z**l
发帖数: 536 | 1 二战以来：
1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
2.积极赔款；
3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
世界大战要是真打起来，一定又是德国佬起的头。 | g***e
发帖数: 5292 | | c******o
发帖数: 4751 | 3 人家不打仗了，目的一样达到了，还是欧盟领袖阿，人家也不炒房地产，人家也不炒股
票，就造机器阿什么的。
中国越生产，美国越借钱消费，最后都要买更多生产工具，最最后钱让德国人赚去了很
多。
军备人家也不烧那份钱，利比亚之类的烂摊子人家也不跟着凑合 | g*******d
发帖数: 5873 | 4 不过这个欧盟领袖当的也挺惨
一堆国家等他出钱救济
【在 c******o 的大作中提到】
: 人家不打仗了，目的一样达到了，还是欧盟领袖阿，人家也不炒房地产，人家也不炒股
: 票，就造机器阿什么的。
: 中国越生产，美国越借钱消费，最后都要买更多生产工具，最最后钱让德国人赚去了很
: 多。
: 军备人家也不烧那份钱，利比亚之类的烂摊子人家也不跟着凑合
| c******o
发帖数: 4751 | 5 如果就他一个人，经济搞的再好，也没有话语权，如果欧盟搞的象个样子，就能跟美国
抗衡了。
可惜小弟们不争气，美帝又狡猾狡猾地，最近也搞的一塌糊涂，看能不能挺过来了。
【在 g*******d 的大作中提到】
: 不过这个欧盟领袖当的也挺惨
: 一堆国家等他出钱救济
| A****0
发帖数: 12393 | 6 领个屁袖
国内驻军
欧元被狙击
政治上听老法的
英国也不尿它
【在 c******o 的大作中提到】
: 人家不打仗了，目的一样达到了，还是欧盟领袖阿，人家也不炒房地产，人家也不炒股
: 票，就造机器阿什么的。
: 中国越生产，美国越借钱消费，最后都要买更多生产工具，最最后钱让德国人赚去了很
: 多。
: 军备人家也不烧那份钱，利比亚之类的烂摊子人家也不跟着凑合
| c**i
发帖数: 13113 | 7 上个网还经过层层审批
【在 A****0 的大作中提到】
: 领个屁袖
: 国内驻军
: 欧元被狙击
: 政治上听老法的
: 英国也不尿它
| l*******t
发帖数: 1430 | | z**l
发帖数: 536 | 9 所以人家在暗地里偷着乐啊。
【在 l*******t 的大作中提到】
: 没TG是不是美帝早拿他下手了？
| z**l
发帖数: 536 | 10 那个已经被揭露是值五毛的谎言。
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: 上个网还经过层层审批
| | | z**l
发帖数: 536 | 11 时候未到啊。这表象才是韬光养晦的真谛。
【在 A****0 的大作中提到】
: 领个屁袖
: 国内驻军
: 欧元被狙击
: 政治上听老法的
: 英国也不尿它
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | | s*m
发帖数: 1896 | 13 你要是象德国那样让老米在自己国土上开几十个军事基地加驻军，也不会有人烤你了。
。。
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 二战以来：
: 1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
: 2.积极赔款；
: 3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
: 4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
: 5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
: 6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
: 7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
: 所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
: 韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
| p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 14 TG很韬光养晦了，才帝坚持闷声大发财，和帝8棍子打不出闷屁
可是TG先天是共产主义（虽然事实上不是），有邪恶印记，再低调也像黑暗中的淫火虫。
【在 g***e 的大作中提到】
: 土共该跟德国学一学
| s*m
发帖数: 1896 | 15 共产印记就像脑门儿上一大刺青：tg其实老早就金盆洗手了，但人一看你脑门儿还是认
为你邪恶。。。
虫。
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: TG很韬光养晦了，才帝坚持闷声大发财，和帝8棍子打不出闷屁
: 可是TG先天是共产主义（虽然事实上不是），有邪恶印记，再低调也像黑暗中的淫火虫。
| l*******t
发帖数: 1430 | 16
虫。
还缺几步TG就可以自己扯大旗了，RMB变结算货币，3个以上航母编队，GDP赶超美国。
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: TG很韬光养晦了，才帝坚持闷声大发财，和帝8棍子打不出闷屁
: 可是TG先天是共产主义（虽然事实上不是），有邪恶印记，再低调也像黑暗中的淫火虫。
| p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 17 这样可以初步成为地区小霸，不过环境很艰难啊，被美帝围得死死的。
【在 l*******t 的大作中提到】
:
: 虫。
: 还缺几步TG就可以自己扯大旗了，RMB变结算货币，3个以上航母编队，GDP赶超美国。
| b*w
发帖数: 14917 | 18 德国把犹太人得罪了,除非犹太人死光,否则德国没戏 | z**l
发帖数: 536 | 19 这跟勾践还是没得比，人家那可是连大便都可以尝，驻军更不在话下。
日本够怂了，老美照样逼它签城下之盟搞垮它的经济。
【在 s*m 的大作中提到】
: 你要是象德国那样让老米在自己国土上开几十个军事基地加驻军，也不会有人烤你了。
: 。。
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 20 主要还是怕毛子吧？不得不投靠美帝。
欧洲国家普遍反犹。法国反犹也很厉害。
【在 b*w 的大作中提到】
: 德国把犹太人得罪了,除非犹太人死光,否则德国没戏
| | | r*****s
发帖数: 184 | | p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 22 德国要是和毛子联手，应该可以天下无敌了。统一欧亚非问题不大。
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 主要还是怕毛子吧？不得不投靠美帝。
: 欧洲国家普遍反犹。法国反犹也很厉害。
| i**n
发帖数: 1436 | 23 德国这辈子就不用再想什么称霸了
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 这样可以初步成为地区小霸，不过环境很艰难啊，被美帝围得死死的。
| p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 24 就是欧盟里的打工仔了
【在 i**n 的大作中提到】
: 德国这辈子就不用再想什么称霸了
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 25 中日联手也可以称霸太平洋了。可能吗？
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 德国要是和毛子联手，应该可以天下无敌了。统一欧亚非问题不大。
| M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 26 德国这个怎么叫做洋灰呢。
德国的民族主义已经彻底摧毁了。
要说洋灰，日本可以算。 | z**l
发帖数: 536 | 27 一战以后二战以前德国也是被围得死死的，没妨碍它发动第二次世界大战。
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 这样可以初步成为地区小霸，不过环境很艰难啊，被美帝围得死死的。
| a***s
发帖数: 5417 | 28 欧盟扩张就是美国的诡计。原来的十五国不好搞，就塞些小烂国进去，
然后让小烂国拼命借债过好日子，最后以此为突破口把欧元整垮。
【在 c******o 的大作中提到】
: 如果就他一个人，经济搞的再好，也没有话语权，如果欧盟搞的象个样子，就能跟美国
: 抗衡了。
: 可惜小弟们不争气，美帝又狡猾狡猾地，最近也搞的一塌糊涂，看能不能挺过来了。
| t*****9
发帖数: 10416 | 29 让德国鬼子在天朝民工面前 瑟瑟发抖吧 ~~~~~~~~~lol | p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 30 那时候，欧美列强指望德国打苏联，当炮灰，所以对德国有些纵容
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 一战以后二战以前德国也是被围得死死的，没妨碍它发动第二次世界大战。
| | | c******o
发帖数: 4751 | 31 我是这种阴谋论的坚决相信派，我看就是你说的这么一回事
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: 欧盟扩张就是美国的诡计。原来的十五国不好搞，就塞些小烂国进去，
: 然后让小烂国拼命借债过好日子，最后以此为突破口把欧元整垮。
| j********e
发帖数: 30 | 32 德国没老将想的那么牛b,也没有小将想的那么傻b.
不管美国的假洋鬼子怎么想,德国还是走着自己的路,保守而顽固,人均收入没有美日高,
但整个德语区的实力在全球都是翘楚.
而且估计老德最期望的事情就是卖武器给中国,最好连技术都送,让中国的愤青跟日本皇军,美国的红脖互掐到死,世界又是欧洲的了. | m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 33 有没有共产主义印记完全不重要，关键是你愿不愿意听话当孙子。俄罗斯顶个民主自由
的资本主义印记不照样被当敌人吗？沙特封建王朝不照样受美国保护吗？萨达姆或宾拉
登二三十年前把美国当爷爷的时候不照样受美国喜欢吗？
虫。
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: TG很韬光养晦了，才帝坚持闷声大发财，和帝8棍子打不出闷屁
: 可是TG先天是共产主义（虽然事实上不是），有邪恶印记，再低调也像黑暗中的淫火虫。
| R********n
发帖数: 5904 | 34 德国能有什么武器，美帝哪会容忍it发展武器？德国就是另一个日本式半殖民地，牢牢
攥在美帝和CIA手上。
高,
皇军,美国的红脖互掐到死,世界又是欧洲的了.
【在 j********e 的大作中提到】
: 德国没老将想的那么牛b,也没有小将想的那么傻b.
: 不管美国的假洋鬼子怎么想,德国还是走着自己的路,保守而顽固,人均收入没有美日高,
: 但整个德语区的实力在全球都是翘楚.
: 而且估计老德最期望的事情就是卖武器给中国,最好连技术都送,让中国的愤青跟日本皇军,美国的红脖互掐到死,世界又是欧洲的了.
| z**l
发帖数: 536 | 35 历史经常会重演的。
兄台这名字可真隐晦。也是一大高手。
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 那时候，欧美列强指望德国打苏联，当炮灰，所以对德国有些纵容
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 36 德国回复了
只是监察，纳粹和色情网站
那个厦门副市长尴尬了
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: 上个网还经过层层审批
| w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 37 只是纳粹和色情网站, 这不是和TG一样的借口吗.
【在 d******5 的大作中提到】
: 德国回复了
: 只是监察，纳粹和色情网站
: 那个厦门副市长尴尬了
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 38 毛子灭德国人？
如果毛子能统一全世界的话，德国人会是最后一个投强的
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 不养灰行吗？
: 边上老毛子，说灭你就灭你。
| j******l
发帖数: 10445 | 39 应该让德国人和犹太人打一仗，决定谁来领导世界未来。
你们不都宣称自己是天下最牛吗？ | d******5
发帖数: 440 | 40 你就做梦吧。
rmb能在东南亚吃开，tg就谢天谢地了
【在 l*******t 的大作中提到】
:
: 虫。
: 还缺几步TG就可以自己扯大旗了，RMB变结算货币，3个以上航母编队，GDP赶超美国。
| | | z**l
发帖数: 536 | 41 干过一次狠的，德国人败了。
【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: 应该让德国人和犹太人打一仗，决定谁来领导世界未来。
: 你们不都宣称自己是天下最牛吗？
| p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 42 我低调
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 历史经常会重演的。
: 兄台这名字可真隐晦。也是一大高手。
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 43 毛子就是白眼狼，谁跟它合作，谁就要倒大霉
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 德国要是和毛子联手，应该可以天下无敌了。统一欧亚非问题不大。
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 44 你这么说倒是有点道理
就像立陶宛，虽然立陶宛不用欧元，但是利特（Lt，立陶宛的货币）和欧元挂钩，汇率
保持一定。其实和欧元差不多，但是立陶宛这块可穷了。
基本都是靠欧盟的经济资助活。并且自己底子有不干净，俄罗斯对其有很大的影响力。
尤其是能源发面，立陶宛的电力主要依赖俄罗斯
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: 欧盟扩张就是美国的诡计。原来的十五国不好搞，就塞些小烂国进去，
: 然后让小烂国拼命借债过好日子，最后以此为突破口把欧元整垮。
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 45 德国这计策狗长的了
哈哈
还说德国不nb？
高,
皇军,美国的红脖互掐到死,世界又是欧洲的了.
