g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 1 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/ftp-answers
Hi all,
I've been collecting your unanswered questions and asking around for the
answers. The questions that I've "ignored" aren't answered below either
because I don't have any kind of answer yet, I can't give any kind answer
yet, or they're more general questions that I'll answer in the next "normal"
Answers thread. Apologies for the long delay in posting again here.
Unfortunately the process of posting is drawn way out when my answers need
to be double and triple approved instead of my normal one man show.
We're also working on getting a FAQ page up on the US site soon.
1. Any estimate on when we [US players] can begin cashing out?
- Here's the official statement about this question: "Full Tilt Poker is
diligently working on return of US Players funds which is a top priority and
will have a further update for US customers by early next week."
2. What is the procedure for assessing the value of USA player accounts?
Tournament tickets (including IM freeroll tickets)
- Tournament tickets will be converted to their real money value before
withdrawal. I don't have a final answer about freeroll tickets, but my best
guess is they will be left untouched (not converted, but not taken from the
account).
Cash game tickets (soon will be "expired cash game tickets")
- All Ring Game ticket balances will be converted to real money, even if
they've expired since the 15th.
FTP points (as if converted to tourney tickets?)
- We're still looking into this one. It's unclear what we can do with FTPs,
but they definitely won't just "go away."
IM medals (as if converted to tourney tickets?)
- We're still looking into this as well. My guess is they will be converted
to FTPs once we determine what will be done with FTPs.
Bonuses in progress (pro rata as if points/medals refunded?)
- Bonuses purchased with points or medals will likely have their "unused"
points/medals refunded. First time deposit bonuses (or any other non-
purchased bonuses) will probably just expire.
IM progress in April (as if purchased up to 4 days for next level? medal
value of freeroll?)
- We're looking into this as well, but I think we'll give a pro-rated April
status (and medals) of some sort. The details still need to be worked out.
Unpaid rakeback (or cashback or whatever)
- This will be paid out as soon as possible. Almost definitely before
cashouts are turned on.
Progress toward promised mid-year bonus
- This is still under discussion, but I think it's unlikely we'll pay out a
potential bonus in cash. What might happen is that we preserve the "
potential" from January through April and add it to the next one of those
bonuses that our US players might be eligible for.
Accumulated months in IM
- These will be frozen in time until a player starts playing again. You won'
t have your streak broken because you can't play at the moment.
FTP Academy points
- Academy points will be treated the same as Iron Man medals, and likely be
converted to FTPs.
Take 2 promotion
- Take 2 will be paid out (on a pro-rated basis of some sort since US
players couldn't participate in the final day or two) as soon as possible,
again before cashouts are turned on.
3. Will United States players who move to a new country be allowed to resume
play at the site and/or withdraw their funds to a non-US bank account?
- I needed to get a very official answer on this one as well:
"Yes. But your existing account and balance will not yet be available on
logging in. You will be required to provide sufficient proof of relocation,
including your photo identification and proof of residency at your new
address. You can then use non-US funds to play from outside the US. And,
after return of your US funds, you will be able to use those funds as well
from outside the US."
I know that's still a bit fuzzy, sorry about that. We'll work on clearing up
all the details as soon as possible.
4. but Moneybookers are unavailable as a cashout option
- Sorry, this was my mistake. The MB issue is separate from other issues,
and we're working with them to resolve the situation as soon as possible. I
don't have an exact timeline for when it will be available again, but we're
hopeful it will be soon.
5. I am a canadian player and it looks like Instadebit is disabled. Im just
curious if you plan to use Instadebit in the near future?
- Instadebit should be up and running now. Let us know if that's not the
case.
6. What about the money that the payment processors BOUNCED us in checks?
And pending withdrawals via check that have not been received? Do we e-mail
support with the bounced checks? Are the checks requested prior to 4/15
going to be received? Are they good?
- Definitely email c*****[email protected] if a check bounced. If you
already emailed them a while ago and they haven't gotten back to you, PM
FTPSean and he will see if there's anything he can do to help speed things
along. You should also email cashier with the other questions so they can
look into the specific case for you as I don't think there's a general
answer that covers all cases.
