g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 1 For reference, previous answers thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-28-a-1029329/
First, the two big questions for US players:
When are we getting our money back?
- Here's the official statement about where we currently stand on US
withdrawals:
"Since April 15th and the days immediately following, Full Tilt Poker faced
numerous challenges and hurdles to ensuring the smooth operation of its
international business and the orderly return of US player funds. FTP has
worked tirelessly to address these issues and has made significant progress
on both fronts.
FTP's international business operations are returning to normal while we
focus on ensuring the safe and orderly return of US player deposits. We are
absolutely committed to making sure that US players are refunded as soon as
possible. We apologize for the delay and the fact that we underestimated the
time it would take to work through these issues. We will update our US
players when we have more specific information to provide."
And what's going to happen with our points?
- We will be opening up the FTP Store to US players again. All of the
details haven't been worked out yet, but this is how you will be able to use
your points. It's expected that everything in the store will be available
for purchase except for bonuses and tickets. We will be sure to keep
everyone updated when we know more, including when the store will re-open.
Where we're at in terms of reconciling US player accounts:
All promos have been paid out. That includes Take 2, Tournament Leaderboards
, Cash Back, and the FTOPS Satellite Challenge payments.
T$ and Ticket conversion has started, but is a slower process and will
continue through next week.
Pending rakeback payments should also happen next week, but only after all
of the store purchases that need to be refunded have been refunded.
Iron Man medals have been distributed for April's play. Iron Man freeroll
tickets will be converted to medals before all medals are converted to FTPs.
Other answers for US players:
1. what bout my cashout on april 15th that obviously hasn't come AND has not
been put back into my account?!
- All cashouts that were never received (or checks that were received but
couldn't be deposited) should be placed back into your Full Tilt account
this coming week.
2. Can there be an "opt-out" for the medals/points conversions? Since it
looks like there won't be a forced cash-out for relocating players, can we
just keep our accounts intact?
- There is no opt-out for the medals conversion, but we won't be forcing
anyone to use their points if they'd prefer waiting until they can play
again to use them.
3. what about FTP store purchases made prior to April 15th, but weren't sent
out yet and put on hold. Are we going to get FTPs back for those or are you
going to start sending those out soon?
- We are going to cancel and give the FTPs (or medals) back for any store
purchases that have not yet shipped.
4. you tell us we'll get our pending rakeback, but what about reimbursement
for rakeback hits for store items that haven't and won't come?
- We will make sure any MGR hit is reversed on any store shipments that have
to be cancelled. This is one of the reasons the final rakeback payments
were delayed.
5. if we final tabled a FTOPS or MiniFTOPS event in the last series, will
people in the United States still receive the jacket that they are supposed
to get?
- Yes, these will still be sent out.
6. Posting to make sure you dont forget about PMI doug. Also an update on
that would be nice as last week you said people were still working on it.
- We have confirmed that the recurring charge will not happen again. As far
as we can tell it didn't happen in April, so that's a good sign. There is
still an ongoing investigation into exactly what happened and how.
7. just noticed the "my promotions" page doesnt work either. not sure how
they can get the academy, iron man stuff right without these pages
functioning.
- I'm looking into this.
Answers for non-US players:
8. Moneybookers?
- Moneybookers has been turned back on for some countries. Once it's
confirmed everything is flowing smoothly more countries will be added.
9. CAN YOU PLEASE INCREASE THE MAX BUYIN FOR RUSH.
- There are no plans for this at the moment, sorry.
10. I think the tournament time shifts are definitely a good idea. However,
you need to shift more than just a few of the majors. By shifting just these
few tournaments it actually makes the tourney schedule considerably more
inconvenient.
- What "normal" tournaments do you feel are missing from earlier times? Most
US prime time tournaments have a Euro prime time equivalent already, so we
didn't think shifting the entire schedule was necessary. If there are
particular tournaments you think the Euro friendlier schedule is still
missing, though, let us know and we can shift the later version or just add
a new version of it at an earlier time.