【在 j********e 的大作中提到】
: 德国没老将想的那么牛b,也没有小将想的那么傻b.
: 不管美国的假洋鬼子怎么想,德国还是走着自己的路,保守而顽固,人均收入没有美日高,
: 但整个德语区的实力在全球都是翘楚.
: 而且估计老德最期望的事情就是卖武器给中国,最好连技术都送,让中国的愤青跟日本皇军,美国的红脖互掐到死,世界又是欧洲的了.
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 46 德国是没有太nb的武器，但是德国的技术都是中国需要的
你看他们的自动机床。
中国要是有了那技术，再加上咱们的生产能力，咱们就不用再卖玩具了
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: 德国能有什么武器，美帝哪会容忍it发展武器？德国就是另一个日本式半殖民地，牢牢
: 攥在美帝和CIA手上。
:
: 高,
: 皇军,美国的红脖互掐到死,世界又是欧洲的了.
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 47 必须是犹太人胜出啊
犹太人多有眼光啊
耶稣刚出到时，身边的跟随者都是犹太人，看这眼光～～
【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: 应该让德国人和犹太人打一仗，决定谁来领导世界未来。
: 你们不都宣称自己是天下最牛吗？
| p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 48 就是假设啊
以德国的科学技术，军事素养，加上毛子的人口，资源和生产能力，那是天下无敌的，
也就是美洲远一点，可能打不到，其它地方，完全可以轻松征服。
【在 d******5 的大作中提到】
: 毛子就是白眼狼，谁跟它合作，谁就要倒大霉
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 49 它俩离得太近了，不可能成为盟友。
远交近攻
假设：
和中国同盟。。。
德国的技术
中国的人口。。。。
怎么样？不必毛子强多了？
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 就是假设啊
: 以德国的科学技术，军事素养，加上毛子的人口，资源和生产能力，那是天下无敌的，
: 也就是美洲远一点，可能打不到，其它地方，完全可以轻松征服。
| p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 50 那时候的中国太弱了
【在 d******5 的大作中提到】
: 它俩离得太近了，不可能成为盟友。
: 远交近攻
: 假设：
: 和中国同盟。。。
: 德国的技术
: 中国的人口。。。。
: 怎么样？不必毛子强多了？
| | | G******d
发帖数: 364 | 51 it is true.
Hans-Peter Richter 2007, August
(German Peace Council)
Foreign Military Bases in Germany
Today there are 72 locations in Germany used by the US military Forces and
about 68,000 soldiers. The British Forces use 5 locations and have 25,000
soldiers in Germany. In the summer of this year about 8,500 soldiers will be
withdrawn from Germany and three basses will be given up. All this soldiers
have their home base in Germany. At no time all this soldiers are in
Germany, because always some military units are at war. In this case they
transport all their weapons to the war theatre. After their turn is over
they return to Germany with all their weapons and another unit moves in (
rotation system). In this summer there will be more rotations than before
and it is possible that some units don't come back. But only in seldom cases
they return to the USA, more likely they get their next home base in
another country.
Only few cuts
In August 2004 US-president George Bush announced a reduction of the armed
forces stationed abroad. (1) Thus funds are to be saved, which can be put
then into the weapon modernization, in order to increase the rapid
intervention ability of the armed forces.
In accordance with the announcement of Bush approximately 45,000 GIs are to
be taken off from Europe starting from 2006. But in 2005 it turned out that
this affects only 6,100 Soldiers in Germany, additional 11,000 family
members and about 1,000 Department of Army civilian and 1,000 host nation
positions. (9) The Department of Defense announced July 29 plans for the
return of 11 Army bases to Germany in Fiscal 2007. These installation
returns are scheduled as part of plans for the 1st Infantry Division
headquarters return to the United States in the summer of 2006 (16). But now
in 2007 there will be more cuts and rotation (18).
A new Stryker Combat Brigade
Because the transport of heavy tanks is difficult the Pentagon plans to
develop a smaller tank, which could be transported easier by air. This is
the "Stryker". A Stryker Cavalry Combat Brigade is now in Vilseck, Germany,
near the Army's premier training facility in Grafenwöhr, Germany. In
August 2007 it moved with all their tanks into Iraq for 15 month.
Germany plays a key role
If you compare the US military bases outside the USA you will see that
Germany today has more US-bases and more US-soldiers (68,000), than any
other country except Iraq and Afghanistan. So you can say Germany is still
an occupied country; the US troops and the British never left Germany since
1945.
More than 60% of the US troops in Europe are stationed in Germany. In
Germany Ramstein is the biggest US-airbase outside the USA. Grafenwoehr is
the biggest army training area outside the USA. The current war against Iraq
showed again the strategic importance of the German bases for the logistic,
bringing the supply to the gulf from Ramstein and starting the fighter jets
from Spangdahlen. Both the bases were enlarged. Just recently the runway of
Spangdahlem was repaired for 2.8 millions Euro and now since the first of
August the bombers start from here to Iraq and Afghanistan. And still
Spangdahlem will be enlarged furthermore. The US Airforce pays another 250
million Dollars for new housing facilities, a PX-supermarket, a commissary,
school, kindergarten, control tower, fitness-centre, hospital, book store,
gas-station, etc. So their soldiers and their families live in a sort of US-
ghetto in the midst of Germany.(24)
Air Force Gen. Charles F. Wald, deputy of General Jones (EUCOM), interviewed
by the Air Force’s internal information news service in August 2003, said,
“Ramstein was critical to the success of the Operation Enduring Freedom
and Operation Iraqi Freedom missions. A lot of airlift aircraft landed at
Ramstein” which “has significant infrastructure, and we have a great
relationship with the Germans. It makes a lot of sense to keep places like
Ramstein and Spangdahlem and Moron [AB], Spain, open because they have large
ramps that can handle large numbers of aircraft.” “One of the things we
like about Ramstein, for example, is the footprint of one strategic flight
without refueling for an airlifter,” Wald said. “You can take off from the
States, no refueling, [and] land at Ramstein.”
But Ramstein is not only a big air hub it is the place of the command bunker
of the Warfighting
Headquarters. When US-president Bush visited Albania on June 10th, the
Warfighting Headquarters in
Ramstein provided the security. (19)
Hereby were engaged:
- 43 military planes
- the landing craft "US Bataan" with several thousands marines
- more than 800 airmen of the USAFE :
- F-16 pilots from the Aviano Airbase in Italy
- F-15C fighter jets from the RAF airfield in Lakenheath (England)
- Refuelling-planes of the 100th air-refuelling-squadron of the RAF airfield
in Mildenhall (England)
- 1 AWACS-plane (E-3 Sentry) from the Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma (USA)
(AWACS = Airborne Warning and Control System).
This military action was planned before. 2000 participants trained this in
the Warrior Preparation Center
in Einsiedlerhof (part of Kaiserslautern). This centre for virtual war games
is managed together by the US
Army in Europe and the US Air Force in Europe (20).
In Ramstein all the radar dates are collected, analysed and coordinated,
taken from air, water and surface.
When US-troops from the war theatre in Afghanistan and Iraq ask for help by
the Air Force, Ramstein gives
the commands to the fighter planes, which are deployed nearby - also to the
bombers deployed in
Spangdahlem. Also the USAFE Headquarter is responsible that there is always
enough supply of bombs and
rockets, which are brought steadily to the airfields near the war theatre.
As happened during Bush's visit in
Albania Ramstein commands also units of the US Navy. The "US Bataan" is a hi
-tech landing craft with
marines, who can invade every coast with helicopters and amphibious vehicles
- also in Iran. I am sure, that
the targets for the air strike against Iran are already in the computers.
Coordinators in the Warfighting
Headquarters of the 3rd Air Force in Ramstein will also care for the
refuelling of the long distance bombers
in the air when they return after the bombardment. Also the AWACS-planes of
the NATO-base in
Geilenkirchen control the whole air space in Europe and the Middle East in a
circle within 500 km.
The NATO command CC-Air HQ Ramstein orders the reconnaissance flights of the
German Tornados in
Afghanistan. The order of every air attack in Afghanistan comes from
Ramstein. Many women and children
were killed in these attacks (21).
Not far from Ramstein you find the biggest US Military Hospital in West
Europe in Landstuhl. Since 2003
43.807 wounded warriors from Afghanistan and Iraq landed in Ramstein (status
from August 2007). They
were transported to the "Landstuhl Regional Medical Center /LRMC" or to the
stopover "435th Contingency
Aeromedical Staging Facility / CASF" in Ramstein for a further transport to
another hospital. On July 10th
US-president Bush came on board of a C-17, which had landed on the Air Force
Base in Maryland with 24
wounded soldiers. The plane came from Ramstein (23).
Of the 68,000 US soldiers stationed in Germany today, the US Army maintains
nearly 59,000, along with a
squadron of US Air Force and the European headquarters of the Marine Corps.
A main contingent of the
army is the V corps in Heidelberg (approx. 42,000 soldiers) under the
command of lieutenant general
Ricardo S. Sanchez. Because of his involvement in the tortures at Abu
Ghuraib prison, Sanchez war replaced
as commander-in-chief of the US troops in Iraq (2), but he still serves as
commander of the V. Corps in
Germany. After the return of the 1st Infantry division in Würzburg (3) to
the USA the 1st Armored Division
in Wiesbaden (4) is still subordinated to the corps. It consists of 16,500
soldiers, 159 M1A1 Abrams main
battle tanks, 173 M2 Bradley IFV, 36 howitzers M109A6 Paladin, 18 M270 MLRS
and 18 helicopters AH-
64 Apache.
The Allied Land Component Command Headquarters Heidelberg / ALCC HQ HD ist
responsible for all
army forces of NATO and therefore also for theground combats in Afghanistan.
The NATO-Headquarters in Heidelberg just in August 2007 was moved for 6
month to Afghanistan. The
ALCC is one of the 6 NATO "Joint Force Component Commands". Until July, 1st,
2004 it's name was
"NATO Joint Headquarters Centre" JHC (and before "Allied Land Forces Central
Europe" LANDCENT).
