s*******2
发帖数: 1182 | |
s*******2
发帖数: 1182 | 2 如何看待这一现象？
积极的一面： 国内蓬勃发展的医疗市场，已经引起国际医疗机构极大的兴趣。尤其
像PHMI(Partners Harvard Medical International)等都在中国积极活动。以前很少听
说有国际top医院愿意在中国挂名并建分院的。如果能成为现实，这将是一个突破。同
时，国外先进的管理经验以及医疗技术的引进，对于中国医疗水平的提高以及医疗市场
垄断的打破，都将起到积极作用。
但是不能太乐观的是： 目前这只是个意向而已，什么时候从空中落地尚不得而知。这
种从理想转化到现实的比例10%都达不到。
这篇报告的另外一个字眼是： 有某基金参与。所以一切的始作俑者其实是这个基金。
它极有可能是国内基金。Whatever, 在这方面，麻省为了规避风险，很有可能和其他美
国大医院一样，在中国只出培训，教育和品牌， 而不出钱。因为大家知道，中国的
市场潜规则太多，一个科长就能搞死一个资产上亿的企业。 外资要想放心大胆地投资
中国医疗市场，那需要有国家背景。比如和睦家所属的中美互利集团，当年进入中国是
因为有着中美两国政府的合作背景。还有前不久英国投巨资买下中国一南方医院，也是
英国首相访华促成的项目。只有和最高政府合作的项目挂上钩，医疗外资才可能在目前
的中国相对安全些。
对CMG的影响：外国医院的进入，加快公立医院垄断的打破，促进国内医疗市场的合理
有序竞争，加速国家医疗体制改革，同时民营医院的生存环境会有所改善，对人才的需求
也将增加。CMG 将有更多机会参与国内的医疗市场活动。 |
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 3 CMG回国服务的可能性极小，除非民主党正式加入共产党，single payer成为现实。所
以不管哈佛还是mayo，没有医生在中国不可能玩的转。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 s*******2 的大作中提到】
: 如何看待这一现象？
: 积极的一面： 国内蓬勃发展的医疗市场，已经引起国际医疗机构极大的兴趣。尤其
: 像PHMI(Partners Harvard Medical International)等都在中国积极活动。以前很少听
: 说有国际top医院愿意在中国挂名并建分院的。如果能成为现实，这将是一个突破。同
: 时，国外先进的管理经验以及医疗技术的引进，对于中国医疗水平的提高以及医疗市场
: 垄断的打破，都将起到积极作用。
: 但是不能太乐观的是： 目前这只是个意向而已，什么时候从空中落地尚不得而知。这
: 种从理想转化到现实的比例10%都达不到。
: 这篇报告的另外一个字眼是： 有某基金参与。所以一切的始作俑者其实是这个基金。
: 它极有可能是国内基金。Whatever, 在这方面，麻省为了规避风险，很有可能和其他美
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发帖数: 1083 | 4 China’s move from socialized medicine fuels debate
Special care for those who can afford it becomes lightning rod for criticism
By Li Yan and Luo Jieqi
BEIJING ( Caixin Online ) — Neither specialized treatment nor medical
specialists are required when a “special-needs” patient checks into a
hospital in China.
But the patient’s private room ought to be especially comfortable. Ideally
it should be equipped with a sofa, tea table and big-screen TV. Nurses
should be extra-attentive. And the best surgeons in town should be available
around the clock.
After all, for Chinese hospitals the expression “special needs” is a
euphemism for “rich.”
And here’s another requirement: Public hospitals that offer services to
special-needs patients should be prepared to defend this increasingly
controversial, yet highly lucrative health-care business against its many
critics.
Opponents of special-needs services think public hospitals should treat
wealthy people no different than the rest of their patients. That was the
rationale behind a 2009 order issued by the State Council, China’s cabinet,
stipulating that “special-needs services must not exceed 10% of the total
services provided by public hospitals” nationwide.
The cabinet’s directive prompted governments in Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen
, Suzhou (a city in the eastern province of Jiangsu), and elsewhere to
impose limits on special-needs medical services.
As a result, services for the rich were eliminated at some public hospitals
and moved to separate facilities that were built inside health-care “
industrial parks.” City governments also encouraged private investors to
finance “special-needs care centers.”