11. Will this effect Iron Man freerolls as well
- Yeah, Iron Man freerolls will start a few hours earlier than they used to.
12. Whats going to happen to the Cash Back Bonus for those people who are
planning to be in the US for the whole of the WSOP? Are FTP going to make a
1-time exception so we don't lose it?
- We'll figure something out to make sure you don't lose it.
13. I see the 150 seats to the WSOP has been removed. Are you planning on
doing something like a 50 or 75 Gtd?
- No plans for that, no. The entire WSOP promotion has been scaled back, and
that larger qualifier was one of the casualties.
14. Not sure if this has already been posted; but if you select this option
[Auto-Close SNGs] & play a matrix, when 1 table closes the whole tourney
shuts down?
- One of the small updates last week was to address this bug. It should work
fine now, sorry about that.
15. Can you please give back some incentives for table starters
- I'll look into it again for sure.
Doug |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 wtf. we want our money back asap. looks like this is going to take even
longer. ftp blows. |
k******t
发帖数: 257 | 3 Why the f takes so long? There is realistic chance ftp swallow our money.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: wtf. we want our money back asap. looks like this is going to take even
: longer. ftp blows.
|
g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 4 Looks like ftp indeed has cash flow issue. Not sure what's next step they
are going to do. People @ 2+2 are running out of patience. Some one is
talking buy/sell ftp $$ @0.8 rate. Any one knows how it works? |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 i don't think you can sell your ftp $$ since US player can't even transfer
fund. the delay sucks but I think the chances of FTP run with our $$ is
still pretty low. |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6 agree. I do not think there is possible safe way to sell/buy ftp $ now.
I think they will refund us eventually unless they really go broke. It seems
that they have cash flow problem now.
BTW, they gave me FTP points back today that I used in April 15. FTP store
will be reopen soon, guess we need to hurry up to order something. Guess
these Ipod stuff have best value. I will have around 200k points after
these medals are converted to points.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i don't think you can sell your ftp $$ since US player can't even transfer
: fund. the delay sucks but I think the chances of FTP run with our $$ is
: still pretty low.
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 几十亿的罚单在那里悬而未决，估计FTP在算计怎么着最保险，怕最后是赔了夫人又折
兵。
PS的欧洲base要大些，估计也要底气足些。
短时间估计也就拖着，不说给也不说不给。最怕是逼急了不要脸来个金蝉脱壳，把软件
，还能赚钱的欧洲业务什么的卖给换汤不换药的XX公司，拍拍屁股结束FTP。
.
seems
store
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: agree. I do not think there is possible safe way to sell/buy ftp $ now.
: I think they will refund us eventually unless they really go broke. It seems
: that they have cash flow problem now.
: BTW, they gave me FTP points back today that I used in April 15. FTP store
: will be reopen soon, guess we need to hurry up to order something. Guess
: these Ipod stuff have best value. I will have around 200k points after
: these medals are converted to points.
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 heard ftp got 1B$ fine, while PS got 1.5B$. most possible result is they
reach certain deal with DOJ and pay a lot less fine later on.
With the way has been going, it is quite uncertain when FTP will
start to refund. Can not count on it right now. They are unlikely to go
broke ,imo , online poker market is about 5Billion/year, and it is getting
globalized. their traffic only drops about 33% 1 month after BF. PS drops
even less.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 几十亿的罚单在那里悬而未决，估计FTP在算计怎么着最保险，怕最后是赔了夫人又折
: 兵。
: PS的欧洲base要大些，估计也要底气足些。
: 短时间估计也就拖着，不说给也不说不给。最怕是逼急了不要脸来个金蝉脱壳，把软件
: ，还能赚钱的欧洲业务什么的卖给换汤不换药的XX公司，拍拍屁股结束FTP。
:
: .
