how should we believe you? Unless you show us
: with the result. And, don't say your local game is tougher than somewhere
: else. That's just lame to me. Live game is the same almost everywhere. If
: you're that good, you can win money no matter where you are.
:
: 40$
: the
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 66 关于hourly rate这个问题，俺做过一点研究，觉得长期还是挺难的。
要说起来1/2NL $15/hr，2/5NL $35/hr这样的不错战绩，听起来好象真的“偏低”，在
座各位随便几个小时千八百的sessions比比皆是，2+2上面也很多。可是实际中恐怕真
的不多。
可能有人会说，比如1/2NL玩得更好的都去打2/5了，这个确实有很大可能，那2/5最好
的呢？打5/10去了？置顶的那个live赌场桌子查询帖，全美国东海岸(西边俺不敢妄言)
就今天现在这个点，总共加起来不到10张桌子(包括foxwoods, borgata这样的大赌场)
，周末多点，不过撑死了也就是翻一番，因为绝大多数赌场都开不出这样stake的桌子
来。
就这么大的池塘，究竟能养活多少2/5爬上来的？(假设它们真是这样)即使再退一步，
把一些地下赌场都算上，也大不了多少。
所以，俺还是相信，1/2NL $15/hr，2/5NL $35/hr这样的江湖传说，其实还是很靠谱的。
can
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: "I think it is pretty strange to even suggest this"___ This is not strange
: at all. You always claim on this board that live game is so easy and you can
: make a lot of money from live poker as long as you have the time to play.
: Well, how do we know that or how should we believe you? Unless you show us
: with the result. And, don't say your local game is tougher than somewhere
: else. That's just lame to me. Live game is the same almost everywhere. If
: you're that good, you can win money no matter where you are.
:
: 40$
: the
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 67 你们俩真幼稚。
prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May
after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly
small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an
hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since
my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it
is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to br: eak 40$. My live
experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve
my winrate a bit more if I have played a little better at some spots..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: you are still at the stage where you need to use a few session results to prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
: but since you ask. I can post my results. Like I said I don't play a lot and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to break 40$. My live experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve my winrate a bit more if I have played a little better at some spots..
: 5/23 175 3
: 6/5 150 4
: 6/19/2011 530 3
: 6/20/2011 -19 3
: 7/2/2011 177 10
: 9/2/2011 770 14
: 9/3/2011 -220 8
: 10/31/2011 -460 11
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 68 the header is dates earning hours btw.
prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May
after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly
small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an
hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since
my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it
is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to br: eak 40$. My live
experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve
my winrate a bit more if I have played a little better at some spots..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: you are still at the stage where you need to use a few session results to prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
: but since you ask. I can post my results. Like I said I don't play a lot and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to break 40$. My live experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve my winrate a bit more if I have played a little better at some spots..
: 5/23 175 3
: 6/5 150 4
: 6/19/2011 530 3
: 6/20/2011 -19 3
: 7/2/2011 177 10
: 9/2/2011 770 14
: 9/3/2011 -220 8
: 10/31/2011 -460 11
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 69 你说话要公平些.. 我只是觉得cmis 可以达到着个赢率. 是她追着我要我proof的?
fairly
since
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你们俩真幼稚。
:
: prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
: and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May
: after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly
: small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an
: hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since
: my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it
: is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to br: eak 40$. My live
: experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 70 没有1000个小时的，都不算数，呵呵，行否？
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 你说话要公平些.. 我只是觉得cmis 可以达到着个赢率. 是她追着我要我proof的?
:
: fairly
: since
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 71
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你们俩真幼稚。
:
: prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
: and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May
: after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly
: small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an
: hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since
: my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it
: is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to br: eak 40$. My live
: experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 72 所以我从来没show 过嘛. 她逼我的.. 赫赫..
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 没有1000个小时的，都不算数，呵呵，行否？
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 73 老实说, 赢赢1/2$ game 对我来说实在也没啥好show 的.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 所以我从来没show 过嘛. 她逼我的.. 赫赫..