7. Is there an estimate time table for withdrawals to Neteller?
- Many players started getting their Neteller withdrawals late last week.
There have been a couple of hiccups along the way, so there is still a bit
of a delay until that clears up, but things are looking good to resume
normal withdrawal speeds within a week or so.
8. cashed in medals for points last night but still haven't been credited my
points.
- If you are in the US, we aren't currently processing Iron Man purchases.
It's likely the order will be cancelled and you'll be refunded the medals.
If you aren't in the US, there's currently a bit of a delay in the
processing because of the US block. Sorry about that.
9. Can players in the US still buy things from the FTP store?
- Not at the moment, no.
10. What is going to be done with the multiple US players who were
previously able to change their location?
- They have been reset back to have the United States as their country. They
won't be disqualified from any tournaments they happened to enter, though.
11. Address the PMI issue
- We haven't forgotten about this. I haven't seen an update in about two
weeks, as you might imagine, but I know we are still looking into it.
12. am I gonna get my tv i ordered last monday before Black Friday?
- For the moment the store isn't shipping to any US address. If your item
already shipped it will get to you. If it was ordered but not yet shipped,
it's been placed on hold. If it turns out we have to cancel those orders,
your FTPs will be returned to your account. If you want more details about
your specific order, please contact the FTP store at customersupport@
fulltiltpoker.com and they can look up the status of your order.
13. when are you paying the take 2 money ?
- Non-US players should have already been paid for Take 2. For US players,
see question 2. If you are a non-US player and haven't gotten paid for Take
2 yet, contact support and they will look into it for you. We were pretty
conservative when it came to identifying players as US players so it's
possible you were wrongly tagged and that's why you haven't gotten paid yet.
14. I'm very curious as to what will happen to players that made deposits
that have not yet been collected from their bank accounts?
- At this point it's not clear what will happen here. We're looking into it
and as soon as we know more we'll inform the affected players.
15. i just cashed out large parts of my roll via local bank transfer because
i'm still not sure whats happening and i obviously wanna be rather safe
than sorry. rumours say that full tilt went bankrupt and is going to have
problems to pay out euro players once they start paying the players from the
u.s. can you comment on that and explain why my money is supposed to be
safe? i dont wanna go to stars or something bc i hate that site but when it
comes to security/reliability stars is looking way better these days than
full tilt. how can i be sure that my funds are really safe?
- We are not bankrupt. While there is some fallout from the US situation on
non-US withdrawals (mostly in the form of delays), we won't have any
problems paying out Euro (or any other) players, even after players in the
US have their withdrawals processed.
16. why Webmoney still not working, sir?
- I'm hearing the Webmoney issue will be resolved within a week or so. Sorry
for the delay.
17. What about FT [transaction] history. When will that be back up?
- Transaction History should be working again for US players tomorrow I
think. If not tomorrow, then by next week at the latest. Sorry about that.
18. can us players still play the race to the main event freeroll?
- No, I'm afraid not.
19. We all need an answer to when and how long it should take for FTP
support to get back to us.
- There are a couple of issues here. One is for US players getting nothing
back except for a generic template explaining the current situation (or,
worse, nothing at all). This was the advice given to support by our legal
team, so their hands were tied. We're trying to get more clarity here as
soon as possible as to what exactly they can and can't say (as opposed to
the current "don't say anything" approach) so that support can be more
helpful to US players. I do apologize for the length of silence coming from
Full Tilt. It's a sensitive situation and I think we probably were a bit
overly cautious here.
20. What will happen with my bankwire I req in early march that still hasnt
gone thru?
- Contact c*****[email protected] (or FTPSean if the cashier people haven'
t gotten back to you in a reasonable amount of time) with all of the details
and they will look into it for you.
Again, let me apologize for the length of time it's taken to give these
answers (and apologize for the fact that many of the answers aren’t very
satisfying yet). I'm going to do my best to keep everyone as up to date as
possible as often as possible, but the situation is complicated and I'm
pretty limited in what I can say without a bunch of approval.
