f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 limp preflop，一路跟到尾，river mini-raise... | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 all in. most of his range are pocket As, set of 4 or 2 pair... if it is a random bluff, the chance of him spazz all in vs your reraise is very small.. if he did reraise all in, it put you in a very tough spot to call.. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 i smelled sth. bad again and i was right... i only called and he turned over
KK.
random bluff, the chance of him spazz all in vs your reraise is very small.
. if he did reraise all in, it put you in a very tough spot to call..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: all in. most of his range are pocket As, set of 4 or 2 pair... if it is a random bluff, the chance of him spazz all in vs your reraise is very small.. if he did reraise all in, it put you in a very tough spot to call..
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 i think you missed value for many other hand when you play like this.
Are you going to call if he reraise all in? if no.. that is fine and great for you
If yes then what you should do always is :
If a hand is good enough to call all in then it is good enough to push all
in. If you don't do it, you will miss value more often than being taken to
value town.
Remember "people often have a wider range for calling all in than pushing
all in" which is a huge leak.. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 i guess this is a typical situation where both of us underestimate the other
's hand strength.
if he 3.5x preflop, this hand may be a total different story and he'll get
my stack for sure.
his river raise apparently puts me on a callable hand but not monster.
we both "guess" the other would not call a shove with a hand not having the
other beat, so re-shoving here is questionable.
great for you
to
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i think you missed value for many other hand when you play like this.
: Are you going to call if he reraise all in? if no.. that is fine and great for you
: If yes then what you should do always is :
: If a hand is good enough to call all in then it is good enough to push all
: in. If you don't do it, you will miss value more often than being taken to
: value town.
: Remember "people often have a wider range for calling all in than pushing
: all in" which is a huge leak..
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 will you call an raise allin?
other
the
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i guess this is a typical situation where both of us underestimate the other
: 's hand strength.
: if he 3.5x preflop, this hand may be a total different story and he'll get
: my stack for sure.
: his river raise apparently puts me on a callable hand but not monster.
: we both "guess" the other would not call a shove with a hand not having the
: other beat, so re-shoving here is questionable.
:
: great for you
: to
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 well, i have no history with this guy, so it'll be really a tough decision
with 6th nuts for this sudden big move. my weak position and weak bets till
river save my ass.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: will you call an raise allin?
:
: other
: the
| c*****a
发帖数: 447 | 8 I have a question about the turn bet. were you trying to induced a bluff
there? | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 9 I will not all in and will not call all in on the river and it is too late.
Howeever I 100% agree with Windsormmm that both of two players miss a LOT of
values in this hand. Fryking just gets lucky here, but long term, playing
like this will miss lot lot values...
flat with KK before flop--ok, but not good.
flat call small bet on turn and min raise on river--horrible
Fryking's flop bet and turn bet is way small to extrat values. remember MOST
of micro stake players including us are passive but l
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: well, i have no history with this guy, so it'll be really a tough decision
: with 6th nuts for this sudden big move. my weak position and weak bets till
: river save my ass.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 kind of, and i don't want him to fold any non Kx or 66 alike hands either by
a bigger bet.
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】
: I have a question about the turn bet. were you trying to induced a bluff
: there?
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 i don't disagree, lol.
but the core part of this hand is both of us underestimate bacause of our
positions:
1) he limps CO with KK for a reason, any bet 3.5x+ will "waste" his hand
most of time against SB/BB, unless my or BB's stats show a strong tendency
of defending blinds, which i doubt;
2) we both hit a dream flop on a super "safe" flop, so i guess my flop bet
is ok, and some ppl may even check/check raise here;
3) turn, questionable, i'm clueless what this guy may have. in common sense,
for
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: I will not all in and will not call all in on the river and it is too late.
: Howeever I 100% agree with Windsormmm that both of two players miss a LOT of
: values in this hand. Fryking just gets lucky here, but long term, playing
: like this will miss lot lot values...
: flat with KK before flop--ok, but not good.
: flat call small bet on turn and min raise on river--horrible
: Fryking's flop bet and turn bet is way small to extrat values. remember MOST
: of micro stake players including us are passive but l
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 What I would do for this hand is exactly the following:
POT POT ALL IN. CURSE at the "fucking micro donkey" then put a note on him "
idiot limps KK LP, owe me a stack" | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 Both of you are weak tight
sense,
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i don't disagree, lol.
