F**S
发帖数: 44 | 1 我自己是紧手型，最loose也就是78s，AXo之类的。
碰到loose对手我就看不懂别人的牌，关键时候会瞎打。
比如我座位右边的牌手我看他很loose，150左右的buyin，river出来先fold这样的人前
面先砸掉了90多刀。
所以后面的牌我和他headsup的时候我都当他bluff。结果一下回到解放前。
1／2的game，他preflop经常bet 12，16这样的，有时候我就会被迫fold掉一些
connected或者小对。
求教各位大牛如何对付这样的loose对手？ | h****5
发帖数: 191 | 2 loosen up, and dont play A rag off. | g***e
发帖数: 88 | 3 78s ax is not tight at all
我自己是紧手型，最loose也就是78s，AXo之类的。碰到loose对手我就看不懂别人的牌
，关键时候会瞎打。比如我座位右边的牌手我看他很loose，150左右的buyin，r......
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【在 F**S 的大作中提到】
: 我自己是紧手型，最loose也就是78s，AXo之类的。
: 碰到loose对手我就看不懂别人的牌，关键时候会瞎打。
: 比如我座位右边的牌手我看他很loose，150左右的buyin，river出来先fold这样的人前
: 面先砸掉了90多刀。
: 所以后面的牌我和他headsup的时候我都当他bluff。结果一下回到解放前。
: 1／2的game，他preflop经常bet 12，16这样的，有时候我就会被迫fold掉一些
: connected或者小对。
: 求教各位大牛如何对付这样的loose对手？
| l*u
发帖数: 1770 | 4 对手是loose aggesive 还是loose passive.
【在 F**S 的大作中提到】
: 我自己是紧手型，最loose也就是78s，AXo之类的。
: 碰到loose对手我就看不懂别人的牌，关键时候会瞎打。
: 比如我座位右边的牌手我看他很loose，150左右的buyin，river出来先fold这样的人前
: 面先砸掉了90多刀。
: 所以后面的牌我和他headsup的时候我都当他bluff。结果一下回到解放前。
: 1／2的game，他preflop经常bet 12，16这样的，有时候我就会被迫fold掉一些
: connected或者小对。
: 求教各位大牛如何对付这样的loose对手？
| F**S
发帖数: 44 | 5
就我看还是aggressive一点，用3段bet压制对手的。。
【在 l*u 的大作中提到】
: 对手是loose aggesive 还是loose passive.
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 6 too bad i cant type Chinese in office
But it is just the same experience that everyone met when learning poker, i'
d love to share some experience with you.
I think it is too shallow to categorize players by loose or tight. We need
get more information from others to play this uncompleted- information game
to help us win the money.
e.g. the one you mentioned, he constantly pushes ppl by preflop raise and
cbet on flop, do you know whether he just shutdown after ppl called his flop
. Or he constantly 3-barrels ppl no matter ppl show some strength or even
after ppl showed him some trap with monster hand.
If you establish that the guy is just a loose aggresive donk. Then the life
is much easier, all you need to do is to tight up your range, I mean, tight
it up for real, like only playing big pairs or ak/aq, and hold on top pair/
over pair and bet out monster hand only(like a true NIT, life like this is
boring tho, but all for the money)
And most important, don't lose your patience and mess with this guy with any
hand, which is exactly he wishes for.
if you realize the guy only push weak tight players and know when to fold,
then it is another story. the best solution is just leave the table.
All I said is a stable way to make money in live low stake NL holdem tables.
Find the fish, value them with monster hand, that is all NITS doing.
At last, I'd like to share you a statement that ed miller says in his book.
"If you think playing like an idiot works, you can try to play like an idiot
to see how it works." | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 赞！
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: too bad i cant type Chinese in office
: But it is just the same experience that everyone met when learning poker, i'
: d love to share some experience with you.
: I think it is too shallow to categorize players by loose or tight. We need
: get more information from others to play this uncompleted- information game
: to help us win the money.
: e.g. the one you mentioned, he constantly pushes ppl by preflop raise and
: cbet on flop, do you know whether he just shutdown after ppl called his flop
: . Or he constantly 3-barrels ppl no matter ppl show some strength or even
: after ppl showed him some trap with monster hand.
| s*********f
发帖数: 155 | 8 Try sitting to his right, so that you are the last to act preflop after his
raise.
【在 F**S 的大作中提到】
: 我自己是紧手型，最loose也就是78s，AXo之类的。
: 碰到loose对手我就看不懂别人的牌，关键时候会瞎打。
: 比如我座位右边的牌手我看他很loose，150左右的buyin，river出来先fold这样的人前
: 面先砸掉了90多刀。
: 所以后面的牌我和他headsup的时候我都当他bluff。结果一下回到解放前。
: 1／2的game，他preflop经常bet 12，16这样的，有时候我就会被迫fold掉一些
: connected或者小对。
: 求教各位大牛如何对付这样的loose对手？
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 9 very nice post!
Feel like i learned sth here...
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: too bad i cant type Chinese in office
: But it is just the same experience that everyone met when learning poker, i'
: d love to share some experience with you.
: I think it is too shallow to categorize players by loose or tight. We need
: get more information from others to play this uncompleted- information game
: to help us win the money.
: e.g. the one you mentioned, he constantly pushes ppl by preflop raise and
: cbet on flop, do you know whether he just shutdown after ppl called his flop
: . Or he constantly 3-barrels ppl no matter ppl show some strength or even
: after ppl showed him some trap with monster hand.
| F**S
发帖数: 44 | 10
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谢谢很好的文章，如果要分类，我就真的是Nit的人，话没错，nit的人不会和钱过不去
，用最少的筹码博最大的受益。。
一般碰到aggressive的又玩的好的选手，我现在都会被迫fold掉一些中下段的牌，然后
仔细观察对手拿什么样的牌bet的range，相信我这个真的很有用，15bet和25bet有时候
真的可以体现出一些信息出来，接下来用较少的筹码来试验自己的判断的正确性。我觉
得这是比较可取的。
幸运的是牌桌上总会有比我还鱼儿的鱼儿，这才是我们赚钱的来源，虽然慢，但是胜在
稳定。。。你只要做的就是每小时$30的速度入账就可以交代了。。
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: too bad i cant type Chinese in office
: But it is just the same experience that everyone met when learning poker, i'
: d love to share some experience with you.
: I think it is too shallow to categorize players by loose or tight. We need
: get more information from others to play this uncompleted- information game
: to help us win the money.
: e.g. the one you mentioned, he constantly pushes ppl by preflop raise and
: cbet on flop, do you know whether he just shutdown after ppl called his flop
: . Or he constantly 3-barrels ppl no matter ppl show some strength or even
: after ppl showed him some trap with monster hand.
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 11 the True Nit occasionally play suited-connectors and AX with position only,
so you are not a Nit.
You are tight, but somehow a little bit weak, which is easy to be exploited.
Those live LaoYeYe like to bet 15, 25, which is a leak. You can only use the
same bet to disguise themselves, but it is not good to follow the pattern
without thinking.
Once MM LaoShi mentioned, if you can not read ppl well, the only way to make
money is to tight up your own range, which is very true.
每小时$30的速度入账 is very hard, at least to me it is. I say, enjoy the
playing, forget about winning/losing, stop thinking if someone or you are
good or bad, dont be result-orianted, keep learning in different situations.
Then life is beautiful. lol |
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