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 74 "you are still at the stage where you need to use a few session results to
prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe"____ haha... very
funny. So this a little over 100 hours results sheet is a long term evidence
to you? And when did I use a few session results to prove that I am good. I
never said I was good. I just don't agree with you that live game is easy
as you said.
prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May
after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly
small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an
hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since
my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it
is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to br: eak 40$. My live
experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve
my winrate a bit more if I have played a little better at some spots..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: you are still at the stage where you need to use a few session results to prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
: but since you ask. I can post my results. Like I said I don't play a lot and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly small so i really didn't think it matters. But i average close to 30$ an hour. I play a lot of this during weekdays where the actions are slow since my wife does not like me to go over the weekends. That's why i think if it is at fish peak hour, it is entirely possible to break 40$. My live experience is also fairly limited. I actually think I can probably improve my winrate a bit more if I have played a little better at some spots..
: 5/23 175 3
: 6/5 150 4
: 6/19/2011 530 3
: 6/20/2011 -19 3
: 7/2/2011 177 10
: 9/2/2011 770 14
: 9/3/2011 -220 8
: 10/31/2011 -460 11
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 75 扑克这东西，有时候几个hot sessions的战绩，后面半年若干个sessions可能都打不到
，一平均，就下去了。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 所以我从来没show 过嘛. 她逼我的.. 赫赫..
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 76 i meant live game is easy for me.. sorry.. i meant for me... Not because
this 100 hour record, but because I know where my edge is on every live
table I have been on.
very
evidence
I
fairly
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: "you are still at the stage where you need to use a few session results to
: prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe"____ haha... very
: funny. So this a little over 100 hours results sheet is a long term evidence
: to you? And when did I use a few session results to prove that I am good. I
: never said I was good. I just don't agree with you that live game is easy
: as you said.
:
: prove that you are good. I am way passed that stage. hehe
: and I didn't even make a record of it very well before. but since last May
: after the on-line game crash. This is my results. the sample size is fairly
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 77 看来，mm 老湿也是个性情中人。。。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 所以我从来没show 过嘛. 她逼我的.. 赫赫..
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 78 why would I say it is easy for others anyway. If it is easy for everyone,
who takes the money home?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i meant live game is easy for me.. sorry.. i meant for me... Not because
: this 100 hour record, but because I know where my edge is on every live
: table I have been on.
:
: very
: evidence
: I
: fairly
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 79 是谁最先发明出这个mm 老湿的？
每次看到先觉得毛，后觉得笑死，呵呵。
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 看来，mm 老湿也是个性情中人。。。
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 80 没人说LIVE不容易.只是觉得容易不到40$/hour at 1/2.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i meant live game is easy for me.. sorry.. i meant for me... Not because
: this 100 hour record, but because I know where my edge is on every live
: table I have been on.
:
: very
: evidence
: I
: fairly
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 81 Actually, I don't want to show off here, but, I won more than you did in 15
sessions after I was back from Vegas for a total of 9 sessions. However, I
still don't think live game is that easy for me. You're just really
confident.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i meant live game is easy for me.. sorry.. i meant for me... Not because
: this 100 hour record, but because I know where my edge is on every live
: table I have been on.
:
: very
: evidence
: I
: fairly
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 82 应该说"不容易到40$/hour at 1/2", 而不是"容易不到40$/hour". 讲话不能这么决对
不是?
