l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 1 If one includes plenty of walk breaks from the beginning, completing an
ultra run does not seem to be that out of reach. For example, starting from
beginning, one can run 12 minutes (covering 1 mile), then walk 8 minutes (
covering 1/2 a mile). That means 4.5 mph or 13;20 pace. At that pace, 100M
will be just under 22 hours 15 minutes.
I will try a 50M this way in a few weeks on a flat trail and see how it
works. |
L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 2 In many trail races, on certain sections you won't be able to run at 12
minutes pace for a single mile even if you go all out. So no, it will not
work for something like Leadville or western states.
After 12 hours of continuous action, your body will function in a different
mode. All of your assumptions will go out of the window. A few talented can
do what you say. Most will not be able to. Smart pacing strategy can help
you to, maybe finish a flat ultra in under 30 hours. But to get under 24
hours, even on a flat trail, requires rigorous training and is in no way a
given.
As I often say, a 100-miler starts at mile 80 (some even say mile 90). You
could be feeling great at mile 70 but destroy yourself by mile 90. You
simply cannot say "assuming this very easy pace I could finish under......"
from
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: If one includes plenty of walk breaks from the beginning, completing an
: ultra run does not seem to be that out of reach. For example, starting from
: beginning, one can run 12 minutes (covering 1 mile), then walk 8 minutes (
: covering 1/2 a mile). That means 4.5 mph or 13;20 pace. At that pace, 100M
: will be just under 22 hours 15 minutes.
: I will try a 50M this way in a few weeks on a flat trail and see how it
: works.
|
l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 3
different
can
Of course, this simple strategy as it is will work only on flat courses. For
courses with significant elevation gain, walking portion will have to be
increased, to the point that maybe any meaningful uphill section will be
hiked as opposed to run.
As an alpine climber, I am used to the long 18-hour or 20-hour day with
little sleep, so I know how my body reacts to this kind of effort. I know it
's not easy, and it's not exactly like alpine climbing, so I am interested
in finding out how it will work for me.
【在 L***0 的大作中提到】
: In many trail races, on certain sections you won't be able to run at 12
: minutes pace for a single mile even if you go all out. So no, it will not
: work for something like Leadville or western states.
: After 12 hours of continuous action, your body will function in a different
: mode. All of your assumptions will go out of the window. A few talented can
: do what you say. Most will not be able to. Smart pacing strategy can help
: you to, maybe finish a flat ultra in under 30 hours. But to get under 24
: hours, even on a flat trail, requires rigorous training and is in no way a
: given.
: As I often say, a 100-miler starts at mile 80 (some even say mile 90). You
|
w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 4 looking forward to your report.
For
it
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
:
: different
: can
: Of course, this simple strategy as it is will work only on flat courses. For
: courses with significant elevation gain, walking portion will have to be
: increased, to the point that maybe any meaningful uphill section will be
: hiked as opposed to run.
: As an alpine climber, I am used to the long 18-hour or 20-hour day with
: little sleep, so I know how my body reacts to this kind of effort. I know it
: 's not easy, and it's not exactly like alpine climbing, so I am interested
|
s******p
发帖数: 819 | 5 any pace could work if it's sustainable. but pace is the last thing to worry
about in an ultra. |
y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 6 road condition, elevation dominates
flat trail does not work most of time
from
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: If one includes plenty of walk breaks from the beginning, completing an
: ultra run does not seem to be that out of reach. For example, starting from
: beginning, one can run 12 minutes (covering 1 mile), then walk 8 minutes (
: covering 1/2 a mile). That means 4.5 mph or 13;20 pace. At that pace, 100M
: will be just under 22 hours 15 minutes.
: I will try a 50M this way in a few weeks on a flat trail and see how it
: works.
|
m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 7 没错。肌肉崩溃，到后来走下来都费劲。
ultra就才是极限。自虐之极限
worry
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: any pace could work if it's sustainable. but pace is the last thing to worry
: about in an ultra.
|
m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 8 不能assume人可以walk for ever
from
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: If one includes plenty of walk breaks from the beginning, completing an
: ultra run does not seem to be that out of reach. For example, starting from
: beginning, one can run 12 minutes (covering 1 mile), then walk 8 minutes (
: covering 1/2 a mile). That means 4.5 mph or 13;20 pace. At that pace, 100M
: will be just under 22 hours 15 minutes.
