D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 1 1. Solid game of Poker
2. Tighter Range
3. Showing Down is OK
4. Take Notes
5. If SB raises, it is more dangerous than BB Raises. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 hehe, from FTP academy, andy bloch's article.
well, i could be wrong but i don't think i've ever seen him playing rush
himself.
1 and 2 are typical assumptions, but i think rush poker is evolving too, ppl
are adjusting tightness to be normal or only slightly tighter.
3 and 4 are common sense.
i doubt about 5, a lot of players are auto popping from SB these days.
normally i'll let it go for the first 1 or 2 times, but leave a mark on him.
yesterday the same guy did it again to 3x, i guess it's ti
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: 1. Solid game of Poker
: 2. Tighter Range
: 3. Showing Down is OK
: 4. Take Notes
: 5. If SB raises, it is more dangerous than BB Raises.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 preflop action screams weakness from both of you.
he should 4 bet to at least 15-18X if he wants to 4 bet at all. then he level himself into 3 bet shoving flop thinking he will get a fold...
our majority of profit obviously come from this type of people | D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 4 If he mini-pushed back to 11x, I may already have folded there. Maybe I
should learn such from your play. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 if you fold to miniraise 11X from 7X, why do you 3 bet at all? flat preflop
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: If he mini-pushed back to 11x, I may already have folded there. Maybe I
: should learn such from your play.
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 6 I agree.
Re-popped to 7x sounds small to me. I would go 9-11X so in this case, he
probably will fold here. fryking flop 2 pare is lucky, but actually failed
to push this guy away from A9o pre-flop.
mini-pushed back to 11x from 7x does not make sense at all, either fold or
push big at least 20X so fryking will fold.
level himself into 3 bet shoving flop thinking he will get a fold...
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: preflop action screams weakness from both of you.
: he should 4 bet to at least 15-18X if he wants to 4 bet at all. then he level himself into 3 bet shoving flop thinking he will get a fold...
: our majority of profit obviously come from this type of people
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 i didn't really want him to fold pre-flop, i'd love to "torture" him with my
position post flop.
his mini-raise gave me great odds to torture him even more, 1:4.5, i could
call with even 37s here.
if i missed the flop totally, it's just a small experiment to me, but i'd go
with him on Kxx for sure, he didn't realize i had enough notes on his
positional moves (in this case, SB bully tendency).
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: I agree.
: Re-popped to 7x sounds small to me. I would go 9-11X so in this case, he
: probably will fold here. fryking flop 2 pare is lucky, but actually failed
: to push this guy away from A9o pre-flop.
: mini-pushed back to 11x from 7x does not make sense at all, either fold or
: push big at least 20X so fryking will fold.
:
: level himself into 3 bet shoving flop thinking he will get a fold...
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 sometimes the only difference between aggression and spewing the pot is
whether you hit the flop.
I wouldn't show weakness vs an aggressive player while holding a marginal
hand. That's what you are doing preflop. your miniraise is looking for action from an agrodonk. Imaging the time when you don't
hit your dream flop, it would be hard to continue without spewing your whole
stack. if you are planning to go all in after flop with K high, it is not profitable. if you want to 3 bet and 4 bet stea | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 lol, you misread, i said i'd go with him on Kxx (with my K5 holding, not K
high) because this hand will beat 80%+ of his range.
action from an agrodonk. Imaging the time when you don't
whole
profitable. if you want to 3 bet and 4 bet steal, make it look like pocket
As don't make it look like the type trash hand you have.
take donk's whole stack easily.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: sometimes the only difference between aggression and spewing the pot is
: whether you hit the flop.
: I wouldn't show weakness vs an aggressive player while holding a marginal
: hand. That's what you are doing preflop. your miniraise is looking for action from an agrodonk. Imaging the time when you don't
: hit your dream flop, it would be hard to continue without spewing your whole
: stack. if you are planning to go all in after flop with K high, it is not profitable. if you want to 3 bet and 4 bet stea
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 What I try to say is if you 3 bet vs a steal, you should raise bigger to end
the hand right there. If you want to use position, then don't blow up the
pot preflop without planning to go all the way (your chance of hitting K is
not often enough to make this profitable). The deeper the stack is, the more
position advantage there is. To blow up the pot preflop with a marginal
hand is negating your advantage.
It is much better to flat preflop and call off your stack when you do hit K.
If not you can
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: lol, you misread, i said i'd go with him on Kxx (with my K5 holding, not K
: high) because this hand will beat 80%+ of his range.
:
: action from an agrodonk. Imaging the time when you don't
: whole
: profitable. if you want to 3 bet and 4 bet steal, make it look like pocket
: As don't make it look like the type trash hand you have.
: take donk's whole stack easily.
| | | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 11 For Kxx flop, TP is monster here given his stats. However, most of the time
both of you won't flop anything. But in that case, I bet you will have very
hard time to continue.
pocket
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: lol, you misread, i said i'd go with him on Kxx (with my K5 holding, not K
: high) because this hand will beat 80%+ of his range.
:
: action from an agrodonk. Imaging the time when you don't
: whole
: profitable. if you want to 3 bet and 4 bet steal, make it look like pocket
: As don't make it look like the type trash hand you have.
: take donk's whole stack easily.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 well, my hand was stronger than a Kx hand, lol, and i was playing more of a
mind game with him, a known routine SB bully.
flatting is an option, but building a pot (with small bait) is not bad
either, his range was so wide, even he 5-bet, didn't really mean he's ahead.
by raising him pre-flop, i could intimidate him and increase his aggression
tendency post-flop. these bully guys could go two extremes, either giving
you more respect (if you play softly) or none.
if i flat him pre, i doubt he'd g
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: What I try to say is if you 3 bet vs a steal, you should raise bigger to end
: the hand right there. If you want to use position, then don't blow up the
: pot preflop without planning to go all the way (your chance of hitting K is
: not often enough to make this profitable). The deeper the stack is, the more
: position advantage there is. To blow up the pot preflop with a marginal
: hand is negating your advantage.