The change into the Component model marks NATO's definite break from
territorial defennse. The
"Component Command" has no definite geographic responsibility anymore.
Instead the Land-, Air-, and
Navy-components are fit to provide commanding capacities quickly and
worldwide.
The purpose of the bases
Following Joseph Gerson the US bases have 7 purposes:
To reinforce the status quo: for example the deterrent role of U.S. bases in
South Korea, and the intimidating role of many of the U.S. bases in Middle
East which are designed to ensure continued U.S. privileged access to, and
control of, the region’s oil
To encircle enemies: as was the case with the Soviet Union and China during
Cold War and China to this day. This is a role played by U.S. bases in Korea
, Japan, Philippines, Australia, Pakistan, Diego Garcia, and in many of the
former Soviet Republics of Central Asia
To serve & reinforce the aircraft carriers, destroyers, nuclear armed
submarines and other warships of the U.S. Navy. This includes bases in
Okinawa, Yokuska outside Tokyo, and “visiting forces” and “access”
agreements in the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and many other countries.
To train U.S. forces, as was long the case for bombardiers in Vieques and as
jungle war fighting and other training which continues in Okinawa.
To function as jumping off points for U.S. foreign military interventions as
missions of U.S. forces here, Spain, Italy, Honduras, Germany and the new
bases in Eastern Europe, Kuwait and likely in Iraq.
To facilitate C3I: command, control, communications and intelligence,
including essential roles in nuclear war fighting, and the use of space for
intelligence and warfare as we saw in Afghanistan and Iraq. U.S.
bases in Okinawa, Qatar, Australia and even China serve these functions.
To control the governments of host nations. Japan, Korea (where U.S.
military forces were deeply involved in military coups,) Germany, Saudi
Arabia, and today’s Iraq begin the list.
Chalmers Johnson sees also an economical aspect. By its military power the
USA serves the US companies and the weapons industry. This concerns big
parts of the US economy, like Kellogg, Brown & Root Company, daughter of the
Haliburton Corporation, which build and maintain the wide spread outposts,
including the comfortable housing of the uniformed personal, which is well
fed and enjoys the recreation centres, the 234 gulf ranges and the ski
resort in Garmisch.
In the last month another purpose of the US bases became public. Using the
international network of US bases the CIA can kidnap any person in any
country under the pretext to be suspicious being a terrorist and kill him or
bring him in any other country for investigation and torture.(17) The media
in Germany reported about "black sites" in Poland and Romania. There are
many cases of such CIA transports from Aviano in Italy and Ramstein and
Frankfurt to Guantanamo and Afghanistan. In the years 2002, 2003 and 2004
there were more than 85 CIA flights from Frankfurt-Rhine-Main-Airbase. So
Germany is not only the military center in northern Europe but also very
important for the CIA, which can act without any control. I assume that in
all the countries with US military bases there exist also secret prisons,
centers where human rights are broken blatantly.
The legal status
The bases are de facto exterritorial areas. The US-expert Chalmers Johnson
wrote: "America-s 703 officially acknowledged foreign military enclaves (as
of September 30, 2002), although structurally, legally, and conceptually
different from colonies, are themselves something like microcolonies in that
they are completely beyond the jurisdiction of the occupied nation1. The
United States virtually always negotiates a "status of forces agreement" (
SOFA) with the ostensibly independent "host" nation, including countries
whose legal systems are every bit (and perhaps more) sophisticated than our
own... Rachel Cornwell and Andrew Wells, two authorities on status of forces
agreements, conclude, "Most SOFAs are written so that
1 The number of 703 U.S. military bases located in other people's countries
is from the Office of the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense (Installations
and Environment), Base Structure Report (A Summary of DoD's Real Property
Inventory) (Washington, DC: Department of Defense, 2003), www.defenselink.
mil/news/Jun2003/basestructure2003.pdf. The figure for 2001 was 725. For
details and analysis of these reports, see Chalmers Johnson, The Sorrows of
Empire (New York: Metropolitan Books, 2004), pp. 151-60. The figure 703
seriously underestimates the actual number since it omits secret
intelligence bases, those disguised by national identities (e.g., Royal Air
Force bases in Britain), those omitted in order to avoid embarrassment to
foreign governments, and most of the bases in the Balkans, Persian Gulf, and
Central Asia acquired in recent American wars.
national courts cannot exercise legal jurisdiction over U.S. military
personnel who commit crimes against local people, except in special cases
where the U.S. military authorities agree to transfer jurisdiction."2.
You can find the legal frame for Germany in the NATO-Status of forces
agreement (SOFA) from June, 19., 1951. There are Additional Agreements to
SOFA (ZA-NTS) between Germany, Canada, Great Britain, Netherlands, Belgium
and France, which have been modified 1993. There are special agreements for
admission and coordination of manoeuvers from March 18., 1994.
Also for three US-German training shooting and bombing ranges there are
administration agreements, which adapt regulations to the practice of the
Bundeswehr. The same happened with three shared UK-German, and one shared
range with Belgium, France and Netherlands.
The question is if the "allied forces" will obey this regulations, and if
not what happens. I remind the incident in 1998 in Cavalese (Italy) where a
US warplane killed 20 people of an alpine carriage lift while flying at
dangerously low (and not permitted) levels. A US-military tribunal found the
pilots not guilty.
This reflects an experience elsewhere in the world with US bases, violators
and criminals will not be punished. They act in this awareness and make the
military bases an outlaw area. Even worse is that using the military bases
means breaking international law.
In a verdict on June 21, 2005, (BVerwG 2 WD 12.04) the highest
administration court in Germany stated that the war against Iraq violated
international law. It was a violation of the ban against violence of the
Charter of the United Nations. There was neither a UN mandate nor could the
USA use the excuse of self defence, which would only have been possible in
the case of a direct attack against the USA and only as long the UN took no
measures. Neither was the case. The (alleged) enemy's possession of weapons
of mass destruction is no reason for war anyway.
The verdict stated that Germany gave aid for the violation of international
law and therefore violated international law also, for the following reasons:
- allowing the use of the US and UK military bases on German territory,
- allowing the USA and UK to fly over German territory,
- guarding the US and UK military facilities in Germany,
- participation of German soldiers in AWACS-planes for Turkish air space.
The court stated: "The act of a state allowing that its territory, given for
use to another state, is used by this state for an act of aggression is in
itself an act of aggression." Germany should have been neutral in the US war
against Iraq. This means the following acts are forbidden:
- transport of soldiers
- use of communication
- use of cars, airplanes and rockets.
Germany was obliged to arrest US soldiers
The court was even more strict: "Troops of conflicting parties, who pass a
neutral territory, coming to the neutral territory after the start of the
armed conflict are to be arrested. Only officers giving their word of honour
not to leave the neutral Territory without permission, can be released."..
"The obligation for internment comes from the very meaning of the law of
neutrality, because only in this way can it be hindered, that armed
conflicts are supported from neutral territory thus leading to an escalation
of armed conflicts and including the neutral state. The Federal Republic of
Germany was not released from this obligation of international law, in the
case of the war, which began on March 20th, 2003, and in which we see severe
violations of international law, by being a member of NATO, which includes
also the USA and the UK (and other members of the war coalition)."..
"Neither the NATO treaty nor the NATO Status of Forces Agreement nor the
additional agreements to SOFA oblige the Federal Republic of Germany to
support acts of NATO partners that violate international law or the UN
Charter.”
"A NATO state that prepares and makes war against international law,
violates not only the UN Charter but also article I of the NATO treaty.
Therein all NATO states are obliged "in accordance with the statutes of the
United Nations to solve every international conflict, in which they take
part, with peaceful means, so that the international peace and the security
and justice are not endangered and to abstain from every threat or use of
2 Rachel Cornwell and Andrew Wells, "Deploying Insecurity," Peace Review 11:
3 (1999), p. 410.
violence, which is not in the framework of the goals of the United Nations."
"This means also that a war, which is not justified by article 51 of the UN
Charter, also cannot represent or justify a 'NATO case of alliance'
according to Art. 5 of the NATO treaty."
"A war of aggression by a NATO state, prohibited by the UN Charter, cannot
become a war of defence by declaring the 'NATO case of alliance'".
According to the additional agreements to SOFA, the USA and UK have to ask
the German government for allowance "if their military planes -outside the
framework of NATO- use the German air space or airfields given for their
disposal for transport of troops, deployed in the USA or UK, for stopover,
refuelling or taking material or weapons on board on their way without NATO
mandate to the war theatre outside the NATO area." Therefore the concerned
German authorities, especially the German government, have the legal right
in a case of conflict to control, if the deployed military forces use the
yielded facilities (and the air space above) in every case only for ‘duties
of defence’ according to the additional agreements to SOFA and the NATO
treaty, or use or prepare them for other activities." The German government
has to start and take "all necessary measures to hinder that actions and
support for war in violation of international law are initiated from the
territory of the Federal Republic of Germany. One more reason for this is
Art. 2 of the treaty, concerning the final regulations about Germany (so
called Two-Plus-Four Treaty), which was adopted as part of the framework for
German reunification. This was the essential basis for establishment of the
German union of states. By this treaty Germany is obliged by international
law to take care, "that only peace comes from German territory."
Secret Agreements are invalid
"This is also valid for the case of secret agreements between the Federal
Republic of Germany and the USA and the UK, which are not registered and
published by the Secretary of the United Nations in spite of Art. 102 of the
UN Charter and which might foresee different arrangements in the case of a
military conflict. Independent from the validity of such secret agreements,
Art. 103 of the UN Charter, has to be fulfilled strictly. It says: ' In the
event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United
Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other
international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall
prevail.'"
Indeed there seems to be such a secret agreement between the German
government and the USA. This was mentioned in a radio broadcast with author
Albrecht Müller, who worked in former German governments. He said that at
the time of German reunification the US government was very anxious to loose
their military bases in Germany. But that Chancellor Kohl made a secret
agreement with the USA that they could use their bases for any reasons they
wanted at any time. I heard the same from the former member of the German
government Oskar Lafontaine at a conference in January 2006 in Berlin. He
said that Germany in this sense is not a sovereign country like France.
This explains why the USA was allowed use of its German bases for the
illegal war against Iraq.
Another violation of international law is the deployment of nuclear weapons
in Germany. This is forbidden by the NPT and the advisory opinion of the
International Court from July 8th, 1996.
Generally international law and the constitution is broken by the SOFA and
additional agreements.
US-generals in Ramstein get their criminal orders for attack from the
Pentagon and give them to the US Forces in Europe and Middle East. Because
in the NATO Headquarters work also German soldiers, the German defence
minister and so also the German government know exactly what is going an at
the US-Air-Base Ramstein. But nor the former chancellor Schroeder or
ministers Fischer and Struck and now chancellor Merkel or ministers
Steinmeier and Jung made actions or comments to this violations of
international law and our constitution. Right before our eyes article 26 of
the German constitution is broken every day. Wars of aggression are trained
and executed, also with banned weapons.
