m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 1 之前一直都是好好的。周一跑到3mi的时候左膝开始痛，跑到5mi痛到不行了，基本上左
腿不能打弯，一只脚跳回家的。之后的两天，都不能正常走路，都是左脚直着这么挪的
。周三起床就不疼了，试着跑了跑，在10步之后开始膝盖有痛感，于是趴窝了。从此走
路都没问题，但是跑一会儿之后就膝盖有痛感，不敢push了，一直趴窝到今天，还是不
能跑，5分钟之后就有痛感。
应该是某根tendon 发炎了吧？可是我都已经休息整5天了啊，还没好……之前ITBS的时
候，虽然疼，但是还是可以跑的。现在这种膝盖的感觉，是不能跑的。我上周日刚报的
race啊……周一就给我来这一手……我现在急坏了:( 不会真坑爹到要一个月以上才好
吧？race是明年3月我还想好好训练下呢…… | d*********e
发帖数: 8525 | 2 膝盖到一直没事，10月份莫名其妙右脚弓伤了，现在还没好利索， | m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 3 只要不痛到不能跑，就能run through。我这个是不能跑……
打算明天去买点aleve吃吃看。
【在 d*********e 的大作中提到】
: 膝盖到一直没事，10月份莫名其妙右脚弓伤了，现在还没好利索，
| b*****l
发帖数: 2903 | 4 may take a month
【在 m******i 的大作中提到】
: 只要不痛到不能跑，就能run through。我这个是不能跑……
: 打算明天去买点aleve吃吃看。
| a******h
发帖数: 1183 | 5 你是ITBS吗？
【在 m******i 的大作中提到】
: 之前一直都是好好的。周一跑到3mi的时候左膝开始痛，跑到5mi痛到不行了，基本上左
: 腿不能打弯，一只脚跳回家的。之后的两天，都不能正常走路，都是左脚直着这么挪的
: 。周三起床就不疼了，试着跑了跑，在10步之后开始膝盖有痛感，于是趴窝了。从此走
: 路都没问题，但是跑一会儿之后就膝盖有痛感，不敢push了，一直趴窝到今天，还是不
: 能跑，5分钟之后就有痛感。
: 应该是某根tendon 发炎了吧？可是我都已经休息整5天了啊，还没好……之前ITBS的时
: 候，虽然疼，但是还是可以跑的。现在这种膝盖的感觉，是不能跑的。我上周日刚报的
: race啊……周一就给我来这一手……我现在急坏了:( 不会真坑爹到要一个月以上才好
: 吧？race是明年3月我还想好好训练下呢……
| d******0
发帖数: 22800 | 6 祝福一下。帮不上忙。
偶才开始跑加上跑得慢，还没有遇到膝盖痛感成这样的。要不，看一下医生，查查啥地
方的问题？ | t*********t
发帖数: 4766 | 7 赞成看医生。膝盖疼的可能原因太多了。看看就有数了。
【在 d******0 的大作中提到】
: 祝福一下。帮不上忙。
: 偶才开始跑加上跑得慢，还没有遇到膝盖痛感成这样的。要不，看一下医生，查查啥地
: 方的问题？
| m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 8 之前是itbs，这个膝盖的不是itbs。
看医生太贵了……先保守着吧
【在 a******h 的大作中提到】
: 你是ITBS吗？
| d*********e
发帖数: 8525 | 9 这个月刚好一点，一个星期敢跑一次，一般做些别的。 一度不敢受力，一次摆足了
架势上了跑步机，没到半mile就下来了。
【在 m******i 的大作中提到】
: 只要不痛到不能跑，就能run through。我这个是不能跑……
: 打算明天去买点aleve吃吃看。
| x**c
发帖数: 1435 | 10 膝盖下端跑伤了一周了还没有恢复，也正恼心。
【在 m******i 的大作中提到】
: 之前一直都是好好的。周一跑到3mi的时候左膝开始痛，跑到5mi痛到不行了，基本上左
: 腿不能打弯，一只脚跳回家的。之后的两天，都不能正常走路，都是左脚直着这么挪的
: 。周三起床就不疼了，试着跑了跑，在10步之后开始膝盖有痛感，于是趴窝了。从此走
: 路都没问题，但是跑一会儿之后就膝盖有痛感，不敢push了，一直趴窝到今天，还是不
: 能跑，5分钟之后就有痛感。
: 应该是某根tendon 发炎了吧？可是我都已经休息整5天了啊，还没好……之前ITBS的时
: 候，虽然疼，但是还是可以跑的。现在这种膝盖的感觉，是不能跑的。我上周日刚报的
: race啊……周一就给我来这一手……我现在急坏了:( 不会真坑爹到要一个月以上才好
: 吧？race是明年3月我还想好好训练下呢……
| | | j***y
发帖数: 5098 | 11 我冬天室外跑就会膝盖痛，
改成室内就没问题了
【在 m******i 的大作中提到】
: 之前一直都是好好的。周一跑到3mi的时候左膝开始痛，跑到5mi痛到不行了，基本上左
: 腿不能打弯，一只脚跳回家的。之后的两天，都不能正常走路，都是左脚直着这么挪的
: 。周三起床就不疼了，试着跑了跑，在10步之后开始膝盖有痛感，于是趴窝了。从此走
: 路都没问题，但是跑一会儿之后就膝盖有痛感，不敢push了，一直趴窝到今天，还是不
: 能跑，5分钟之后就有痛感。
: 应该是某根tendon 发炎了吧？可是我都已经休息整5天了啊，还没好……之前ITBS的时
: 候，虽然疼，但是还是可以跑的。现在这种膝盖的感觉，是不能跑的。我上周日刚报的
: race啊……周一就给我来这一手……我现在急坏了:( 不会真坑爹到要一个月以上才好
: 吧？race是明年3月我还想好好训练下呢……
| g*2
发帖数: 658 | 12 有没有红肿，热的感觉？ 痛的位置在哪里？ 膝盖的伸，曲， 有没有影响？ 能做半蹲
的动作吗？休息的时候痛吗？膝盖动的时候没有发出响声？
膝盖痛很多原因，可以看看下面的。如果去看医生，也可以先知道一些医学单词