: I will try a 50M this way in a few weeks on a flat trail and see how it
: works.
|
T*******n
发帖数: 3229 | 9 自虐, 太同意了。 已经没有enjoy, 何必勉强？
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 没错。肌肉崩溃，到后来走下来都费劲。
: ultra就才是极限。自虐之极限
:
: worry
|
c*********n
发帖数: 2120 | 10 我觉得以你的经验完成50没有问题，你的策略也很好，关键就是最开始不要太激动-:)
我50之前远就是马拉松，但我这个50是跑了30，走了剩下的，50如果不出大问题半天应
该结束了，也没有晚上的黑暗时光，不用太担心。
我觉得你得到100才能体会到你想体会的-:)
祝跑得开心顺利！
from
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: If one includes plenty of walk breaks from the beginning, completing an
: ultra run does not seem to be that out of reach. For example, starting from
: beginning, one can run 12 minutes (covering 1 mile), then walk 8 minutes (
: covering 1/2 a mile). That means 4.5 mph or 13;20 pace. At that pace, 100M
: will be just under 22 hours 15 minutes.
: I will try a 50M this way in a few weeks on a flat trail and see how it
: works.
|
|
|
L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 11 who are you talking about? we all enjoy running ultras.
【在 T*******n 的大作中提到】
: 自虐, 太同意了。 已经没有enjoy, 何必勉强？
|
w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 12 非常同意whx，以前也抱有lz一样的想法，后来试了几次trail running感觉非常困难，
就算是走，连续走30个小时不掉速度也非常困难， 长时间运动对膝盖肌肉的损伤也非
常大。
different
can
【在 L***0 的大作中提到】
: In many trail races, on certain sections you won't be able to run at 12
: minutes pace for a single mile even if you go all out. So no, it will not
: work for something like Leadville or western states.
: After 12 hours of continuous action, your body will function in a different
: mode. All of your assumptions will go out of the window. A few talented can
: do what you say. Most will not be able to. Smart pacing strategy can help
: you to, maybe finish a flat ultra in under 30 hours. But to get under 24
: hours, even on a flat trail, requires rigorous training and is in no way a
: given.
: As I often say, a 100-miler starts at mile 80 (some even say mile 90). You
|
d*********6
发帖数: 6115 | 13 任何距离，自己不尝试过，都没有资格评论难易。
Let's run. |
l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 14 I will do this during the coming Thanksgiving weekend if there is at least
one day that is not raining.
50M flat gravel trail. Goal 11 hours.
I am currently not in good running shape however. During the past year:
o Highest weekly running mileage: 25M
o Longest run: 12M
o # of runs longer than 8M: 1 |
d*********6
发帖数: 6115 | 15 准备充分点，最好家人朋友做crew支持下，期待你的report.
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: I will do this during the coming Thanksgiving weekend if there is at least
: one day that is not raining.
: 50M flat gravel trail. Goal 11 hours.
: I am currently not in good running shape however. During the past year:
: o Highest weekly running mileage: 25M
: o Longest run: 12M
: o # of runs longer than 8M: 1
|
L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 16 You may be an awesome alpine climber, but dude, with all due respect, your
chance of finishing the 50M is slim. And I said "finishing", not "finishing
under 11 hours". I would be no less than astonished if you make it in under
11 hours.
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: I will do this during the coming Thanksgiving weekend if there is at least
: one day that is not raining.
: 50M flat gravel trail. Goal 11 hours.
: I am currently not in good running shape however. During the past year:
: o Highest weekly running mileage: 25M
: o Longest run: 12M
: o # of runs longer than 8M: 1
|
w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 17 你是自己跑还是参加比赛？如果是自己跑还是循序渐进一些比较好，因为自己要准备水
，食物，应急的东西。
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: I will do this during the coming Thanksgiving weekend if there is at least
: one day that is not raining.
: 50M flat gravel trail. Goal 11 hours.
: I am currently not in good running shape however. During the past year:
: o Highest weekly running mileage: 25M
: o Longest run: 12M
: o # of runs longer than 8M: 1
|
l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 18 This is interesting. Before STP (200M bike ride from Seattle to Portland)
people predicted I would be DNF before half way since I did not have a
single ride longer than 30M. Now with 50M run, another prediction of DNF. I
probably won't make 11 hours, that I agree, but DNF is extremely unlikely.
Now that I am pumped. :)
finishing
under
【在 L***0 的大作中提到】
: You may be an awesome alpine climber, but dude, with all due respect, your
: chance of finishing the 50M is slim. And I said "finishing", not "finishing
: under 11 hours". I would be no less than astonished if you make it in under
: 11 hours.
|
w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 19 A bit of warning to you: I was hiking a lot, though not in your capacity,
and I found that there is quite a difference between hiking and running, not
the same muscle group, basically.
The distance will create unexpected reaction in your body, if not the
muscles, then the ligaments, soft tissues, etc. You may end up with a
swollen ankle or something like that even before you finished.
So run at least one really long run, say 30 miles plus a few long run around
20-22 miles before the race.
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: I will do this during the coming Thanksgiving weekend if there is at least
: one day that is not raining.
: 50M flat gravel trail. Goal 11 hours.
