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t*********d
发帖数: 3398

老大好， , pokerjj好， kkrun好。

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

想你啊啊！最近咋样？发个包子给你吃，呵呵。

【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】

: 老大好， , pokerjj好， kkrun好。

t*********d
发帖数: 3398

多谢惦记，感激涕零啊。
最近一言难尽，痛并快乐着。

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】

: 想你啊啊！最近咋样？发个包子给你吃，呵呵。

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

写点写点，快乐要分享，痛苦么，翠花，给这位大哥来碗鳄鱼眼泪。

【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】

: 多谢惦记，感激涕零啊。
: 最近一言难尽，痛并快乐着。

t*********d
发帖数: 3398

现在决定专攻cash game了。
昨天晚上实验bluff 打法，带了88刀刀2/4 NL, 1/3时间bluff, 每次bluff完亮牌，打得一堆人对我恨之入骨，最后赢到600多。
中间有连续两把, 第一把我small blinds, one guy UTG+1 bet $12, nobody called,I raise to $40, bb folded, that guy folded. I showed Q4.
Then I got Q4 again at bb, the guy UTG bet $4, no body call, I raised to $20, he called. Flop Axx, I did not look at flop at all, he bet $16, I called; turn he bet another $16, I raised to $50. He folded. I showed Q4.
然后那两人就默默无言的走了。
**************************************************
开始

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】

: 写点写点，快乐要分享，痛苦么，翠花，给这位大哥来碗鳄鱼眼泪。

y********n
发帖数: 2063

nice run.
1.5 hour, 8* buyin.
5/10 is hard to bluff, it sounds reasonable. Because those guys are more
experienced, have more reasonable calling range or re-raising range.
Will see you have more run on cash games.

打得一堆人对我恨之入骨，最后赢到600多。
,I raise to $40, bb folded, that guy folded. I showed Q4.
20, he called. Flop Axx, I did not look at flop at all, he bet $16, I called
; turn he bet another $16, I raised to $50. He folded. I showed Q4.

【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】

: 现在决定专攻cash game了。
: 昨天晚上实验bluff 打法，带了88刀刀2/4 NL, 1/3时间bluff, 每次bluff完亮牌，打得一堆人对我恨之入骨，最后赢到600多。
: 中间有连续两把, 第一把我small blinds, one guy UTG+1 bet $12, nobody called,I raise to $40, bb folded, that guy folded. I showed Q4.
: Then I got Q4 again at bb, the guy UTG bet $4, no body call, I raised to $20, he called. Flop Axx, I did not look at flop at all, he bet $16, I called; turn he bet another $16, I raised to $50. He folded. I showed Q4.
: 然后那两人就默默无言的走了。
: **************************************************
: 开始

t*********d
发帖数: 3398

要下功夫的地方还很多，闲着的时候再向你学习tourney。

called

【在 y********n 的大作中提到】

: nice run.
: 1.5 hour, 8* buyin.
: 5/10 is hard to bluff, it sounds reasonable. Because those guys are more
: experienced, have more reasonable calling range or re-raising range.
: Will see you have more run on cash games.
:
: 打得一堆人对我恨之入骨，最后赢到600多。
: ,I raise to $40, bb folded, that guy folded. I showed Q4.
: 20, he called. Flop Axx, I did not look at flop at all, he bet $16, I called
: ; turn he bet another $16, I raised to $50. He folded. I showed Q4.

t******b
发帖数: 56

I wish you good luck. However, I want to point out that short stacking 2/4
is not profittable. The best shortstackers in online cash game are averaging
1-2 ptbb/100 hands. By best I mean they are selectively aggressive, they
3bet optimal frequencies and open wide ranges in position. They play better
post flop than most regulars in 20bb. The bad news for the short stacker is
that the stack size puts a pretty low ceiling on their potential winrate.
The theoretical winrate decreases as stack size g

【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

hehe, well done.

打得一堆人对我恨之入骨，最后赢到600多。
,I raise to $40, bb folded, that guy folded. I showed Q4.
20, he called. Flop Axx, I did not look at flop at all, he bet $16, I called
; turn he bet another $16, I raised to $50. He folded. I showed Q4.

