m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 1 one guy bet 8$ I called on big blind(out of position)
flop As10d2d , I checked he bet 8$ , I checked raise to30$, he called.
turn is 8h, I bet 45$, he reraise all in!!
what can I do, why this always happend to me??!! | j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 2 I feel he has a set.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: one guy bet 8$ I called on big blind(out of position)
: flop As10d2d , I checked he bet 8$ , I checked raise to30$, he called.
: turn is 8h, I bet 45$, he reraise all in!!
: what can I do, why this always happend to me??!!
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 3 the checkraise bet is probably too big, your AK is objectively not a strong
hand, so I'd just raise about 20-24 if I decide to do checkraise.
His call then all in
should show a very strong hand, you have an easy fold here if
his all in bet is huge.
Also, if he's superaggressive, you should probably reraise preflop
and hope to win the pot there. AK out of position is not easy
to play. If he's a very solid player, you can even fold AK here
because of positional disadvantage, another choice is to g
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: one guy bet 8$ I called on big blind(out of position)
: flop As10d2d , I checked he bet 8$ , I checked raise to30$, he called.
: turn is 8h, I bet 45$, he reraise all in!!
: what can I do, why this always happend to me??!!
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 4 我发觉cozofu的看法经常和我的相似.
melonli的bet经常过大.每一个bet要能让自己既能进,又能退.除非你有nuts.太大就变
成pot committed. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 correct me if i'm wrong, but your bets normally give me (if i'm the player)
enough info. what you may have.
in this hand, "you like the A, but not really that much, i.e, AA or A two
pairs, ... and you want to finish the game right here with $30 raise ..."
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: one guy bet 8$ I called on big blind(out of position)
: flop As10d2d , I checked he bet 8$ , I checked raise to30$, he called.
: turn is 8h, I bet 45$, he reraise all in!!
: what can I do, why this always happend to me??!!
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 呵呵，也插一脚，俺也不大爱在AK上做大文章，经常是pre-flop bet only with
position或者flop上$20左右试图结束战斗(if i hit one of them)，再往后很难搞出
点事来，AK往往就是一对而已。
上个月就是有把牌糊涂了，损失惨重。
AKo, bet $15 pre-flop, 2 callers (one low and one big stakes).
flop Kd7d5c, both checked, i bet $35, both called without thinking.... (red
alert! sigh);
turn was 2d. big stake bet $100, low stake called, i still don't know what
the hell happened to me at that time!!! i calllllllllllled.
river was blank but cost me another stupid $125.
both showed me a flush,
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 我发觉cozofu的看法经常和我的相似.
: melonli的bet经常过大.每一个bet要能让自己既能进,又能退.除非你有nuts.太大就变
: 成pot committed.
| m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 7 AK is not strong hand??! for A10 3 flop?
30$ for a 24$ pot is too big???
you guys are kidding me.
And I did folllow up bet 45$ on the turn since he may have flush draw or A
weak kicker. | m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 8 IF I bet 20$ on the flop, he will probably call, and turn I bet 45$ he will
push too.
If I check , he bet , I have no information here.
my 45$ and the flop 30$ is good enough to test his hand( he either have set
or A 8)( turn is 8)
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: one guy bet 8$ I called on big blind(out of position)
: flop As10d2d , I checked he bet 8$ , I checked raise to30$, he called.
: turn is 8h, I bet 45$, he reraise all in!!
: what can I do, why this always happend to me??!!
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 9 ok, let me show you some simple math, those who would fold $30 bet would
also fold $24, those who would call often have you beat here. That means you
averagely burn $6 more dollars in this situation. What's more, on the turn
bet, suppose you bet half pot, you'd burn another $6 more dollars to find
out you are beat. If you bet 3/4 pot, you'd burn $9 more dollars.
So overally, you waste $12 to $15 more to find out you are beat in this
situation. Which is certainly a big deal, cause your buyin is
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: AK is not strong hand??! for A10 3 flop?
: 30$ for a 24$ pot is too big???
: you guys are kidding me.
: And I did folllow up bet 45$ on the turn since he may have flush draw or A
: weak kicker.
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 10 but he didn't re-raise at the flop. 2-pair?