Today, special-needs service providers, including public hospitals, are
still doing a booming business. In Beijing, for example, almost every public
hospital citywide has a special-needs wing. In Guangzhou, hospitals have
been expanding their special-needs treatment facilities.
Political pressure and debates about patient fairness have not discouraged
hospitals from catering to the wealthy for the simple fact that VIP services
make money. A recent survey of Beijing’s top hospitals, for example, found
each has a special-needs wing.
“Hospitals are profiting from special-needs care,” said Zhang Songlun, who
formerly directed the international department at Peking Union Medical
College Hospital. “So they have no motivation to eliminate it.”
No lines
Peking Union was one of the first in the country to build facilities that
cater to the well-off. What’s now called the hospital’s international
department would be labeled a special-needs wing at another medical facility.
Caixin Online
Patients who can afford health care in the international department enjoy
quieter, cleaner and better-equipped facilities than their less fortunate
counterparts on the other side of the hospital. Receptionists are friendly,
and the tea is free for patients seated comfortably in brightly lit waiting
rooms. Moreover, outpatients need not stand in long lines like the common
folk waiting in other parts of the hospital.
Rooms in the international section cost up to 1,500 yuan ($245) a day. The
best ones feature private bathrooms, automatically adjustable beds, sofas,
tea tables, TVs and refrigerators.
“We have independent clinics, emergency rooms and patient rooms,” said an
employee of an international department who asked not to be named. “There’
s no need to wait because all our examination and treatment services can be
booked in advance.”
The international department and an adjacent section for high-level
Communist Party officials have a combined 120 beds. The department handles
some 2,500 patients and 1,000 surgeries annually.
Elsewhere in Beijing, well-to-do patients are well-treated at Fuwai Hospital
. This facility, which has a reputation for excellent cardiovascular care,
has an entire floor of suites dedicated to special-needs patients.
At any one time, Fuwai’s special-needs floor can accommodate no more than
20 patients staying in apartment-like rooms equipped with high-end furniture
and appliances.
“Once you’re checked in, you can enjoy one-stop service,” said a doctor
who works at the Fuwai special-needs facility. “There’s no need to wait
for any of our examinations or treatments. All clinical blood samples,
electrocardiograms and other services can be performed right in the room.”
“We provide 24-hour care services, including surgeries and special
consultations.”
Price advantages
In the early 1990s, a relaxing of hospital service rules by the former
Ministry of Health set the stage for special-needs hospital wings. Health-
care facilities were remodeled and additions built to accommodate rooms for
wealthy patients. Some hospitals even bought and converted old hotels into
special-needs departments.
Since the State Council’s 2009’s directive, however, calls for public
hospitals to focus on the general public’s health-care needs have grown
louder. Critics say special-needs departments represent an improper use of
public funds and encourage unequal patient treatment.
As a result, lately some public hospitals have found it increasingly
difficult to win government permission for plans to expand their special-
needs facilities. |
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a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 6 那个私募基金在炒作罢了。我好不容易回趟国，就呆那么几天，还被拎去谈项目。大忽
