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发信人: neuralnet (neuralnet), 信区: Military
标 题: Google表示spying is 'the nature of our society‘
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 16 16:28:40 2013, 美东)
当初Google滚出中国的时候多少老将如丧考妣，还去Google中国门口献花，现在看老将
是多么地贱。
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/13/eric-schmidt-googl
Google's Eric Schmidt says government spying is 'the nature of our society'
谷歌董事长艾瑞克·施密特近日表示，政府监控已经是当今社会生活的一部分，而他最
担心的是互联网的分裂。
“棱镜门”事件爆发后，斯诺登爆了很多料，大家都在谈论美国政府的间谍活动—
—不论是针对外国和还是针对美国的——以及这些监控行为意味着什么。而谷歌董事长
艾瑞克·施密特近日表示，这不算什么，这已经是我们社会生活的一部分了。
在“新美国基金会”主持的一次活动中，施密特认为谈谈政府的所作所为很有益处
。但对于政府的所作所为到底是好是坏，他说自己没资格评论。英国《卫报》报道说：
间谍活动已经持续很多年了，监控活动也有很多年了，我不会对此评论，这是我们
社会的本质。
在间谍和监控活动持续很长时间这一点上，他肯定是正确的。从另一个角度说，谷
歌就是建立在（双方同意的）监控的基础上的。但这并不意味着施密特不对其他方面表
示担心。只不过不在监控上面罢了。
公开（“棱镜门”）事件所有信息带来的真正威胁是其他国家开始认真地对待加密
问题——我们统称“割据”——这会导致互联网的分裂，互联网将成为每个国家的互联
网。这是很坏的事情，这将破坏因特网的工作方式，我想这是我所担心的。
这种担心不无道理。最终归结到，问题是NSA的所作所为，还是针对这件事的各种
议论。但这两方面的问题都不会很快解决。
Eric Schmidt, the executive chairman of Google, reiterated the tech industry
's call for greater transparency from the US government over surveillance on
Friday, but declined to "pass judgment" on American spying operations.
Speaking in New York, at an event hosted by the New America Foundation,
Schmidt said it was time for a public debate about the nature of the
surveillance activities carried out by the National Security Agency (NSA).
But he also said that spying was a fact of modern life.
"There's been spying for years, there's been surveillance for years, and so
forth, I'm not going to pass judgement on that, it's the nature of our
society," he said.
With the other major technology companies, Google has been pressing the US
government to be more open about the surveillance orders issued by the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which is also known as the Fisa
court. He pointed out that Google has filed legal briefs to force the Fisa
court to disclose more information.
Schmidt said his comments were based on the presumption that documents
disclosed by the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden were "roughly accurate".
Among the revelations from those documents were that the NSA operates a
program called Prism, which internal agency documents claimed offered "
direct access" to the servers of big tech firms including Google. Schmidt
repeated the company's denial of this characterisation.
But he said it was legitimate to have a debate about how the NSA carried out
its surveillance. He said: "We all have to look at ourselves and say: 'Is
this what we want?'"
Schmidt, who has been at Google since 2001, was speaking to Anne-Marie
Slaughter, the president of the New America Foundation, in a discussion.
Schmidt said he believed most Americans were in favor of the NSA working to
protect US citizens, but were also in favor of protections against
government misuse of their data. He also expressed concern that the
publicity surrounding Snowden's disclosures would lead to the internet
becoming less global, as individual countries attempted to enact greater
protections for their citizens.
"The real danger [from] the publicity about all of this is that other
countries will begin to put very serious encryption – we use the term '
balkanization' in general – to essentially split the internet and that the
internet's going to be much more country specific," Schmidt said. "That
would be a very bad thing, it would really break the way the internet works,
and I think that's what I worry about. There's been spying for years, there
's been surveillance for years, and so forth, I'm not going to pass judgment
on that, it's the nature of our society."
Schmidt also spoke about innovation and the impact of new technologies on US
society, dismissing criticisms by observers such as Evgeny Morozov, the
Belarusian author of The Net Delusion, who are skeptical of claims that the
internet will lead to greater democratization.
"He is a unique critic in that he is the only one making those arguments,"
Schmidt said, though he later added the Wikileaks founder, Julian Assange,
to the list. | l*x
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【在 a*****y 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: neuralnet (neuralnet), 信区: Military
: 标 题: Google表示spying is 'the nature of our society‘
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 16 16:28:40 2013, 美东)
: 当初Google滚出中国的时候多少老将如丧考妣，还去Google中国门口献花，现在看老将
: 是多么地贱。
: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/13/eric-schmidt-googl
: Google's Eric Schmidt says government spying is 'the nature of our society'
: 谷歌董事长艾瑞克·施密特近日表示，政府监控已经是当今社会生活的一部分，而他最
: 担心的是互联网的分裂。
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