Doug |
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 good if they can keep their promises.
great if they indeed convert everything fairly to $.
normal"
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/ftp-answers
: Hi all,
: I've been collecting your unanswered questions and asking around for the
: answers. The questions that I've "ignored" aren't answered below either
: because I don't have any kind of answer yet, I can't give any kind answer
: yet, or they're more general questions that I'll answer in the next "normal"
: Answers thread. Apologies for the long delay in posting again here.
: Unfortunately the process of posting is drawn way out when my answers need
: to be double and triple approved instead of my normal one man show.
: We're also working on getting a FAQ page up on the US site soon.
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 3 fryking, do you still have tons of ftp, medals and tickets? or you have
cashed them all already?
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: good if they can keep their promises.
: great if they indeed convert everything fairly to $.
:
: normal"
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 4 As I mentioned before, the ftp points are time bomb for fulltilt since
people accumulate millions of ftp points and never use them. Now fulltilt
has trouble to handle them at one time...
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: fryking, do you still have tons of ftp, medals and tickets? or you have
: cashed them all already?
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 5 I doubt they will convert FTP points to $.
My best guess is they will say they are gonna to keep your account status(BC
)
and FTP points until US players are legal to play on their website.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: As I mentioned before, the ftp points are time bomb for fulltilt since
: people accumulate millions of ftp points and never use them. Now fulltilt
: has trouble to handle them at one time...
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 6 I bet the ticker will be converted to $ with 5% fee charge.
Not sure why not FTP/PS collect tax on the revenue from US players. Guess if
that, the $ after tax could be too slim. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 the ftp points will probably be converted to $ since you can buy tickets
with them so it is just like $$, but the rate will not be favorable because
the rake back hit will not affect US player who can't play anymore. They
definitely will take this into consideration. |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 yeah
i do not think they will keep any points for us, neither will they give us a
good deal on these ftp points.
because
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: the ftp points will probably be converted to $ since you can buy tickets
: with them so it is just like $$, but the rate will not be favorable because
: the rake back hit will not affect US player who can't play anymore. They
: definitely will take this into consideration.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 i got out weeks before this mess, lucky.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: fryking, do you still have tons of ftp, medals and tickets? or you have
: cashed them all already?
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 points are extra bonus, if they convert them fairly, great, otherwise,
compared with pending $$$, anything back is ok.
us a
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: yeah
: i do not think they will keep any points for us, neither will they give us a
: good deal on these ftp points.
:
: because
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 can points still buy things like TV, etc? i mean now.
because
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: the ftp points will probably be converted to $ since you can buy tickets
: with them so it is just like $$, but the rate will not be favorable because
: the rake back hit will not affect US player who can't play anymore. They
: definitely will take this into consideration.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 although doug mentioned they're not bankrupt, with all these things going on
, i really doubt.
ftp is no different than a bank, if half of your customers suddenly have to
withdraw money and all extras (medals, points, etc.), AND you have to pay
processing fees to middle processors, AND at the same time, much less
deposit, ... their cash flow cannot handle this.
plus, they already lost a ton of money since last nov., they couldn't
process deposits timely.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: As I mentioned before, the ftp points are time bomb for fulltilt since
: people accumulate millions of ftp points and never use them. Now fulltilt
: has trouble to handle them at one time...
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 13 No, not this time. Store is closed. I redeemed about 200k points on Black
Friday but looks like my order is on hold.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: can points still buy things like TV, etc? i mean now.
:
: because
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 they don't have rights to collect tax, and on behalf of who?
if
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: I bet the ticker will be converted to $ with 5% fee charge.
: Not sure why not FTP/PS collect tax on the revenue from US players. Guess if
: that, the $ after tax could be too slim.
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 15 Lucky you~~~
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i got out weeks before this mess, lucky.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 sigh, indeed a pity, i mean online poker going down like this.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: No, not this time. Store is closed. I redeemed about 200k points on Black
: Friday but looks like my order is on hold.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 it's just silly timing, lol. i have had this thought of quitting poker for
long, and finally made up my mind right before this. it looks like even
poker god nods, hehe.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Lucky you~~~
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 18 admire. Dude, you have good foresee
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: it's just silly timing, lol. i have had this thought of quitting poker for
: long, and finally made up my mind right before this. it looks like even
: poker god nods, hehe.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 lol, you made me wonder if i should go out to buy a -EV megamillion ticket
today.