【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

recently a lot of guys from china on fulltilt are playing this mini-buyin
strategy, 20BB for 0.25/0.5 games, multi tables... double up or 50%+, then
change table. their opening/calling/shoving ranges are very straight forward
, TT+/AK/AQ/AJs (8 hands in total), no other hands, haha.
very easy to play against, either fold or win all. their best customers are
those donks who don't observe well and see their tendencies.
they shove a lot pre, yeah, win most of time, but only for SB/BB/1 or 2
limpers

【在 t******b 的大作中提到】

: I wish you good luck. However, I want to point out that short stacking 2/4
: is not profittable. The best shortstackers in online cash game are averaging
: 1-2 ptbb/100 hands. By best I mean they are selectively aggressive, they
: 3bet optimal frequencies and open wide ranges in position. They play better
: post flop than most regulars in 20bb. The bad news for the short stacker is
: that the stack size puts a pretty low ceiling on their potential winrate.
: The theoretical winrate decreases as stack size g

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R****D
发帖数: 1152

forward
are
low.
似乎很多是hua zhou的？杭州？

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】

: recently a lot of guys from china on fulltilt are playing this mini-buyin
: strategy, 20BB for 0.25/0.5 games, multi tables... double up or 50%+, then
: change table. their opening/calling/shoving ranges are very straight forward
: , TT+/AK/AQ/AJs (8 hands in total), no other hands, haha.
: very easy to play against, either fold or win all. their best customers are
: those donks who don't observe well and see their tendencies.
: they shove a lot pre, yeah, win most of time, but only for SB/BB/1 or 2
: limpers

R****D
发帖数: 1152

forward
are
low.
他们一般all in赢了就走输了继续10块钱rebuy。。。
烦得很，有时候他们all in了后面还跟着个deep stack的让你不好抉择啊。。。

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

don't know on fulltilt because they only show country.
but on ps and cake, they show cities.

【在 R****D 的大作中提到】

:
: forward
: are
: low.
: 他们一般all in赢了就走输了继续10块钱rebuy。。。
: 烦得很，有时候他们all in了后面还跟着个deep stack的让你不好抉择啊。。。

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

yeah, so i don't bother to fight with them since their range is pretty
straight forward. or sometimes when i got hands like AA, KK, i'll limp IF i
can sense they're in shoving mode from LP.
they play like a robot.
actually i use a similar strategy too, mutli tables, 30BB buy-in (slightly
more than their 20BB mini). i figure this buy-in fits my pattern well, haha.
with 10BB more, i could:
1) play more hands (bet/call 3x, 4x easier without commitment) preflop with
position;
2) have a little more p

【在 R****D 的大作中提到】

:
: forward
: are
: low.
: 他们一般all in赢了就走输了继续10块钱rebuy。。。
: 烦得很，有时候他们all in了后面还跟着个deep stack的让你不好抉择啊。。。

g**s
发帖数: 1114

yeah, there are several people from china doing like this. $10 for 0.25/0.50
game and seat there playing like a robot. win and run. nothing wrong with
that, but we may want to pay exta attention and take advantage of that if we
could.

i
haha.
with

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】

: yeah, so i don't bother to fight with them since their range is pretty
: straight forward. or sometimes when i got hands like AA, KK, i'll limp IF i
: can sense they're in shoving mode from LP.
: they play like a robot.
: actually i use a similar strategy too, mutli tables, 30BB buy-in (slightly
: more than their 20BB mini). i figure this buy-in fits my pattern well, haha.
: with 10BB more, i could:
: 1) play more hands (bet/call 3x, 4x easier without commitment) preflop with
: position;
: 2) have a little more p

c**********l
发帖数: 606

imagine all the farmers decide one day to switch from WOW to oneline poker.
. . there are already too many russian/brazilian "robots", but nothing
compares to the chinese invasion.
I always wanted to ask, fryking, the reasonings behind your 30bb buy-in
strategy. I used to think that it was your in-laws playing. your reasons
given above still seem very pale to me and don't hole water. all the
reasons you listed should be all good for you to play full buy-in. if you
think your post-flop plays