If the foreign military bases in Germany would be abolished, this would
certainly serve peace and our constitution. But we must not forget, that the
German army (Bundeswehr) is training the war of aggression also on their
own military bases, for instance just recently with the biggest exercise of
the German Air Force ELITE 2007 (27). Also the German Air Force is training
with banned weapons, like clusterbombs and DU-ammunition . There is even
training for dropping nuclear bombs.
In the meantime also the EU has 75 military bases worldwide. This are 28
French, 29 British, 5 Italian, 2 Spanish and 11 German, which the military
give each other mutually. For instance: without the German base in Termes (
Usbekistan) the war against Afghanistan would be impossible.
The costs
To keep the bases in Germany functional 7 billion US-Dollars are spent every
year. Germany gives 1.89 billion (27 %) to the USA.
Germany payed also for the 'transformation' cost of the US military
footprint in Germany. In the case of Rhein-Main airbase shift US-Militä
rstützpunkte to Ramstein and Spangdahlem: 368 million $ of the total of 528
million $. The rest is also funded by NATO, which means Germany bears 70 %
of the cost (15).
When confronted with the argument of the economic benefits of keeping US
military bases, these figures can make clear that the cost of having them is
often beard by the hosting country. Germany is actually paying to be an
outpost for the military interventions and illegal warfare of the US
military.
30 most important US bases in Germany
Here are the 30 most important US bases in Germany (status of year 2003)
All US Air Bases
ETEP
AAF Armstrong Army Heliport
EOD
AAF Coleman
ETEU
AAF Giebelstadt
ETIC
AAF Grafenwoehr
ETID
AAF Hanau (Fliegerhorst Kaserne)
ETEE
AAF Heidelberg (Patton Barracks)
ETIH
AAF Hohenfels (CMTC)
ETEB
AAF Katterbach Barracks
ETIK
AAF Storck Barracks
EDDS
AAF Stuttgart
WIE
AAF Wiesbaden
EDFS
AHP Schweinfurt (Conn Barracks)
FRF
AB Rhein-Main
GKE
AB Geilenkirchen (NATO Base)
RMS
AB Ramstein
SEX
AB Sembach
SPM
AB Spangdahlem
ESH
AS Einsiedlerhof
*
AAF = Army Air Field AB = Air Base AHP = Army Heliport AS = Air Station
List of all US locations
There is no official information about the number of the military bases in
Germany. The Berlin Institute of Transatlantic Studies estimated 74 as
number in 2004 with altogether 310 military objects (barracks, radio masts,
radar towers etc). (5) (11) (13)
In 2005 at least 6 locations were closed. However the military units cannot
always be related to a certain barracks, therefore the following list of the
military locations can offer only a first, incomplete overview. First, for
each municipality are listed all known barracks. Then, for every barracks
are named all the deployed units, starting from company level company, which
might be returned to the United States. If not mentioned the locations
concern the US Army.
Use of civil airports
Because of the growing numbers of transports to the war theatre and the
rotation the US uses more and more civil airports in Germany. This is the
case for Hahn (near Frankfurt), Nuremberg (for the base in Grafenwoehr) and
Leipzig (after the number of transports over Shannon (Ireland) have been
drastically cut because of the local resistance). In Hahn the US military
uses for this purpose airplanes, which seem to be civilian, they have the
names "Omni Air Express" and "Evergreen Airlines". In most cases they come
from the US-Airbase Dover (Delaware) and from Hartfield Jackson in Atlanta.
Only from Hahn the number of soldiers transported to Iraq climbed up from 74
,295 in 2005 to 179,274 in 2006.
1. Amberg
Amberg Fam Hsg
Freihoelser Tng Area
Pond Barracks
2. Ansbach
Barton Barracks
Bleidorn Fam Hsg
Katterbach Barracks:
- Headquarters of the 4th Aviation Brigade of the 1st Infantry Division
- 1st Aviation Battalion „Gunfighters“ (AH-64 Apache)
- 2nd Aviation Battalion „Fighting Eagle“ (UH-60 Blackhawk, AH-64
Apache)
- 45th Medical Company (Air Ambulance) with helicopters
- 601st Aviation Support Battalion „Dragon Support“
The following units are also deployed in Ansbach:
- 6th Air Defense Artillery Battalion with Patriot Missiles
- 235th Base Support Battalion
Oberdachstetten Tng Area
Shipton Barracks
3. Aschaffenburg
Aschaffenburg Fam Hsg
Aschaffenburg Tng Areas
4. Babenhausen
Barracks Babenhausen
Babenhausen Family Hsg
Bad Aibling
The Spy Base in Bad Aibling (BAS) was the first satellite spy base in 1968
and had been run by the US National Security Agency (NSA) since 1971. In
1994, BAS management was transferred from the NSA to the U.S. Army
Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) and it became part of the U.S.
global network of Signals intelligence (SIGINT) bases for military
electronic eavesdropping and surveillance. However in 2001, a European Union
investigation into the computer-based Echelon search system suggested that,
since the end of the Cold War, commercial espionage was being carried out
there and at similar US bases, such as Menwith Hill in England, and could be
costing European companies billions of dollars in contracts lost to the US.
In fact, some eight years earlier, infra-red photography taken during a
balloon flight
over Bad Aibling had revealed that the satellite receiving dishes inside the
bases' 'golf-balls' were not directed towards Eastern Europe, as the US
claimed, but in-stead to the west, in the direction of its allies. A further
consequence of this investigation was the announcement that Bad Aibling
would be closed in September 2002 and many of the personnel transferred to
the Menwith Hill base in the UK. However, following 9/11, in the name of the
"War Against Terror," Bad Aibling received a reprieve, and didn't actually
close until 2004 and was moved to Griesheim (see nr. 32).
5. Bad Kissingen Daley Village Fam Hsg
6. Bad Kreuznach
Bad Kreuznach Fam Hsg
Bad Kreuznach Hospital
George C Marshall Barracks Rose Barracks
- Staff of the Engineer Brigade of the 1st Armored Division
7. Bad Nauheim
Alvin York Vil Fam Hsg
8. Babenhausen
Babenhausen Barracks:
- 1st Field Artillery Battalion „Railgunners“ with MLRS
- Two companies of the 5th Air Defense Artillery Battalion with Patriot
Missiles
- 77th Maintenance Company
9. Bamberg
Bamberg Airfield
Bamberg Stor & Range Area
Flynn Fam Hsg & Tng Areas
Warner Barracks
- Staff of the Division Artillery of the 1st Infantery Division „
Drumfire“
- Staff of the Engineer Brigade of the 1st Infantery Division „
Devastator“
- Staff of the 1st Armor Division Artillery „Iron Steel“
- 1st Field Artillery Battalion „Centaur“
- 1st Field Artillery Battalion (MLRS/TA) „Golden Lions“
- 54th Engineer Battalion „Daggers-In“
- 82nd Engineer Battalion
- 317th Maintenance Company „Wolfpack“
- 279th Base Support Battalion
- 7th Corps Support Group
- 627th Movement Control Team
- 634th Deployment Support Team
- 635th MRD
10. Bann
Bann Comm Station (Air Force)
11. Baumholder
Baumholder Airfield
Baumholder Fam Hsg
Baumholder Hospital
Baumholder Qm Area
Birkenfeld Hsg Facilities
Hoppstaedten Waterworks
Idar Oberstein Fam Hsg
Neubruecke Hospital
Pfeffelbach Waterworks
H. D. Smith-Barracks
- Staff of the Division Artillery of the 1st Infantery Division „
Drumfire“
- Staff of the Engineer Brigade of the 1st Infantery Division „
Devastator“
- Staff of the 1st Armor Division Artillery „Iron Steel“
- 1st Field Artillery Battalion „Centaur“
- 1st Field Artillery Battalion (MLRS/TA) „Golden Lions“
- 54th Engineer Battalion „Daggers-In“
- 82nd Engineer Battalion
- 317th Maintenance Company „Wolfpack“
- 279th Base Support Battalion
- 7th Corps Support Group
- 627th Movement Control Team
- 634th Deployment Support Team
- 635th MRD
Strassburg Barracks
About 5.500 soldiers are deployed in Baumholder.
Wetzel Fam Hsg
Wetzel Barracks
12. Bensheim
Bensheim Maint & Supply Fac
13. Bernau
Chiemsee Recreation Area
14. Büdingen
Buedingen Ammo Area
Armstrong Barracks
- 1st Cavalry Squadron
Buedingen Army Heliport
15. Binsfeld
Binsfeld Family Hsg Annex (US Air Force)
16. Bitburg Bitburg Family Hsg Annex (US Air Force)
Bitburg Storage Annex No 2 (US Air Force)
Panzer Barracks:
17. Böblingen
Panzer Barracks:
- Headquarters of the U.S. Marine Corps in Europe (MARFOREUR)
This headquarters might be deployed to Italy.
18. Büchel
Buechel Air Base (US Air Force)
Here 20 nuclear bombs (B61-10) are deployed. Within the program of "Nuclear
Sharing" also German Airmenn train to drop nuclear bombs.
19. Büdingen
Armstrong Barracks
Armstrong Village Fam Hsg
20. Butzbach
Butzbach Tng Area & Range
Roman Way Village Fam Hsg
21. Darmstadt
Cambrai-Fritsch-Barracks:
- Headquarters of the 22nd Signal Brigade „Victory Voice“ of the V
Corps
- 440th Signal Battalion
- 55th Postal Company
- 102nd Signal Battalion Support
- 233rd Base Support Battalion
Darmstadt Training Center
Ernst Ludwig Barracks
Griesheim Airfield
Jefferson Village Fam Hsg
Kelley Barracks-Ger-GE44E:
- 32nd Signal Battalion „Sound the Warhorns“
- 596th Maintenance Company
- 165th Military Intelligence Battalion
Lincoln Village Fam Hsg
Messel Small Arms Range
Nathan Hale Qm Area
St Barbara Village Fam Hsg
22. Dexheim
Anderson Barracks
- 123rd Main Support Battalion
Dexheim Fam Hsg
Dexheim Missile Fac
Erlensee (near Hanau) closed in January 2006
Fliegerhorst Barracks:
- Headquaters of the 4th Aviation Brigade „Iron Eagle“ of the 1st
Armored Divison.