: I am currently not in good running shape however. During the past year:
: o Highest weekly running mileage: 25M
: o Longest run: 12M
: o # of runs longer than 8M: 1
|
w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 20 what is your time for STP? |
|
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 21 Again, I was cycling a lot, and I can tell you there is no comparison since
cycling does not have the impact on your body as running does
I
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: This is interesting. Before STP (200M bike ride from Seattle to Portland)
: people predicted I would be DNF before half way since I did not have a
: single ride longer than 30M. Now with 50M run, another prediction of DNF. I
: probably won't make 11 hours, that I agree, but DNF is extremely unlikely.
: Now that I am pumped. :)
:
: finishing
: under
|
l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 22 It's not an official race. As I said, I thought of this running strategy for
ultra run and wanted to test to see how it works.
I will run on the gravel trail which I used for long run during my last year
's marathon training. The trail is 30M+ long (with mile marker every 1/2
mile) but I will only use 7M and run back and forth. I will park my car in
the middle of the 7M stretch and leave food/water, etc. in the car. I will
only take a bottle of water during the run.
【在 w*****3 的大作中提到】
: 你是自己跑还是参加比赛？如果是自己跑还是循序渐进一些比较好，因为自己要准备水
: ，食物，应急的东西。
|
w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 23 BTW, I think you will have a good chance to finish, but you need train for
that.
If you just jump to a 50 mile two weeks later without running a 12+ miles,
then I also seriously doubt your capability to finish it before the cutoff
time |
s******p
发帖数: 819 | 24 it's 50 miles on a flat course, not a big deal, you can finish it for sure.
but u need to treat it as serious as the way you describe your stp attempt.
in the end of the day, it's your own body your are playing with. what other
say doesn't matter at all.
"I started at 5:10 and finished
at 20:30, with a total time of 15 hours 20 mins. I went extremely
conservatively and stopped at near all rest stops to eat/drink."
I
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: This is interesting. Before STP (200M bike ride from Seattle to Portland)
: people predicted I would be DNF before half way since I did not have a
: single ride longer than 30M. Now with 50M run, another prediction of DNF. I
: probably won't make 11 hours, that I agree, but DNF is extremely unlikely.
: Now that I am pumped. :)
:
: finishing
: under
|
l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 25 I am a climber but am also a runner. I know how much impact running incurs.
I think the combination of running/walking will work well since each uses a
different muscle group.
not
around
【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: A bit of warning to you: I was hiking a lot, though not in your capacity,
: and I found that there is quite a difference between hiking and running, not
: the same muscle group, basically.
: The distance will create unexpected reaction in your body, if not the
: muscles, then the ligaments, soft tissues, etc. You may end up with a
: swollen ankle or something like that even before you finished.
: So run at least one really long run, say 30 miles plus a few long run around
: 20-22 miles before the race.
|
w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 26 我以前骑山地车也曾经骑过220km+, 负重40lb+backpacking也走过30公里,前些日子跑
trail的时候过猛,结果是itbs. |
l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 27 Yes, thanks! If I feel at any point during my experient I am likely to get
injured, it will stop and take the DNF. No big deal.
.
.
other
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: it's 50 miles on a flat course, not a big deal, you can finish it for sure.
: but u need to treat it as serious as the way you describe your stp attempt.
: in the end of the day, it's your own body your are playing with. what other
: say doesn't matter at all.
: "I started at 5:10 and finished
: at 20:30, with a total time of 15 hours 20 mins. I went extremely
: conservatively and stopped at near all rest stops to eat/drink."
:
: I
|
w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 28 good strategy.
make sure you stick to your plan, and you can set the alarm for your walk
break.
so jealous of the long gravel trail.
for
year
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: It's not an official race. As I said, I thought of this running strategy for
: ultra run and wanted to test to see how it works.
: I will run on the gravel trail which I used for long run during my last year
: 's marathon training. The trail is 30M+ long (with mile marker every 1/2
: mile) but I will only use 7M and run back and forth. I will park my car in
: the middle of the 7M stretch and leave food/water, etc. in the car. I will
: only take a bottle of water during the run.
|
L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 29 great to hear that you are pumped.:) looking forward to your performance,
and good luck!
I
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: This is interesting. Before STP (200M bike ride from Seattle to Portland)
: people predicted I would be DNF before half way since I did not have a
: single ride longer than 30M. Now with 50M run, another prediction of DNF. I
: probably won't make 11 hours, that I agree, but DNF is extremely unlikely.
: Now that I am pumped. :)
:
: finishing
: under
|
T*******n
发帖数: 3229 | 30 simple, to your body, does it benefit or does it hurt?
【在 L***0 的大作中提到】
: who are you talking about? we all enjoy running ultras.
|
|
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L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 31 talk to somebody else.
【在 T*******n 的大作中提到】
: simple, to your body, does it benefit or does it hurt?
|
y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 32 walking at 16 minute per mile is not very slow and imagine it is on trail,
after at least a marathon distance
from
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: If one includes plenty of walk breaks from the beginning, completing an
: ultra run does not seem to be that out of reach. For example, starting from
: beginning, one can run 12 minutes (covering 1 mile), then walk 8 minutes (
: covering 1/2 a mile). That means 4.5 mph or 13;20 pace. At that pace, 100M
: will be just under 22 hours 15 minutes.