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

hehe, in some sense, i still need a lot of discipline controls, maybe this
is the main reason i short buy-in to avoid big mistakes:
1) from my observation, normally there're only 1-2 full buy-in guys at a
table, and they play multi tables. they tend to be better than average. so
if i full buy-in, my target should be them to maximize, but i don't think
they make more mistakes than i do, or in most situations, a coin flip
between me and them;
2) then about 4-5 guys would buy in about $20-30, they'

【在 c**********l 的大作中提到】

: imagine all the farmers decide one day to switch from WOW to oneline poker.
: . . there are already too many russian/brazilian "robots", but nothing
: compares to the chinese invasion.
: I always wanted to ask, fryking, the reasonings behind your 30bb buy-in
: strategy. I used to think that it was your in-laws playing. your reasons
: given above still seem very pale to me and don't hole water. all the
: reasons you listed should be all good for you to play full buy-in. if you
: think your post-flop plays

c**********l
发帖数: 606

thanks for sharing, king. covering most of the fish and not being covered
by the shark is a very good point. you are right that it's noticeable that
not many ppl have full stake at table, maybe they didn't buy in in full, or
they lose part of them before you join the game. but I also noticed a lot
of fish who do buy in 100bb, where you are giving up "considerable"
opportunity when it does happen.
i don't fully agree on your point that "from my observation,
they don't really play for a full st

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

thanks a lot!
i don't use trackers to improve my game (to analyze my own patterns), which
i should as pokeryjj suggested a few times to me.
i only keep a tiny roll online, currently about $500 in cash and $400 in
tokens at fulltilt. i'm not a good deep stack player, so i tend to
accumulate small wins (looser than robots) or hit hard with short stack (
like robots). i'm weak-not-tight in general, so full buy-in or 10% of my
roll at table will stop me playing my ace game, haha.

that
or
willing

【在 c**********l 的大作中提到】

: thanks for sharing, king. covering most of the fish and not being covered
: by the shark is a very good point. you are right that it's noticeable that
: not many ppl have full stake at table, maybe they didn't buy in in full, or
: they lose part of them before you join the game. but I also noticed a lot
: of fish who do buy in 100bb, where you are giving up "considerable"
: opportunity when it does happen.
: i don't fully agree on your point that "from my observation,
: they don't really play for a full st

c**********l
发帖数: 606

well, i didn't want to use the word "weak-tight" but since you "admitted" it
... your stats are very typical weak tight, that's why i always thought it
was your in-laws playing. :-) based on your comments I read on this bbs, you
shouldn't be weaktight.
here is the obvious question: why keep such a small roll online while you
make 1k/month without much effort? maybe the obvious answer is the fact that
you are weak tight. . . but i just have hard time believing it. maybe i
shouldn't ask if this

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f*****g
发帖数: 15860

lol, i guess i'm satisfied with 1K/month for now as a hobby, it's not that
easy for me yet, for some months, i have to include bonus and rakeback to
meet this goal, sigh.
i'm not ambitious at all, if i could keep stable results, say, $12K/yr, will
make me happy. as a ref, melonli said he made $22K last year and about $2-
3K/month, he plays 1/2NL 6 max most of time, so i can't expect that much for
the micro level i play, haha.
i keep cashing out whenever i have enough, so to keep my head clear/ca

【在 c**********l 的大作中提到】

: well, i didn't want to use the word "weak-tight" but since you "admitted" it
: ... your stats are very typical weak tight, that's why i always thought it
: was your in-laws playing. :-) based on your comments I read on this bbs, you
: shouldn't be weaktight.
: here is the obvious question: why keep such a small roll online while you
: make 1k/month without much effort? maybe the obvious answer is the fact that
: you are weak tight. . . but i just have hard time believing it. maybe i
: shouldn't ask if this

c**********l
发帖数: 606

thanks for sharing, king. it's interesting that you prefer to cash out to
keep in your comfortable zone. I am the opposite and need the roll to be "
physically" online to feel comfortable... esp. when it's becoming more and
more difficult to move funds around these days.
good luck!