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: 没人说LIVE不容易.只是觉得容易不到40$/hour at 1/2.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 83 lol. funny to see many different personality to interact here. :) Like
Shakespear said, the world is a stage, people are actor and actress.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是谁最先发明出这个mm 老湿的？
: 每次看到先觉得毛，后觉得笑死，呵呵。
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 84 很正常，live session 本身时间就少，大多都是周末去的，碰到一个 hot streak, 连
续几个礼拜 NL 1/2 打到 $40 / h 完全有可能。
可这东西就跟炒股一样，旺的时候觉得没费啥劲就赢钱了，好多人以为这就是自己的
winrate 了。没想到如果天天这样打，一是没这么多 fish 给你抓，二是 downswing
的时候不论怎么打都会输，两头一扯，算下来就没那么多了。player 是打得多的人，
应该是有亲身体会的。
不过话说回来，NL 2/5 打得多了，回头打 NL 1/2 感觉的确 soft， 打得不好的人也
多。要稳定赢钱，NL 1/2 比较容易一些。
2/3 年以前我碰到的那些 AC NL 1/2 的 regular, 有一段时间都在 2/5 桌上，大概想
升级，可后来，看到他们打了一阵都回到 1/2 去了。钱容易赚，swing 也小，一天赚
个 100 -200 ，加上 comp， 又不交税，还能申请福利，比一般蓝领工作不强很多？
言)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 关于hourly rate这个问题，俺做过一点研究，觉得长期还是挺难的。
: 要说起来1/2NL $15/hr，2/5NL $35/hr这样的不错战绩，听起来好象真的“偏低”，在
: 座各位随便几个小时千八百的sessions比比皆是，2+2上面也很多。可是实际中恐怕真
: 的不多。
: 可能有人会说，比如1/2NL玩得更好的都去打2/5了，这个确实有很大可能，那2/5最好
: 的呢？打5/10去了？置顶的那个live赌场桌子查询帖，全美国东海岸(西边俺不敢妄言)
: 就今天现在这个点，总共加起来不到10张桌子(包括foxwoods, borgata这样的大赌场)
: ，周末多点，不过撑死了也就是翻一番，因为绝大多数赌场都开不出这样stake的桌子
: 来。
: 就这么大的池塘，究竟能养活多少2/5爬上来的？(假设它们真是这样)即使再退一步，
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 85 有时侯, 你还偏不要不行邪. 以前玩online, 大家都说最好的reg 也就average 3bb/100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能不代表没人能.
言)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 关于hourly rate这个问题，俺做过一点研究，觉得长期还是挺难的。
: 要说起来1/2NL $15/hr，2/5NL $35/hr这样的不错战绩，听起来好象真的“偏低”，在
: 座各位随便几个小时千八百的sessions比比皆是，2+2上面也很多。可是实际中恐怕真
: 的不多。
: 可能有人会说，比如1/2NL玩得更好的都去打2/5了，这个确实有很大可能，那2/5最好
: 的呢？打5/10去了？置顶的那个live赌场桌子查询帖，全美国东海岸(西边俺不敢妄言)
: 就今天现在这个点，总共加起来不到10张桌子(包括foxwoods, borgata这样的大赌场)
: ，周末多点，不过撑死了也就是翻一番，因为绝大多数赌场都开不出这样stake的桌子
: 来。
: 就这么大的池塘，究竟能养活多少2/5爬上来的？(假设它们真是这样)即使再退一步，
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d******u
发帖数: 142 | 86 If you really play 100+ hours a month in one casino, there could be a side
benefit.
Last year, I had the most difficult session in one casino. There are 3-4
pros (or super regular) on the table. They simply do not fight between each
other.
It is a very aggressive table with a lot of raises, reraises and squeezes.
However, if they are the only ones left in the pot, the aggression normally
drops significantly. 50% of time they just check down to the river.
I played 6 hours and only lost one buy-in in the end but feel aweful. It was
probably the only time I felt at significant disadvantage and can not
figure out a way to crack it.
A different question is what is the boundary here. Are they considered
collusion if they keep playing like that? Can I complain to the casino? I
guess casino will always be on their side since I am just a tourist.
言)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 关于hourly rate这个问题，俺做过一点研究，觉得长期还是挺难的。
: 要说起来1/2NL $15/hr，2/5NL $35/hr这样的不错战绩，听起来好象真的“偏低”，在
: 座各位随便几个小时千八百的sessions比比皆是，2+2上面也很多。可是实际中恐怕真
: 的不多。
: 可能有人会说，比如1/2NL玩得更好的都去打2/5了，这个确实有很大可能，那2/5最好
: 的呢？打5/10去了？置顶的那个live赌场桌子查询帖，全美国东海岸(西边俺不敢妄言)
: 就今天现在这个点，总共加起来不到10张桌子(包括foxwoods, borgata这样的大赌场)
: ，周末多点，不过撑死了也就是翻一番，因为绝大多数赌场都开不出这样stake的桌子
: 来。
: 就这么大的池塘，究竟能养活多少2/5爬上来的？(假设它们真是这样)即使再退一步，
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 87 而且他是1/3 不是1/2. 从BB 的赢率来讲. 40$ per hour at 1/3, 不也就是 26$ per
hour at 1/2 吗? 这个赢率不夸张吧? |
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 88 这两个有区别?