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: I feel he has a set.
| | | m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 11 he may hit 8 on the turn .
cozofu, so I think bet 23$ will save 1$ more as your theory and 22$ will
save 2$ .....
so you mean you will call the all in on the turn?? | p*t
发帖数: 275 | 12 I think he means he'll fold, but smaller bets may save some bucks. I would
fold, too.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: he may hit 8 on the turn .
: cozofu, so I think bet 23$ will save 1$ more as your theory and 22$ will
: save 2$ .....
: so you mean you will call the all in on the turn??
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 13 不光是省几块的问题.
下的太多,心理上就不舍得,结果可能该fold不愿意fold,那个损失更大.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: he may hit 8 on the turn .
: cozofu, so I think bet 23$ will save 1$ more as your theory and 22$ will
: save 2$ .....
: so you mean you will call the all in on the turn??
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 14 also, sometimes, your overbet may just commit your whole stack into this
pot.
For example,
suppose your opp has only 90 left, so he raised you all in with the last
$90, and you should call here, cause you put extra 45 to see a $211 pot.
However, if you raised less, the situation may change,
if you only raised 20, he called, now the pot is 56,
then you bet 28, he pushed all in, which is 100, now the price is just wrong,
thus you can fold the all in bet easily.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: he may hit 8 on the turn .
: cozofu, so I think bet 23$ will save 1$ more as your theory and 22$ will
: save 2$ .....
: so you mean you will call the all in on the turn??
| m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 15 if facing a lag player, whenever you show your weakness, he can bluff you
easily.
top pair top kicker is not strong, what is strong? | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 16 lag players can still hit their huge hands and stack you, and they'd stack
you many more times than others if they hit monsters and you
always call with top pair top kicker. I am not saying you
should never call the all in bet in your situation. However, you could
have made the pot much smaller and made your call of their bluff much
easier. Against maniacs, often calling their bets with strength
can be the best strategy, and that's why most good players would play
small pots with Toppair top kic
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: if facing a lag player, whenever you show your weakness, he can bluff you
: easily.
: top pair top kicker is not strong, what is strong?
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 17 That's easy.
When you have nuts, show him weakness and let him bluff you.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: if facing a lag player, whenever you show your weakness, he can bluff you
: easily.
: top pair top kicker is not strong, what is strong?
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 hehe, are you talking about me? sometimes sometimes.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: That's easy.
: When you have nuts, show him weakness and let him bluff you.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 19
我还没全看完，讲一下我的看法。
Preflop is OK. Reraise will define the situation better, postflop play will
proabably be easier for you. I don't think call is wrong, reraise will
probably better if your opponent's postflop play is solid though.
check raise is fine, your raise is too big, without a specific reason your
raise shouldn't be larger than the pot usually. Mathmatically, pot size bet
is large enough to make most of the draws wrong to call, larger than that is
useless. You might make them make a bigge
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: one guy bet 8$ I called on big blind(out of position)
: flop As10d2d , I checked he bet 8$ , I checked raise to30$, he called.
: turn is 8h, I bet 45$, he reraise all in!!
: what can I do, why this always happend to me??!!
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 20 reason 1 you need to control the bet size is the long term effect, the small
dollars do add up.
reason 2 is control the pot size for the current street gives a big impact
to the pot size of the further street.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: he may hit 8 on the turn .
: cozofu, so I think bet 23$ will save 1$ more as your theory and 22$ will
: save 2$ .....
: so you mean you will call the all in on the turn??
| | | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 21 another suggestion is when you make a post like this, try not to give out
how the hand is played out so easily. When they know you are facing an all-
in raise naturally they will start to question your bet and previous play.
Try to make it a step by step post, it's easier to gather unbiased opinion.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: one guy bet 8$ I called on big blind(out of position)
: flop As10d2d , I checked he bet 8$ , I checked raise to30$, he called.
: turn is 8h, I bet 45$, he reraise all in!!
: what can I do, why this always happend to me??!!
| t***k
发帖数: 57 | 22 you shuold 3 bet him preflop , raised him to $32 preflop ,then it is an easy
decision for you. play the whole stack! | m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 23 ok,
turn , say I check , he bet 45$ , should I call?
as you said I should call, and get very little information.
river , whatever came , I have to check again, now he bet 65$ , what can i
do??
it is very bad decisition when you cold call without position, now I bet on
the turn ( he doesn't know I have set two pairs or just top pair) he still
all in then
he probably have two pairs above. |
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