: I will try a 50M this way in a few weeks on a flat trail and see how it
: works.
|
y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 33 you get to understand
running is not only to make your body stronger, in a common sense.
running is just like other sports such as hiking, playing soccer, skiing,
driving, climbing, swimming, hunting...
it brings fun
who says you only expect the purpose of exercise from running?
【在 T*******n 的大作中提到】
: simple, to your body, does it benefit or does it hurt?
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 34 50M on a flat trail should be fine, if you are mentally tough.
But after that, the body became unpredictable, even walking is
painful. When someone starts the death march, it already means
he would die soon. Actually walking a marathon is much tougher
to mind than running a marathon).
50M is a good start, good luck man!
from
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: If one includes plenty of walk breaks from the beginning, completing an
: ultra run does not seem to be that out of reach. For example, starting from
: beginning, one can run 12 minutes (covering 1 mile), then walk 8 minutes (
: covering 1/2 a mile). That means 4.5 mph or 13;20 pace. At that pace, 100M
: will be just under 22 hours 15 minutes.
: I will try a 50M this way in a few weeks on a flat trail and see how it
: works.
|
w***u
发帖数: 724 | 35 顶一下楼主。如果是普通人，这绝对是bad idea.但每个人都不同，版上经常冒出天赋
禀异的人来。就象小睡袋刚出来时，大家都觉得他的训练方法crazy.可是谁想到他还真
的是talented in running.
希望楼主能成功。你说的trail是east lake Sammamish trail？
from
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: If one includes plenty of walk breaks from the beginning, completing an
: ultra run does not seem to be that out of reach. For example, starting from
: beginning, one can run 12 minutes (covering 1 mile), then walk 8 minutes (
: covering 1/2 a mile). That means 4.5 mph or 13;20 pace. At that pace, 100M
: will be just under 22 hours 15 minutes.
: I will try a 50M this way in a few weeks on a flat trail and see how it
: works.
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 36 没有天赋禀异的人，只会有训练过度的人。
【在 w***u 的大作中提到】
: 顶一下楼主。如果是普通人，这绝对是bad idea.但每个人都不同，版上经常冒出天赋
: 禀异的人来。就象小睡袋刚出来时，大家都觉得他的训练方法crazy.可是谁想到他还真
: 的是talented in running.
: 希望楼主能成功。你说的trail是east lake Sammamish trail？
:
: from
|
l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 37 Snoqualmie Valley Trail, from Duvall to North Bend. I will use the section
from Duvall to Carnation.
A little background about myself:
I have been running regularly for almost 10 years, but I usually only run 20
miles a week. I have run 4 full marathons, the last one being last year at
Seattle with finish time of 3:20.xx (made BQ but missed its new cutoff time)
.
I have been a climber for almost 10 years as well. A 18 or 20-hour day in
the mountain is quite common for me. I attemped Rainier 11 times, made it 8
times via 6 differnt routes. Once I climbed it overnight, up and down in
about 20 hours.
So my body is not totally new to this kind of effort. Of course this time I
don't have any specific training (the idea was conceived and plan was made
yesterday). I have been runing only 20 miles a week lately. But I think with
the strategy I have and (relative) short time of 11 hours to finish, it
should be very doable without too much effort. I am interested in finding it
out.
【在 w***u 的大作中提到】
: 顶一下楼主。如果是普通人，这绝对是bad idea.但每个人都不同，版上经常冒出天赋
: 禀异的人来。就象小睡袋刚出来时，大家都觉得他的训练方法crazy.可是谁想到他还真
: 的是talented in running.
: 希望楼主能成功。你说的trail是east lake Sammamish trail？
:
: from
|
b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 38 the plan looks good except for lacking of specific training, which is more
important than any plan. good luck!
20
at
time)
8
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Snoqualmie Valley Trail, from Duvall to North Bend. I will use the section
: from Duvall to Carnation.
: A little background about myself:
: I have been running regularly for almost 10 years, but I usually only run 20
: miles a week. I have run 4 full marathons, the last one being last year at
: Seattle with finish time of 3:20.xx (made BQ but missed its new cutoff time)
: .
: I have been a climber for almost 10 years as well. A 18 or 20-hour day in
: the mountain is quite common for me. I attemped Rainier 11 times, made it 8
: times via 6 differnt routes. Once I climbed it overnight, up and down in
|
r******u
发帖数: 156 | 39 看得我都想这个周末去试一下这个距离了，要冷静，唉，上次都决心不去跑太长的了
晚上跑了会彻底冷静了，不去试了，当时决定不跑太长也是考虑过的，这下不要顾虑以前说过的话了，
just for completeness |
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 40 你写中文吧。
我是这个帖子的旁观者，也没有50m的经验，但在旁观者的眼里看这个thread，觉得你
口气很凶，是来这里向变叔挑衅的，变叔好像是躺着中枪了，但我是这感觉。
20
at
time)
8
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Snoqualmie Valley Trail, from Duvall to North Bend. I will use the section
: from Duvall to Carnation.