: seems
: store
|
g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 9 Mike Matusow said PS is much bigger and has much more money than ftp. that's
why.
http://www.quadjacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/mikemattie1
I got my points returned as well. Lot of people in 2+2 lose focus, they keep
asking some other non-critical things. I think withdraw $$ is top priority,
then we can talk about points/medals/un-used bonus/tickets...
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: heard ftp got 1B$ fine, while PS got 1.5B$. most possible result is they
: reach certain deal with DOJ and pay a lot less fine later on.
: With the way has been going, it is quite uncertain when FTP will
: start to refund. Can not count on it right now. They are unlikely to go
: broke ,imo , online poker market is about 5Billion/year, and it is getting
: globalized. their traffic only drops about 33% 1 month after BF. PS drops
: even less.
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 俺猜FTP可能还有一个重大的难言之隐，就是从去年11月起，大批的美国牌手存款就出
了问题，直到BF长达半年也没有解决，这笔钱估计数量很大。PS有段时间也有这个问题，
但是它们的反应速度很快，几天就可以反馈，提不到的钱马上从牌手帐上扣掉。
现在FTP里外不是人，中间商让镇压了，法院/FBI又堵死了资金进出，牌手又催着要钱
，挤兑风潮。那一大笔存款更是没有希望拿到了(估计已经是烂帐)，这边又不好直接跟
牌手说那么咱们两不相欠吧。
还有大批的points, medals什么以前怎么也不会出现大家同时挤兑的东东，现在也一起
来添乱，够恶的。
FTP还裁了不少人，处理速度肯定也大打折扣。
雪上加霜啊。
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: heard ftp got 1B$ fine, while PS got 1.5B$. most possible result is they
: reach certain deal with DOJ and pay a lot less fine later on.
: With the way has been going, it is quite uncertain when FTP will
: start to refund. Can not count on it right now. They are unlikely to go
: broke ,imo , online poker market is about 5Billion/year, and it is getting
: globalized. their traffic only drops about 33% 1 month after BF. PS drops
: even less.
|
|
|
s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 11 我觉得主要是FTP在那个过程中被很多人利用了这个漏洞搞了很多次chip dump
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 俺猜FTP可能还有一个重大的难言之隐，就是从去年11月起，大批的美国牌手存款就出
: 了问题，直到BF长达半年也没有解决，这笔钱估计数量很大。PS有段时间也有这个问题，
: 但是它们的反应速度很快，几天就可以反馈，提不到的钱马上从牌手帐上扣掉。
: 现在FTP里外不是人，中间商让镇压了，法院/FBI又堵死了资金进出，牌手又催着要钱
: ，挤兑风潮。那一大笔存款更是没有希望拿到了(估计已经是烂帐)，这边又不好直接跟
: 牌手说那么咱们两不相欠吧。
: 还有大批的points, medals什么以前怎么也不会出现大家同时挤兑的东东，现在也一起
: 来添乱，够恶的。
: FTP还裁了不少人，处理速度肯定也大打折扣。
: 雪上加霜啊。
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 不好意思，呵呵。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得主要是FTP在那个过程中被很多人利用了这个漏洞搞了很多次chip dump
|
s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 13 ????
不好意思？
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不好意思，呵呵。
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 占了点小便宜的含羞掩面而过。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: ????
: 不好意思？
|
s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 15 +1
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 占了点小便宜的含羞掩面而过。
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 胆子小了，胆子小了，sigh，怎么着也应该把这些年的rake给全都back来的，呵呵。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: +1
|
s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 17 还是版大运气好，在BF之前cash out了
我都没来得及
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 胆子小了，胆子小了，sigh，怎么着也应该把这些年的rake给全都back来的，呵呵。
|
t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 18 PS还钱快不是因为他们市场大，而是因为他们注册在了isle of man（估计要不是因为
PS没几个人知道这个地方吧？）。当地法律规定，gaming site必须单独存放玩家资金
。换句话说，BF一发生，PS只要掐断美国线路，统计两天balance，跟DOJ达成deal（打
通processing）就可以开始还钱。而FTP是注册在爱尔兰的，当地法律不要求gaming
site单独存放玩家资金，所以poker community里很多人认为FTP在借机黑钱/投资短时
间内收不回来导致没钱还给US玩家。当然，seregated account的缺点在于那些钱不能
用来生钱，所以business角度来说是个劣势，但是在BF的背景下反而救了PS。 |
t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 19 另外小brag一下，3月的时候从FTP挪到了PS... |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 both you and fryking are genius....