I didn't mean "likely to not achieve 40$/hour" but "not easy enough to
achieve 40$/hour".
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 应该说"不容易到40$/hour at 1/2", 而不是"容易不到40$/hour". 讲话不能这么决对
: 不是?
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 89 300k hands is not long run
100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
不代表没人能.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 有时侯, 你还偏不要不行邪. 以前玩online, 大家都说最好的reg 也就average 3bb/100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能不代表没人能.
:
: 言)
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 90 最好选手一年下来3BB/100(不含rakeback/bonus)这可不是说的，而是网站自己统计的(
rush出现以前)，可信度较高。
不是说能与不能，durrrr当然能，durrrr的徒孙也能轻松。而是说难不难，或者有多少
人能做到，这个，俺个人觉得很多人都高估了自己。
鱼是能输几个buy-ins(算上鱼走狗屎运的时候，少那么1，2个buy-ins)，可别忘了，
edge是建立在有牌的基础上的，更何况，还有很多人要分鱼吃。
100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
不代表没人能.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 有时侯, 你还偏不要不行邪. 以前玩online, 大家都说最好的reg 也就average 3bb/100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能不代表没人能.
:
: 言)
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 91 bb or BB?
100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
不代表没人能.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 有时侯, 你还偏不要不行邪. 以前玩online, 大家都说最好的reg 也就average 3bb/100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能不代表没人能.
:
: 言)
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 92 Regarding this hand you played, I don't think it is perfect. Your read on
the opponents are right, and I like your check/call on the flop. But I don't
think the turn bet is optimal. Somehow I feel your turn bet is not
comsistent with your read. What hands in Villian's range are your targeting
when you value bet on the turn? Middle pair? Probably. But there is no way
you can get two streets value from him if he does have middle pair. For one
street value, I'd rather to check the turn and bet the river. In this way,
the probability that Villian calls is much higher, ie you max the value.
There are no regular fish. Fish usually lose money, so they can't come all
the time to l........
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【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: There are no regular fish. Fish usually lose money, so they can't come all
: the time to lose money. People you play regularly or you see often are not
: fish. They are usually good or average players. That's why they can afford
: to be regular. I know some really bad players in the casino I now play. They
: came all the time three months ago, but now I haven't seen them once since
: I was back from Vegas. I play at least 3-4 session a week, but I never see
: them during those days. Now I play so many hours each week, but most of time
: I don't know anybody on the table. They have 50 tables in the poker room,
: and most of time it's full. Sometimes I know some players on the table, but
: they are not fish. The big fish I mentioned earlier was an exception, that's
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 93 大实话。
靠live small stake谋生真是够呛。业余打打，赢点可能不难，输了也无关痛痒，总的
赢就开心了。真全职打，就是一磨耐力的工作，下个月的月供，医疗都在这牵着的，状
态大不一样了。
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 很正常，live session 本身时间就少，大多都是周末去的，碰到一个 hot streak, 连
: 续几个礼拜 NL 1/2 打到 $40 / h 完全有可能。
: 可这东西就跟炒股一样，旺的时候觉得没费啥劲就赢钱了，好多人以为这就是自己的
: winrate 了。没想到如果天天这样打，一是没这么多 fish 给你抓，二是 downswing
: 的时候不论怎么打都会输，两头一扯，算下来就没那么多了。player 是打得多的人，
: 应该是有亲身体会的。
: 不过话说回来，NL 2/5 打得多了，回头打 NL 1/2 感觉的确 soft， 打得不好的人也
: 多。要稳定赢钱，NL 1/2 比较容易一些。
: 2/3 年以前我碰到的那些 AC NL 1/2 的 regular, 有一段时间都在 2/5 桌上，大概想
: 升级，可后来，看到他们打了一阵都回到 1/2 去了。钱容易赚，swing 也小，一天赚
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 94 big blinds.
everyone
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: bb or BB?
