D**N
发帖数: 1440 | | b*****l
发帖数: 230 | 2 I respect you, but I disagree with your statement (I think somewhere I
posted something that disagree with your statement). You have to agree that
the medical field does not fully understand what causes depression (for
those interested, you can watch "Happy Valley," and some vague statement
about neuro-transmitter is not that satisfying), so take medicine is not a
long-term good strategy at all, from my point of view.
【在 D**N 的大作中提到】
: 很多人以为解决抑郁是聊聊天想开了就行的事，事实没那么简单，很多时候看医生是必
: 须的，吃药也是必须的。
: To think by feeling的思维方式，后半部分是抑郁症的成因和治疗的生理学理解
: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/brain/episode4/index.html
: 4部分下载完毕至同一目录后，用第5个链接下载整合软件。运行整合成完整文件
: http://www.mediafire.com/?ctr2bmm5mm5
: http://www.mediafire.com/?ecdllw14em3
: http://www.mediafire.com/?a4xcw2vmah3
: http://www.mediafire.com/?7zemzc59ayt
: http://www.mediafire.com/?8h3d2dgmcl1
| b*****l
发帖数: 230 | 3 Well, to be fair, I have to say that the medical field is far from being
close to understanding what causes depression.Most anti-depressants are for
profit (sometimes, I can say for-profit only). Anyone who had experience
with psychiatrists or clinical psychologists can share your experience with
us. From what I read, most would say they only add salt to wounds because
they don't care you as a thinking individual, but biologically responsive
animal. Once you add some ingredient to your body, it
【在 b*****l 的大作中提到】
: I respect you, but I disagree with your statement (I think somewhere I
: posted something that disagree with your statement). You have to agree that
: the medical field does not fully understand what causes depression (for
: those interested, you can watch "Happy Valley," and some vague statement
: about neuro-transmitter is not that satisfying), so take medicine is not a
: long-term good strategy at all, from my point of view.
| D**N
发帖数: 1440 | 4 多谢，同意不同意我的观点，以及对我个人尊敬与否，是无所谓的。只要认真思考这方
面的问题，不管结果如何。
我相信最好的办法是药物和谈话治疗一起进行，就象这个片子里讲的那样。
上百万的抑郁症患者服用抗抑郁药物，我个人也看到朋友服药后消除了很多自我摧毁的
想法，部分摆脱低落的情绪，开始有能力比较客观地观察世界、体验自身的感受。抑郁
症患者常常会完全被黑暗的情绪淹没，在自责里痛苦不堪，去读书、交往、旅游，包括
所谓的“想开点”都是不能完成的。
而且，我个人对从古书古训，特别是儒家典籍，里面寻求出路不抱太多希望。尽管“一
切贤圣，皆以无为法而有差别”，但是两千年下来，中国人有多少可以完全理解孔子老
子的初衷？我非常赞同gesund关于对身体和潜意识的洞察力的观点。看书和思辨得来的
智慧，都在本真的自我和本真的外部世界之间建筑一个更加厚重的自我(ego)，很多时
候，consciousness is the illusion. 越是聪明的人，越依赖这些智慧并以此为荣，
阻碍了真正的智慧，这就是佛家说的“所知障”。
抑郁症虽然痛苦，但也是一个非常难得的机会和财富。不要着急把它一脚踢开，不要因
为得了
【在 b*****l 的大作中提到】
: I respect you, but I disagree with your statement (I think somewhere I
: posted something that disagree with your statement). You have to agree that
: the medical field does not fully understand what causes depression (for
: those interested, you can watch "Happy Valley," and some vague statement
: about neuro-transmitter is not that satisfying), so take medicine is not a
: long-term good strategy at all, from my point of view.
| b*****l
发帖数: 230 | 5 Major depression will disappear within six months, regardless taking
medicine or not. Many times, taking placebo can have similar effect as
taking Prozac. My biggest concern is that a lot big Pharm companies lobby
FDA or congress to get their license approved for pills that are arguably
effective. The problem here, medical experts are not sure how these pills
works and why. Simple treatment and control group method is not that
convincing at all.
【在 D**N 的大作中提到】
: 多谢，同意不同意我的观点，以及对我个人尊敬与否，是无所谓的。只要认真思考这方
: 面的问题，不管结果如何。
: 我相信最好的办法是药物和谈话治疗一起进行，就象这个片子里讲的那样。
: 上百万的抑郁症患者服用抗抑郁药物，我个人也看到朋友服药后消除了很多自我摧毁的
: 想法，部分摆脱低落的情绪，开始有能力比较客观地观察世界、体验自身的感受。抑郁
: 症患者常常会完全被黑暗的情绪淹没，在自责里痛苦不堪，去读书、交往、旅游，包括
: 所谓的“想开点”都是不能完成的。
: 而且，我个人对从古书古训，特别是儒家典籍，里面寻求出路不抱太多希望。尽管“一
: 切贤圣，皆以无为法而有差别”，但是两千年下来，中国人有多少可以完全理解孔子老
: 子的初衷？我非常赞同gesund关于对身体和潜意识的洞察力的观点。看书和思辨得来的
| D**N
发帖数: 1440 | 6 Why do you have that "biggest concern"? Are you against any Pharmaceutical
company selling certain anti-depressants? Or you had some unpleasant
personal experiences with psychiatrists? You've found many "literature" and
"facts" to support your opinion, what's the real reason deep down in your
mind to have you spend time and efforts doing related research? Can you talk
about it? We can share our experience.
My biggest concern is that a lot big Pharm companies lobby
【在 b*****l 的大作中提到】
: Major depression will disappear within six months, regardless taking
: medicine or not. Many times, taking placebo can have similar effect as
: taking Prozac. My biggest concern is that a lot big Pharm companies lobby
: FDA or congress to get their license approved for pills that are arguably
: effective. The problem here, medical experts are not sure how these pills
: works and why. Simple treatment and control group method is not that
: convincing at all.
| g****d
发帖数: 3461 | 7 还是想引荣格
"Zum licht geh?rt der Schatten,
zum Guten geh?rt das B?se un umgekehrt."
To light belongs the shadow,
to good belongs the evil and vice versa.
如果始终从二元化的角度来看，始终都会有喜欢的和不喜欢的。
如果拥抱一端而逃避另一端，发而会恶性循环，无始无终。
却不知解决的办法是两端一起放弃。
【在 D**N 的大作中提到】
: Why do you have that "biggest concern"? Are you against any Pharmaceutical
: company selling certain anti-depressants? Or you had some unpleasant
: personal experiences with psychiatrists? You've found many "literature" and
: "facts" to support your opinion, what's the real reason deep down in your
: mind to have you spend time and efforts doing related research? Can you talk
: about it? We can share our experience.
:
: My biggest concern is that a lot big Pharm companies lobby
| l***s
发帖数: 263 | 8 恩，都放弃很难，不过至少都淡薄一点也好
【在 g****d 的大作中提到】
: 还是想引荣格
: "Zum licht geh?rt der Schatten,
: zum Guten geh?rt das B?se un umgekehrt."
: To light belongs the shadow,
: to good belongs the evil and vice versa.
: 如果始终从二元化的角度来看，始终都会有喜欢的和不喜欢的。
: 如果拥抱一端而逃避另一端，发而会恶性循环，无始无终。
: 却不知解决的办法是两端一起放弃。
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