: A little background about myself:
: I have been running regularly for almost 10 years, but I usually only run 20
: miles a week. I have run 4 full marathons, the last one being last year at
: Seattle with finish time of 3:20.xx (made BQ but missed its new cutoff time)
: .
: I have been a climber for almost 10 years as well. A 18 or 20-hour day in
: the mountain is quite common for me. I attemped Rainier 11 times, made it 8
: times via 6 differnt routes. Once I climbed it overnight, up and down in
|
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s******p
发帖数: 819 | 41 人家只是说实验实验，被大家批的呀。到时候跑下来，跑不下来都给大家是宝贵经验。
他把话撂在这里，如果他这水平如果都跑不下来，其他人更不该随便去跑５０ｍ。
再说他这水平挑变叔差远了，首先他就没勇气去报名跑正式比赛。
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 你写中文吧。
: 我是这个帖子的旁观者，也没有50m的经验，但在旁观者的眼里看这个thread，觉得你
: 口气很凶，是来这里向变叔挑衅的，变叔好像是躺着中枪了，但我是这感觉。
:
: 20
: at
: time)
: 8
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w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 42 呵呵，同感，弄的我也想试试，如果是全平的土路对肌肉关节的要求要小多了。
【在 r******u 的大作中提到】
: 看得我都想这个周末去试一下这个距离了，要冷静，唉，上次都决心不去跑太长的了
: 晚上跑了会彻底冷静了，不去试了，当时决定不跑太长也是考虑过的，这下不要顾虑以前说过的话了，
: just for completeness
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w***u
发帖数: 724 | 43 我还是不试了，但喜欢看牛人们试。
【在 w*****3 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，同感，弄的我也想试试，如果是全平的土路对肌肉关节的要求要小多了。
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w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 44 户外牛人，估计问题不大。明年我可能也会去登 rainier.
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【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Snoqualmie Valley Trail, from Duvall to North Bend. I will use the section
: from Duvall to Carnation.
: A little background about myself:
: I have been running regularly for almost 10 years, but I usually only run 20
: miles a week. I have run 4 full marathons, the last one being last year at
: Seattle with finish time of 3:20.xx (made BQ but missed its new cutoff time)
: .
: I have been a climber for almost 10 years as well. A 18 or 20-hour day in
: the mountain is quite common for me. I attemped Rainier 11 times, made it 8
: times via 6 differnt routes. Once I climbed it overnight, up and down in
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s******p
发帖数: 819 | 45 after reading your post more carefully, i can tell you that your chance of
finishing within 11 hours is very tiny. 16 hrs is more realistic for you.
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【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Snoqualmie Valley Trail, from Duvall to North Bend. I will use the section
: from Duvall to Carnation.
: A little background about myself:
: I have been running regularly for almost 10 years, but I usually only run 20
: miles a week. I have run 4 full marathons, the last one being last year at
: Seattle with finish time of 3:20.xx (made BQ but missed its new cutoff time)
: .
: I have been a climber for almost 10 years as well. A 18 or 20-hour day in
: the mountain is quite common for me. I attemped Rainier 11 times, made it 8
: times via 6 differnt routes. Once I climbed it overnight, up and down in
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w***u
发帖数: 724 | 46 中老年宅男只有仰望的份儿。。。
【在 w*****3 的大作中提到】
: 户外牛人，估计问题不大。明年我可能也会去登 rainier.
:
: 20
: at
: time)
: 8
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 47 语气问题，所以我说写中文。从第一个帖子开始，语气就看着太挑衅啦。
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: 人家只是说实验实验，被大家批的呀。到时候跑下来，跑不下来都给大家是宝贵经验。
: 他把话撂在这里，如果他这水平如果都跑不下来，其他人更不该随便去跑５０ｍ。
: 再说他这水平挑变叔差远了，首先他就没勇气去报名跑正式比赛。
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l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 48 Wrong. I don't want to challenge anyone. There is always someone who runs
faster (climbs better, or makes more money or is better looking, etc) than
me. There is also always someone who runs slower than me. There is really no
point comparing myself to any random person, or challenging anyone.
I just want to see how my body reacts to different things.
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 你写中文吧。
: 我是这个帖子的旁观者，也没有50m的经验，但在旁观者的眼里看这个thread，觉得你
: 口气很凶，是来这里向变叔挑衅的，变叔好像是躺着中枪了，但我是这感觉。
:
: 20
: at
: time)
: 8
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l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 49 没勇气? I don't get it. Why do I need to go to race for the purpose of my
experiment?
