f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 1/2NL game, 10 handed.
you got $100 and AA at UTG. everyone got $100+ or covers you.
you decide to push all-in, how many callers do you want?
(assuming everyone got 2 random cards) | I****r
发帖数: 795 | 2 问题是不是你想要多少人跟就有多少人跟。 牌太差了人不会跟吧？
bankroll 管好，AA all in 绝对没错。 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 just in general, from your own expectation, how many do you want?
assuming they all have any 2 random cards and all may call.
【在 I****r 的大作中提到】
: 问题是不是你想要多少人跟就有多少人跟。 牌太差了人不会跟吧？
: bankroll 管好，AA all in 绝对没错。
| I****r
发帖数: 795 | 4 刚才用我的odds calculator 算了一下， random，5个人跟最好。 期望利益最大化：
165%的profit | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 5 2 at most?
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 1/2NL game, 10 handed.
: you got $100 and AA at UTG. everyone got $100+ or covers you.
: you decide to push all-in, how many callers do you want?
: (assuming everyone got 2 random cards)
| p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 6 I think so too. if there are more than three, the risk is kinda high. only
those with very good hand will go all in, so when the calculator says five
if random, I guess you need to cut that number in half at least.
OK, actually I am totally new to poker and don't have much experience,
please keep that in mind when reading my opinions. 俺只是想当然的。呵呵
If I got AA before seeing the flop (btw, what is the name for the two cards
in your hand?), I will go all in because it will help reduce greatly your
ch
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 2 at most?
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 7 for AA, random hand is kind of dangerous. The best hand for AA is pocket
pair I think, such as KK/QQ whose straight outs are reduced too. If the
opponents all hold the same pair, that's even better.
Hands like 98, 65 are more dangerous to AA.
cards
of
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: I think so too. if there are more than three, the risk is kinda high. only
: those with very good hand will go all in, so when the calculator says five
: if random, I guess you need to cut that number in half at least.
: OK, actually I am totally new to poker and don't have much experience,
: please keep that in mind when reading my opinions. 俺只是想当然的。呵呵
: If I got AA before seeing the flop (btw, what is the name for the two cards
: in your hand?), I will go all in because it will help reduce greatly your
: ch
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 8 wait... AA vs 99 or 98 is similar. one has two pair outs another has set
possibility. in a multi-way situation, i don't know pairs or connectors harm
AA more. maybe pairs because they don't affect each other's outs that much.
theoretically i think AA is favorable to even more opponents, such as 3 or 4
.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: for AA, random hand is kind of dangerous. The best hand for AA is pocket
: pair I think, such as KK/QQ whose straight outs are reduced too. If the
: opponents all hold the same pair, that's even better.
: Hands like 98, 65 are more dangerous to AA.
:
: cards
: of
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 haha, you mentioned one important factor in this question, bankroll 管好.
this question comes from the beginning of the book (10 quiz questions):
poker winners are different.
if the assumption holds true:
1) all 9 players got random cards;
2) they all got $100+ stack;
3) they may call you.
then the answer is 9, yes, everyone.
against one player with 2 random cards, AA is 85;15 favorite, so in 100
times, you win $8500, lose $1500, profit for $7000.
...
against 9 players, AA is 30:70, in 100 times,
【在 I****r 的大作中提到】
: 问题是不是你想要多少人跟就有多少人跟。 牌太差了人不会跟吧？
: bankroll 管好，AA all in 绝对没错。
| I****r
发帖数: 795 | 10 9个人玩，（8 个人跟） 是 0.85^8 = 0.27 , profit 0.27x900-100=$145
5 个人跟 是 0.85^5 = 0.44 , profit 0.44x600-100=$166，
你计算的时候用 0.3 代替 0.27, 10% 的误差太大了。
其实都一样， 都all in了，还在乎有几个人跟。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: haha, you mentioned one important factor in this question, bankroll 管好.
: this question comes from the beginning of the book (10 quiz questions):
: poker winners are different.
: if the assumption holds true:
: 1) all 9 players got random cards;
: 2) they all got $100+ stack;
: 3) they may call you.
: then the answer is 9, yes, everyone.
: against one player with 2 random cards, AA is 85;15 favorite, so in 100
: times, you win $8500, lose $1500, profit for $7000.
| | | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 11 as many as possible
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 1/2NL game, 10 handed.
: you got $100 and AA at UTG. everyone got $100+ or covers you.
: you decide to push all-in, how many callers do you want?
: (assuming everyone got 2 random cards)
| p********a
发帖数: 6437 | 12 yeah, this looks more right to me.
ultimately, AA is best starting hand, why not have all callers?
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: as many as possible
| c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 13 用poker stove计算的结果：
10-298
9-302.4
8-303.2
7-301.7
6-294
5-279
4-255.6
3-221
2-170.78 | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 14 I think that's wrong, otherwise no one should raise a big hand preflop. The
question is you want to go into flop with 30% winning rate or 50% or even
higher. Remember you lose money whenever ONE of others wins, so you actually
fight against ALL of them.
As a theoretical question, you can answer as many as possible. The
assumption is everyone MUST go allin EVERY time you have AA, and everyone
MUST rebuy to initial buyin amount whenever lower than it. Since this is
never going to happen, no one re
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: yeah, this looks more right to me.
: ultimately, AA is best starting hand, why not have all callers?
| I****r
发帖数: 795 | | l***q
发帖数: 62 | 16 fryking，根据你的假设，你期望的最佳call人数应该是7人。AA对n手random牌的All-
In EV应该是虽n增大逐渐增大，但到了7以后略有减小的一条曲线。
7和8之间有微小差异，但是8比7略小。9比8又小一点。如果7个人call，AA的EV最大。 | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 This is very simple.
100% chance winning vs 1 player is equivlant to 66% chance of winning agaist
2 players. the same EV value in the long run.
If you need 50% chance of winning the pot against 1 player to break even,
then to against 2 player, you only need 33% to break even.
the more player in the pot, the lower winning odds you need to reach the
same EV in the long run.
This does not necessary mean that the more player in the pot must yield the
best EV. It depends on what odds AA has vs 1 2 un | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 18 Plaing pocket AA is so easy.
If it is 1/2 NL game, I raise $50 to kill the action. If in case sb called,
I fold.
I hate AA |
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