- 1st Attack Battalion with different types of helicopters: OH-58D Kiowa, UH
-60 Blackhawk, and AH-64 Apache
- 127th Aviation Support Battalion
- 709th Military Police Battalion „Warriors“
- 3rd Air Traffic Control Battalion
23. Frankfurt
In Frankfurt was the Rhein-Main Air Base (only until October 2005)
Rhein-Main Air Base:
- 726th Air Mobility Squadron for the technical staging of the whole traffic
of passengers and freight
- 469th Air Base Group to support the passengers during their journeys
- 16th Expeditionary Support Squadron to support the SFOR in
Bosnia-Herzegovina (Operation JOINT FORGE), and the KFOR in Kosovo (
Operation JOINT GUARDIAN)
- 64th Personnel Replacement Company
The U. S. Air Force Europe will return its part of the airport to the
civilian airport company Flughafen AG. Normally 680 soldiers and 1105
civilians are working on the military air base.
At the end of October 2005 65% of the task was taken over by Ramstein Air
Base, the rest by Spangdahlem.
Frankfurt Hospital (US Air Force)
Gateway Gardens Family Hsg (US Air Force)
Ag Pub & Tng Aids Ctr
Frankfurt AFN Sta
24. Friedberg
McArthur Place Fam Hsg
Ray-Barracks:
- Headquarters of the 1st Armored Brigade „Forerunners“ of the
1st Armored Division
- 1st Infantry Battalion „Spartan“
- 1st Armored Battalion „Bandits“
- 2nd Armored Battalion „Dukes“
- 501st Forward Support Battalion „Providers“
- 55th Personnel Services Battalion (elements)
- 284th Base Support Battalion
- 501st Military Police Company
The 1st Armored brigade was made smaller on approximately 3,400 soldiers and
reequipped with the new wheeled tank Stryker instead of the Abrams main
battle tank. This highly mobile "Stryker brigade Combat team" is deployed to
the military exercise area Grafenwoehr in Bavaria, which now is being
modernized for about 630 million dollar. (6) For military interventions the
unit can be transported via the civilian airport in Nuremberg to Africa or
the Middle East.
25. Garmisch
Artillery Barracks
Breitenau Skeet Range
Garmisch Fam Hsg
Garmisch Golf Course
Garmisch Shopping Center
General Abrams Hotel & Disp
General Patton Hotel
General Von Steuben Hotel
Hausberg Ski Area
Sheridan Barracks
26. Geilenkirchen
Air Base Geilenkirchen (NATO)
AWACS-Fleet ("NATO E-3A Component... NATO's Flagship Fleet. providing rapid
deployability, airborne surveillance, command, control and communication for
NATO operations."), direct involvement in wars against Yugoslavia, Gulf,
Iraq, etc.
27. Gelnhausen
Coleman Village Fam Hsg
28. Germersheim Germersheim Army Depot
29. Giebelstadt
Giebelstadt (near Wuerzburg) (will be closed in fiscal year 2007)
Army Air Field:
- Headquarters of the 12th Aviation Brigade „Wings of Victory“ of the
V Corps
- 3rd Aviation Battalion "Victory's Guardians“
- 3rd Aviation Battalion „Storm Riders“
- 5th Aviation Battalion „Mission Ready“ with transport helicopters
UH-60L Blackhawk.
- Headquarters of the 69th Air Defense Artillery Brigade of the V. Corps
with Patriot Missiles
- 523rd Medical Company
30. Giessen
George C Marshall Vil Fam Hsg
Giessen Community Facilities
General Depot Giessen
John F Dulles Village Fam Hsg
Pendleton Barracks
- 2nd Field Artillery Battalion "Gunners“ with 155mm howitzers Paladin
31. Grafenwoehr
Grafenwoehr Tng Area
Grafenwoehr is the biggest army training area outside the USA(forward
operating base). This range will not be given up. When two army division
will be withdrawn from Germany, beginning in 2006, the Stryker Brigade (3000
soldiers) came to Grafenwoehr and Vilseck.(8). - 561st Medical Company
32. Griesheim
- 105th Military Intelligence Battalion (169 soldiers and 12 Department of
Army civilians)
The Griesheim Spy Base is for intelligence collection and support of
military operations, probably also for espionage of political opponents and
economical espionage, started in December 2003, when the Bad Aibling Station
(BAS) was closed (see after Nr. 4).
33. Grossauheim
Grossauheim Barracks
34. Grünstadt
Gruenstadt Comm Sta Ma
35. Guntersblum
Camp Oppenheim Tng Area
36. Hanau
Argonner Barracks
Campo Pond Tng Area
Cardwell Village Fam Hsg
Harvey Barracks:
- Staff of the Division Support Command of the 1st Infantry Division
Hutier Barracks:
- 160th Corps Support Group
- 485th Corps Support Battalion
- 69th Chemical Company
Fliegerhorst Irfield Barracks
New Argonner Fam Hsg
Pioneer Barracks:
- Headquarters of the 130th Engineer Brigade of the V Corps
- 565th Engineer Battalion
- 39th Finance Battalion
Pioneer Village Fam Hsg
Tiergarten Tng Area
Underwood Barracks:
- Three companies of the 5th Air Defense Artillery Battalion with Patriot
Missiles
Wolfgang Barracks:
- 55th Postal Company
Yorkhoff Barracks:
- Staff of the 104th Area Support Group
The following units are also deployed in Hanau:
- 414th Base Support Battalion
- 626th Movement Control Team
- 633rd Deployment Support Team
37. Heidelberg
Campbell Barracks
- Headquarters of the V Corps
Edingen Radio Receiver Fac
Hammonds Barracks
Heidelberg Airfield
Heidelberg Community Sup Ctr
Heidelberg Golf Course Heidelberg
Heidelberg Hospital
Kilbourne Barracks
Mark Twain Village Fam Hsg
Nachrichten Barracks:
- Headquarters of the 30th Medical Brigade of the V Corps
Oftersheim Small Arms Range
Patrick Henry Village Fam Hsg
Patton Barracks
- 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion of the V Corps. The Alpha Company
participated in the tortures at the Abu Ghuraib prison in Bagdad.
- 411th Base Support Battalion
Schwetzingen Training Area
Stem Barracks
Tompkin Barracks
In addition the following units are stationed in Heidelberg:
- 93rd Dental Battalion
- 26th Area Support Group
38. Herforst
Herforst Family Hsg Anx (US Air Force)
39. Hochspeyer
Hochspeyer Ammo Stor Anx(US Air Force)
40. Hof
East Camp Grafenwoehr
41. Hohenfels
Hohenfels Tng Area
42. Idar-Oberstein:
- 1st Field Artillery Bataillon "Deep Steel“
43. Illesheim
Storck Barracks (Bad Windsheim) with Army air Field.
- 11th Aviation Regiment of the V Corps
- 2nd Aviation Squadron with attack helicopters AH-64 Apache
- 6th Aviation Squadron with attack helicopters AH-64 Apache
- 235th Base Support Battalion
- 7th Aviation Maintenance Company
- 147th Maintenance Company
44. Jever
Gut Husum Ammunition Storage Annex (US Air Force)
Jever Air Base (US Air Force)
45. Kaiserslautern
Community Fac Kaiserlautern E
Daenner Barracks
Einsiedlerkoepfe Training Anx (US Air Force)
Hill 365 Radio Relay Fac
Kaiserslautern Army Depot
Kaiserslautern Equip Spt Ctr
Kaiserslautern Fam Hsg Anx No 3 (US Air Force)
Einsiedlerhof Maintenance Anx (US Air Force)
Warrior Preparation Center located in Einsiedlerhof Air Station Germany,
enables commanders to effectively conduct air, land and sea campaigns at
anytime, by computer simulation (joint USAREUR and USAFE training facility
for senior level battle commanders and their staffs). NATO-wide simulation
exercise Allied Command Europe (ACE 89).
Einsiedlerhof Storage Annex (US Air Force) Kapaun Administration Anx (US Air
Force)
Kleber Barracks
Panzer Barracks-Ger-GE642
Pulaski Barracks
In Kaiserslautern in the Pulaski Barracks is the 415th Base Support
Battalion deployed. This unit might be deployed there in the coming years.
But with the removal of the V. Corps the Battalion`s higher Area Support
Group might be deleted and the Battalion has to change command.
Rhine Ordnance Barracks
Vogelweh Family Hsg Annex (US Air Force)
46. Kitzingen (will be closed in fiscal year 2007)
Harvey Barracks
Kitzingen Family Hsg
Kitzingen Tng Areas
Larson-Barracks:
- 4th Air Defense Artillery Battalion „First Strike“.
The 750 soldiers of the battalion are armed with 20 Bradley IFV, 24 Avenger
and 30 Stinger. When the battalion returns from Iraq in 2005, the unit will
be disbanded.
Harvey Barracks and Larson-Barracks have about 3.500 soldiers together.
The following units are also stationed in Kitzingen:
- Division Support Command „Durable“ of the 1st Infantry Division
- 17th Signal Battalion „We lead the way!“
- 121st Signal Battalion „Danger's Voice“
- 12th Chemical Company
47. Landstuhl
Bann Communication Station No 2 (US Air Force)
Breitenwald Tng Area
Landstuhl Family Hsg Annex O3 (US Air Force)
Landstuhl Heliport
Landstuhl Hospital
Ramstein Air Base (US Air Force)
- 236th Medical Company (Air Ambulance)
- 464th Medical Company
Ramstein is the biggest US military base in Germany and the biggest US
military base outside the USA. This airbase is for military transports and
plays a key role for the logistic of the Iraq war. Ramstein is the biggest
hub in northern Europe and was extended and equipped with new techniques.
Here are deployed 130 nuclear bombs of the type B61-10. There are hints that
these bombs were withdrawn in the meantime.
Landstuhl is the biggest US military hospital outside the USA. It is the hub
for all killed or wounded soldiers from the Iraq war.
48. Langen
Egelsbach Transmitter Fac
Langen Terrace Fam Hsg Area
49. Leimen
Langerkopf Rad Rel Site (US Air Force)
50. Mainz
Finthen Airfield Mainz
Fintherlandstr Fam Hsg
McCully Barracks
Wackernhm-Schwabenwaeldchen Ta
51. Mannheim
Benjamin Franklin Vil Fam Hsg
Coleman Barracks
- Headquarters of the 18th Military Police Brigade of the V Corps
Friedrichsfeld Qm Service Ctr
Friedrichsfeld Stor Area
Funari Barracks
Mannheim Class III Point
Rheinau Coal Pt D-Spinelli Barracks
Sullivan Barracks
Taylor Barracks
Turley Barracks
also deployed:
- 293rd Base Support Battalion
52. Miesau
Miesau Ammo Depot
Miesau Army Depot:
- 226th Medical Logistics Battalion
- 212th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital (now stationed in Iraq)
53. Mühlhausen
Siegenburg Air Range (US Air Force)
Air range (forward operating base). This air range is also for training the
bombardment with nuclear weapons, which are deployed in Ramstein (130) and
in Büchel (20). These bombs are dropped by F16 or Tornado. There is a
second air range for this purpose in Nordhorn. This was used by the British
army.