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: 人家只是说实验实验，被大家批的呀。到时候跑下来，跑不下来都给大家是宝贵经验。
: 他把话撂在这里，如果他这水平如果都跑不下来，其他人更不该随便去跑５０ｍ。
: 再说他这水平挑变叔差远了，首先他就没勇气去报名跑正式比赛。
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l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 50 Really? 16 hrs means walking the entire way. Hard to believe but... We'll
see.
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: after reading your post more carefully, i can tell you that your chance of
: finishing within 11 hours is very tiny. 16 hrs is more realistic for you.
:
: 20
: at
: time)
: 8
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 51 Good luck
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【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Snoqualmie Valley Trail, from Duvall to North Bend. I will use the section
: from Duvall to Carnation.
: A little background about myself:
: I have been running regularly for almost 10 years, but I usually only run 20
: miles a week. I have run 4 full marathons, the last one being last year at
: Seattle with finish time of 3:20.xx (made BQ but missed its new cutoff time)
: .
: I have been a climber for almost 10 years as well. A 18 or 20-hour day in
: the mountain is quite common for me. I attemped Rainier 11 times, made it 8
: times via 6 differnt routes. Once I climbed it overnight, up and down in
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s******p
发帖数: 819 | 52 obviously you are here to prove something from your nonstop reply to tell
people how tough your body is and you are attemping 50 miles with 20mpw
tranning. who the hell cares how your body react to 50 miles or whatnot. if
you are really that tough, go signup for a race to do that. or run a 50mile
first then come back to brag.
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: 没勇气? I don't get it. Why do I need to go to race for the purpose of my
: experiment?
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b**********e
发帖数: 400 | 53 I don't think larghetto was ever trying to challenge or disrespect anyone
until people started questioning his ability to finish with a sarcastic tone.
I think he was only curious about the way to run ultra. He probably had
question marks in his mind regarding whether ultra runs are so tough. That's
why he wants to experiment the way he thinks it's relatively easy to do.
Maybe he did under-estimate how hard this is since he never experienced it
before. But I wish him all the good luck and please, finish or not, report
back to us. We'll all learn from your experience. |
l*******o
发帖数: 669 | 54 Gee, this thread is heading into the direction I did not intend.
I am not here to brag about anything. As I said, there are tons of people
who run faster than me and are both physcially and mentally tougher than me.
There is nothing for me to brag about.
I had thought about doing ultra runs and seeing how they feel like. I want
to have a good stragegy. So I started this thread not only for asking
advices but also for the purpose of information sharing. The LHR training
shared on this board last year helped me tremendously in my marathon
training. I hope that the results in my upcoming experiment can also help
this board.
I described my background and my current training so that people can
interpret the results of my experiment in a meaningful way. If a random
person finishes a 50M run with the approach I intended, it does not convey
much information. People don't know if that person is running regularly at
100+ mpw or 50 or 20 or nothing at all.
I will do some ultra race eventually, and I want a good strategy that works
for me. This is just an experiment for developing such a strategy.
if
50mile
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: obviously you are here to prove something from your nonstop reply to tell
: people how tough your body is and you are attemping 50 miles with 20mpw
: tranning. who the hell cares how your body react to 50 miles or whatnot. if
: you are really that tough, go signup for a race to do that. or run a 50mile
: first then come back to brag.
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 55 加油！别忘了回来汇报一下结果！
me.
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Gee, this thread is heading into the direction I did not intend.
: I am not here to brag about anything. As I said, there are tons of people
: who run faster than me and are both physcially and mentally tougher than me.
: There is nothing for me to brag about.
: I had thought about doing ultra runs and seeing how they feel like. I want
: to have a good stragegy. So I started this thread not only for asking
: advices but also for the purpose of information sharing. The LHR training
: shared on this board last year helped me tremendously in my marathon
: training. I hope that the results in my upcoming experiment can also help
: this board.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 56 我也不知道为什么outbacker和serendip觉得你的帖子有问题。。。
我是支持你的试验的。不过我觉得训练或者说实力才是重要的，策略没你想象中那么重
要。
me.
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Gee, this thread is heading into the direction I did not intend.
: I am not here to brag about anything. As I said, there are tons of people
: who run faster than me and are both physcially and mentally tougher than me.
: There is nothing for me to brag about.
: I had thought about doing ultra runs and seeing how they feel like. I want
: to have a good stragegy. So I started this thread not only for asking
: advices but also for the purpose of information sharing. The LHR training
: shared on this board last year helped me tremendously in my marathon
: training. I hope that the results in my upcoming experiment can also help
: this board.
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w***u
发帖数: 724 | 57 加油！等报告！
me.
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Gee, this thread is heading into the direction I did not intend.
: I am not here to brag about anything. As I said, there are tons of people
: who run faster than me and are both physcially and mentally tougher than me.
: There is nothing for me to brag about.
