f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 pre-flop, limps AQ
flop, checks
turn, calls my tiny 3bb
river, 估计又要到网上去骂fulltilt尽出怪牌了。 | z********i
发帖数: 3192 | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 This straight is the only hand you beat of all the range of hand that will
call this shove. Probably only fish will call this shove too with a straight
..
moral of the story--this shove has no value most of time except value town
yourself. | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 4 no, 如果对方正好一对6也会call滴
straight
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: This straight is the only hand you beat of all the range of hand that will
: call this shove. Probably only fish will call this shove too with a straight
: ..
: moral of the story--this shove has no value most of time except value town
: yourself.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 a little thin too, but maybe. But I did leave 66 out by mistake. ^_^
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: no, 如果对方正好一对6也会call滴
:
: straight
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 i bet almost pot on river, he raises me, what else should i do? mini-raise
back? (as you called "lose value"), hehe.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: a little thin too, but maybe. But I did leave 66 out by mistake. ^_^
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 66 will call this most likely. but that is only 1 combo... Straight is terrible to call this over shove.. raise fold is ok since the stack is still deep
deep.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: a little thin too, but maybe. But I did leave 66 out by mistake. ^_^
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 I do not know really. Raise fold seems bad vs fish. if you are raising
calling I like shove better. I think it is ok to reraise to 19 and fold to
a reshove vs competent player. There are just too many full house combo
have you beat. I would even consider 66 a bluff catcher or retardness
catcher on a shove.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i bet almost pot on river, he raises me, what else should i do? mini-raise
: back? (as you called "lose value"), hehe.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 The situation here is completely different from KK962 board to shove 99 on
the river. Just construct the calling range of a shove and you can see it
very easily.
Shoving KK962 all day river with 9s facing action.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i bet almost pot on river, he raises me, what else should i do? mini-raise
: back? (as you called "lose value"), hehe.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 Look at how people are discussing playing second nut flush on river.. Now
think about this hand. It should be very helpful. since you are like the
101th nuts.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/96/small-stakes-full-ring/sizing-second-nuts-894835/
Both players clearly have a flush. now the problem is whether you should
raise on the donk bet river with second nuts. raise/fold or call or raise/
call or shove.
the villian in this hand is a regular poster on 2+2, very good player in
general. I think the original poster is just a fish who visits 2+2..
in general if your opponents is not a total donk/fish, I feel it is raise/fold > call>shove> raise call.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: The situation here is completely different from KK962 board to shove 99 on
: the river. Just construct the calling range of a shove and you can see it
: very easily.
: Shoving KK962 all day river with 9s facing action.
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 11 Raise to ~ 17 and fold to shove. It's pretty thin, but still a full house(I
know I am donk/fish, could not resist the extra thin value...LOL)
Regs will not call you donk shove with str8 for sure, can only get value
from fish. 66? may be, but 66 should be removed from the range because of
the turn actions.
KT/JT looks so possible.
so, given your stack, you shove on river:
1. for Regs, 100% -EV.
2. for fish, still -EV as str8 is the only hand you get more value and we
assume fish will call.
Will you shove if both of you have 200BB behind, if you do, that will be
terrible/horrible.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i bet almost pot on river, he raises me, what else should i do? mini-raise
: back? (as you called "lose value"), hehe.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 i confess, until the river, i had no interest in this "BB special" shitty
hand at all, hehe.
check preflop, of course.
check flop, of course.
bet turn, just to see if there's any little value with this crap, and he
only calls.
river, if it's not a 6, a lot of things could hit, check call small might be
my plan.
but when he mini-raises my almost pot bet back, i'm kind of lost and make a
quick dirty decision.
i reviewed this hand later, it's surely problematic, but on the other hand,
many hands he could have and beat me would have raised pre-flop or bet
something earlier already. AQ is close to one of those.
well, guy lost with his flopped nuts but gained a note in my notes, haha.
I
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Raise to ~ 17 and fold to shove. It's pretty thin, but still a full house(I
: know I am donk/fish, could not resist the extra thin value...LOL)
: Regs will not call you donk shove with str8 for sure, can only get value
: from fish. 66? may be, but 66 should be removed from the range because of
: the turn actions.
: KT/JT looks so possible.
: so, given your stack, you shove on river:
: 1. for Regs, 100% -EV.
: 2. for fish, still -EV as str8 is the only hand you get more value and we
: assume fish will call.
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 13 turn 的bet这么小,为啥66要被remove?
I
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Raise to ~ 17 and fold to shove. It's pretty thin, but still a full house(I
: know I am donk/fish, could not resist the extra thin value...LOL)
: Regs will not call you donk shove with str8 for sure, can only get value
: from fish. 66? may be, but 66 should be removed from the range because of
: the turn actions.
: KT/JT looks so possible.
: so, given your stack, you shove on river:
: 1. for Regs, 100% -EV.
: 2. for fish, still -EV as str8 is the only hand you get more value and we
: assume fish will call.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 66 1 combo... either way does not weigh much. I don't think turn is a call
for 66 though. Pretty silly on that board even if preflop is limped.
To fryking: If river is a blank, there is value to have .. bet/fold 1/2-2/3
pot... |
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