KNEE PAIN CAUSES — There are many conditions that can cause knee pain.
Patellofemoral pain syndrome — This is a group of symptoms most commonly
caused by overuse of the knee. It affects many running athletes, and is more
common in women than men. It causes pain in the front of the knee, and pain
may worsen with squatting, running, prolonged sitting, or when climbing or
descending steps. (See "Patellofemoral pain syndrome".)
Bursitis — The knee is lubricated by joint fluid that is produced by the
lining of the joint and by six lubricating "bursa" sacs. The bursa sacs can
become irritated as a result of injury, excessive pressure, or overuse;
inflammation of a bursa is called bursitis. (See "Patient information:
Bursitis (Beyond the Basics)".)
Joint effusion — After a knee injury, excessive fluid can accumulate inside
the joint. This is called "water on the knee" or a joint effusion.
Arthritis — The cartilage covering the ends of the bones and the
undersurface of the knee cap (surface or articular cartilage) can become
worn down, irritated, or irregular, a condition known as arthritis. (See "
Patient information: Osteoarthritis symptoms and diagnosis (Beyond the
Basics)".)
Meniscal tears — Specialized "shock absorber" cartilage located between the
thigh and leg bones (meniscal cartilage) can be damaged, a condition known
as a torn meniscus.
Cruciate ligament sprain or tear — The knee joint is held tightly together
by four ligaments: the inner and outer fan-shaped hinge ligaments (medial
and lateral collateral ligaments) and the crossing (cruciate) ligaments,
which sit in the middle of the joint (the anterior and posterior cruciate
ligaments) (picture 1).
The collateral ligaments are firmly attached to the far end of the femur (
thigh bone) and the near end of the tibia and fibula (lower leg bones). They
function to hold the two bones together and prevent side-to-side motion.
The cruciate ligaments are firmly attached to the far end of the femur and
near end of the tibia. (See "Patient information: Anterior cruciate ligament
injury (Beyond the Basics)".)
Muscle strain — The quadriceps muscle (in the front of the thigh) and the
hamstring muscles (in the back of the thigh) support and move the knee joint
. Loss of strength in these muscles from injury or disuse causes the knee
joint to become unstable.
Significant weakening of muscle can cause the knee to "give out,"
potentially leading to a fall and further injury. Excessive use or a rapid
contraction (ie, from sprinting or jumping) can strain the quadriceps or
hamstring muscles.