54. Nürnberg
Johnson Barracks
55. Oberweis
Oberweis Annex (US Air Force)
56. Pirmasens
Husterhoeh Communication Site (US Air Force)
Husterhoeh Barracks
57. Prüm
Pruem Air Station (US Air Force)
58. Quirnheim
Quirnheim Missile Sta Ma
59. Ramstein (siehe auch Landstuhl)
Landstuhl Maintenance Site
Ramstein Storage Annex (US Air Force)
60. Regensburg
Regensburg Fam Hsg
61. Sambach
Sambach AFN Fac
62. Schweinfurt
Askren Manor Fam Hsg
Conn Barracks
- Headquarters of the 2nd Brigade "Dagger“ of the 1st Infantry Division
- 1st Infantry Battalion "Vanguards“
- 1st Armor Battalion "Steel Tigers“
- 1st Cavalry Squadron "Quarterhorse“
- 299th Forward Support Battalion - 601st CSD
Ledward Barracks
- 1st Infantry Battalion „Blue Spartans“
- 1st Field Artillery-Battalion
- 9th Engineer Battalion (Combat)
- 280th Base Support Battalion
- 38th Personnell Service Battalion
- 106th Finance Battalion
- 630th Military Police Company
Leighton Barracks
Rottershausen Ammo Stor Area
Schweinfurt Tng Areas
Sulzheim Tng Area
Siegenburg see Mühlhausen
63. Spangdahlem
Spangdahlem Air Base (US Air Force)
- 52nd Fighter Wing with the following squadrons:
- 22nd Fighter Squadron with 19 F-16C/D Fighting Falcon and F-16CJ Wild
Weasel
- 23rd Fighter Squadron with 26 F-16C/D Fighting Falcon and F-16CJ Wild
Weasel
- 81st Fighter Squadron mit 21 A-10A Thunderbolt II
One of the fighter squadrons might be redeployed to the Incirlik AB in
Turkey. In the press it is occasionally suggested that the entire wing could
be shifted. Then inevitably the whole airport would have to be shut down.
This is however improbable, since the air base was modernized in the last
years.
64. Speicher
Speicher Family Hsg Anx
65. Stuttgart
Boeblingen Fam Hsg
Boeblingen Range
Boeblingen Tng Area
Echterdingen Airfield
EUCOM
The EUCOM commands 112,000 soldiers in 499 bases. These are besides the 68,
000 soldiers in Germany the 6. US fleet in the Mediterranean Sea (14,000
sailors), in Great Britain (12,000), Italy (10,000), Turkey (2,000), Spain (
2,000) and smaller contingents in Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium,
Luxemburg, Portugal and Greece. Here military actions are coordinated not
only for Europe but also for Africa and the Middle East.
Kefurt & Craig Village Fam Hsg
Kelley Barracks-Ger-GE44F
Leinfelden-Echterdingen Airport
Besides this civil airport you find in the south an military airport, which
was built recently with 11.4 Mill. US-Dollars. This airport is especially
for Learjets and helicopters to secure the mobility of the EUCOM-staff.
Kornwestheim Golf Course
Moehringen Fam Hsg
Panzer Barracks-Ger-GE643
Patch Barracks
Robinson Barracks
Robinson-Grenadier Fam Hsg
Steuben & Weicht Vil Fam Hsg
Stuttgart Dependent
66. Viernheim
Lampertheim Tng Area
67. Vilseck
Rose Barracks:
- 2nd Infantry Battalion „Ramrods“
- 1st Armor Battalion
- 2nd Armor Battalion
- 94th Engineer Battalion (Combat) (Heavy)
- 201st Forward Support Battalion
- 409th Base Support Battalion
South Camp Vilseck (troop exercise area)
- Headquarters of the 3rd Brigade of the 1st Infantry Division
Vilseck belongs to the forward operating bases
68. Wartenberg
Sembach Admin Annex (Wing HQ) (US Air Force)
69. Weisskirchen
Weisskirchen AFN Trans Fac
70. Wetzlar
George Gershwin Fam Hsg
71. Wiesbaden-Erbenheim:
Amelia Earhart Hotel
American Arms Hotel
Aukamm Hsg Area
Crestview Hsg Area
Hainerberg Hsg and Shop Ctr
Kastel Hsg Area
Mainz-Kastel Station
Rheinblick Rec Annex
Wiesbaden Army Airfield
Army Airfield (3,000 soldiers):
- Headquarters of the 1st Armored Division "Old Ironsides“
- Headquarters of the 205th Military Intelligence Brigade. This brigade was
involved in the tortures of prisoners at the Abu Ghuraib prison in Bagdad. (
7)
- Staff of the 3rd Corps Support Command of the V Corps
- Staff of the 1st Armor Division Support Command
- 141st Signal Battalion
- 421st Medical Batallion with helicopters UH-60A Blackhawk
- 27th Transportation Batallion
- 421th Medical Evacuation Batallion
- 221st Base Support Battalion
- 159th Medical Company (Air Ambulance)
- 557th Medical Company (Ground Ambulance)
- 501st Military Police Company
- 19th Support Center
- 619th Movement Control Team
Small Arms Range
72. Würzburg (will be closed in fiscal year 2007)
Faulenberg Barracks:
- 98th Area Support Group "Supporting Excellence“
Leighton-Barracks:
- 101st Military Intelligence Battalion „Always Forward“
Alltogether in Wuerzberg are about 6,000 soldiers stationed.
- Headquarters of the 1st Infantry Division (Mechanized) "The Big Red One“.
The 1st ID has played an important role in Operation "Iraqi Freedom" and
the so called "Global War on Terrorism"
- 417th Base Support Battalion
- 67th Combat Support Hospital
The division has exeptionally four brigades, of which one is stationed
already in Riley, Kansas.
Wuerzburg Hospital
Wuerzburg Tng Areas
British Forces Germany
The British Forces Germany (BFG) (12) is now comprised of three main
armoured brigades under the command of 1st (UK) Armoured Division whose HQ
is based in Herford near Bielefeld. In addition to this, there are many
garrison units located at Gütersloh, Hohne, Osnabrück and Paderborn.
The current BFG total is about 55,000 people, although only 25,000 are
actual serving personnel. The equipment level of the BFG is rather high,
with 216 Challenger 2 MBTs, 306 Warrior APCs, 66 AS-90 Braveheart howitzers,
18 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, over 1,000 other armoured personnel
carriers, and 12 Gazelle and Lynx helicopters. The main areas of British
presence are North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony.
The British presence in Germany is vitally important to British interests.
The Army is able to carry out large-scale armoured warfare training and also
allows the Army to be rapidly deployed abroad as seen during the Kosovo War
in 1999 and during the preparations for war with Iraq in 2003.
4th Armoured Brigade
• 204 Signal Squadron
• 1st Queen's Dragoon Guards
• Royal Dragoon Guards
• 1st Battalion, Scots Guards
• 1st Battalion, The Duke of Wellington's Regiment
• 21st Regiment, Royal Engineers
• 1st Battalion, Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers
• 4th Regiment, Royal Artillery
7th Armoured Brigade
• 207 Signal Squadron
• The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers and Greys)
• 2nd Royal Tank Regiment
• 1st Battalion, The Highlanders (Seaforth, Gordons and Camerons)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
20th Armoured Brigade
• 200 Signal Squadron
• The Queen's Royal Hussars (The Queen's Own and Royal Irish)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Wales
• 1st Battalion, The Light Infantry
102 Logistics Brigade
• 6 Supply Regiment, Royal Logistic Corps
• 7 Transport Regiment, Royal Logistic Corps
• 8 Transport Regiment, Royal Logistic Corps
• 5 Regiment, Royal Military Police
• 34 Field Hospital
Garrison Units
• 9th/12th Royal Lancers (Prince of Wales's)
• 1 Regiment, Army Air Corps
• A (29) Close Support Medical Squadron, Royal Army Medical Corps
• 12 Regiment, Royal Artillery
• 26 Regiment, Royal Artillery
• 2nd Battalion, Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers
• 3rd Battalion, Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers
• 28 Engineer Regiment
• 32 Engineer Regiment (The Assault Engineers)
• 35 Engineer Regiment
• 3rd Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery
• 1 General Support Regiment, Royal Logistic Corps
• 2 General Support Regiment, Royal Logistic Corps
• 16 Tank Transporter Regiment, Royal Logistic Corps
• 1st Regiment, Royal Military Police
• 110 Provost Company, Royal Military Police
• 111 Provost Company, Royal Military Police
• 115 Provost Company, Royal Military Police
• 1st (United Kingdom) Armoured Division Signal Regiment
Sources:
(1) www.uni-kassel.de/fb10/frieden/regionen/USA/truppen.html
(2) www.vcorps.army.mil/leaders/leaders.htm
(3) www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/1id.htm
(4) www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/1ad.htm
(5) www.usarmygermany.com/USAREUR_Barrackss.htm
(6) www.sueddeutsche.de/deutschland/artikel/375/37338/
(7) www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/co/17437/1.html
(8) Berliner Zeitung, 2004, October 8. (9) [EUCOM_RELEASE] Date: 29 Jul 2005
, From: Yates, Dale W. TSgt
(10) Rachel Cornwell and Andrew Wells, "Deploying Insecurity," Peace Review
11:3 (1999), p. 410.
(11) www.aktivepolitik.de/USA_Militaer.htm
(12) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_Germany
(13) Gerhard Piper (Berlin Institute for Transatlantic Security): The
American Cutting List of Military Bases in Germany
(14) Dr. Joseph Gerson: Military Colonialism: Personal and Analytical
Perspectives, International Consultation on U.S. Bases, Seoul, Dec. 1 & 2,
2003
(15) Air Force Print News from 2005, Oct. 8th
(16) Additionally, the 1st ID's subordinate units, as well as selected V
Corps and U.S. Army Europe units, will return to the United States,
inactivate entirely, convert or be reassigned in Europe to support Army
transformation in Fiscal 2006.
(17) Nick Turse: "American Prison Planet" www.tomdispatch.com
(18) US Army Release No. 20070102 "U.S. Army in Europe units scheduled to
deploy",
January 22, 2007
(19) Report from "Stars and Stripes" 2007, June, 11th
(20) Report from "Stars and Stripes" 2007, May, 15th
(21) LUFTPOST-INFO, from the grassroot-initiative against air pollution,
noise and environmental damages (Bürgerinitiative gegen Fluglärm,
Bodenlärm und Umweltverschmutzung e.V.) from 2007, Febr., 20th.
(22) LUFTPOST-INFO from 2007, June, 6th.
(23) Report from "Stars and Stripes" 2007, July, 23rd.