悠忽悠小忽悠。。。最后挣钱的是玩钱的那帮人，具体做什么真的不重要。挣血汗钱的
医生还是别把自己卖了替别人数钱了。如果不理解，去看wolf of wall street. 老
broker教小broker：卖股票，长和跌谁能知道，最重要的是把别人口袋里的钱装在自己
口袋里。
【在 D**R 的大作中提到】
: 一个或字就知道又在忽悠了。
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 7 说得不错，但医生不能只挣血汗钱，而是让他人为自己挣钱。我不看好中美之间的
telemedicine就是因为挣这个钱还是血汗钱，而医生作为主人到中国开医院就是另一个
境界了。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 那个私募基金在炒作罢了。我好不容易回趟国，就呆那么几天，还被拎去谈项目。大忽
: 悠忽悠小忽悠。。。最后挣钱的是玩钱的那帮人，具体做什么真的不重要。挣血汗钱的
: 医生还是别把自己卖了替别人数钱了。如果不理解，去看wolf of wall street. 老
: broker教小broker：卖股票，长和跌谁能知道，最重要的是把别人口袋里的钱装在自己
: 口袋里。
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s*******2
发帖数: 1182 | 8 7000华人医生有几个想去中国开医院？ 有几个人开得了医院？华人医生老前辈蔡汉材先
生在中国开的几个医院，现状如何，google 一下就知道。
telemedicne 应该是美国乃至全球未来医疗服务发展的一个方向。
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/12/28/top-health
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 说得不错，但医生不能只挣血汗钱，而是让他人为自己挣钱。我不看好中美之间的
: telemedicine就是因为挣这个钱还是血汗钱，而医生作为主人到中国开医院就是另一个
: 境界了。
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
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s*******2
发帖数: 1182 | 9 只不过是各取所需罢了。
挣血汗钱的
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 那个私募基金在炒作罢了。我好不容易回趟国，就呆那么几天，还被拎去谈项目。大忽
: 悠忽悠小忽悠。。。最后挣钱的是玩钱的那帮人，具体做什么真的不重要。挣血汗钱的
: 医生还是别把自己卖了替别人数钱了。如果不理解，去看wolf of wall street. 老
: broker教小broker：卖股票，长和跌谁能知道，最重要的是把别人口袋里的钱装在自己
: 口袋里。
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s*******2
发帖数: 1182 | 10 合作的成功需要天时地利人和， 你不能把未谈成的合作都归结为忽悠。
【在 D**R 的大作中提到】
: 一个或字就知道又在忽悠了。
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n****r
发帖数: 1568 | 11 是不是珠海新区的那个横琴? 如果是，据说澳门大学会在那里开设澳门大学医学院，麻
总是不是为了这个？ |
w*******7
发帖数: 412 | 12 So how do u guys think about the violence toward medical staff in china ?
And some news? of who call for other developed countries to accept chinese a
docs to help them escape from the violence in china ? |
s*******2
发帖数: 1182 | 13 中国的暴力伤医事件并不是什么新鲜事了，只不过是过去的媒体很少报道而已，现在微
博微信对这些报道没有限制，所以发生了，大家也就都知道了。
随着中国的发展，相信目前恶劣的医疗环境会有所改善。但谁也不知道多久能变好。所
以这个时候就不要身体力行地参与中国医疗市场了。
做些外围的工作，比如远程医疗咨询什么的，还是不错的，lol
a
【在 w*******7 的大作中提到】
: So how do u guys think about the violence toward medical staff in china ?
: And some news? of who call for other developed countries to accept chinese a
: docs to help them escape from the violence in china ?
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w*******7
发帖数: 412 | 14 我的意思是这样的医疗环境，MGH开倒中国不知到什么情景。 |
D**R
发帖数: 371 | 15 我就在做telemedicine; 纸面上看很好，实际操做困难大，盈利遥遥无期
【在 s*******2 的大作中提到】
: 7000华人医生有几个想去中国开医院？ 有几个人开得了医院？华人医生老前辈蔡汉材先
: 生在中国开的几个医院，现状如何，google 一下就知道。
: telemedicne 应该是美国乃至全球未来医疗服务发展的一个方向。
:
: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/12/28/top-health
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s*******2
发帖数: 1182 | 16 nothing is easy. especially for the new service mode.
are you doing global or national service? who is your customer?
【在 D**R 的大作中提到】
: 我就在做telemedicine; 纸面上看很好，实际操做困难大，盈利遥遥无期
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D**R
发帖数: 371 | 17 US-china only
人才资源都有，但是开展起来不顺利。关键还是国内的病人不太买账。国内的病人除了
手术，肿瘤等疾病愿意花钱，其他的都希望用越少的钱做最多的事。
还是A大的建议最好。我们这边的C MG回去参与开办私立医院。
【在 s*******2 的大作中提到】
: nothing is easy. especially for the new service mode.
: are you doing global or national service? who is your customer?
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 18 传统模式肯定不行，看病是一个医生病人建立关系的过程，如果病人信任你，花多少钱
都愿意。 telemedicine很难做到这一点
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 D**R 的大作中提到】
: US-china only
: 人才资源都有，但是开展起来不顺利。关键还是国内的病人不太买账。国内的病人除了
: 手术，肿瘤等疾病愿意花钱，其他的都希望用越少的钱做最多的事。
: 还是A大的建议最好。我们这边的C MG回去参与开办私立医院。
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