: but the core part of this hand is both of us underestimate bacause of our
: positions:
: 1) he limps CO with KK for a reason, any bet 3.5x+ will "waste" his hand
: most of time against SB/BB, unless my or BB's stats show a strong tendency
: of defending blinds, which i doubt;
: 2) we both hit a dream flop on a super "safe" flop, so i guess my flop bet
: is ok, and some ppl may even check/check raise here;
: 3) turn, questionable, i'm clueless what this guy may have. in common sense,
: for
| c*****a
发帖数: 447 | 14 the guy limped in then called a 2/3 pot on the flp. so we can safely assume
he connected witht the flop somehow with a wide range.
on the turn, the board is dangerous with two possible straight draws and a
flush draw. I always play better safe than sorry. A large bet here that
price out all the draws can also narrow down the guy's range a bit. it
also build up the pot for an easier all in on the river.
by
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: kind of, and i don't want him to fold any non Kx or 66 alike hands either by
: a bigger bet.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 i am for sure, but feel his play is fine, he'd get enough values most of
time in this CO vs. SB/BB situations.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Both of you are weak tight
:
: sense,
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 That AA hand was poorly played. Raise that flop any day any time and get it
in UNLESS he has a note on you as passive player.
To call a hand instead of raising on a dangrous board because he only has
second nuts is en... weak...
On the other hand, i think you should check raise that flop instead of donk.
and hope to get it in on turn. because a dangrous card will stop all action
of you extracting values. And it happened precisely. If you have played
like that, you would have getting his whole
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i don't disagree, lol.
: but the core part of this hand is both of us underestimate bacause of our
: positions:
: 1) he limps CO with KK for a reason, any bet 3.5x+ will "waste" his hand
: most of time against SB/BB, unless my or BB's stats show a strong tendency
: of defending blinds, which i doubt;
: 2) we both hit a dream flop on a super "safe" flop, so i guess my flop bet
: is ok, and some ppl may even check/check raise here;
: 3) turn, questionable, i'm clueless what this guy may have. in common sense,
: for
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 i guess he's not passive, he's taking calculated risks. if he worries about
possible draws too much with top set and in position, that's passive.
on flop, why he wants to push me out? yes, it looks like draw heavy, but
against a BB with top set (and with only a "weakish" 3x preflop). in most
cases, i either have an ok Ax or Ax with gutshot or some trash mid pair to
test water. if i bet for flush draw, size is a little too big, and he got
position over me with re-drawing power to win a big pot.
o
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: That AA hand was poorly played. Raise that flop any day any time and get it
: in UNLESS he has a note on you as passive player.
: To call a hand instead of raising on a dangrous board because he only has
: second nuts is en... weak...
: On the other hand, i think you should check raise that flop instead of donk.
: and hope to get it in on turn. because a dangrous card will stop all action
: of you extracting values. And it happened precisely. If you have played
: like that, you would have getting his whole
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 he is not pushing you out.. he is charging for draw hand, raising for value.
.. so much value to have.. other hand A10 10s AK K10, even Ks apparently,
hands that he could not get avlue anymore once a Q or a spade comes out....
It is so easy for him to say to himself after the hand "oh god, i played
this hand perfectly because i saved myself a stack, i knew he had me beat at
flop" but in fact he just went one step deeper in the weak tight category.
If you have a hand that can take a whole stack
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i guess he's not passive, he's taking calculated risks. if he worries about
: possible draws too much with top set and in position, that's passive.
: on flop, why he wants to push me out? yes, it looks like draw heavy, but
: against a BB with top set (and with only a "weakish" 3x preflop). in most
: cases, i either have an ok Ax or Ax with gutshot or some trash mid pair to
: test water. if i bet for flush draw, size is a little too big, and he got
: position over me with re-drawing power to win a big pot.
: o
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 on the flop, his hand is way ahead 95% of time, way behind 5% as in this
case, a callable raise is fine but if he wants to get my whole stack, this
might fail most of time for out-of-position me.
his river action is questionable as i said.
value.
at
.
people folding before you put in a raise or a big over bet. Build up the
pot and make the plan how to get the whole stack before the hand is over.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: he is not pushing you out.. he is charging for draw hand, raising for value.
: .. so much value to have.. other hand A10 10s AK K10, even Ks apparently,
: hands that he could not get avlue anymore once a Q or a spade comes out....
: It is so easy for him to say to himself after the hand "oh god, i played
: this hand perfectly because i saved myself a stack, i knew he had me beat at
: flop" but in fact he just went one step deeper in the weak tight category.
: If you have a hand that can take a whole stack
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 what would you do at river? raise bluff or fold?
such a small bet, folding is not an option.. the question is whether to call
or to raise bluff... are you suggesting to raise?
The flop action is the real reason why this hand played as it is. River is
already irrelavent. if there is no spark between two guy with top set and
flopped straight, i would not expect any more drama on a flush board after
turn.
Btw, what would you do if you have 10s or AK if he raise you flop?
what would you do on turn
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: on the flop, his hand is way ahead 95% of time, way behind 5% as in this
: case, a callable raise is fine but if he wants to get my whole stack, this
: might fail most of time for out-of-position me.
: his river action is questionable as i said.
:
: value.
: at
: .
: people folding before you put in a raise or a big over bet. Build up the
: pot and make the plan how to get the whole stack before the hand is over.
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