Knee injuries — Pain in the knee can also occur after an injury:
Acute injuries may be caused by breaks in the bones, torn cartilage,
ligament rupture, or increased joint fluid due to a severe knee strain,
infection, arthritis, or bleeding. Most acute injuries cause severe pain and
swelling.
More subtle injuries, such as partially torn cartilage or tendon, and
ligament sprains cause less swelling, pain, and minimal difficulty walking
or bending the knee
Overuse or excessive use of the knee can cause patellofemoral pain
syndrome, arthritis flares, bursitis, or a knee strain and effusion.
Wear and tear over time; painful knee caps and arthritis are the two
most common causes of knee pain in people without knee injuries. | e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 13 先别急。时间还多。我没有经验，就是建议先cross training +easy run
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.5
【在 m******i 的大作中提到】
: 之前一直都是好好的。周一跑到3mi的时候左膝开始痛，跑到5mi痛到不行了，基本上左
: 腿不能打弯，一只脚跳回家的。之后的两天，都不能正常走路，都是左脚直着这么挪的
: 。周三起床就不疼了，试着跑了跑，在10步之后开始膝盖有痛感，于是趴窝了。从此走
: 路都没问题，但是跑一会儿之后就膝盖有痛感，不敢push了，一直趴窝到今天，还是不
: 能跑，5分钟之后就有痛感。
: 应该是某根tendon 发炎了吧？可是我都已经休息整5天了啊，还没好……之前ITBS的时
: 候，虽然疼，但是还是可以跑的。现在这种膝盖的感觉，是不能跑的。我上周日刚报的
: race啊……周一就给我来这一手……我现在急坏了:( 不会真坑爹到要一个月以上才好
: 吧？race是明年3月我还想好好训练下呢……
| g*2
发帖数: 658 | 14 不同的原因，治疗不同。 今天跑我也有一丝膝盖痛，赶紧停下来，走走就好了。 还是
休息为主。
KNEE PAIN TREATMENT — Physical therapy is essential to the treatment,
rehabilitation, and prevention of many of the conditions that affect the
knee joint and its surrounding supporting structures. Physical therapy for
knee pain often includes ice, elevation, and muscle-toning exercises.
Activity limitations — To speed recovery and protect against future knee
damage, activities that cause pain should be avoided temporarily.
The following positions and activities place excessive pressure on the knee
joint and should be limited until knee pain and swelling resolve:
Squatting
Kneeling
Twisting and pivoting
Repetitive bending (multiple flights of stairs, getting out of a seated
position, clutch and pedal pushing, etc.)
Jogging
Aerobics, dancing
Playing stop and go sports (basketball, sports that use racquets)
Swimming using the frog or whip kick
The following types of exercise equipment also place excessive pressure on
the knee joint and should be limited until knee pain and swelling resolve:
Stair stepper
Stationary bicycle
Rowing machine
Universal gym utilizing leg extensions
The preferred exercise equipment for the knee should provide smooth motion
of the knee, maximal toning of the front and back thigh muscles (quadriceps
and hamstring muscles), minimal jarring and impact to the joint, and the
least amount of bending to accomplish toning. These activities are
acceptable alternatives to the above:
Fast walking
Water aerobics
Swimming using the crawl stroke
Cross country ski machines
Soft platform treadmill
Ice and elevation — Ice is useful for the control of pain and swelling. It
can be applied to the knee for 15 to 20 minutes as often as every 2 to 4
hours, particularly after physical activity. A bag of ice, frozen vegetables
, or a frozen towel work well. The swollen knee should be elevated above the
level of the heart while icing.
Pain relief — If needed, a non-prescription pain medication such as
acetaminophen (Tylenol®), ibuprofen (eg, Advil®, Motrin®) or
naproxen (eg, Aleve®) can be taken. (See "Patient information:
Nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) (Beyond the Basics)".) No more
than 4000 mg of acetaminophen is recommended per day. Anyone with liver
disease or who drinks alcohol regularly should speak with his or her
healthcare provider before taking acetaminophen.
Strengthening exercises — Rehabilitation of the knee begins with gentle
strengthening exercises. These exercises are performed without bending the
affected knee.
Straight leg raises — Sit on the edge of a chair or lie down on the back.
Bend the opposite leg (picture 2). Keep the affected leg perfectly straight
and raise it 3 to 4 inches off the ground. Hold for 5 seconds. Repeat 10 to
15 times (one set). Perform a total of three sets.
