c***g
发帖数: 36 | 1 我先raise 3BB UTG,后面有人（非盲注） re-raise 到 12BB， 其他人fold.
对手风格不详
这种情况要不要call? 例如我手里有 AJ， 或 99，或 J7 这些情况
最近遇到这种情况很多次，大多数都fold了，少数call了，但miss flop后就不敢再跟
了。总之这样丢了很多钱
大家来讲讲经验吧 |
r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 2 基本上如果你有80bb以上可以用口袋对子跟9bb
其他的牌还是扔吧。
【在 c***g 的大作中提到】
: 我先raise 3BB UTG,后面有人（非盲注） re-raise 到 12BB， 其他人fold.
: 对手风格不详
: 这种情况要不要call? 例如我手里有 AJ， 或 99，或 J7 这些情况
: 最近遇到这种情况很多次，大多数都fold了，少数call了，但miss flop后就不敢再跟
: 了。总之这样丢了很多钱
: 大家来讲讲经验吧
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D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 3 re-raise with JJ QQ KK AA |
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 unless you know your opponents well, or you figure they're making a play on
you, these 3 hands you mentioned are not playable from EP facing such a big
raise, let alone UTG. this is especially true in cash games. tournaments are
kind of different due to always raising blinds.
before you attempt to call, ask yourself this simple question: if you were
him, what kind of hands you'd re-raise here vs. UTG? for example, AJ (UTG),
would you raise this much with a lesser hand like AT or 88? most likely
【在 c***g 的大作中提到】
: 我先raise 3BB UTG,后面有人（非盲注） re-raise 到 12BB， 其他人fold.
: 对手风格不详
: 这种情况要不要call? 例如我手里有 AJ， 或 99，或 J7 这些情况
: 最近遇到这种情况很多次，大多数都fold了，少数call了，但miss flop后就不敢再跟
: 了。总之这样丢了很多钱
: 大家来讲讲经验吧
|
c***g
发帖数: 36 | 5 谢谢， really learned a lot
【在 c***g 的大作中提到】
: 我先raise 3BB UTG,后面有人（非盲注） re-raise 到 12BB， 其他人fold.
: 对手风格不详
: 这种情况要不要call? 例如我手里有 AJ， 或 99，或 J7 这些情况
: 最近遇到这种情况很多次，大多数都fold了，少数call了，但miss flop后就不敢再跟
: 了。总之这样丢了很多钱
: 大家来讲讲经验吧
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 为设么要4 bet with JJ or QQ or AK? is it for bluff or for value?
If for value what hand are you getting value from?
If for bluff what hand are you going to get them off with?
Are you going to fold to 5 bet shove if you have JJ QQ AK? If so why are you 4 betting with them? If not, what do you think is their 5 bet shove range?
I think we should consider these questions before we 4 bet with hand that is not KK AA.
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: re-raise with JJ QQ KK AA
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 AJ J7 should be open fold from utg. Pocket 9s is marginal, but you can raise
3bb for the purpose of sweetening the pot for set farming purpose. If you
can't play out of position with a middle pair effectively after flop, then
it might not be profitable to you playing pocket 9s at utg.
AJ J7 should fold to 3 bet most of the time from all position unless you
want to 4 bet bluff against someone who 3 bet stealing routinely. Calling 3
bet and planning to fold after flop if miss flop is not profita
【在 c***g 的大作中提到】
: 我先raise 3BB UTG,后面有人（非盲注） re-raise 到 12BB， 其他人fold.
: 对手风格不详
: 这种情况要不要call? 例如我手里有 AJ， 或 99，或 J7 这些情况
: 最近遇到这种情况很多次，大多数都fold了，少数call了，但miss flop后就不敢再跟
: 了。总之这样丢了很多钱
: 大家来讲讲经验吧
|
a*****h
发帖数: 2182 | 8 sometimes I do 4bet with AKs, or AKo for certain players, not for value, for
1)consider the dead money in the pot with 3bet, we are coin flip with QQ, JJ
, which falls under opponent's 3bet range, around 1:3 underdog against KK an
d huge underdog against AA
2)fold equity for QQ and AK
you 4 betting with them? If not, what do you think is their 5 bet shove
range?
is not KK AA.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 为设么要4 bet with JJ or QQ or AK? is it for bluff or for value?
: If for value what hand are you getting value from?
: If for bluff what hand are you going to get them off with?
: Are you going to fold to 5 bet shove if you have JJ QQ AK? If so why are you 4 betting with them? If not, what do you think is their 5 bet shove range?
: I think we should consider these questions before we 4 bet with hand that is not KK AA.
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 4 bet bluff for the win. Don't try this without a read. when you 4 bet with Js it is really no difference from 4 bet with 6s, because you are turning your hand into a bluff.
you 4 betting with them? If not, what do you think is their 5 bet shove
range?
is not KK AA.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 为设么要4 bet with JJ or QQ or AK? is it for bluff or for value?
: If for value what hand are you getting value from?
: If for bluff what hand are you going to get them off with?
: Are you going to fold to 5 bet shove if you have JJ QQ AK? If so why are you 4 betting with them? If not, what do you think is their 5 bet shove range?
: I think we should consider these questions before we 4 bet with hand that is not KK AA.
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 kao, this guy is a regular and not bad (tighter than avg.), you're brave,
lol.
with Js it is really no difference from 4 bet with 6s, because you are
turning your hand into a bluff.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 4 bet bluff for the win. Don't try this without a read. when you 4 bet with Js it is really no difference from 4 bet with 6s, because you are turning your hand into a bluff.
:
: you 4 betting with them? If not, what do you think is their 5 bet shove
: range?
: is not KK AA.
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 I am not afraid of any NL50 regulars.. lol. he definitely 3 bets light based on my read. Even if he has got something, he has to think about what I represent. If he has got KK+, he needs to prove it to me. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 it depends on how your opponents react to 4 bet. If they always 5 bet shove with
KK+ and fold everything else while his 3 bet range is AQ+ JJ+ bluffs. then
you are better off flatting preflop with your AK QQ especially when you are
in position, where you can be much more profitable.
for
JJ
an
【在 a*****h 的大作中提到】
: sometimes I do 4bet with AKs, or AKo for certain players, not for value, for
: 1)consider the dead money in the pot with 3bet, we are coin flip with QQ, JJ
: , which falls under opponent's 3bet range, around 1:3 underdog against KK an
: d huge underdog against AA
: 2)fold equity for QQ and AK
:
: you 4 betting with them? If not, what do you think is their 5 bet shove
: range?
: is not KK AA.
|
t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 13 J7是绝对要扔的，AJ可能可以混进来偶尔打一打，尤其是拿到AJs的时候吧。当然如果
被3bet到9bb还
是该扔的。
raise
you
then
Calling 3
marginal at best. The stack
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: AJ J7 should be open fold from utg. Pocket 9s is marginal, but you can raise
: 3bb for the purpose of sweetening the pot for set farming purpose. If you
: can't play out of position with a middle pair effectively after flop, then
: it might not be profitable to you playing pocket 9s at utg.
: AJ J7 should fold to 3 bet most of the time from all position unless you
: want to 4 bet bluff against someone who 3 bet stealing routinely. Calling 3
: bet and planning to fold after flop if miss flop is not profita
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