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: admire. Dude, you have good foresee
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 20 I withdrew every penny out beginning of April. And use all ftp to buy a bunch of gift like iPod touch, playing cards, after I have long delays of withdrawing my money, I know sth is up.
For some reason I deposited another $200 into my account and run it up to 1.
5k. Now my winning get stuck and I have 24k ftp point become useless. Should
have used them all. haha
I think they will never get the deposit, the middle processer either get
cracked down or run with the player money. I read sth like that in a NY
times blog. Still doubt ftp can survive it and do the refund, because almost
50% of its traffic is from US players. It is a multi-hit for FTP. |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 21 haha, you must work in DOJ or at least some insiders from DOJ
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: it's just silly timing, lol. i have had this thought of quitting poker for
: long, and finally made up my mind right before this. it looks like even
: poker god nods, hehe.
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 22 wait until the prize pool go beyond 100M
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: lol, you made me wonder if i should go out to buy a -EV megamillion ticket
: today.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 23 Like MM said, I do not really worry about getting my money back there. But
during this crisis, FTP shows that it is a second tier company compared
with PS. I understand PS and FTP take different legal approach, but it is
not enough exuse to treat customers like this.
There are good chance that they will come back to U.S market, I am
sure PS will get more respect then. Just like when .com was bubbled, many
companies had lay off. I remember cisco had to make some lay off as well,
but they offer a very nice exit package to these employees who got laid off.
They got lot of respect for that and they make a good ocmeback later on and
still NO 1 in networking.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: sigh, indeed a pity, i mean online poker going down like this.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 that's what we do at work. we have like 20 people pool and always start
buying after it goes beyong 100M. 2$ per person. it is priceless to
purchase a dream with 2$.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: wait until the prize pool go beyond 100M
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 25 hehe 我不会批评FTP，因为FTP让我freeroll了，而且取过一次钱了
如果这次FTP还能让我取钱，我就佩服了，哈哈
But
off.
and
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: Like MM said, I do not really worry about getting my money back there. But
: during this crisis, FTP shows that it is a second tier company compared
: with PS. I understand PS and FTP take different legal approach, but it is
: not enough exuse to treat customers like this.
:
: There are good chance that they will come back to U.S market, I am
: sure PS will get more respect then. Just like when .com was bubbled, many
: companies had lay off. I remember cisco had to make some lay off as well,
: but they offer a very nice exit package to these employees who got laid off.
: They got lot of respect for that and they make a good ocmeback later on and
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 26 is that same to these ppl hitting penny slot machine in Casino? ;) a
penny for a dream. I remember a old lady over 60 years old hit a jackpot in
AC with penny machine a few years ago , worth something like 100M. She was single, and three young men propose to marry her after that. lol.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: that's what we do at work. we have like 20 people pool and always start
: buying after it goes beyong 100M. 2$ per person. it is priceless to
: purchase a dream with 2$.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 27 dude, you are such a good boy...
what do u mean freeroll? deposit there and they did not take your
money out of bank? withdraw once? I only deposit once and withdraw at least
50 times, still hate them now... :P
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: hehe 我不会批评FTP，因为FTP让我freeroll了，而且取过一次钱了
: 如果这次FTP还能让我取钱，我就佩服了，哈哈
:
: But
: off.
: and
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 28 en, they can't take my money from my bank account since last Nov.
least
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: dude, you are such a good boy...
: what do u mean freeroll? deposit there and they did not take your
: money out of bank? withdraw once? I only deposit once and withdraw at least
: 50 times, still hate them now... :P
:
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 29 才发现你原来是 足球斑竹， 最近有什么好的盘吗？偶住在赌城几年，一共也没赌
过五场球。
每次都是压二十块。前年冠军杯决赛， 把撒对满连， 那时满连还有ｃ 罗和特威茨
，觉得两个对实力对等， 俺虽然是把撒球迷， 但 赌场给的ｌｉｎｅ是 １２８：
１００，满连是下狗， 就 买了二十快满连， 亏了。。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: en, they can't take my money from my bank account since last Nov.