As your condition improves, perform straight leg raises with weights at the
ankle; begin with a 2 pound weight and gradually increase to a 5 to 10 pound
weight (pennies or fishing weights in an old sock, 2 cans in a purse, or
Velcro ankle weights).
Hip abduction — Lie on your side on the bed or floor. The affected leg
should be on top and should be held straight. The bottom leg should be bent.
Hold the top leg straight and raise it 3 to 4 inches towards the ceiling.
Hold for 5 seconds then slowly release. Repeat 10 to 15 times (one set).
Perform a total of three sets.
Be sure to avoid rolling forwards or backwards while lifting the leg.
Hip adduction — Lie on your side on the bed or floor. The affected leg
should be on bottom and should be held straight. The top leg should be bent
with the foot placed in front of the bottom leg. Lift the bottom leg 3 to 4
inches. Hold for 5 seconds then slowly release. Repeat 10 to 15 times (one
set). Perform a total of three sets.
Quarter squats — Stand 18 to 24 inches from a wall. Lean back against the
wall. Bend both knees slightly (the buttocks should not be lower than the
knees), keeping the back straight (picture 3). Hold for five seconds then
slowly stand up straight. Rest as needed. Repeat 10 to 15 times (one set).
Perform a total of three sets. To increase the difficulty, bend the knees
more deeply, hold for a longer time, and increase the speed.
Alternately, use an exercise ball to perform squats. Stand up straight,
holding the ball between your back and the wall. Slowly bend the knees and
lower the back (roll the ball down the wall). Hold for a count of five.
Stand up. Repeat 10 to 15 times.
Stretching exercises
Hamstring stretch — Sit on the floor or bed with the affected leg extended
straight out in front of you. The opposite leg may be bent or may hang off
the bed. Keeping the affected leg straight, lean forward and reach for the
ankle. Hold for 30 seconds but do not bounce. Sit up straight. Repeat 10 to
15 times.
Quad stretch — Stand behind a chair, holding the top of the chair with one
hand. Bend the knee and grab the foot with the hand on the same side of the
body. Stand up straight. Gently pull the foot towards the body. Hold for 30
seconds, holding constant pressure on the foot (do not pull-release-pull).
Release the foot. Repeat 10 to 15 times.
Runner's stretch — Face a wall and stand 18 to 24 inches away. Place hands
at head height and lean into the wall, keeping legs and back straight. You
can rest your head on your hands, against the wall. You should feel a
stretch in the muscles in the back of the calf. Hold for 30 seconds. Repeat
10 to 15 times. | m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 15 谢谢版医。
没有红肿没有热，就在knee cap里面的那个位置，没有响声，有点类似崴了脚的那种疼
，但也不是完全一样。
痛的时候只要一接触地面受力，就痛，没有受力的话就不痛。现在只要不跑，怎么动都
一点都不痛，能做各种蹲的动作。
more
pain
or
【在 g*2 的大作中提到】
: 有没有红肿，热的感觉？ 痛的位置在哪里？ 膝盖的伸，曲， 有没有影响？ 能做半蹲
: 的动作吗？休息的时候痛吗？膝盖动的时候没有发出响声？
: 膝盖痛很多原因，可以看看下面的。如果去看医生，也可以先知道一些医学单词
: KNEE PAIN CAUSES — There are many conditions that can cause knee pain.
: Patellofemoral pain syndrome — This is a group of symptoms most commonly
: caused by overuse of the knee. It affects many running athletes, and is more
: common in women than men. It causes pain in the front of the knee, and pain
: may worsen with squatting, running, prolonged sitting, or when climbing or
: descending steps. (See "Patellofemoral pain syndrome".)
: Bursitis — The knee is lubricated by joint fluid that is produced by the
| V*******4
发帖数: 641 | | d*********e
发帖数: 8525 | 17 不舒服就休息一阵，可以做些别的。 现在想当时感觉脚有些木，停下来估计也就
没事，结果没当回事像平常跑了一个钟头，结果就废掉了
【在 m******i 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢版医。
: 没有红肿没有热，就在knee cap里面的那个位置，没有响声，有点类似崴了脚的那种疼
: ，但也不是完全一样。
: 痛的时候只要一接触地面受力，就痛，没有受力的话就不痛。现在只要不跑，怎么动都
: 一点都不痛，能做各种蹲的动作。
:
: more
: pain
: or
| g*2
发帖数: 658 | 18 那就排除炎性，免疫性的原因，还有滑囊炎。感觉patellofemoral pain syndrome
PFPS 或是 patellar tendinopathy， 前者可能性更大些
前者：
PFPS is the most common etiology of anterior knee pain in the general
population. PFPS can be defined as pain involving the patella and
retinaculum that excludes other intraarticular and peripatellar pathology.