the rest of us. brag 一下各stuck 在ftp了多少吧。。。 估计goes 和player 肯定
比过多。。。
【在 t********t 的大作中提到】
: 另外小brag一下，3月的时候从FTP挪到了PS...
|
|
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 21
这次被ftp害的太惨了， 穷的俺天天啃玉米..
老大在fbi有内线， 也不偷着通报一下.. ：P
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: both you and fryking are genius....
: the rest of us. brag 一下各stuck 在ftp了多少吧。。。 估计goes 和player 肯定
: 比过多。。。
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 lol, i'm weak tight in money too, even before bf, i never left much online
and this is one of the reaons why i could never move up. i strive to keep
what i got.
you guys are way better/stronger than me in emotion control, i'd lose sleep
if i had 5 or 4 figure rolls stuck there.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 这次被ftp害的太惨了， 穷的俺天天啃玉米..
: 老大在fbi有内线， 也不偷着通报一下.. ：P
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 before bf, they didn't take my deposits for months, so i figured we'd be "
even" for a long dry down swing...
but then they cashed out for me before bf, i had to call it a bonus, hehe.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: both you and fryking are genius....
: the rest of us. brag 一下各stuck 在ftp了多少吧。。。 估计goes 和player 肯定
: 比过多。。。
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 24 it seems your guessing is right. Here is a reasonable explanation about
the delay of FTP cashout. they also could use poker player's fund to pay
cost like advertising fee,redline pro salary etc. they would not have
cashflow problem without bf anyway. I am listening Mike the mouth 's
interview, it seems he is quite out of his mind now. keep saying f*** word
to Tony G.
http://mpethypoker.com/
it seems that we have to wait a while before getting our money.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: before bf, they didn't take my deposits for months, so i figured we'd be "
: even" for a long dry down swing...
: but then they cashed out for me before bf, i had to call it a bonus, hehe.
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 本来就都是外快赢来的钱， 对我来说没啥lose sleep的。 but if someone play for
living, i can understand. Normally they would have much more than I have
there anyway. Worse come to the worse, I just assume I didn't make as much
as I did this year. I think the chance is low, but I am not too worried even
if it turns out to be the worse.
Poker money easy come easy go. When they come easy, I don't even feel the
pain when it goes away, spent or being taken by ftp.. hehe.
sleep
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: lol, i'm weak tight in money too, even before bf, i never left much online
: and this is one of the reaons why i could never move up. i strive to keep
: what i got.
: you guys are way better/stronger than me in emotion control, i'd lose sleep
: if i had 5 or 4 figure rolls stuck there.
|
g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 26 yeah, just think my rest in ftp is reserved for my future wsop main event.
it's 外快 anyway. The return for my $600 deposit is huge already.
Bad beats happens...Stay cool...
for
much
even
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 本来就都是外快赢来的钱， 对我来说没啥lose sleep的。 but if someone play for
: living, i can understand. Normally they would have much more than I have
: there anyway. Worse come to the worse, I just assume I didn't make as much
: as I did this year. I think the chance is low, but I am not too worried even
: if it turns out to be the worse.
: Poker money easy come easy go. When they come easy, I don't even feel the
: pain when it goes away, spent or being taken by ftp.. hehe.
:
: sleep
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 zan both of you, lol!
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: yeah, just think my rest in ftp is reserved for my future wsop main event.
: it's 外快 anyway. The return for my $600 deposit is huge already.
: Bad beats happens...Stay cool...
:
: for
: much
: even
|
