b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 1 What do you think about this video?
It's pretty exaggerated forearm supination.
Do you supinate forearm a lot during drop racquet phase?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgjKg9G_wI |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 2 I didn't watch his previous segments or the ones after...
just base on this one, I would say he is right on dropping the racquet at a
macro level. His demonstration is exaggerated, and I do not like how he
dropped the racquet, I would guess he slap the ball more (which could be
seen as 很暴力）。 I also don't agree with him on the pronation as you hit
your forehand up over the ball, but I didn't understand him completely.
Another thing I don't agree with him is dip your shoulder so your swing
trajectory is up. I guess he's doing it because of his take back and his
swing style (slap, american style? lol). I would advocate shoulders parallel
with the ground. (i dip my shoulder at times too, but that's cuz i'm lazy
and old, not how it should be). Issue with dipping is, once you dip, it's
hard to generate as much pace behind the ball, maybe ok at WSN level... but
if you are aiming to fulfill your full potential, I would say no....
My take back is totally different from his (at least from this clip), and
because of it, my drop feel very natural to me, I don't think about supinate
or anything during the drop phase, I just let the racquet fall and drop my
elbow with it.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: What do you think about this video?
: It's pretty exaggerated forearm supination.
: Do you supinate forearm a lot during drop racquet phase?
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgjKg9G_wI
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 3 多谢!
a
parallel
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: I didn't watch his previous segments or the ones after...
: just base on this one, I would say he is right on dropping the racquet at a
: macro level. His demonstration is exaggerated, and I do not like how he
: dropped the racquet, I would guess he slap the ball more (which could be
: seen as 很暴力）。 I also don't agree with him on the pronation as you hit
: your forehand up over the ball, but I didn't understand him completely.
: Another thing I don't agree with him is dip your shoulder so your swing
: trajectory is up. I guess he's doing it because of his take back and his
: swing style (slap, american style? lol). I would advocate shoulders parallel
: with the ground. (i dip my shoulder at times too, but that's cuz i'm lazy
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 4 just to add, my wrist is a bit supinated already during the take back.
Supinated as in 手背和小手臂成 >90, <180的角度 (100~120maybe)， right?
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 多谢!
:
: a
: parallel
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 5 probably not.
my understanding is:
during take back: a little pronation
drop racquet: supination
swing to contact: nothing
after contact: pronation
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: just to add, my wrist is a bit supinated already during the take back.
: Supinated as in 手背和小手臂成 >90, <180的角度 (100~120maybe)， right?
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 6 ic... it's different way of hitting... the way you mentioned seems more
fitting for timed the ball style. I advocate set early and wait for the ball
. So in this case I don't see the point of little pronation before the
supination... why add more motion later when you can do it early. Another
thing with the stroke you are describing is it's easier to getting into that
slap motion stroke, a bit top spin and a bit flat drive (i think many
american player hit this way). I frankly think it's a fitting way for player
who has big serve, and relatively tall, like Querry, Kyrgios, Isner. For
player with better movement, and is not as tall, I would suggest build the
game base on spin....
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: probably not.
: my understanding is:
: during take back: a little pronation
: drop racquet: supination
: swing to contact: nothing
: after contact: pronation
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 7 现在看Jack Sock对FF， jack sock也是这挥法，比较Flat。其实Djokvic也是这样的，
spin比较多。
ball
that
player
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: ic... it's different way of hitting... the way you mentioned seems more
: fitting for timed the ball style. I advocate set early and wait for the ball
: . So in this case I don't see the point of little pronation before the
: supination... why add more motion later when you can do it early. Another
: thing with the stroke you are describing is it's easier to getting into that
: slap motion stroke, a bit top spin and a bit flat drive (i think many
: american player hit this way). I frankly think it's a fitting way for player
: who has big serve, and relatively tall, like Querry, Kyrgios, Isner. For
: player with better movement, and is not as tall, I would suggest build the
: game base on spin....
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 8 I would humbly disagree that djokovic and sock has similar fh stroke. At a
macro level it's true that most pro has similar mechanics but if diving into
the details there are some subtle yet very distinct difference. It's these
small differences that differentiates their play style and their game...
here it's these subtle difference that socks game does not bother federer at
all.
Base on my limited exposure, i feel socks stroke is pretty much how many
Americans taught here.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 现在看Jack Sock对FF， jack sock也是这挥法，比较Flat。其实Djokvic也是这样的，
: spin比较多。
:
: ball
: that
: player
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 9 我的意思是in term of drop racquet时supination的程度挺接近的，其他的确不完全
一样。
into
these
at
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: I would humbly disagree that djokovic and sock has similar fh stroke. At a
: macro level it's true that most pro has similar mechanics but if diving into
: the details there are some subtle yet very distinct difference. It's these
: small differences that differentiates their play style and their game...
: here it's these subtle difference that socks game does not bother federer at
: all.