There is no consensus about its pathophysiology. Overuse is common among
patients with PFPS.
PFPS has no pathognomonic sign or symptom. PFPS is a clinical diagnosis made
based upon history, examination, and the exclusion of alternative diagnoses
; plain films are not required for initial management.
Physical therapy focused upon improving the strength and flexibility of the
lower extremity and core muscles, including the hip abductors and quadriceps
, are generally effective in the treatment of PFPS.我们考试经常考，治疗PFPS
，主要是锻炼股四头肌
There is no evidence to support the long term use of NSAIDs for the
treatment of PFPS; limited evidence supports their use for short term pain
relief.
Surgical intervention for patellofemoral pain syndrome may be considered
only when nonoperative therapies have failed. Nonoperative therapy should be
pursued for 6 to 12 months prior to considering operative intervention and
a clearly identified structural abnormality amenable to surgery (eg, tight
lateral retinaculum) should exist.
The majority of PFPS patients experience a resolution of symptoms following
conservative treatment
强调一下如果是急性期
The acute phase of treatment during the first week focuses on pain control;
the subsequent recovery phase focuses on modification of risk factors and
biomechanical deficits.
Acute phase
Activity modification – Most experts believe that overload plays an
important role in the development of PFPS. Patients need to avoid activities
that cause pain during rehabilitation. Most runners need to reduce their
running volume and those with severe signs or symptoms (eg, limping) should
curtail all running activities. Patients with less severe symptoms may need
to stop only more extreme training, such as hill running and stadium step
running. Athletes can maintain aerobic fitness by using a stationary bicycle
(recumbent or upright), an upper body cycle, or by swimming, water running,
or other activities, provided they do not cause pain.
NSAIDs – There is no evidence to support the long term use of
nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) for the treatment of PFPS.
According to one systematic review, limited evidence supports their use in
the short term (two to three weeks) [49]. In this review, naproxen produced
more significant pain reduction compared with placebo, but aspirin did not.
Other modalities – Although formal studies are lacking, applying ice to
the anterior knee is reasonable to relieve pain associated with PFPS. There
is no empiric evidence to support the use of ultrasound, iontophoresis,
phonophoresis, or electrical stimulation in the treatment of PFPS [49-51].
后者：
看到一篇review abstract
Treatment of patellar tendinopathy--a systematic review of randomized
controlled trials.
Larsson ME, Käll I, Nilsson-Helander K.
Source
Department of Clinical Neuroscience and Rehabilitation/Physiotherapy,
Institute of Neuroscience and Physiology, The Sahlgrenska Academy at
University of Gothenburg, Gothenburg, Sweden. m**************[email protected]
Abstract
PURPOSE:
Patellar tendinopathy is a common, painful, overuse disorder. Although many
different treatment methods have been described, there is no consensus
regarding the optimal treatment for this condition. The purpose of this
study was to systematically review, summarize, and compare treatments for
patellar tendinopathy from published randomized controlled trials.
METHODS:
Database searches were performed for randomized prospective controlled
trials comparing treatment methods for patellar tendinopathy. The thirteen
articles considered relevant were scrutinized according to quality
assessment guidelines and levels of evidence.
RESULTS:
Strong evidence was found for the use of eccentric training to treat
patellar tendinopathy. Moderate evidence was found for conservative
treatment (heavy slow resistance training) as an alternative to eccentric
training. Moderate evidence suggests that low-intensity pulsed ultrasound
treatment did not influence treatment outcomes. Limited evidence was found
for surgery, sclerosing injections, and shockwave therapy.
CONCLUSION:
Physical training, and particularly eccentric training, appears to be the
treatment of choice for patients suffering from patellar tendinopathy.