(24) Report from "Stars and Stripes" 2007, Aug., 9th
This paper will be updated regularly. You can download this paper from
http://deutscher-friedensrat.de/pdf/ForeignBasesiG.pdf
See also
GLOBAL NET OF US MILITARY BASES GUARENTEE NEVER ENDING WAR
http://deutscher-friedensrat.de/pdf/MBworldwide.pdf | g********m
发帖数: 956 | 52 说说6.出口大国外汇储备却不多，外汇都干嘛了？
一次
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 二战以来：
: 1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
: 2.积极赔款；
: 3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
: 4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
: 5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
: 6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
: 7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
: 所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
: 韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
| r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 53 下一次世界大战要是真打起来，一定又是德国佬起的头。 | r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 54 技术底子还在，豹式坦克u212潜艇都不错。
【在 R********n 的大作中提到】
: 德国能有什么武器，美帝哪会容忍it发展武器？德国就是另一个日本式半殖民地，牢牢
: 攥在美帝和CIA手上。
:
: 高,
: 皇军,美国的红脖互掐到死,世界又是欧洲的了.
| z**l
发帖数: 536 | 55 我也不知道。不过这个问题非常有意思。德国人赚的钱不买美国国债那都用到哪去了？
【在 g********m 的大作中提到】
: 说说6.出口大国外汇储备却不多，外汇都干嘛了？
:
: 一次
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 56 接济欧盟别的国家了。。。。
而且德国也是藏富于民，联邦政府不一定多有钱
【在 g********m 的大作中提到】
: 说说6.出口大国外汇储备却不多，外汇都干嘛了？
:
: 一次
| c*******o
发帖数: 1722 | 57 if you read news about PIGS, you will know where the money needs go.
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 我也不知道。不过这个问题非常有意思。德国人赚的钱不买美国国债那都用到哪去了？
| f*****c
发帖数: 3257 | 58 德国的工业啊，世界上哪个国家不眼馋？？
这个是真木办法的事情，德国佬的这种修养和技术，把第二位远远的甩开。 | y****i
发帖数: 1050 | 59 德国哪有那么厉害？前沿工业都没份，太空科技是空白，还不如日本。当然比土工强太
多。 | c****g
发帖数: 37081 | 60 就怕猪一样的队友。纳粹就是被猪坑了，同盟、轴心乃至欧盟都一样。 | | | B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 61 连美国佬也开始羡慕，佩服德国人了。德国人也确实实在些，实际些。
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2076568-4,00.htm
The lesson of Germany is a good one. Back in 2000, the Germans were facing
an economic rebalancing not unlike what the U.S. is experiencing. East and
West Germany had unified, creating a huge wealth gap and high unemployment
at a time when German jobs were moving to central Europe. The country didn't
try to explain away the problem in quarterly blips but rather stared it
directly in the face. CEOs sat down with labor leaders as partners; union
reps sit on management boards in Germany. The government offered firms
temporary subsidies to forestall outsourcing. Corporate leaders worked with
educators to churn out a labor force with the right skills. It worked. Today
Germany has not only higher levels of growth but also lower levels of
unemployment than it did prerecession.
【在 f*****c 的大作中提到】
: 德国的工业啊，世界上哪个国家不眼馋？？
: 这个是真木办法的事情，德国佬的这种修养和技术，把第二位远远的甩开。
| z***c
发帖数: 2959 | 62 其实就一个区别，德国的政策是大家共同富裕。土共的是希望大部分老百姓一直穷下去
一次
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 二战以来：
: 1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
: 2.积极赔款；
: 3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
: 4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
: 5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
: 6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
: 7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
: 所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
: 韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
| t*d
发帖数: 1290 | 63 Kahn 这个犹太人可以法国总统热门候选人，说明法国人很亲犹。
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 主要还是怕毛子吧？不得不投靠美帝。
: 欧洲国家普遍反犹。法国反犹也很厉害。
| t*d
发帖数: 1290 | 64 耶稣自己就是一个犹太人。
【在 d******5 的大作中提到】
: 必须是犹太人胜出啊
: 犹太人多有眼光啊
: 耶稣刚出到时，身边的跟随者都是犹太人，看这眼光～～
| O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 65 中国是胜国，德国是败国，一个败国谈啥掏光洋灰
一次
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 二战以来：
: 1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
: 2.积极赔款；
: 3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
: 4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
: 5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
: 6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
: 7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
: 所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
: 韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
| l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 66 这个中国学不了啊，人可以让美国人驻军,中国行吗。人跟法国人装小，中国能跟日本
装小吗。关键是德国那种脑残中国学不来啊， 两次大战，同样输在两线作战。国家领
导人要么自杀，要么被绞死。呵呵，学他何用。还偷笑，丫敢打第三次大战，照样被两
线搞死。
一次
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 我也不知道。不过这个问题非常有意思。德国人赚的钱不买美国国债那都用到哪去了？
| z**l
发帖数: 536 | 67 展开说说
【在 c*******o 的大作中提到】
: if you read news about PIGS, you will know where the money needs go.
| z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 68 学德国人大规模占领美国
现在美国德裔4200万，老中要有这个规模，还担心美国反中？
【在 l*w 的大作中提到】
: 这个中国学不了啊，人可以让美国人驻军,中国行吗。人跟法国人装小，中国能跟日本
: 装小吗。关键是德国那种脑残中国学不来啊， 两次大战，同样输在两线作战。国家领
: 导人要么自杀，要么被绞死。呵呵，学他何用。还偷笑，丫敢打第三次大战，照样被两
: 线搞死。
:
: 一次
| z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 69 德国放债给pigs
然后收回这些国家的各种权力
比如发行国债的权力
德国人已经在经济层面上开始控制欧盟了
将来欧盟毫无疑问是一个德国主导，法国辅导的新欧洲
其它国家都是德国的仆从国，尤其是pigs
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 展开说说
| y**********r
发帖数: 2004 | 70 那英国呢？
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】
: 德国放债给pigs
: 然后收回这些国家的各种权力
: 比如发行国债的权力
: 德国人已经在经济层面上开始控制欧盟了
: 将来欧盟毫无疑问是一个德国主导，法国辅导的新欧洲
: 其它国家都是德国的仆从国，尤其是pigs
| | | z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 71 先南后北，要想经济占领，必然要等这些国家自己出问题
英国按照目前这种模式走下去，用不了多久，英国就会出问题
到时候看是米犹放贷给英国换英国主权还是德国放贷给英国换英国主权了
不过我估计多半会是米犹放贷给英国占领英国
【在 y**********r 的大作中提到】
: 那英国呢？
| l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 72 那有屁用，艾克可是德裔。一句话，德国就是个脑残命。
日本
家领
被两
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】
: 学德国人大规模占领美国
: 现在美国德裔4200万，老中要有这个规模，还担心美国反中？
| z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 73 民主国家，人数说了算
【在 l*w 的大作中提到】
: 那有屁用，艾克可是德裔。一句话，德国就是个脑残命。
:
: 日本
: 家领
: 被两
| l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 74 说了啥算了，最后不是把老德给揍一顿。
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】
: 民主国家，人数说了算
| y**********r
发帖数: 2004 | 75 英国情况没这么糟糕吧？
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】
: 先南后北，要想经济占领，必然要等这些国家自己出问题
: 英国按照目前这种模式走下去，用不了多久，英国就会出问题
: 到时候看是米犹放贷给英国换英国主权还是德国放贷给英国换英国主权了
: 不过我估计多半会是米犹放贷给英国占领英国
| z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 76 那得怪荷兰裔太狡猾了
不过二战初期，美国到底是亲英还是亲德有很大争议
当时美国亲德势力大有人在，林德伯格这个第一次飞跃大西洋的美国人的英雄就是公开
亲纳粹的
【在 l*w 的大作中提到】
: 说了啥算了，最后不是把老德给揍一顿。
| z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 77 没看新闻吧，英国跟着米犹搞金融，现在大规模失业
看这个搞，如果英国搞不下去，后果必然是被米犹控制或者是德国人控制
这次pigs就是英国的前车之鉴
【在 y**********r 的大作中提到】
: 英国情况没这么糟糕吧？
| y**********r
发帖数: 2004 | 78 最近是没看新闻。
不过英国一直跟着美国跑的，最后一定还是美国的。
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】
: 没看新闻吧，英国跟着米犹搞金融，现在大规模失业
: 看这个搞，如果英国搞不下去，后果必然是被米犹控制或者是德国人控制
: 这次pigs就是英国的前车之鉴
| s******6
发帖数: 748 | 79 德国一般吧，和日本比较的话全方位的落后。
不过这两个国家都是比较有主见，稳扎稳打型的。 | d*******i
发帖数: 472 | 80 1）白种人
2）基督教
学得来么？
除非：
把基督教设为国教
鼓励外f
要不然别人始终有戒心
一次
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 二战以来：
: 1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
: 2.积极赔款；
: 3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
: 4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
: 5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
: 6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
: 7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
: 所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
: 韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
| | | D*******y
发帖数: 4252 | 81 统一？德国统一后的面积也比一战后少了四分之一
韬光养晦？被韬光养晦吧，还不是一样被老毛子和老美捏着睾丸
一次
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 二战以来：
: 1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
: 2.积极赔款；
: 3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
: 4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
: 5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
: 6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
: 7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
: 所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
: 韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
| D*******y
发帖数: 4252 | 82 中日联手海军也一点戏都没有
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 中日联手也可以称霸太平洋了。可能吗？
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 83 你就直接说意大利是猪就的了
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 就怕猪一样的队友。纳粹就是被猪坑了，同盟、轴心乃至欧盟都一样。
| d******5
发帖数: 440 | 84 耶稣不是人
哈哈
【在 t*d 的大作中提到】
: 耶稣自己就是一个犹太人。
| w********d
发帖数: 369 | | Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | | h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 87 你看看整个德国的历史，就知道德国军事素养就是一个笑话，还不如毛子。科学技术在
它兴起的近1，2百年还不错，但一小段时间好不等于一直好。
再说这个国家也有上千年历史了，好不容易兴起了一回，还被揍个鼻青脸肿，以后也就
是这样了。
关键是被揍的鼻青脸肿不要紧，中国100年衰的时候也被揍的鼻青脸肿，可是德国丢掉
了道德制高点，纳粹，屠杀这些大帽子可是要一直盖在德国上面了，虽然德国杀的人比
奴隶贸易时候少多了。
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 就是假设啊
: 以德国的科学技术，军事素养，加上毛子的人口，资源和生产能力，那是天下无敌的，
: 也就是美洲远一点，可能打不到，其它地方，完全可以轻松征服。
| a*********0
发帖数: 2727 | 88 "日本更只是一个笑话"...
德国比日本强？工业技术能力德国比日本差多了。别自欺欺人了 | A****0
发帖数: 12393 | 89 互有千秋啊
说实话,德国设计了现代工业大部分蓝图啊
不过墙里开花香在美苏了.
你看看现在的高科技们,哪个不是德国人先插手的.
【在 a*********0 的大作中提到】
: "日本更只是一个笑话"...