: Base on my limited exposure, i feel socks stroke is pretty much how many
: Americans taught here.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 10 Supernation i think most pros do, timing of when supernate maybe a bit
different. I think their racquet drop is quite different. Pay attention to
the racquet face with respect to the ground.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 我的意思是in term of drop racquet时supination的程度挺接近的，其他的确不完全
: 一样。
:
: into
: these
: at
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 11 这哥是彻底的纸上谈兵，油管上十几个视频，没有一个彻底地挥了下拍，击了下球。
LOL
这种一公分一公分地解说，动作都太夸张。同意黑岛说的貌似是很米国式的正手。开放
式站立，夹上臂，翻手从很低向上挥上旋。 高中男娃很多这样的。 |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 12 pay a bit more attention on my supination, I notice i'm already a slightly
supination during my neutral stance, racquet perpendicular to the net above
my belly button. So it's not a motion I have to deal with.
I think doing a pronation then supination does give you a bit more quick
snap, a better feel of racquet head lag, and a bit extra racquet speed, but
timing of it will be more difficult.
to
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Supernation i think most pros do, timing of when supernate maybe a bit
: different. I think their racquet drop is quite different. Pay attention to
: the racquet face with respect to the ground.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 13 let me take that back about Sock's FH(my apology for not youtube sock's fh
before replying through my phone). Sock's FH is not a what I called a
typical american forehand... it's kinda like kyrgios nadal and djokovic's fh
rolled into one lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWqrVOW_-SE
Here is some interesting stat on his FH. Although it seems stats does not
equates to the winning result...
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 现在看Jack Sock对FF， jack sock也是这挥法，比较Flat。其实Djokvic也是这样的，
: spin比较多。
:
: ball
: that
: player
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 14 np, too many forehand styles. Hopefully I can adapt to one that suits me.
fh
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: let me take that back about Sock's FH(my apology for not youtube sock's fh
: before replying through my phone). Sock's FH is not a what I called a
: typical american forehand... it's kinda like kyrgios nadal and djokovic's fh
: rolled into one lol...
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWqrVOW_-SE
: Here is some interesting stat on his FH. Although it seems stats does not
: equates to the winning result...
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 15 my approach is keep it simple, keep it clean, thus I like Joker's fh style.
The way i measure simple/clean is see through from prospective of plane and
swing slot. One way is imagine a marker at tip of the racquet, mark the
swing path from neutral to take back to finish. You'll notice Joker's fh is
very clean, where Sock's forehand has a lot more actions... sort all over
the place. It's is fine if he's used to it and time everything well. For us
WSN i think all those actions makes the stroke more difficult to execute
properly, especially under pressure.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: np, too many forehand styles. Hopefully I can adapt to one that suits me.
:
: fh
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 16 here is my table napkin attempt of Joker and Sock's fh. Black is jokers, red
is socks.
I'm not claiming one is better than the other, just want to share my
prospective on how I see things. Joker's racquet pretty much stays in the
same hitting plane or the swing slot the entire time, where you see Sock's
racquet does a lot stuff in different plane before getting into that swing
slot.
.
and
is
us
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: my approach is keep it simple, keep it clean, thus I like Joker's fh style.
: The way i measure simple/clean is see through from prospective of plane and
: swing slot. One way is imagine a marker at tip of the racquet, mark the
: swing path from neutral to take back to finish. You'll notice Joker's fh is
: very clean, where Sock's forehand has a lot more actions... sort all over
: the place. It's is fine if he's used to it and time everything well. For us
: WSN i think all those actions makes the stroke more difficult to execute
: properly, especially under pressure.
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 17
red is socks.
哈哈，不错，Sock的正手看着太蛋痛了。感觉像overengineered。虽然上旋强，但到了
红土和草地上不容易站稳时多半烂得一塌糊涂。 看看big 4，都很简洁。这才是WSN需
要学习的。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: here is my table napkin attempt of Joker and Sock's fh. Black is jokers, red
: is socks.
: I'm not claiming one is better than the other, just want to share my
: prospective on how I see things. Joker's racquet pretty much stays in the
: same hitting plane or the swing slot the entire time, where you see Sock's
: racquet does a lot stuff in different plane before getting into that swing
: slot.
:
: .
: and
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 18 I like Halep's forehand a lot. She can flat it out or spin it. And the swing
path is very simple. Maybe it's a good one to model after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnz5dw50-rQ
red
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: here is my table napkin attempt of Joker and Sock's fh. Black is jokers, red
: is socks.
: I'm not claiming one is better than the other, just want to share my
: prospective on how I see things. Joker's racquet pretty much stays in the
: same hitting plane or the swing slot the entire time, where you see Sock's
: racquet does a lot stuff in different plane before getting into that swing
: slot.
:
: .
: and
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 19 definitely! she's my favorite WTA player right now... love her clean strokes
, superb footworks and how she set up the points. Hope she can over come
Serena in the semis. :)
One slight difference between her take back and joker's take back is racquet
distance from the body. Joker keep it closer and extends out after the
rotation, Halep extends out earlier as she rotates. In this sense I still
perfer joker's because less distance racquet have to travel for the take
back. It's subtle, more of self preference. :)
swing
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: I like Halep's forehand a lot. She can flat it out or spin it. And the swing
: path is very simple. Maybe it's a good one to model after.
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnz5dw50-rQ
:
: red
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 20 赞 "看着太蛋痛了" lol :D
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: red is socks.
: 哈哈，不错，Sock的正手看着太蛋痛了。感觉像overengineered。虽然上旋强，但到了
: 红土和草地上不容易站稳时多半烂得一塌糊涂。 看看big 4，都很简洁。这才是WSN需
: 要学习的。
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