:
: least
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 30 我赌球只做+EV的下注，一般来说99%的盘口是-EV的，因为一般都要rake 3%-5%左右
有几个办法：找数据时间差，有的网站数据更新慢，用快的网站指导慢的网站
找不同网站的盘口，加起来返还超过100%的，其实也不少这样的机会
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 才发现你原来是 足球斑竹， 最近有什么好的盘吗？偶住在赌城几年，一共也没赌
: 过五场球。
: 每次都是压二十块。前年冠军杯决赛， 把撒对满连， 那时满连还有ｃ 罗和特威茨
: ，觉得两个对实力对等， 俺虽然是把撒球迷， 但 赌场给的ｌｉｎｅ是 １２８：
: １００，满连是下狗， 就 买了二十快满连， 亏了。。
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 31 多谢。 那你觉得赌球的 ROI和 risk/reword 跟扑克比如何？ there are lots of
professional sports betting team in Vegas, some make millions. Usually a
small team in a usual year can make about 100k/ foot ball season. some just
bought the data from guys like Dr. Bob. He is a stat Ph.d from Berkely.
Vegas casino hired a bunch of Stat Ph.d from MIT to do the line. Heard
there is bigger edge in NCAA, but the casino does not allow big bet on
college.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 我赌球只做+EV的下注，一般来说99%的盘口是-EV的，因为一般都要rake 3%-5%左右
: 有几个办法：找数据时间差，有的网站数据更新慢，用快的网站指导慢的网站
: 找不同网站的盘口，加起来返还超过100%的，其实也不少这样的机会
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 32 soccer too? now we have more in common, lol.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 我赌球只做+EV的下注，一般来说99%的盘口是-EV的，因为一般都要rake 3%-5%左右
: 有几个办法：找数据时间差，有的网站数据更新慢，用快的网站指导慢的网站
: 找不同网站的盘口，加起来返还超过100%的，其实也不少这样的机会
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 33 sports statistics? are we betting against the house? or betting against
other players in a pool, where the house only run the pool for us and charges
some fee? bobo's +ev betting looks more like arbitrage than gambling.
just
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 多谢。 那你觉得赌球的 ROI和 risk/reword 跟扑克比如何？ there are lots of
: professional sports betting team in Vegas, some make millions. Usually a
: small team in a usual year can make about 100k/ foot ball season. some just
: bought the data from guys like Dr. Bob. He is a stat Ph.d from Berkely.
: Vegas casino hired a bunch of Stat Ph.d from MIT to do the line. Heard
: there is bigger edge in NCAA, but the casino does not allow big bet on
: college.
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 34 soccer Only，呵呵
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: soccer too? now we have more in common, lol.
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 35 against house
charges
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: sports statistics? are we betting against the house? or betting against
: other players in a pool, where the house only run the pool for us and charges
: some fee? bobo's +ev betting looks more like arbitrage than gambling.
:
: just
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 36 看你做什么了，
我那种方法risk很小，当然reward很低，搞不了多久
sportbook比较恶心的一点是，看你赚钱了，就给你设置各种limit，限制你的下注大小
just
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 多谢。 那你觉得赌球的 ROI和 risk/reword 跟扑克比如何？ there are lots of
: professional sports betting team in Vegas, some make millions. Usually a
: small team in a usual year can make about 100k/ foot ball season. some just
: bought the data from guys like Dr. Bob. He is a stat Ph.d from Berkely.
: Vegas casino hired a bunch of Stat Ph.d from MIT to do the line. Heard
: there is bigger edge in NCAA, but the casino does not allow big bet on
: college.
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 37 betting against other players这种模式是交易所模式
世界上最大的sport book 交易所是betfair
基本原理是house收手续费，不同玩家可以买/卖,支持/反对某个项目，交易所帮助
你自动match从中收取交易手续费。相对于house在很多项目上收的费用更少，有点像
poker广收你的rake，让player之间玩去。
不过这些英国网站都因为UIGEA被赶出北美了
还是欧洲好啊，这些都不封，而且tax非常低/基本没有
charges
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: sports statistics? are we betting against the house? or betting against
: other players in a pool, where the house only run the pool for us and charges
: some fee? bobo's +ev betting looks more like arbitrage than gambling.
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