:
: 100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
: 那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
: 说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
: 而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
: ? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
: 不代表没人能.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 95 僧多粥少的问题。
以前其实online也这样，俺旁观的一桌5/10NL，这样的桌子到去年年初，连FTP这样的
大站也不容易开出来了，俺一看挺好，还full table....结果一个明显点的巴西鱼很快
下去2，3 buy-ins，最后的时候reload是有零有整的(估计是所有剩下的bankroll了)，
结果又被清光。清光他的那个人俺当时查了，是个不小的pro，career winning 1M出头。
鱼跑了，有意思的事情发生了，下家退出，下下家退出....全部退出....
靠，敢情都是指望着吃这条鱼(或者其他类似生面孔)呢？
就这点池塘那够养家糊口的？
each
normally
was
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: If you really play 100+ hours a month in one casino, there could be a side
: benefit.
: Last year, I had the most difficult session in one casino. There are 3-4
: pros (or super regular) on the table. They simply do not fight between each
: other.
: It is a very aggressive table with a lot of raises, reraises and squeezes.
: However, if they are the only ones left in the pot, the aggression normally
: drops significantly. 50% of time they just check down to the river.
: I played 6 hours and only lost one buy-in in the end but feel aweful. It was
: probably the only time I felt at significant disadvantage and can not
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 96 看过MM打牌得视频，我还是相信你的实力的
因为我自己体会的是online的MSNL还是挺难得
100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
说这那里都可以搞出这win r
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 有时侯, 你还偏不要不行邪. 以前玩online, 大家都说最好的reg 也就average 3bb/100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能不代表没人能.
:
: 言)
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 97 谢谢bobo支持。 其实我那4桌rush 后两集都没做完。 black Friday 后就懒得做了。
NL 100 其实是small stake, 还不够mid-stake.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 看过MM打牌得视频，我还是相信你的实力的
: 因为我自己体会的是online的MSNL还是挺难得
:
: 100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
: 那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
: 说这那里都可以搞出这win r
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 98 明显有区别嘛。i know what you meant. 我觉得你说不可能到40$ per hour 太绝对
了。
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: 这两个有区别?
: I didn't mean "likely to not achieve 40$/hour" but "not easy enough to
: achieve 40$/hour".
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 99 不过现在鱼少，难打啊，挺player说rush的话比一般普通桌鱼多点
恩，其实是这样吧，online打多了思路会跟现场不太一样
我看的一些教学视频跟你的思路和平时发帖其实很接近，主要是数学和概率上的运用
各种动作主要考虑的EV比较多，针对不同的对手也是根据数据分析的
我觉得这种思路反正就是长期看能看出来的，打online因为TAG多，edge相对小，很多
地方要比较细才能有盈利，有时候必须细扣一些牌，一手牌或者一种特定情况几个bb的
区别。很可能就造成盈利上巨大差距。
打现场的话，我觉得几个bb的区别可能很多人就不考虑了，所以思路不同。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢bobo支持。 其实我那4桌rush 后两集都没做完。 black Friday 后就懒得做了。
: NL 100 其实是small stake, 还不够mid-stake.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 100 300k说多不多， 说少也不少了， live 要3万小时呐。 不过 这数据总有误差的， 关
键还是要知道这自己的edge在哪不是？
everyone
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: 300k hands is not long run
:
: 100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
: 那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
: 说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