: I had thought about doing ultra runs and seeing how they feel like. I want
: to have a good stragegy. So I started this thread not only for asking
: advices but also for the purpose of information sharing. The LHR training
: shared on this board last year helped me tremendously in my marathon
: training. I hope that the results in my upcoming experiment can also help
: this board.
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s******p
发帖数: 819 | 58 people who have completed 50 miles or longer distance have kept telling you
that your approach is not a good idea or that you need to adjust your goal.
but you keep coming back emphasizing how tough your body is. so good luck.
me.
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Gee, this thread is heading into the direction I did not intend.
: I am not here to brag about anything. As I said, there are tons of people
: who run faster than me and are both physcially and mentally tougher than me.
: There is nothing for me to brag about.
: I had thought about doing ultra runs and seeing how they feel like. I want
: to have a good stragegy. So I started this thread not only for asking
: advices but also for the purpose of information sharing. The LHR training
: shared on this board last year helped me tremendously in my marathon
: training. I hope that the results in my upcoming experiment can also help
: this board.
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s******p
发帖数: 819 | 59 他一开始上来，虽然欢喜他们有点质疑，我是很支持他的实验的。
但是他反过来不接受建议，还反复强调他以前很厉害，没训练，没准备，但是信心十足
的说１１小时搞定，鳌拜看了不爽，我也不爽了。
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 我也不知道为什么outbacker和serendip觉得你的帖子有问题。。。
: 我是支持你的试验的。不过我觉得训练或者说实力才是重要的，策略没你想象中那么重
: 要。
:
: me.
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 60 让我看得挺挠头.
我建议要准备一下support crew. 安全第一安全第一.
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: 他一开始上来，虽然欢喜他们有点质疑，我是很支持他的实验的。
: 但是他反过来不接受建议，还反复强调他以前很厉害，没训练，没准备，但是信心十足
: 的说１１小时搞定，鳌拜看了不爽，我也不爽了。
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v****a
发帖数: 389 | 61 跑步比赛都是要签“生死状”的。如果larghetto愿意答应，本次跑步试验中任何可能
发生的受伤或意外都责任自负，与跑版的鼓励无关，我会积极支持一下，勇气可嘉！
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 让我看得挺挠头.
: 我建议要准备一下support crew. 安全第一安全第一.
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 62 这个这个，我其实也觉得LZ想试验下也无妨，其实我身体条件比LZ差很多。
2年多前，我和LD一起去一个beach,回来要爬个坡，我爬到一半就不行了，
坐在地上一阵眩晕，喘了大概半个钟头才能站起来,LD倒是没啥事儿。
半年前去和LD滑雪，坐缆车到雪山顶，俺又是一阵眩晕要吐，看其他人也是
若无其事，谈笑风生。基本俺算个弱质男。
不过虽然俺这个100迈报名比较突然，但俺从去年11月到今年11月还是跑了
3000多迈，平均每周60迈+，所以不算没准备乱来. 这个月研究比赛装备
也颇花了不少功夫和银两.
总的来说，我觉得LZ好好准备下，完成50mi应该问题不大，不要太计较时间
就好了. |
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 63 Lz没有跟变叔过不去吧
他就是觉得自己身体底子不错，想试试，挑战自己
真要说他不听建议，可以说他无知者无畏更合适。 |
v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 64 姐～～替我亲一口我干儿子~~~
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: Lz没有跟变叔过不去吧
: 他就是觉得自己身体底子不错，想试试，挑战自己
: 真要说他不听建议，可以说他无知者无畏更合适。
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 65 well said
策略是建立在训练的基础上的
其实所有racing的目的都一样，就是尽快跑完某个距离。
而这个能不能完成，或者多快能完成，就是看训练了
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 我也不知道为什么outbacker和serendip觉得你的帖子有问题。。。
: 我是支持你的试验的。不过我觉得训练或者说实力才是重要的，策略没你想象中那么重
: 要。
:
: me.
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 66 慢慢去试一试吧！我支持你。完了写个详细的报告贴上来。
me.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Gee, this thread is heading into the direction I did not intend.
: I am not here to brag about anything. As I said, there are tons of people
: who run faster than me and are both physcially and mentally tougher than me.
: There is nothing for me to brag about.
: I had thought about doing ultra runs and seeing how they feel like. I want
: to have a good stragegy. So I started this thread not only for asking
: advices but also for the purpose of information sharing. The LHR training
: shared on this board last year helped me tremendously in my marathon
: training. I hope that the results in my upcoming experiment can also help
: this board.