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

i guess my biggest problem is the fear of losing, typical for weak tight
players, especially when they're up.
for live plays, i don't worry that much if i lose $1K/trip since i know i
wouldn't play that often. the physical distance/time would "control" me.
but for online, i know most likely i'll play almost everyday, multi tables,
multi sites (lol), so i have to set my limit way lower. winning/losing <$100
a day is fine, but if i go over my head, and lose, say, $300 a day, i would
feel really ba

【在 c**********l 的大作中提到】

: thanks for sharing, king. it's interesting that you prefer to cash out to
: keep in your comfortable zone. I am the opposite and need the roll to be "
: physically" online to feel comfortable... esp. when it's becoming more and
: more difficult to move funds around these days.
: good luck!

q****8
发帖数: 3281

I really need to learn your discipline. I was up to your five-month yield in
one and a half month, but later down to your two-month yield in one week. :)

will
for
in
moving

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】

: lol, i guess i'm satisfied with 1K/month for now as a hobby, it's not that
: easy for me yet, for some months, i have to include bonus and rakeback to
: meet this goal, sigh.
: i'm not ambitious at all, if i could keep stable results, say, $12K/yr, will
: make me happy. as a ref, melonli said he made $22K last year and about $2-
: 3K/month, he plays 1/2NL 6 max most of time, so i can't expect that much for
: the micro level i play, haha.
: i keep cashing out whenever i have enough, so to keep my head clear/ca

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

i learned my lessons before... i'm still an impulsive player who leaks here
and there.
but now i know more about my poker "destiny", i'd never be a fast $ maker.
what happened to those internet kids will not be my story.
as an average player, my weapon is to make fewer mistakes than other average
players, and hit donks (or "myself" in the past).
as i mentioned before, i handle my tilt better now since as the pro said,
when you lose, the (old) money is GONE, nothing you can do to get "even" or
it

【在 q****8 的大作中提到】

: I really need to learn your discipline. I was up to your five-month yield in
: one and a half month, but later down to your two-month yield in one week. :)
:
: will
: for
: in
: moving

y********n
发帖数: 2063

from my experience, if only play .25/.5 game, winning 200bucks everyday is
very very very good.
suppose you play 3k hands in that day, you win 200/.5=400bb, you win 400/30=
13.3bb/100hand.
even you play 4k hands that day, you still win 400/40=10bb/100hands.
(I am super happy if I can win 6-7bb/100 hands consistently.)
usually playing super loose can achieve that goal.
4k hands a day, typically means you play 8+ hours(4+ tables at one time).

in
:)

【在 q****8 的大作中提到】

: I really need to learn your discipline. I was up to your five-month yield in
: one and a half month, but later down to your two-month yield in one week. :)
:
: will
: for
: in
: moving

q****8
发帖数: 3281

I couldn't win 4 full buy-ins everyday on .25/.5. I just went to $2/4 tables
and won 1/2 to one buy-in per day on those days.

30=

【在 y********n 的大作中提到】

: from my experience, if only play .25/.5 game, winning 200bucks everyday is
: very very very good.
: suppose you play 3k hands in that day, you win 200/.5=400bb, you win 400/30=
: 13.3bb/100hand.
: even you play 4k hands that day, you still win 400/40=10bb/100hands.
: (I am super happy if I can win 6-7bb/100 hands consistently.)
: usually playing super loose can achieve that goal.
: 4k hands a day, typically means you play 8+ hours(4+ tables at one time).
:
: in

t*********d
发帖数: 3398

多谢建议。我一般都是minimum buyin, 一是刚开始的时候，需要点时间来热身；二
是看看手气，手气好一般会很快翻倍的，double了我一般不会跑，会一直赢到5倍左
右再考虑退出；三是钱少， all in 没什么顾忌，也容易给其他人造成我是很冲动的
选手的印象，对我后面all in有好处。

averaging
better
is
low

【在 t******b 的大作中提到】

f*****g
发帖数: 15860

你丫学坏了，哈哈。

【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】

: 多谢建议。我一般都是minimum buyin, 一是刚开始的时候，需要点时间来热身；二
: 是看看手气，手气好一般会很快翻倍的，double了我一般不会跑，会一直赢到5倍左
: 右再考虑退出；三是钱少， all in 没什么顾忌，也容易给其他人造成我是很冲动的
: 选手的印象，对我后面all in有好处。
:
: averaging
: better
: is
: low

t*********d
发帖数: 3398

还不够坏
如果能动不动用语言挤兑一些玩的差的人，他们很容易打赌气牌，然后拼命来跟你，
机会就来了。

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】

: 你丫学坏了，哈哈。

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