: 而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
: ? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
: 不代表没人能.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 101 现场肯定有不同的。 对手水平高低变化比较大， 打的牌range 也比较大，我们肯定是
要adjust 的。不过adjust 还是要讲逻辑的。网上， 咱也不是没见过40 5 的鱼不是嘛
， 每次坐上我们桌都欢天喜地。 打live 可好， 一桌大部分都是， 那我们还不每次
都爽死。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 不过现在鱼少，难打啊，挺player说rush的话比一般普通桌鱼多点
: 恩，其实是这样吧，online打多了思路会跟现场不太一样
: 我看的一些教学视频跟你的思路和平时发帖其实很接近，主要是数学和概率上的运用
: 各种动作主要考虑的EV比较多，针对不同的对手也是根据数据分析的
: 我觉得这种思路反正就是长期看能看出来的，打online因为TAG多，edge相对小，很多
: 地方要比较细才能有盈利，有时候必须细扣一些牌，一手牌或者一种特定情况几个bb的
: 区别。很可能就造成盈利上巨大差距。
: 打现场的话，我觉得几个bb的区别可能很多人就不考虑了，所以思路不同。
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 102 最近赌场几百miles的只能对你们表示羡慕了！
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 现场肯定有不同的。 对手水平高低变化比较大， 打的牌range 也比较大，我们肯定是
: 要adjust 的。不过adjust 还是要讲逻辑的。网上， 咱也不是没见过40 5 的鱼不是嘛
: ， 每次坐上我们桌都欢天喜地。 打live 可好， 一桌大部分都是， 那我们还不每次
: 都爽死。
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Y**X
发帖数: 241 | 103 最近忙，几天没来了。老大现在打得不错嘛。在拿到Ticket后还能赢出点，心理素质够
强。
track
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是的，哥昨天又玩了一个session。
: 很杯具，兴冲冲的开车快到了，后面警察叔叔邪路杀出，哥一世的金身就这么栽了。
: “去哪？”
: 俺怯怯的，“charles town”
: “charles town干甚？”
: 俺招了，“打牌”
: 警察叔叔很人性化执法，说你记录很好，但是罚单还是在这，只算你超9迈吧，可以少
: 点points(ft, WV point又不会转来俺们州)，不服上庭(嗯，倒是可以再理所当然的来
: 一次)。
: 后来可能觉得这么打击一个外州大叔不妥，呲牙一笑，"good luck at the race track
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 104 别提了，只能说走了点狗屎运，在关键时候拿了几把关键牌，否则也就黄了。
上个session比这个打得好得多，心态平和，玩得也稳，有的放矢。
这个session哥整个一假LAG，无数trash talks，把人给整晕了。
【在 Y**X 的大作中提到】
: 最近忙，几天没来了。老大现在打得不错嘛。在拿到Ticket后还能赢出点，心理素质够
: 强。
:
: track
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 105 偶半年的1-2经验感觉盈率还不到这个的一半...
当然偶水平跟大牛差距还很大 @@
per
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 而且他是1/3 不是1/2. 从BB 的赢率来讲. 40$ per hour at 1/3, 不也就是 26$ per
: hour at 1/2 吗? 这个赢率不夸张吧?
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 106 hehe, good job!
不过你的瘾太大了，别把老婆惹激了，把你给BAN了。。。
track
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是的，哥昨天又玩了一个session。
: 很杯具，兴冲冲的开车快到了，后面警察叔叔邪路杀出，哥一世的金身就这么栽了。
: “去哪？”
: 俺怯怯的，“charles town”
: “charles town干甚？”
: 俺招了，“打牌”
: 警察叔叔很人性化执法，说你记录很好，但是罚单还是在这，只算你超9迈吧，可以少
: 点points(ft, WV point又不会转来俺们州)，不服上庭(嗯，倒是可以再理所当然的来
: 一次)。
: 后来可能觉得这么打击一个外州大叔不妥，呲牙一笑，"good luck at the race track
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 107 LD已经放弃教育俺了，俺就孤独的继续尝试吧，呵呵。
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: hehe, good job!
: 不过你的瘾太大了，别把老婆惹激了，把你给BAN了。。。
:
: track
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 108 赞老大LD 英明。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: LD已经放弃教育俺了，俺就孤独的继续尝试吧，呵呵。
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 109 randy lew can get 4+bb/hand when playing 24 tables on 10-20NL above. I think
a lot of good reg in NL400 rush can get 4+BB/100 as well.
100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
不代表没人能.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 有时侯, 你还偏不要不行邪. 以前玩online, 大家都说最好的reg 也就average 3bb/100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能不代表没人能.
:
: 言)
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