: 德国比日本强？工业技术能力德国比日本差多了。别自欺欺人了
| i*****g
发帖数: 11893 | 90 1945年以后，没有德国人了
德国人早已战死完了，剩下的只是会造机器的虫族 | | | c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 91 Is Germany really excellent economically? I have observed it for a couple of
years. Though media worldwide praise Germany's economy, I am not impressed
by its economical data. For example, its GDP growth rate is slower than
Taiwan's and its unemployment rate is pretty high by East Asia's standards.
My opinion is Germany may be good compared with other Eurpopean nations but
not as good as Taiwan's.
一次
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 二战以来：
: 1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
: 2.积极赔款；
: 3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
: 4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
: 5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
: 6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
: 7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
: 所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
: 韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
| s*******n
发帖数: 4605 | 92 德国一是因为人口比较少，威胁不大；二是因为被欧元拖累。要是保留原来的马克，也
许情况还能比现在更好一点。 | b**********g
发帖数: 1268 | 93 昏倒
你怎么不拿台湾跟大陆比，增长率大陆高吧
白读书了
of
impressed
standards.
but
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Is Germany really excellent economically? I have observed it for a couple of
: years. Though media worldwide praise Germany's economy, I am not impressed
: by its economical data. For example, its GDP growth rate is slower than
: Taiwan's and its unemployment rate is pretty high by East Asia's standards.
: My opinion is Germany may be good compared with other Eurpopean nations but
: not as good as Taiwan's.
:
: 一次
| c****g
发帖数: 37081 | 94 TB算个头啊。吹叫兽，可以上导数的。呆湾always wins。
【在 b**********g 的大作中提到】
: 昏倒
: 你怎么不拿台湾跟大陆比，增长率大陆高吧
: 白读书了
:
: of
: impressed
: standards.
: but
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 95 (1) Firstly I do not have much confidence in China's data, any data.
(2) Secondly, in any event Taiwan's GDP growth rate (10.47%) exceeded China'
s (10.3%) for the entire 2010.*
Lin Hui-chun and S.C. Chang, Taiwan's economy growth in 2010 highest since
1987. Central News Agency, Jan 31, 2011.
http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_
Detail.aspx?ID=201101310026&Type=aECO
Admittedly it is a black swan--meaning a rare event--in a decade or more. (I
have serious doubt about China's GDP in mid-1990s when China closed large
swaths of state-owned companies and experienced double-digit inflation (just
1% shy of 1989's ~28%), but still reported higher GDP growth rates than
Taiwan's.)
* Indeed, in terms of GDP growth rate even India overtook China in 2010.
India v China | The X Factor; Which of Asia’s emerging giants grew faster
in 2010? Economist, Apr 20, 2011
http://www.economist.com/node/18586836
("But the IMF’s World Economic Outlook says it’s already happened—without
fuss, fanfare or felicitation. China grew by 10.3% last year; India by 10.4
%.")
【在 b**********g 的大作中提到】
: 昏倒
: 你怎么不拿台湾跟大陆比，增长率大陆高吧
: 白读书了
:
: of
: impressed
: standards.
: but
| p*****p
发帖数: 19331 | 96 德国1，2战时的军事素养比毛子强吧
想当年，毛子都打不过日本，苏联时期能力才强起来
德国能对付整个欧洲，他们的战略战术，部队战斗能力，在欧洲是无敌的。
就是架不住敌人太多，自己资源和生产能力都跟不上，才会输
【在 h*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你看看整个德国的历史，就知道德国军事素养就是一个笑话，还不如毛子。科学技术在
: 它兴起的近1，2百年还不错，但一小段时间好不等于一直好。
: 再说这个国家也有上千年历史了，好不容易兴起了一回，还被揍个鼻青脸肿，以后也就
: 是这样了。
: 关键是被揍的鼻青脸肿不要紧，中国100年衰的时候也被揍的鼻青脸肿，可是德国丢掉
: 了道德制高点，纳粹，屠杀这些大帽子可是要一直盖在德国上面了，虽然德国杀的人比
: 奴隶贸易时候少多了。
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 97 The original posting talks about Germany's strong suit: "5.出口产品附加值高
，大多为机械产品."
That does not bedevil me, either. See my posting titled "Machine Tools" in
Chinanews board and dated July 9, 2011.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/ChinaNews/32389317_0.html
After semiconductor and then liquid crystal display (LCD), machine tools is
the third HIGH-TECH industry in Taiwan that reached the milestone of 兆元產
值 output/revenue (in Taiwanese dollars).
Taiwan is truly "不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调" or in Taiwanese parlance:- "惦惦吃三碗公半." See
有什麼成語和台語的惦惦吃三碗公半一樣意思?? Yahoo, Sept 29, 2006.
http://tw.knowledge.yahoo.com/question
/question?qid=1206092900167 | b**********g
发帖数: 1268 | 98 那你拿台湾跟日本比好了
日本是不是比台湾差太多了
经济增长速度又不能代表某个时点的经济实力和经济质量
当规模到达一定量的时候，不可能永远保持那么高的速度
最简单的道理
China'
(I
just
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: (1) Firstly I do not have much confidence in China's data, any data.
: (2) Secondly, in any event Taiwan's GDP growth rate (10.47%) exceeded China'
: s (10.3%) for the entire 2010.*
: Lin Hui-chun and S.C. Chang, Taiwan's economy growth in 2010 highest since
: 1987. Central News Agency, Jan 31, 2011.
: http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNews_
: Detail.aspx?ID=201101310026&Type=aECO
: Admittedly it is a black swan--meaning a rare event--in a decade or more. (I
: have serious doubt about China's GDP in mid-1990s when China closed large
: swaths of state-owned companies and experienced double-digit inflation (just
| l******a
发帖数: 3803 | 99
没错！德国的单兵素养不是毛子可以比的。
就是二战后期，苏联的士兵伤亡也是3倍于德寇。
德国的问题是，一：人口不足够多。二：没吸收足够的
被占领国家的人口，老看不上人家南欧东欧西欧的人。
三：靠，地理上在欧洲正中央，战还没打，就被包围了。
不过，德国的最近今年还是颇有建树的。
国内劳资和谐，工资下降；欧元区，整个就是德国
给2B国家发工资买德国货。结果那些SB难欧烂国真以为
自己发达了,一觉醒来，都他妈归德国了。
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 德国1，2战时的军事素养比毛子强吧
: 想当年，毛子都打不过日本，苏联时期能力才强起来
: 德国能对付整个欧洲，他们的战略战术，部队战斗能力，在欧洲是无敌的。
: 就是架不住敌人太多，自己资源和生产能力都跟不上，才会输
| z**l
发帖数: 536 | 100 断章取义。读贴要仔细。
【在 a*********0 的大作中提到】
: "日本更只是一个笑话"...
: 德国比日本强？工业技术能力德国比日本差多了。别自欺欺人了
| | | z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 101 神圣罗马帝国的光辉和条顿骑士团的荣耀被你华丽滴无视了
【在 h*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你看看整个德国的历史，就知道德国军事素养就是一个笑话，还不如毛子。科学技术在
: 它兴起的近1，2百年还不错，但一小段时间好不等于一直好。
: 再说这个国家也有上千年历史了，好不容易兴起了一回，还被揍个鼻青脸肿，以后也就
: 是这样了。
: 关键是被揍的鼻青脸肿不要紧，中国100年衰的时候也被揍的鼻青脸肿，可是德国丢掉
: 了道德制高点，纳粹，屠杀这些大帽子可是要一直盖在德国上面了，虽然德国杀的人比
: 奴隶贸易时候少多了。
| c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 102 Sorry, my mistake--for not having kept myself up-to-date.
Machine tools is the fifth, not third, high-tech industry in Taiwan to have
reached 兆元產值.
(1) The third is light-emitting diode (LED). See
Tim Whitaker, PIDA Predicts Rapid Growth for LED Market in Taiwan. LEDs
magazine, Feb 2, 2011
http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/8/2/3
(LED lighting + LED packing + LED epi (wafer & chips) in 2008)
Note:
(a) The "epi" stands for epitaxial (adj) or epitaxy (noun).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitaxy
(b) indium gallium nitride
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indium_gallium_nitride
(InGaN, InxGa1-xN; is a semiconductor material made of a mix of gallium
nitride (GaN) and indium nitride (InN))
Both indium and gallium are in the boron group of periodic table.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table
(2) The fourth is photovoltaics. See
Another Good Year Expected for Taiwan Photovoltaic Industry. Photonics
Industry & Technology Development Association (PIDA), Feb 15, 2011.
http://www.pida.org.tw/edm
/pidapost/201102/110215_web.htm
(兆元產值 also achieved in 2008)
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【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: The original posting talks about Germany's strong suit: "5.出口产品附加值高
: ，大多为机械产品."
: That does not bedevil me, either. See my posting titled "Machine Tools" in
: Chinanews board and dated July 9, 2011.
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/ChinaNews/32389317_0.html
: After semiconductor and then liquid crystal display (LCD), machine tools is
: the third HIGH-TECH industry in Taiwan that reached the milestone of 兆元產
: 值 output/revenue (in Taiwanese dollars).
: Taiwan is truly "不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调" or in Taiwanese parlance:- "惦惦吃三碗公半." See
: 有什麼成語和台語的惦惦吃三碗公半一樣意思?? Yahoo, Sept 29, 2006.
| h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 103 卧室说整个德国历史，二战德国当然非常强
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 德国1，2战时的军事素养比毛子强吧
: 想当年，毛子都打不过日本，苏联时期能力才强起来
: 德国能对付整个欧洲，他们的战略战术，部队战斗能力，在欧洲是无敌的。
: 就是架不住敌人太多，自己资源和生产能力都跟不上，才会输
| h*******e
发帖数: 351 | 104 神圣罗马帝国和条顿骑士团怎么了，是统一欧洲了还是干出什么别的惊天动地的，比如
跟伊斯兰对抗？
估计欧洲自己都不吹这个，但是中国天天吹什么条顿骑士团。
【在 z****e 的大作中提到】
: 神圣罗马帝国的光辉和条顿骑士团的荣耀被你华丽滴无视了
| y****g
发帖数: 36950 | 105
一次
德国是已经从了人家做妾了
【在 z**l 的大作中提到】
: 二战以来：
: 1.主动向犹太人谢罪，甚至不惜下跪；
: 2.积极赔款；
: 3.在中国还在为了统一的伟大事业奋斗的时候，两德早在上个世纪80年代成功统一；
: 4.闷头搞经济，出口多年居世界第一，去年才被中国超过；
: 5.出口产品附加值高，大多为机械产品；
: 6.出口大国外汇储备却不多；
: 7.不在国际上挑事，凡事尽量低调，通常不在舆论的关注范围之内；
: 所以当中国不断被架在火上烤的时候，德国佬一定是在一旁偷笑。老马的故乡人才是玩
: 韬光隐晦的真正高手。对比一下中国连业余选手都算不上，日本更只是一个笑话。下一次
| i*****g
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