: It is much better to flat preflop and call off your stack when you do hit K.
: If not you can
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 to me, it's only 8BB difference, flat or raise/call, of course, he made a
mistake by raising too little. even if i flop nothing, showing him some
resistance is fine, if he takes notes, good, if he doesn't, even better, i
face him everyday, lol.
without this little foreplay pre-flop, i highly doubt this hand would have
the same result.
my stats is nit type or a little looser/weaker, i need to use it sometimes
the other way too.
2 other hands yesterday:
1) JJ at BB, UTG (unknown player, maybe fema
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: For Kxx flop, TP is monster here given his stats. However, most of the time
: both of you won't flop anything. But in that case, I bet you will have very
: hard time to continue.
:
: pocket
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 it seems counter intuitive to induce his aggression when you are holding
weak hand yourself. K5s is not ahead even against a wide range. (and it is
a fact that you are behind in this hand). It is more logical to do this when
you have a strong holding. I really think preflop play is not very good.
The play after flop is not important anymore because with you as short stack
(you have 30X bb?), both of you are committed already. It just happened
that you hit the flop harder than him.
you pretty mu | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 lol, i full buy-in these days, and this hand i had about 120BB (he got about
130BB, or a little left afterwards).
it frees me to make moves like this here and there without committing too
early.
nah, against him, Kc5c is pretty good with position, even i knew he got A9o,
it's about 2:3, more than enough to play with great odds.
aggressive guys are aggressive for sure, but they're not stupid either. if i
only raise him with good hands, i lose value right away. if i flat/trap
them, there's no guar
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: it seems counter intuitive to induce his aggression when you are holding
: weak hand yourself. K5s is not ahead even against a wide range. (and it is
: a fact that you are behind in this hand). It is more logical to do this when
: you have a strong holding. I really think preflop play is not very good.
: The play after flop is not important anymore because with you as short stack
: (you have 30X bb?), both of you are committed already. It just happened
: that you hit the flop harder than him.
: you pretty mu
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 No-way to fold there.
Full Tilt Poker Game #22117226426: Table Thread (heads up) - $0.50/$1 - No
Limit Hold'em - 4:05:56 ET - 2010/07/06
Seat 1: whereisdonny ($235.45)
Seat 2: pokeryjj ($281.20)
whereisdonny posts the small blind of $0.50
pokeryjj posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pokeryjj [9d 8c]
whereisdonny raises to $3
pokeryjj raises to $10
whereisdonny has 15 seconds left to act
whereisdonny raises to $19
pokeryjj calls $9
*** FLOP *** [7c 9h 8s
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: If he mini-pushed back to 11x, I may already have folded there. Maybe I
: should learn such from your play.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 again, a preflop mistake is
much smaller than post flop ones. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 flop 为十么不lead? it is much harder to balance a check raise range than a
donk bet range. I would lead here often so as all draws with a standard 2/3 pot bet. Make the pot big early so you don't have to over bet river to get paid off.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: No-way to fold there.
: Full Tilt Poker Game #22117226426: Table Thread (heads up) - $0.50/$1 - No
: Limit Hold'em - 4:05:56 ET - 2010/07/06
: Seat 1: whereisdonny ($235.45)
: Seat 2: pokeryjj ($281.20)
: whereisdonny posts the small blind of $0.50
: pokeryjj posts the big blind of $1
: The button is in seat #1
: *** HOLE CARDS ***
: Dealt to pokeryjj [9d 8c]
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 this guy obviously was applying the same strategy on you. 4 bet mini to push
you out of comfort zone.. ^_^ if you think about it, he would have played
this hand perfectly in most cases where you don't hit your flop, because
there is simply no big hand in your range except that unreadable trash 2
pair on that flop with your preflop action.
about
A9o,
i
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: lol, i full buy-in these days, and this hand i had about 120BB (he got about
: 130BB, or a little left afterwards).
: it frees me to make moves like this here and there without committing too
: early.
: nah, against him, Kc5c is pretty good with position, even i knew he got A9o,
: it's about 2:3, more than enough to play with great odds.
: aggressive guys are aggressive for sure, but they're not stupid either. if i
: only raise him with good hands, i lose value right away. if i flat/trap
: them, there's no guar
| | | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 21 I did not play that hand well. I definitely should donk bet 2/3 pot on the
flop.
My hand is 100% ahead on the flop, a lot of turn card can reduce my hand
value.
On the other hand, he is the 4better preflop, maybe I can c/r him, but not a
good line in this spot.
a
/3 pot bet. Make the pot big early so you don't have to over bet river to
get paid off.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: flop 为十么不lead? it is much harder to balance a check raise range than a
: donk bet range. I would lead here often so as all draws with a standard 2/3 pot bet. Make the pot big early so you don't have to over bet river to get paid off.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 22 I am out of position, 4 bet pot with crappy starting hand, should not be
easy to play that hand. Lucky enough, his holding is even more marginal, if he holds good starting hand, then I will fold majority of time on the flop.
push
played
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: this guy obviously was applying the same strategy on you. 4 bet mini to push
: you out of comfort zone.. ^_^ if you think about it, he would have played
: this hand perfectly in most cases where you don't hit your flop, because
: there is simply no big hand in your range except that unreadable trash 2
: pair on that flop with your preflop action.
:
: about
: A9o,
: i
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 one comment for you pokeryjj, the other comment is for fryking. hehe i think
you mixed it up for one of them... |
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