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 67 我第一次马拉松之前也觉得自己很不含糊，没训练也能跑好。
结果关节一疼还跑个屁啊，能坚持走完就不错了。
还只是马拉松，公路上的
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: 他一开始上来，虽然欢喜他们有点质疑，我是很支持他的实验的。
: 但是他反过来不接受建议，还反复强调他以前很厉害，没训练，没准备，但是信心十足
: 的说１１小时搞定，鳌拜看了不爽，我也不爽了。
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 68 请你和鳌拜都稍安勿躁！要多鼓励新(ultra)人。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
【在 s******p 的大作中提到】
: 他一开始上来，虽然欢喜他们有点质疑，我是很支持他的实验的。
: 但是他反过来不接受建议，还反复强调他以前很厉害，没训练，没准备，但是信心十足
: 的说１１小时搞定，鳌拜看了不爽，我也不爽了。
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 69 哦？Y哥的首马也是走下来的？这是对我莫大的安慰呀！;-)
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: 我第一次马拉松之前也觉得自己很不含糊，没训练也能跑好。
: 结果关节一疼还跑个屁啊，能坚持走完就不错了。
: 还只是马拉松，公路上的
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 70 我记得王欢喜的首马更惨。
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 哦？Y哥的首马也是走下来的？这是对我莫大的安慰呀！;-)
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 71 我的首马是4个小时，从17迈就开始走
你轻松beat我 :)
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 哦？Y哥的首马也是走下来的？这是对我莫大的安慰呀！;-)
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
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T*******n
发帖数: 3229 | 72 I got your point of view, thanks for sharing.
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: you get to understand
: running is not only to make your body stronger, in a common sense.
: running is just like other sports such as hiking, playing soccer, skiing,
: driving, climbing, swimming, hunting...
: it brings fun
: who says you only expect the purpose of exercise from running?
:
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 73 他的首马course确实很难，就是我每周跑的这个，哈哈
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 我记得王欢喜的首马更惨。
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 74 厉害。难怪你现在快成板上top 5了
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: 他的首马course确实很难，就是我每周跑的这个，哈哈
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 75 我首马17迈ITBS发作，喷了点药后忍痛跑完...3:46
【在 T*******n 的大作中提到】
: I got your point of view, thanks for sharing.
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T*******n
发帖数: 3229 | 76 果然是战神，敬仰
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 我首马17迈ITBS发作，喷了点药后忍痛跑完...3:46
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 77 我是这次扭腰和tony小龙亲密接触，才搞清楚ITBS到底是啥毛病
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 我首马17迈ITBS发作，喷了点药后忍痛跑完...3:46
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T*******n
发帖数: 3229 | 78 sure, gentleman's sport, may not for everybody.
【在 L***0 的大作中提到】
: talk to somebody else.
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 79 年龄组都够戗吧
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 厉害。难怪你现在快成板上top 5了
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x******9
发帖数: 1866 | 80 我咋仔细阅读了这一段觉得楼主11个小时完成没问题呀。larghetto体质很棒嘛，你行
的。
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【在 l*******o 的大作中提到】
: Snoqualmie Valley Trail, from Duvall to North Bend. I will use the section
: from Duvall to Carnation.
: A little background about myself:
: I have been running regularly for almost 10 years, but I usually only run 20
: miles a week. I have run 4 full marathons, the last one being last year at
: Seattle with finish time of 3:20.xx (made BQ but missed its new cutoff time)
: .
: I have been a climber for almost 10 years as well. A 18 or 20-hour day in
: the mountain is quite common for me. I attemped Rainier 11 times, made it 8
: times via 6 differnt routes. Once I climbed it overnight, up and down in
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w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 81 什么药?
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 我首马17迈ITBS发作，喷了点药后忍痛跑完...3:46
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 82 不知道，感觉冰冷的喷雾...
【在 w*****3 的大作中提到】
: 什么药?
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 83 亲！明年二月来亲自亲？！
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 姐～～替我亲一口我干儿子~~~
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 84 你查不查gmail信箱呢，纠结的问。。。
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 亲！明年二月来亲自亲？！
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 85 心理安慰？我觉得也就缓解肌肉酸痛吧
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 不知道，感觉冰冷的喷雾...
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 86 哎呀！我俩首马时间一样哦！握手！
（看来我还是有前途的。）
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 我首马17迈ITBS发作，喷了点药后忍痛跑完...3:46
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 87 你前途是大大的啊！
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 哎呀！我俩首马时间一样哦！握手！
: （看来我还是有前途的。）
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 88 收到了收到了
你对干儿子太好了！
我手机收，经常忘回信
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 你查不查gmail信箱呢，纠结的问。。。
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 89 收到就好！
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 收到了收到了
: 你对干儿子太好了！
: 我手机收，经常忘回信
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 90 有大礼吗？把我的俩女儿也收了吧。
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 收到就好！
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 91 你明年bq，必须的
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 哎呀！我俩首马时间一样哦！握手！
: （看来我还是有前途的。）
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: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
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v***l
发帖数: 2623 | 92 你舍得啊？
来，两个小美女先让我亲一口~~~
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 有大礼吗？把我的俩女儿也收了吧。
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 93 先要大礼才行的。
【在 v***l 的大作中提到】
: 你舍得啊？
: 来，两个小美女先让我亲一口~~~
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