However, type of exercise, frequency, load, and dosage must also be analyzed
. Other treatment methods, such as surgical treatment, sclerosing injections
, and shockwave therapy, must be investigated further before recommendations
can be made regarding their use. Ultrasound can likely be excluded as a
treatment for patellar tendinopathy. There is a persistent lack of well-
designed studies with sufficiently long-term follow-up and number of
patients to draw strong conclusions regarding therapy.
eccentric training 离心训练. wiki是这么讲的：
Eccentric training is the lowering phase of an exercise. For example, in a
biceps curl the action of lowering the dumbbell back down from the lift is
the eccentric phase of that exercise — as long as the dumbbell is lowered
slowly rather than letting it drop.
There are three distinct phases in the movement of muscles and tendons:
isometric (no movement), concentric (contracting) and eccentric (Extracting)
. All three of these stages in muscles movements have an effect on muscle
tissues and tendons (tendons are what attach the muscle to the bone).
Eccentric training focuses on slowing down the elongation of the muscle
process in order to challenge the muscles, which can lead to stronger
muscles, faster muscle repair and increasing metabolic rate.[1]
Eccentric movement provides a braking mechanism for muscle and tendon groups
that are experiencing concentric movement to protect joints from damage as
the contraction is released.[1]
Eccentric training is particularly good for casual and high performance
athletes or the elderly and patients looking to rehabilitate certain muscles
and tendons.[2]
俺也学习了
【在 m******i 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢版医。
: 没有红肿没有热，就在knee cap里面的那个位置，没有响声，有点类似崴了脚的那种疼
: ，但也不是完全一样。
: 痛的时候只要一接触地面受力，就痛，没有受力的话就不痛。现在只要不跑，怎么动都
: 一点都不痛，能做各种蹲的动作。
:
: more
: pain
: or
| m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 19 谢谢版医。学习了。
这两天先吃点aleve做做大米，到周一了再看看有没有好转。
只希望不要take me too long to fully recover
made
diagnoses
【在 g*2 的大作中提到】
: 那就排除炎性，免疫性的原因，还有滑囊炎。感觉patellofemoral pain syndrome
: PFPS 或是 patellar tendinopathy， 前者可能性更大些
: 前者：
: PFPS is the most common etiology of anterior knee pain in the general
: population. PFPS can be defined as pain involving the patella and
: retinaculum that excludes other intraarticular and peripatellar pathology.
: There is no consensus about its pathophysiology. Overuse is common among
: patients with PFPS.
: PFPS has no pathognomonic sign or symptom. PFPS is a clinical diagnosis made
: based upon history, examination, and the exclusion of alternative diagnoses
| S*********g
发帖数: 7653 | 20 赞下MM 比好多男生强多了 好多男生一跑就这痛那痛 痛了就不跑，看着就恶心到家了
我以前一个本科师弟 脚被鞋子磨了个泡，血都把鞋尖染红了 还继续跑步 没啥大不了
死不了
不过MM还是好好歇着 | d******0
发帖数: 22800 | 21 没不可逆的后遗症的话，是可以run through，但是，有不可逆的还是算了吧，玩死自
己的腿脚就没有的玩了，来日方长啊。妹妹意还是悠着点，不要逞强。
睡袋的朋友很多都是很tough很有运动潜质的主，不会是体育系的吧。。。当然，除了
那个养肥肥的师弟。
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 赞下MM 比好多男生强多了 好多男生一跑就这痛那痛 痛了就不跑，看着就恶心到家了
: 我以前一个本科师弟 脚被鞋子磨了个泡，血都把鞋尖染红了 还继续跑步 没啥大不了
: 死不了
: 不过MM还是好好歇着
| S*********g
发帖数: 7653 | 22 养肥肥的师弟 以前在国内读研究生的时候 是比较正常的 5K 20分出头 半马135 后来
吃胖的
这个本科师弟以前很胖但是看不太出来因为他很高 188的样子，后来在我的激将下减肥
了，也是我们数学系的学弟，只是他不追求速度，倒是挺能跑的。跑的并不快，没练过
TEMPO 长期低心率跑
【在 d******0 的大作中提到】
: 没不可逆的后遗症的话，是可以run through，但是，有不可逆的还是算了吧，玩死自
: 己的腿脚就没有的玩了，来日方长啊。妹妹意还是悠着点，不要逞强。
: 睡袋的朋友很多都是很tough很有运动潜质的主，不会是体育系的吧。。。当然，除了
: 那个养肥肥的师弟。
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